GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 6

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't want to belabor the point, but it doesn't make sense that the killer would try to frame SD by decapitating her husband.

It would take significant strength to beheadsomeone if you don't do it in the right area. And a woman born and bred in NJ and CT society who went to Barnard is not someone accustomed to breaking down deer.

There is a big difference between a 70 year old and a 90 year old woman. While it may have happened once or twice that a woman that old killed their husband, it is far from the norm. No amount of explanation will convince me that the killer thought he was framing SD by beheading her husband.

I understand your opinion and highly respect it even though I don't agree.

I agree with Sills and he believes he did this trying to make it look like Shirley was just missing whereabouts unknown. And Sills could never say with 100% certainty that Shirley hadn't done this. If he thought she was too elderly to do something like this then he would have ruled her out and he never did. In fact he said he had to consider that as a possibility because she was only classified as missing at the time. The reporters asked him that question about whether Shirley could be involved. Even they thought it could have been a possibility or they would have never asked the question.

All that is needed is a very sharp instrument........the sharpness of the instrument does the work.

It has happened far way more than once of twice.

IMO

 

[charminglane]

I think the sheriff has Mr. D's head, too.
Monitoring the area where it was found to see if the perp returns.

The ME report would disclose whether there were syringe marks for drugging, GSR, etc.

I had pondered over Mrs. D. having a "friend" that wanted revenge on Mr. D. - her as well.

What if Mr. D. had anger management issues? If the perp made it appear that Mrs. D. beheaded her husband from being fed up and then killed herself from the guilt, I ask myself -who would know about the anger issues? (MY Father is an upstanding citizen/millionaire/ who will be 80 tomorrow, also. No one would ever guess except those closest to him that he is off the charts verbally abusive and has physically abused my Mother for the past 52 years.)

 

[Hickory Born]

Oh gosh I feel I have to keep repeating myself.

I have already said he came on foot up to the backside of their home when they both were outside. He knew their daily habits very well imo. I think this happened in the late evening..maybe dusk dark. He either lured them to his home under false pretenses or he forced them to go at gunpoint. I think he used intimidation on a very elderly couple because he knew it would work.

Then after he murdered them he used his own boat. He had no reason to try to sneak into the front entrance by the guard shack or take the chance of going out by vehicle or coming back in afterwards. IMO, he was already there on the premises when this entire thing started.

IMO

Forgive me. I understand that you think he walked up to their house when they were both outside. Are you saying he walked from his house or from docking his boat at their house? What I am having a REAL HARD time with is Mrs. D walking to his house or even their dock and getting in a boat. I have had joint replacement and walking downhill is much harder than you can imagine.

 

[gngr~snap]

Good point! I was thinking the search of the Dermond house this morning was totally pointless. If LE had turned the property back over to the family, no new evidence today would hold up in court because of contamination of the crime scene (surely the family had the house cleaned when they came for the funeral). It makes sense that it may have been staged to create anxiety in a person of interest.

So, unless LE has a head (so they know what the murder weapon was), then is it safe to assume RD was shot? To know for certain the murder weapons, without a head, LE must have found trace amounts of gunshot residue on RD. They never said he WASNT shot, they just said they found no exit bullets or corresponding blood spatter. But they also said they didn't think he was murdered in the house or garage anyway so perhaps that's why there was no bullet shell/casing etc. LE also stated there was no trauma anywhere else on his body. Again, RD would most likely have bruising on his hands at least (defensively guarding or holding his head) if he died of blunt force trauma. But, nothing. If he was shot, it would also explain the decapitation, as the overriding theory on WS and to Sills is that it was done in an attempt to hide evidence.

I can follow it all up to this point. If this were so well planned out, two people at least to commit the crimes, what idiot makes such a huge blunder in the commission of shooting their victim that, after they kill him and go undetected, they kill his wife, quietly boat FIVE miles out, weigh her down, maybe even tie her underwater to a tree, probably all done in pitch dark, and then all of the sudden realize they shot the wrong gun?!? Whoops! I better run back and 'remove' those bullets that will implicate me! This is the part that trips me up and makes me doubt the whole chain of thought....

