GA - Twin brothers miss flight to Boston, found dead 24 hours later in Georgia mountains, 14 Mar 2025

[caradana]

… I can't help but overanalyze the conversation above and wonder what Naazir and Qaadir knew about anxiety and fears. …

Of course they did.
Cannot imagine the grief of the mother, the immediate and extended families.
There is nothing shady. It’s a tremendously sad story, a loss to us all societally.

 

[teeby]

I'm kind of imagining that one of them was suicidal and the other was trying to talk him out of it and the suicidal one pulled out the gun and shot himself and the other one felt responsible for not being able to stop him and so he killed himself too. That's the only way I can make sense of twins killing themselves together.

Honestly though, it did always stand out to me a little bit that the family kept saying "They wouldn't do something like that", "They were planning to start a company", "They weren't suicidal", "They had a support system" and not that they had no mental health problems.

 

[iamshadow21]

I'm kind of imagining that one of them was suicidal and the other was trying to talk him out of it and the suicidal one pulled out the gun and shot himself and the other one felt responsible for not being able to stop him and so he killed himself too. That's the only way I can make sense of twins killing themselves together.

Honestly though, it did always stand out to me a little bit that the family kept saying "They wouldn't do something like that", "They were planning to start a company", "They weren't suicidal", "They had a support system" and not that they had no mental health problems.

This isn't a unicorn event, less than six months ago, a pair of identical triplets drowned themselves in a freezing Scottish river.

A cursory google yields many other twins who have committed suicide together.

Why is it hard for people to believe? Genuinely asking, because some people seem to be struggling to understand.

The mortality rate for a survivor if one twin commits suicide is ridiculously high. Why does it seem so strange that they wouldn't want to live without each other? I'm not romaticising it, I'm just considering the level of enmeshment present in close twin relationships.

MOO

 

[Cedars]

I don't think it's just happenstance they were at the top of that mountain with an amazing view, right around dawn. That it was no different than being in their bedroom, or whatever.



IMO that was a deliberate decision, they went to a lot of trouble to put themselves there, it required energy and effort, and would normally be an exciting thing to do. I think it had some kind of symbolism for them. In the old days, it would have been called romantic, as in the poets Shelley and Keats (who died young).

As they say: a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

 

[Bahshudc]

I guess I have a small bit of insight as I'm best friends with two identical twins. When something bad happens, they have a pretty dark sense of humour - I remember when we were about 16 they made a joke about this kind of thing, like "Oh if mom finds out we're both going to...". They were always jokes but I also saw them in dark places a lot throughout their lives, and that bond is absolutely inseparable. I think if both twins go through something, it can become a bit of an echo chamber, and it's not possible for them to imagine one of them living without the other. I think that's what happened here, even though I was hesitant about the initial M/S ruling. MOO.

 

[Muddy K]

This isn't a unicorn event, less than six months ago, a pair of identical triplets drowned themselves in a freezing Scottish river.

A cursory google yields many other twins who have committed suicide together.

Why is it hard for people to believe? Genuinely asking, because some people seem to be struggling to understand.

The mortality rate for a survivor if one twin commits suicide is ridiculously high. Why does it seem so strange that they wouldn't want to live without each other? I'm not romaticising it, I'm just considering the level of enmeshment present in close twin relationships.

MOO

Bolding by me.

I understand what you are saying. I'm one of the people struggling to understand because I have no place to lay down my empathy, light a candle for these brothers and move on.

Something about the ordinariness of stopping for snacks during a long drive, something about 90 miles of driving toward a destination you had to map, something about being together in the car, apparently having decided that this would be your final destination... I can't imagine their resolve because I don't know what went wrong for them, don't know why they wanted to leave.

It's so hard for me to accept that no other option occurred to them during that final journey. I just find it really, really sad.

 

[New Penny]

Bolding by me.

I understand what you are saying. I'm one of the people struggling to understand because I have no place to lay down my empathy, light a candle for these brothers and move on.

Something about the ordinariness of stopping for snacks during a long drive, something about 90 miles of driving toward a destination you had to map, something about being together in the car, apparently having decided that this would be your final destination... I can't imagine their resolve because I don't know what went wrong for them, don't know why they wanted to leave.

It's so hard for me to accept that no other option occurred to them during that final journey. I just find it really, really sad.

I am with you here. Were they somber? Happy? Listening to their favorite music one last time? What was their conversation like?

And then to be the one brother witnessing, and then doing the same thing to himself. I am just heartbroken.

 

[Bahshudc]

I am with you here. Were they somber? Happy? Listening to their favorite music one last time? What was their conversation like?

And then to be the one brother witnessing, and then doing the same thing to himself. I am just heartbroken.

It's utterly haunting to know that there were at least a few seconds where one of the twins was completely on his own. It's a tragedy.

 

[Angelcat13]

Every generation in the US has faced challenges. Worldviews are largely shaped by the family of origin. What you say is true, I’m not diminishing that.

But it sounds like a very hopeless point of view. There is beauty and goodness in everything around us; what you choose to see shapes your worldview.

