GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 8

[tomkat]

so good to see you tomkat! I agree with mimi too! I feel like scotty beamed me up a long time ago! Excellent post and i agree! How long did it take for honor killings of young muslim women to come to light?? Too damn long! Somebody turn on the lightbulb - we have electricity! The "war" has been brought to our homeland.

true that !!!!!!

 

[Foxfire]

I can't print 80 pages but am curious, what book is this? Ungodly? When I pulled this up, the google search showed 'Militia judge arrest warrant for SS'...?' Where did you find this site? Sorry if I seem to question everything, just my nature, plus it's past my bedtime.

The Nuwaubian Nation: Black Spirituality and State Control - Google Books Result
books.google.com/books?isbn=0754662551
Susan J. Palmer - ‎2010 - 177 pages
They were unlawful militia. ... He then helped them draw up a lien on Sheriff Sills'
property.28 Stout filed a complaint against the Sheriff in ... Stout also issued
arrest warrants for a Superior Court judge, for two deputies, and for York's former
...
http://books.google.com/books?id=5d...udge arrest warrant for sheriff sills&f=false

 

[Jo in Calif]

What if. . . there is no head? What if Mr. Dermond surprised a would-be robber who shot him in the head with a high-powered shotgun? It could have completely you know. . . Just because Sheriff Sills says the head was removed doesn't mean it could not have been removed with a shot gun blast. There that's my crazy balloon that will probably sink like lead.

The killer would have still been there Tue morning, when the neighbors came in and found Mr. D's body, cleaning that up if that is what happened.

 

[Solitaryone]

Really? Do you think he would announce this if he has no definitive proof yet but only suspicion? Just sayin'.............but I'm not at all 100 % convinced of anything, except this statement, LOL

I do think Sheriff Sills would have given the public a warning. How much he would have said, I don't know, but if he thought these murders were motivated by revenge and to cause chaos for the GW/LO communities, he would have a moral obligation to warn the public. If Sheriff Sills thought the NC were responsible for these murders for all the reasons posted here, then he would have to anticipate that there could be more murders and/or targeted violent crimes in the community. No way would he be silent about that. IMO.

I think the NC is a convenient scapegoat. If they were involved, the crimes themselves would be very different. The killer is a GW resident, or someone close to a GW resident. IMO.

 

[tomkat]

But, lakeoconee, not to be difficult or argumentative (although my husband has said I would argue with a fence post), whomever committed the murders has made a statement, have they not? By killing the Dermonds they proved that Reynolds Plantations was not impenetrable. Surely having a pedigree doesn't make one less immune to fear.

I agree with your statement BBM. From what I understand one of the sons lives in Atlanta and Mr. Dermond himself:

http://chronicle.augusta.com/latest-news/2014-05-10/decapitation-mystery-they-didnt-deserve

Could this not be a link to what the NC/York was doing in Atlanta with counterfeiting payroll checks?



http://www.splcenter.org/get-inform...s/2002/fall/savior-in-a-strange-land?page=0,2

5 million dollars is not chump change. The Dermonds certainly could have been "vaguely familiar" with some Nuwaubians. Maybe we can agree to disagree?

Yeah, kind of close for comfort there BS.............AND I recently read 35, 35! wendy's franchises owned by D's

IS THAT RIGHT? If so, um, well, that man aint naive, and he aint no damned softy and he ran across a LOTTTT OF people, all kinds, probalby pissed of MANY and probably TURNED DOWN a lot of um.....offers.........I mean who knows what someone of that caliber has done, will do, won't do, capable of, incapable of, sees and hears! Even if not 35, does anyone have the info on all the franchises?

 

[Jo in Calif]

Is there a Nuwaubian thread here at WS? If not maybe one could be started and some of these things moved to it.

 

[tomkat]

The killer would have still been there Tue morning, when the neighbors came in and found Mr. D's body, cleaning that up if that is what happened.

well, IDK, how many crime scenes?

 

[tomkat]

Is there a Nuwaubian thread here at WS? If not maybe one could be started and some of these things moved to it.

:scared:

 

[tomkat]

I do think Sheriff Sills would have given the public a warning. How much he would have said, I don't know, but if he thought these murders were motivated by revenge and to cause chaos for the GW/LO communities, he would have a moral obligation to warn the public. If Sheriff Sills thought the NC were responsible for these murders for all the reasons posted here, then he would have to anticipate that there could be more murders and/or targeted violent crimes in the community. No way would he be silent about that. IMO.

I think the NC is a convenient scapegoat. If they were involved, the crimes themselves would be very different. The killer is a GW resident, or someone close to a GW resident. IMO.

Not sure he buys it or is even thinking such, but I think he did put out a warning of sorts to lock doors etc

Does he think the community is safe NOW, whether NC or psycho neighbor??! I mean wouldn't you think there should have been a warning regardless?


I"m not sure how different, this crime IS quite different.

