GA v Hannah Payne - HP allegedly murdering a man involved in a hit-and-run in 2019 *GUILTY*

[asmi106082]

not that it matters at all at this point,but would love to know why Mr Herring left the scene of that accident. Were they ever able to determine whether he was hypo or hyperglycemic at the time?

Yes and he was drug tested and had nothing in his system. His symptoms were typical of a diabetic episode.

MOO

 

[Facinatingtimes]

I just caught up on this case. I agree with the guilty verdict. Things that bother me on this one:

She was already carrying a gun at 21. I understand the concern about being alone with strangers on her job. Then carry the gun in those situations, not when confronting someone who has done nothing to you and you think is drunk! Personally, I would not have trusted my 21 year old self with carrying a gun. But I’m old and the world has changed…

I get the feeling she was so mad that he was “drunk”. Not sure why - I mean drinking and driving is not good, but I still wouldn’t chase someone down if I suspected it. Follow at a distance, call 911 and give them location and plate info, yes. Confront them, uh no.

And he wasn’t drunk! Someone mentioned this up thread and it’s so true - she is self absorbed (and young) and doesn’t open her mind to other possibilities. For her own sake, or others. After all, she was trying to be a Good Samaritan, right?

I still want to watch the testimony of the correctional officer and her interview with LE, so still more catching up to do…

 

[twall]

Saw a question upthread about the make up of the jury. At 9:30 in video of VP's Closing Arguments CourtTV program tonight Chanley Painter states 8 men, 4 women, 11 African-American, 1 Caucasian.

After the Verdict: Car Crash Vigilante Trial

Analyzing the verdict handed down for Hannah Payne after a quick deliberation in the Car Crash Vigilante Trial.

www.courttv.com

 

[aafromaa]

I keep thinking of Mr Herring’s thoughts that day in the midst of what appears to be a medical emergency what must have seemed to him to be some crazy woman blocks him in and then approaches his vehicle yelling for him to get out of the car and then produces a gun. What a scary thing to have happen even if not in the fog of a medical emergency. He must have been both terrified and terribly confused.

May he rest in peace and may his family find some solace that his killer has been convicted.

 

[RickshawFan]

I don’t understand this. How can a seemingly normal person just snap like that and kill somebody over a traffic infraction. I just can’t ever imagine doing this. Assuming those were her parents behind her. Looking devastated as well.

Seems like jurors are rendering their verdicts pretty quickly these days.

A traffic infraction she had nothing to do with, just a passerby, no less.

 

[RickshawFan]

In her interrogation, she said her gun had a release in the handle, not just the trigger. So, she had already released it to shoot with the palm of her hand. So, the trigger was the second step, not the first.

I've never heard of a gun like that....

Does anyone know the sentencing options? The 8 counts amount to more than LWP, yes?

Deliberation: 1 hour, 29 minutes (this presumably includes re-watching video and testimony)

 

[RickshawFan]

The judge has the most beautiful judge gown! The velvet, those special pleats on the shoulder, cuffs. I've never seen a court judge with such a unique black garb, and so particular to the judge. Loved her handling of the case.

 

[HanniBJeter]

And she only had the gun for a few weeks! What a stupid girl

 

[Ladyotm]

Yes and he was drug tested and had nothing in his system. His symptoms were typical of a diabetic episode.

MOO

I didn't realize that he had actually waited 20 minutes at the scene before leaving.

 

[Ladyotm]

I just caught up on this case. I agree with the guilty verdict. Things that bother me on this one:

She was already carrying a gun at 21. I understand the concern about being alone with strangers on her job. Then carry the gun in those situations, not when confronting someone who has done nothing to you and you think is drunk! Personally, I would not have trusted my 21 year old self with carrying a gun. But I’m old and the world has changed…

I get the feeling she was so mad that he was “drunk”. Not sure why - I mean drinking and driving is not good, but I still wouldn’t chase someone down if I suspected it. Follow at a distance, call 911 and give them location and plate info, yes. Confront them, uh no.

And he wasn’t drunk! Someone mentioned this up thread and it’s so true - she is self absorbed (and young) and doesn’t open her mind to other possibilities. For her own sake, or others. After all, she was trying to be a Good Samaritan, right?

I still want to watch the testimony of the correctional officer and her interview with LE, so still more catching up to do…

I was overjoyed that she was found guilty. Then, I watched the verdict reading. And I saw her entire life wasted. I saw her mother wanting to reach out to her baby, knowing that this is possibly one of the last chances she will be this close to her without a wall or window between them.Her father sat in the courtroom alone, until an officer encouraged him to leave, once the courtroom was practically empty. I feel empathy for her family.

Cameras were not focused on Mr. Hering's family. How profound their loss must be and their hearts broken. My heart feels relief that a measure of justice has been served, but still hurts because it was so unfair what happened to him. I could not imagine watching him being attacked and then slowly dying in his truck. You could hear his labored breathing. I hope this holiday season can be one of hope and healing for them.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Thank you to those of you who did the updates on this trial and made it so much easier to follow for those of us who couldn't watch it live.

IMO the jury got it right! That was quick . I hope the families can all heal from this senseless tragedy, and may Mr. Herring RIH.