That is so incredibly sad. It is very hard to be a young adult in the USA right now. The world is in chaos, climate change looms on the horizon, they don't see any way to achieve the American dream of raising kids and owning a home, and lots of them are struggling.

I agree with both of these comments. I think as we get older we are more likely to be able to look at history and see that there has always been happiness, sadness, tragedy, etc and that life goes on for years, decades and centuries. But when you are young - and especially if you are in pain - you tend to only be able to see what you are feeling and going through in that moment.

I think there are so many factors that contribute to the sense of sadness and despair in some of our young people and I don't think there is any quick fix or any one thing that will make it all better. I can only say that, at least for me and how I try to raise my kids, is a strong sense of family, an involved family (immediate and extended), a belief in faith/spirituality (it doesn't have to be a formal religion), a sense of community, kindness towards others (people and animals), that life can be hard and isn't always fair, life isn't always how it appears on TV and social media, etc.

I don't agree that we should always make our kids feel like winners, that everyone is equal or fair, etc. If we expect our kids to succeed (and I don't necessarily mean be successful as in a job, money, etc) we have to let them fail so we can help them learn how to pick up the pieces and move on. We have to let them feel sad, that they lost, that they did something wrong, etc AND we have to help them understand and cope with those feelings and help them figure out how to make changes so they can get past it. When we keep them hurting, failing, etc and/or if we fix everything for them they will never learn that although life might really suck right now there are things we can do and people we can reach out to to help make things better.

I am NOT in any way saying that these boys did not come from this type of background and I am not blaming anyone who has considered/committed suicide. Rather I am trying to say - and maybe not doing the best job of it - that there are sooooo many things that factor into this. I am so sad for these boys and their families and I just hope that they can find strength and comfort in each other and in knowing that so many people have been really touched and saddened by their deaths.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I can only say that, at least for me and how I try to raise my kids, is a strong sense of family, an involved family (immediate and extended), a belief in faith/spirituality (it doesn't have to be a formal religion), a sense of community, kindness towards others (people and animals), that life can be hard and isn't always fair, life isn't always how it appears on TV and social media, etc.

I think that.most.parents try to raise their children as you're describing, yet many young people are still severely struggling. And to simplify it a lot, what a family does isn't necessarily enough, when our entire culture is the way it is, IMO.

 

[shetalksinstereo]

I am with you here. Were they somber? Happy? Listening to their favorite music one last time? What was their conversation like?

And then to be the one brother witnessing, and then doing the same thing to himself. I am just heartbroken.

It does make you wonder if the "surviving" brother had preplanned to die by suicide or if it was a result of his brother's suicide? I live in a small town of 20k-ish people, and over the 3 year period, 3 of my high school classmates (we had all graduated by this time) had a parent who died by suicide. One male, and two females - all in their late 40s-early 50s. Totally unrelated. But all affluent people - the male was a well known businessman/developer, one female was a psychiatrist and the other female was a nurse/married to a prominent lawyer. It was 1990, 1991 and 1992.

It was pretty shocking in our town as these were all very well known people. You just never know what someone is going through.

 

[Miss Poovy]

Who or what entity did he receive the ammo from?

Does a customer have to be a certain age to buy firearms or ammunition from a licensee? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Yes. Under the Gun Control Act (GCA), shotguns and rifles, and ammunition for shotguns or rifles may be sold only to individuals 18 years of age or older. All firearms other than shotguns and rifles, and all ammunition other than ammunition for shotguns or rifles may be sold only to individuals...

www.atf.gov

 

[Miss Poovy]

Who or what entity did he receive the ammo from?

Does a customer have to be a certain age to buy firearms or ammunition from a licensee? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Yes. Under the Gun Control Act (GCA), shotguns and rifles, and ammunition for shotguns or rifles may be sold only to individuals 18 years of age or older. All firearms other than shotguns and rifles, and all ammunition other than ammunition for shotguns or rifles may be sold only to individuals...

www.atf.gov

From what I’ve read you can’t ship ammunition via USPS or Amazon. Shipments may be made from UPS & FedEx will ship under dangerous goods, special bill filled out & must have special hazardous material on outside of package.

https://www.ups.com/us/en/support/shipping-support/shipping-special-care-regulated-items/hazardous-materials-guide/how-to-ship-ammunition

 

[fsngruv]

From what I’ve read you can’t ship ammunition via USPS or Amazon. Shipments may be made from UPS & FedEx will ship under dangerous goods, special bill filled out & must have special hazardous material on outside of package.

https://www.ups.com/us/en/support/shipping-support/shipping-special-care-regulated-items/hazardous-materials-guide/how-to-ship-ammunition

To add on to your informative post..

https://www.ups.com/us/en/support/shipping-support/shipping-special-care-regulated-items/hazardous-materials-guide/how-to-ship-ammunition#:~:text=Labeling%20Requirements%20for%20Ammunition,by%204%20in.)

Attaching hazardous small ammunition symbol for shipping. It might be easy to miss if one is unfamiliar. Though, this is nothing like the hazardous battery icon and isn't nearly as descriptive...