What if the home, was bugged when returned to the family and someone's name was spoken by a family member?

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[Foxfire]

* Note the peak dates and forum threads listed on the FBI VICAP Boardreader Trend Graph;

http://boardreader.com/tp/VICAP.html

 

[Nana46]

Well I am here and have been from the beginning. I have not a clue as to who did/would do this. I do not believe it is anyone living in their neighborhood....other than that I am clueless.....and I cannot imagine that Mrs. D. could/would do this. I realize as long as she was missing she could not be ruled out publicly....I suspect the good sheriff knew in all probability she did not do this crime.....but he could not come out and say that. I surely hope this case is solved soon. RIP Mr. and Mrs. D. Gone too soon.

 

[Hickory Born]

Hope all of you have seen this Fox 5 cam during the day. It is at The Marina at Waterfront on Lake Oconee. Now just look what it looks like at night!!!! Man it is dark out there!!!!

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/category/238869/waterfront-on-lake-oconee-netcam#axzz33XeLRyCL

 

[OTPTarheel]

I think the sheriff has Mr. D's head, too.
Monitoring the area where it was found to see if the perp returns.

The ME report would disclose whether there were syringe marks for drugging, GSR, etc.

I had pondered over Mrs. D. having a "friend" that wanted revenge on Mr. D. - her as well.

What if Mr. D. had anger management issues? If the perp made it appear that Mrs. D. beheaded her husband from being fed up and then killed herself from the guilt, I ask myself -who would know about the anger issues? (MY Father is an upstanding citizen/millionaire/ who will be 80 tomorrow, also. No one would ever guess except those closest to him that he is off the charts verbally abusive and has physically abused my Mother for the past 52 years.)

I think they found the head,too. Wasn't there something cryptic on the news a few days ago about evidence "under the dock..."??

And the tox screen will tell a tale. If they were taking prescription meds(is that why Mr. D was at Publix or was he grocery shopping?)...what if the murderer got in the Ds house and replaced them with sedatives and he had no resistance from the Ds, thus no defensive wounds...

And the electronic footprint will tell another tale. Cell tower dump can prove who was in the area. Subpoena.

Off topic-but really near my 'hood- two 20 year olds murdered in a car in Roswell this afternoon. One lived in the neighborhood where it happened. There were witnesses. Where's my gun?

 

[gngr~snap]

JMO but there is a reason the last media interview with Sills was done on a boat facing the home and not at his desk. I think a message was being sent as he was mentioning evidence.

Sorry y'all. I'm feeling icky and if I'm not making sense I apologize.
I should just read along tonight. Feeling very sad for this couple. He should have a cake with 89 lit candles surrounded by all his friends and family. (and maybe a hosepipe handy in case the candles cause a fire ) sigh

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[atthelake]

I think they found the head,too. Wasn't there something cryptic on the news a few days ago about evidence "under the dock..."??

And the tox screen will tell a tale. If they were taking prescription meds(is that why Mr. D was at Publix or was he grocery shopping?)...what if the murderer got in the Ds house and replaced them with sedatives and he had no resistance from the Ds, thus no defensive wounds...

And the electronic footprint will tell another tale. Cell tower dump can prove who was in the area. Subpoena.

Off topic-but really near my 'hood- two 20 year olds murdered in a car in Roswell this afternoon. One lived in the neighborhood where it happened. There were witnesses. Where's my gun?

Well, if you are northern OTP...and in Kennesaw... you better have one...it's the LAW! :seeya:

 

[Carolinapeach]

I think they found the head,too. Wasn't there something cryptic on the news a few days ago about evidence "under the dock..."??

And the tox screen will tell a tale. If they were taking prescription meds(is that why Mr. D was at Publix or was he grocery shopping?)...what if the murderer got in the Ds house and replaced them with sedatives and he had no resistance from the Ds, thus no defensive wounds...

And the electronic footprint will tell another tale. Cell tower dump can prove who was in the area. Subpoena.

Off topic-but really near my 'hood- two 20 year olds murdered in a car in Roswell this afternoon. One lived in the neighborhood where it happened. There were witnesses. Where's my gun?

