Gene Hackman dead at 95: Iconic actor and wife, 63, are found dead with their dog at Santa Fe home.

[CityKid]

Yes, that information (pest control) was contained in information released by the Sheriff's Office. I can't remember which document though, but I'm having a "pest" problem and it made me wonder what their pest was.

My bf lived in SF for a few years (even sold art supplies to Gene and Betsy on a number of occasions). He said especially in winter, mice/rats are a problem, especially with eating car wiring. Perhaps that's what they were treating for. MOO

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[Cherwell]

A forensic expert commented on the investigation and based on his experience what may have happened:
As new details begin to unravel, Dr. Michael Baden, chief forensic pathologist for the New York State Police Department, delivered his new theory to DailyMail.com.
'This is a sad situation all around,' he said.
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Forensic expert: Gene Hackman may have suffered a heart malfunction

'Even if they died of a natural disease, people don't flop on the floor like that, the way their bodies were found,' he said. 'They usually lie down on the bed and call a doctor.'

What a ridiculous sweeping generalisation. Some conditions do cause people to drop dead. And has he never heard of a frail person in their 90s falling?
I think this "expert" is looking at it all the wrong way round.

 

[shetalksinstereo]

I must say, I have never known or heard about a 63 year old woman killing herself because her 95 year old husband died. It seems very unlikely to me. Surely after a while she would pick herself up and get on with the rest of her life - do a bit of travelling, join a bridge club, whatever.

especially one of "means". She wasn't going to be eating cat food and sitting in the dark to keep her power bill down.

 

[Quill]

Yes I recall that he had been there two weeks prior doing pest control work and upon going back discovered the bodies. That report appears to have been scrubbed online however iirc it was posted on these threads. It even stated mentioned the name of the pest control company he worked for. This is another possibility undoubtedly being investigated.

https://www.krqe.com/news/new-mexico/search-warrant-reveals-details-surrounding-the-deaths-of-gene-hackman-his-wife-and-dog-in-santa-fe/

“From what I understand, there was a gentleman that was doing some pest control work that had gone to the Hackman residence, and he noticed that they weren’t home which was odd, I guess in as far he was concerned. He made contact with the security officer that was there, either patrolling or in the subdivision, and then it was the security officer that went to the house and had discovered the individuals in the home,” Mendoza said..’

BBM
I haven't seen this part about being there two weeks prior. Most pest companies aren't coming out that often unless there is a problem. I've seen people assume there was a problem, but we don't know that. It could be routine prevention treatment. I live in the deep south where you really need to do preventative pest control for bugs at least the outside perimeter of you dwelling. We have a sub tropical climate and the winter isn't harsh enough so we get lots of bugs. However, we have it done quarterly and outside only. I'm feeling like the climate there is as a different as night and day from where I'm at, so I am not knowledgable about what kind of pest control treatment is needed in Santa Fe.

However, if the pest control guy was in fact at the residence doing treatment two weeks prior, then that does pique my interest. Do you have the link?

 

[priyaya]

My bf lived in SF for a few years (even sold art supplies to Gene and Betsy on a number of occasions). He said especially in winter, mice/rats are a problem, especially with eating car wiring. Perhaps that's what they were treating for. MOO

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yes Hanta Virus is active in the area and carried by rodents

 

[priyaya]

yeah and the dog too unless he died bec.of the crate ....

i also maintain the dog could have gotten into the pills.
i find it strange that 2 dogs would be loose while 1 is in the crate with at least 1 owner home.
Unless she died suddenly letting the dogs out

 

[Cherwell]

BBM
I haven't seen this part about being there two weeks prior. Most pest companies aren't coming out that often unless there is a problem. I've seen people assume there was a problem, but we don't know that. It could be routine prevention treatment. I live in the deep south where you really need to do preventative pest control for bugs at least the outside perimeter of you dwelling. We have a sub tropical climate and the winter isn't harsh enough so we get lots of bugs. However, we have it done quarterly and outside only. I'm feeling like the climate there is as a different as night and day from where I'm at, so I am not knowledgable about what kind of pest control treatment is needed in Santa Fe.

However, if the pest control guy was in fact at the residence doing treatment two weeks prior, then that does pique my interest. Do you have the link?

Probably just a case of placing bait boxes for rats. They would come back every two weeks to check that bait had been taken and leave more.

 

[Cherwell]

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It was reported in multiple sources that the workers were there for pest control.

 

[K9Enzo]

I’m not at all suspicious of the 911 caller. Hunters & hikers who have stumbled upon bodies describe thinking it was a mannequin they were looking at. The mind is not making putting together it’s a dead body. Remains in the state these two were in is not something that makes sense when you see it. That poor 911 caller, the Good Samaritan in my eyes. imo

 

[iamshadow21]

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Carbon monoxide poisoning ruled out in death of Gene Hackman and wife, police say

Investigators say ‘good assumption’ actor died on 17 February while autopsies reveal no external trauma

www.theguardian.com

 

[K9Enzo]

i also maintain the dog could have gotten into the pills.
i find it strange that 2 dogs would be loose while 1 is in the crate with at least 1 owner home.
Unless she died suddenly letting the dogs out

There’s multiple reasons one dog would be crated. People with multiple dogs sometimes “crate & rotate” to keep the peace among dogs.Visitors to the home, the crated dog is better put away. There are many reasons. imo

My pups are crate trained from the start with me. I have one crated right now, he’s in downtime after training this morning. My other one is staring at me.