 

[RickshawFan]

@cathyrusson

Defendant #HannahPayne testifies that as Kenneth Herring had a hold of her shirt and neck, he revved the gas, she said she thought she was going to be dragged. She grabbed her gun out of the holster on her right hip and Payne says Herring grabbed her wrist.

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Defendant #HannahPayne has taken the stand in her own defense. Under direct exam she says that Kenneth Herring grabbed her shirt, ripping it, through the driver's side window. Her attorney holds up the shirt.

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3:14 PM · Dec 11, 2023

I think those were her own scratches. She removed the nails while no one was in the room during her interrogation. I’ll bet her skin cells were on them.

 

[RickshawFan]

I’m trying to visualize the poor man dragging her into his truck with one hand and holding her there, yet somehow having another hand free to reach out and grab her other hand with the gun — through the window?? I can’t wait for cross. She’ll be toast.

While revving the engine lol.

 

[RickshawFan]

Saw a question upthread about the make up of the jury. At 9:30 in video of VP's Closing Arguments CourtTV program tonight Chanley Painter states 8 men, 4 women, 11 African-American, 1 Caucasian.

After the Verdict: Car Crash Vigilante Trial

Analyzing the verdict handed down for Hannah Payne after a quick deliberation in the Car Crash Vigilante Trial.

www.courttv.com

Jury of his peers. I like that!

 

[neesaki]

At about the 6:14:18 mark, verdict is read. Verdict: Hannah Payne found guilty on all eight counts.

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I haven’t followed this case, was just now reading up on it. I can’t believe what this obviously, IMO, racist, arrogant bully did. And why ?
That poor man.
I do feel very sad for her mother.

 

[aafromaa]

I haven’t followed this case, was just now reading up on it. I can’t believe what this obviously, IMO, racist, arrogant bully did. And why ?
That poor man.
I do feel very sad for her mother.

You are not alone in your opinion that HP was racist. I’ve seen similar comments on this thread and elsewhere. IMO it wouldn’t have mattered what race the driver was. I see HP‘s actions more along the lines of a common . She lived in a different world than those thugs that get a gun and then knock over a liquor store and shoot the clerk or start terrorizing others in a gang or something but that gun gave her the same delusions of grandeur.

 

[RickshawFan]

You are not alone in your opinion that HP was racist. I’ve seen similar comments on this thread and elsewhere. IMO it wouldn’t have mattered what race the driver was. I see HP‘s actions more along the lines of a common . She lived in a different world than those thugs that get a gun and then knock over a liquor store and shoot the clerk or start terrorizing others in a gang or something but that gun gave her the same delusions of grandeur.

I'm not sure the gun gave her delusions of grandeur, but it did give her the opportunity to make her arrogance and entitlement fatal. I say this, because in her cross, and maybe on the fly at the accident and interrogation, she has very quick answers to make herself right about everything, and she seethes with rage.

So, this is not so much about the gun, but about the person who used it. I wonder if she never imagined she’d be found guilty. She did turn down the plea deal.

This is not a nice woman who suddenly lost it, IMO. I actually wonder if her parents were not at all surprised.

 

[threesevenninefour]

I'm not sure the gun gave her delusions of grandeur, but it did give her the opportunity to make her arrogance and entitlement fatal. I say this, because in her cross, and maybe on the fly at the accident and interrogation, she has very quick answers to make herself right about everything, and she seethes with rage.

So, this is not so much about the gun, but about the person who used it. I wonder if she never imagined she’d be found guilty. She did turn down the plea deal.

This is not a nice woman who suddenly lost it, IMO. I actually wonder if her parents were not at all surprised.

100% agree with all of this.

 

[threesevenninefour]

I do think there was a racial component involved. Would she have eventually done something along these lines regardless of the other individual’s race? Most likely, IMO. But I think that Mr. Herring’s race caused her to believe she would be able to get away with violence and vigilantism and be treated like a hero. Glad the jury got it right and said “Not this time!”

MOO.

Rest in peace to Mr. Herring and may his memory be a blessing to all those who loved him. I hope this trial outcome at least gives them some semblance of peace and justice.

 

[aafromaa]

I'm not sure the gun gave her delusions of grandeur, but it did give her the opportunity to make her arrogance and entitlement fatal. I say this, because in her cross, and maybe on the fly at the accident and interrogation, she has very quick answers to make herself right about everything, and she seethes with rage.

So, this is not so much about the gun, but about the person who used it. I wonder if she never imagined she’d be found guilty. She did turn down the plea deal.

This is not a nice woman who suddenly lost it, IMO. I actually wonder if her parents were not at all surprised.

I agree - not about the gun - but the person. I’m a big fan of guns - have several myself and usually carry - I should have been more clear about that - not blaming the gun - but the person who had it - thanks for pointing that out.

I also think she never thought she would be found guilty - not just because she turned down the plea deal but her attitude throughout seems to have been that everyone would think she had done the right thing - was a hero or something. I have to wonder if her attorney tried to talk her down from that or just fed into it himself. She did not seem at all prepared for that verdict even when it seemed so evident to most of us throughout the trial and even when it came back so quickly that one would think everyone knew it was going to be guilty on all counts.