I saw that earlier today. Stay safe!

 

[Rhyolite]

Could a boat engine decapitate an individual?

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Easily. But why drag the body back to the garage?

That is where all these theories collapse.

 

[Carolinapeach]

JMO but there is a reason the last media interview with Sills was done on a boat facing the home and not at his desk. I think a message was being sent as he was mentioning evidence.

Sorry y'all. I'm feeling icky and if I'm not making sense I apologize.
I should just read along tonight. Feeling very sad for this couple. He should have a cake with 89 lit candles surrounded by all his friends and family. (and maybe a hosepipe handy in case the candles cause a fire ) sigh

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It is very sad.

Your post made perfect sense and I love that you said hosepipe.

 

[OTPTarheel]

Well, if you are northern OTP...and in Kennesaw... you better have one...it's the LAW! :seeya:

It is the LAW!

My late dad gave me my first gun in 1978 and the sheriff, one of his best friends, where I grew up taught me how to shoot! And that gun and how my father came to possess it, well what a story! It was my great-grandfather's gun. Family history!! Family honor!!Family secrets!! Everybody's got them!

I think they went back to the D house to compare insurance photos/video, maybe from a safety deposit box, and police photos from the day Mr. D was found.

 

[atthelake]

Easily. But why drag the body back to the garage?

That is where all these theories collapse.

Dragging a body uphill from the dock to the garage doesn't click with me at all.

Therefore IF IF IF they were both killed in the same location..IMHO....it was uphill nearer the house and not at the dock. They may have taken her down first, then realized too much effort to move his body also and he was left.

Can't get into the mindset as most of y'all as to why two places, so that's my thought.....for just tonight...subject to change.

Also, I looked at the Channel 2 FB that was linked earlier...and think its a SHAME that folks (know some here too...respectfully I disagree with ya) are berating the family for not putting up their own monies for the reward. SMH... this is a criminal investigation for which law enforcement (local and federal now) should :moo: have control of. THANK GAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWD I'm not seeing this family used and abused by Nancy Grace.

 

[Hickory Born]

I think Sills asked Mark Winnie to film yesterday. Did you notice even the filming had the boat looking like the camera was there when they took it out of storage. I think the entire episode was set up by Sills. I don't think that Mark Winnie just happened to be in Eatonton.

 

[Idreamofgenie]

So, how does the perp get away without any blood on him and his clothing? Lives alone? Had a second change of clothes to change into before returning home and discarded the first set? I would think he must have gotten some blood on him at least from the decapitation.

Agree. But maybe he doesn't live alone, nessecarily. Maybe his family was out of town for the weekend.

 

[OTPTarheel]

I think Sills asked Mark Winnie to film yesterday. Did you notice even the filming had the boat looking like the camera was there when they took it out of storage. I think the entire episode was set up by Sills. I don't think that Mark Winnie just happened to be in Eatonton.

I agree.
They go way back.Hadn't Richard Elliott been covering the case for WSB?

 

[1&2&3]

Something is just not adding up here. Sills goes 8 days with no comments. Then we hear he has evidence that has not been mentioned before. This evidence, fingerprints, hair, fiber would have been discovered in the first 24 hours probably. So, the question is, does he really have it or is it a scare tactic to the perp?

This info also comes about the time Sills has sent a letter asking for contributions to a reward fund. It is also announced that two different items were used to kill the Dermonds. Another speculation or the head is found or the object is found with Mr. D's blood on it?

Awwh, maybe the tape from Quantico is back and has given LE more missing pieces, but still not the magical piece to make the arrest.

I admit, I swing back and forth with what Sills tells us! How much of a game is he playing trying to force the perp to make a move?!

 

[atthelake]

I think Sills asked Mark Winnie to film yesterday. Did you notice even the filming had the boat looking like the camera was there when they took it out of storage. I think the entire episode was set up by Sills. I don't think that Mark Winnie just happened to be in Eatonton.

IMHO, Mark is one of the FEW true investigative journalists in the Atlanta area. We have HLN (vinnie/nancy etc) but these days, those 3 mentioned are NOT investigative journalists.