 

[Advocate1]

This ongoing discussion about not having the GBI involved has been hashed daily. Having the FBI working on the case brings the latest and best technology as well as the top experts in all fields of crime.

I agree that this case is bigger than SS. He did the right thing by calling the FBI at the very beginning. And yes, I am aware that kidnapping involves the FBI. This case is so horrific the fact that the FBI has been on it from the start, and there are still no leads, is sad. But the GBI could not have done anymore or could not add anything different at this point.

How many families would have loved for the FBI to have been involved in their loved ones case?

My opinions only!

It's like you took the thoughts right out of my head.
And for the record GBI HAS been involved.
Their labs and profilers have been utilized in this case.
I think this is a mute topic and FBI is lead on this case and has even from the start. Sheriff Sills is playing be their rules IMO.

 

[Rhyolite]

Foxfire or anyone....a beheading on the anniversary of bin Laden's death, his body disposed of at sea, SD "buried" in a lake. Is this the type of "statement crime" that the NewWabs would do? Don't know any of the interweavings of their religion with the radical Islams. Just searching.

Interesting coincidences. But if it were retribution for OBL, it would be someone a much higher profile unless somebody is sending messages further up the line to NSA or CIA that they have a list of names and those folks will be picked off. Then again, why would RD be on THAT list?

While we are at it and talking about Muslims and Cults and such, try googling "kiryas joel" and tell me we don't have wackadoodles of all types right here in the USA.

 

[Advocate1]

Cult leader duped politicians
Book on "Malachi" York and his crimes against children details what prosecutor calls his "most significant" case
http://www.nuwaubianfacts.com/2007Jul27.htm
Daily Report online July 27, 2007


<snipped - read more - BBM for Focus>

Former GA Governor Roy Barnes declined an interview with the Daily Report about Osinski's book; Ungodly, referring all questions to his former top aide, Bobby Kahn.

In an interview this week, Kahn said that Barnes had been in office less than three months when he first learned of trouble brewing between the Putnam County sheriff and the Nuwaubians.

Kahn confirmed that the Georgia governor was "taking his cues" about York and the Nuwaubians from (state rep & NC Defense Attn)Tyrone Brooks, and from the GBI, which "was concerned we would have another Waco."

Kahn also said that the Putnam County sheriff didn't apprise Barnes of the child molestation allegations and that the governor was made aware only that a potentially violent confrontation was brewing over local code enforcement.

"Our approach to this wasn't who's right and who's wrong, and whose fault it is," Kahn said. "Our concern was how do we avoid a blow-up?"

"Osinski has determined that Sheriff Sills was a hero," said Kahn. "Anything that gets in the way of that, he basically ignores. … If he [Sills] were a hero, he would have told us and would have told the GBI he suspected there was child molestation going on."

But Sills did try, unsuccessfully, to talk to Governor Barnes directly about the Nuwaubians, according to Osinski.

"He wanted to go to Barnes personally and directly. He didn't want to go through the GBI," the journalist said in an interview. But Sills feared that the GBI "might have been compromised" and might leak information about the investigation to York, Osinski explained, because the sheriff was aware that GBI agents had gone to Tama-Re to go fishing. "He simply did not want the GBI to know what the real investigation was."

What exactly is your point? Not to be rude but are you questioning the judgment of Sheriff Sills regarding his belief that it was not in the best interest if his investigation to involved GBI? He stated clearly enough why he didn't trust the GBI. Do you know how much crap he likely took from publicly stating that kind of position against the GBI being involved in an investigation? I'm not seeing how that position benefited Sheriff Sills at all publicly or politically. Id rather stand behind one man with good principles then enable an army of men with unknown ones.

 

[Backwoods]

Thank you so much JustyThoughts. Yes this is exactly what I was referring too. A big Thank you to CarolinaPeach, tomcat and Foxfire and other posters who mentioned the Rock Eagle. Fascinating!

:yourock:

We have mounds built by Native Americans in our neck of the woods too. I find it all very fascinating. No rock formations such as the Rock Eagle, but mounds. If anyone is interested here is a link to more information.

http://www.texasescapes.com/DanaGoolsby/Caddo-Mounds-State-Historic-Site.htm

http://www.visitcaddomounds.com/index.aspx?page=2

Bootsctr, we have a fine example of mounds in middle Georgia, too -- in Macon:

Ocmulgee National Monument - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Backwoods]

I am not suggesting that the Atlanta gang described in the article linked below is involved in the Dermond murders, but it describes a case that has been pretty big news in the middle Georgia area over the past few days.

What makes it interesting to me in relation to the Dermond case, though, is not the shooting for which the recent charges were filed (see first paragraphs), but for the earlier kidnapping referenced in later "background" paragraphs (which I've bolded in the quotes).