 

[teeby]

This isn't a unicorn event, less than six months ago, a pair of identical triplets drowned themselves in a freezing Scottish river.

A cursory google yields many other twins who have committed suicide together.

Why is it hard for people to believe? Genuinely asking, because some people seem to be struggling to understand.

The mortality rate for a survivor if one twin commits suicide is ridiculously high. Why does it seem so strange that they wouldn't want to live without each other? I'm not romaticising it, I'm just considering the level of enmeshment present in close twin relationships.

MOO

I *am* a twin and that's exactly why I find it so hard to understand. It's not the part where you kill yourself rather than live without the other that I can't wrap my head around. That part makes perfect sense to me, tbh. It's the part where you don't try to help your twin stay alive that I don't understand.

 

[Miss Poovy]

To add on to your informative post..

https://www.ups.com/us/en/support/shipping-support/shipping-special-care-regulated-items/hazardous-materials-guide/how-to-ship-ammunition#:~:text=Labeling%20Requirements%20for%20Ammunition,by%204%20in.)

Attaching hazardous small ammunition symbol for shipping. It might be easy to miss if one is unfamiliar. Though, this is nothing like the hazardous battery icon and isn't nearly as descriptive...

My point was there are certain requirements to purchase bullets for handguns & there’s paperwork etc. Granted everyone wouldn’t be familiar with symbol on package, but lithium batteries may be dangerous when shipped. The way I read the information, one had to be 21 years old to have handgame ammo shipp

 

[Knox]

It appears Georgia is one of the more lax states in the US. If I understand correctly federal law allows shipped ammunition purchases only for shotguns and rifles if you are eighteen. For handgun ammunition you have to be twenty-one. So maybe that’s a clue as to what type of firearm was used?

Hopefully someone with more knowledge can chime in to correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[Miss Poovy]

Exactly

It appears Georgia is one of the more lax states in the US. If I understand correctly federal law allows shipped ammunition purchases only for shotguns and rifles if you are eighteen. For handgun ammunition you have to be twenty-one. So maybe that’s a clue as to what type of firearm was used?

Hopefully someone with more knowledge can chime in to correct me if I’m wrong.

Exactly, or “mailed” from an entity that didn’t follow the rules.

 

[fsngruv]

My point was there are certain requirements to purchase bullets for handguns & there’s paperwork etc. Granted everyone wouldn’t be familiar with symbol on package, but lithium batteries may be dangerous when shipped. The way I read the information, one had to be 21 years old to have handgame ammo shipp

Can you provide the requirements you listed?

I found a section in Georgia code...

2024 CODE OF GEORGIA :: Title 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES (§§ 16-1-1 — 16-17-10) :: Chapter 11 - OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND SAFETY (§§ 16-11-1 — 16-11-224) :: Article 4 - DANGEROUS INSTRUMENTALITIES AND PRACTICES (§§ 16-11-100 — 16-11-174) :: Par

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"(1) Except as provided in subsection (c) of this Code section, no county or municipal corporation, by zoning, by ordinance or resolution, or by any other means, nor any agency, board, department, commission, political subdivision, school district, or authority of this state, other than the General Assembly, by rule or regulation or by any other means shall regulate in any manner:
(A) Gun shows;
(B) The possession, ownership, transport, carrying, transfer, sale, purchase, licensing, or registration of firearms or other weapons or components of firearms or other weapons;
(C) Firearms dealers or dealers of other weapons; or
(D) Dealers in components of firearms or other weapons."
Does that mean there are requirements and regulations or not?
Could you please provide the source of the requirements you speak of?

 

[Miss Poovy]

I’m not sure

Can you provide the requirements you listed?

I found a section in Georgia code...

2024 CODE OF GEORGIA :: Title 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES (§§ 16-1-1 — 16-17-10) :: Chapter 11 - OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND SAFETY (§§ 16-11-1 — 16-11-224) :: Article 4 - DANGEROUS INSTRUMENTALITIES AND PRACTICES (§§ 16-11-100 — 16-11-174) :: Par

Justia Free Databases of U.S. Laws, Codes & Statutes

law.justia.com

"(1) Except as provided in subsection (c) of this Code section, no county or municipal corporation, by zoning, by ordinance or resolution, or by any other means, nor any agency, board, department, commission, political subdivision, school district, or authority of this state, other than the General Assembly, by rule or regulation or by any other means shall regulate in any manner:
(A) Gun shows;
(B) The possession, ownership, transport, carrying, transfer, sale, purchase, licensing, or registration of firearms or other weapons or components of firearms or other weapons;
(C) Firearms dealers or dealers of other weapons; or
(D) Dealers in components of firearms or other weapons."
Does that mean there are requirements and regulations or not?
Could you please provide the source of the requirements you speak of?

I’m not sure I understand your question. The GBI said the ammo was mailed to Naazir. I was looking at the guidelines for shipping/mailing ammo for the most common carriers. Per ATF information, you must be twenty-one years old to purchase ammo for a handgun.