 

[Quill]

Probably just a case of placing bait boxes for rats. They would come back every two weeks to check that bait had been taken and leave more.

Ahh, I didn't think about rats. That makes sense, then. We get quarterly preventative done for bugs here in the buggy and muggy south, so that's what my brain immediately went to.

 

[IceIce9]

'Even if they died of a natural disease, people don't flop on the floor like that, the way their bodies were found,' he said. 'They usually lie down on the bed and call a doctor.'

What a ridiculous sweeping generalisation. Some conditions do cause people to drop dead. And has he never heard of a frail person in their 90s falling?
I think this "expert" is looking at it all the wrong way round.

Someone suffering from sudden cardiac arrest is usually found on the floor.

 

[iamshadow21]

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It's a direct quote from the Sheriff, which is a good enough source for me.

"From what I understand, there was a gentleman that was doing some pest control work that had gone to the Hackman residence, and he noticed that they weren’t home which was odd, I guess in as far he was concerned. He made contact with the security officer that was there, either patrolling or in the subdivision, and then it was the security officer that went to the house and had discovered the individuals in the home,” Mendoza said.

https://fox4kc.com/news/national/gene-hackman-wife-found-dead-santa-fe-sheriff-says-discovery-is-concerning/

MOO

 

[Lonicera]

I think it must be terribly sad to grow old without children or parents around.
Look at Nicholson or Eastwood or Beatty or Douglas: they have or had children , human warmth around them.

 

[Quill]

There’s multiple reasons one dog would be crated. People with multiple dogs sometimes “crate & rotate” to keep the peace among dogs.Visitors to the home, the crated dog is better put away. There are many reasons. imo

My pups are crate trained from the start with me. I have one crated right now, he’s in downtime after training this morning. My other one is staring at me.

Glad you posted this. I think crate training has been instrumental in acclimating the rescue pups we have had over the years. There is definitely a method, as you have described, that is a training tool and not a punishment tool as many often think. When done properly, it is a safe space not a cage. Our guy was a street dog and I think in the beginning he really like the security of his crate, especially at night while he slept. He kind of slept with one eye open due to being on the streets of a large city that never sleeps. He has been so mannerly and obedient that he doesn't use it anymore and prefers to sleep with me.

My theory is that it's quite possible that something happened while this dog was still crated and B never had the chance to let her out, possibly even first thing in the morning. Maybe the other two aren't crated anymore.

 

[Megnut]

There will be other clues, of course the most detailed will come from the pacemaker itself IMO. For time of day. But there will be other clues. Coffee made? Lunch started? Dishes in the sink, laundry in the washing machine, etc. Where were they in the normal pattern of their lives? It was likely normal. Until it wasn't.

Perhaps he wore slippers all day... maybe he took a short walk every day at the same time, two dogs in tow. Perhaps the one dog was crated because it's where he sleeps and he hadn't yet been let out. Sunglasses suggest daylight hours... who died first, when, how, why.

I still want to know where the phones were, if there was any attempt to get help... which medicine spilled?

I DO think LE will be able to unriddle this.

JMO

 

[priyaya]

Probably just a case of placing bait boxes for rats. They would come back every two weeks to check that bait had been taken and leave more.

Ahh, I didn't think about rats. That makes sense, then. We get quarterly preventative done for bugs here in the buggy and muggy south, so that's what my brain immediately went to.

yes pest control is better stated as pest maintenance. the only way to control them is by regularly monitoring and treating them with a plan

 

[priyaya]

Glad you posted this. I think crate training has been instrumental in acclimating the rescue pups we have had over the years. There is definitely a method, as you have described, that is a training tool and not a punishment tool as many often think. When done properly, it is a safe space not a cage. Our guy was a street dog and I think in the beginning he really like the security of his crate, especially at night while he slept. He kind of slept with one eye open due to being on the streets of a large city that never sleeps. He has been so mannerly and obedient that he doesn't use it anymore and prefers to sleep with me.

My theory is that it's quite possible that something happened while this dog was still crated and B never had the chance to let her out, possibly even first thing in the morning. Maybe the other two aren't crated anymore.

thanks for explaining this. ive only had 2 dogs crate trained and they were in 2 crates. they were also the same age and temperament so i recognize there are many other possibilities.
my next question here is why would the other 2 dogs be in and out of the house, but not try to help the 3rd dog in the crate if it were suffering which i assume would make it vocal

 

[IceIce9]

There will be other clues, of course the most detailed will come from the pacemaker itself IMO. For time of day. But there will be other clues. Coffee made? Lunch started? Dishes in the sink, laundry in the washing machine, etc. Where were they in the normal pattern of their lives? It was likely normal. Until it wasn't.

Perhaps he wore slippers all day... maybe he took a short walk every day at the same time, two dogs in tow. Perhaps the one dog was crated because it's where he sleeps and he hadn't yet been let out. Sunglasses suggest daylight hours... who died first, when, how, why.

I still want to know where the phones were, if there was any attempt to get help... which medicine spilled?

I don't think LE will be able to unriddle this.

JMO

Regarding the slippers: many elderly people wear slippers all day. Sometimes due to swelling in their feet but often just because it is easier for them to put on slippers than shoes.