Good example to show that terrible revenge is sometimes sought AND that yes, sometimes perps mistake identities and/or locations. (And sometimes the internet is involved in making those "mistakes".):

Suspected gang members accused of Warner Robins killing

WARNER ROBINS &#8212; Four suspected gang members from Atlanta are charged in connection with the killing of a Macon man as he pumped gas at a Booth Road station....


...The four affiliate themselves with the One Eight Trey gang, which police say is not a Warner Robins gang....


...Gooden and Roberts were among nine people indicted in the unrelated April 5 kidnapping of a North Carolina man whose daughter prosecuted a high-ranking Bloods gang member for ordering the killing of another man in 2011.

Gooden and Roberts were charged with conspiracy to kidnap Frank Janssen from his Wake Forest home and take him to Atlanta. Janssen was rescued shortly before midnight April 9 when the FBI stormed the Atlanta apartment where he was being held.

...The April 22 federal indictment includes not only chilling details of the abduction but also that the kidnapping of Janssen was by mistake. The intended target was actually his daughter, Colleen Janssen, the Wake County, N.C., assistant district attorney who prosecuted Melton. Her father was abducted after the kidnappers went to the wrong address by mistake after searching for the prosecutor&#8217;s address on the Internet, according to the indictment.

Melton is accused of organizing and orchestrating the kidnapping team, which included Gooden and Roberts, while incarcerated....

Gooden and Roberts are being held at undisclosed locations in connection to the kidnapping, with authorities declining to release their mug shots, said FBI spokesman Stephen Emmett....

read more at: http://www.macon.com/2014/06/30/317...arner-robins-killing.html?sp=/99/148/198/210/

 

[Bootsctr]

Bootsctr, we have a fine example of mounds in middle Georgia, too -- in Macon:

Ocmulgee National Monument - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Beautiful! 17,000 years of living. Hard to fathom. The link that Justy Thoughts provided yesterday also had lots of pictures and information that I am still reading. I appreciate your link too.

the site has evidence of 17,000 years of human habitation. The Macon plateau was inhabited during the Paleoindian, Archaic, and Woodland phases.

 

[Bootsctr]

I am not suggesting that the Atlanta gang described in the article linked below is involved in the Dermond murders, but it describes a case that has been pretty big news in the middle Georgia area over the past few days.

What makes it interesting to me in relation to the Dermond case, though, is not the shooting for which the recent charges were filed (see first paragraphs), but for the earlier kidnapping referenced in later "background" paragraphs (which I've bolded in the quotes).

Good example to show that terrible revenge is sometimes sought AND that yes, sometimes perps mistake identities and/or locations. (And sometimes the internet is involved in making those "mistakes".):

read more at: http://www.macon.com/2014/06/30/317...arner-robins-killing.html?sp=/99/148/198/210/

Good heavens! Thanks for posting BW! Mistaken identity :notgood:

 

[Bootsctr]

Yeah, kind of close for comfort there BS.............AND I recently read 35, 35! wendy's franchises owned by D's

IS THAT RIGHT? If so, um, well, that man aint naive, and he aint no damned softy and he ran across a LOTTTT OF people, all kinds, probalby pissed of MANY and probably TURNED DOWN a lot of um.....offers.........I mean who knows what someone of that caliber has done, will do, won't do, capable of, incapable of, sees and hears! Even if not 35, does anyone have the info on all the franchises?

I read early on a comment from an article regarding the Dermonds and their francise business "that if you are in business and you're successful you will have enemies." I agree.

 

[DAMIFINO]

Beautiful! 17,000 years of living. Hard to fathom. The link that Justy Thoughts provided yesterday also had lots of pictures and information that I am still reading. I appreciate your link too.

O/T but it was just announced that Ocmulgee National Monument may become Georgia's first National Park. The site will be greatly expanded to save more of this sacred place.

 

[southernmimi]

Seems to me...Mr. Dermond royally ticked someone off...recently. I love reading all the theories and the complicated plots...but I still think this was a local person. I don't agree that there was retribution for something that happened years ago...why would anyone wait for someone to almost reach 90 before they came after them? I think Mr. D was probably a businessman who could be a little abrasive in some of his dealings. An ex-military man who owned so many franchises wouldn't have time for a lot of foolishness from anyone. IMO, he made someone in his area very angry, and they came.

 

[OTPTarheel]

Seems to me...Mr. Dermond royally ticked someone off...recently. I love reading all the theories and the complicated plots...but I still think this was a local person. I don't agree that there was retribution for something that happened years ago...why would anyone wait for someone to almost reach 90 before they came after them? I think Mr. D was probably a businessman who could be a little abrasive in some of his dealings. An ex-military man who owned so many franchises wouldn't have time for a lot of foolishness from anyone. IMO, he made someone in his area very angry, and they came.

http://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-events/10-biggest-cases-of-revenge.htm

Revenge. Vendetta.

I've been reading about revenge. 10 big cases and I am sure they are many more....Pretty interesting stuff IMO. Especially the WW2 stuff. "A dish best served cold...revenge."