Gene Hackman dead at 95: Iconic actor and wife, 63, are found dead with their dog at Santa Fe home.

[SMK777]

well here's a new twist...sure grieve differently nowadays...

Gene Hackman's daughters seen - as cops probe new theory on death

Gene Hackman's daughter were seen getting out of their vehicle to get food from the all-day breakfast joint Denny's only a day after their father's body was found inside his New Mexico compound.

www.dailymail.co.uk

They maybe weren't close to them?
I do find it odd, but for others, maybe not.

 

[Gemmie]

They maybe weren't close to them?
I do find it odd, but for others, maybe not.

I don't find it odd. I think they were simply hungry. And the article said they hadn't spoken in months so maybe not real close? And I'd imagine those 2 have a lot to talk about. Funeral arrangements, their father's estate, inheritance, last wishes, etc., not to mention "what the heck do you think happened?".

 

[whitelilac]

See, I just think she was trying to get to the pills and collapsed before taking them. I suppose they could be heart pills but there hasn't been any mention of her having any health problems. It's sad we haven't heard from her family.

She may have been perfectly healthy, yet died from something undisclosed and sudden.
My aunt was in her late 50's when she died from an aneurysm. They were on holiday in Greece, walking, she felt unwell, collapsed and died right there. She was strong and healthy. At the time, Greek officials also had to do some sort of inquest.
A friend of mine also died suddenly, in her 60's, this time of a sudden heart attack, with no history of heart disease.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Trying again. I've gifted an article from the NYT. It contains a link to the downloadable PDF of the Affidavit for Search Warrant in this sad turn of events. I will never, ever forget Gene Hackman in The Conversation.

New York Times - Inquiry Continues

ahhhh yes... one of the vey very best.

 

[ttjo]

I think Gene's death was from natural causes, most likely a sudden heart attack, and when Betty saw him, and found out he was dead, she tragically took her own life, overdosing on prescription pills.

MOO.

I guess my first instinct would be to call 911, hard to imagine someone would take their own life before anything else.
The scattered pills? Maybe she was in a rush? to help him? don't know what they were or who they were prescribed to yet, that might tell us something. (Like Nitro) its very strange, hard to know what happened.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Coming at this from the prospective of a dog owner, there can be a lot learned from whatever signs of the dogs' behaviors the investigators can see. Good points raised above about what they were eating such as dry food left accessible or even human food such as a pantry door left open. Also, what kind of water source was available? (I know without a doubt that mine would eventually drink from the toilet. He is a rescue that had been living in an abandoned building. We had to work at getting him to stop that when we brought him home.)

What about the potty habits of the two living dogs during the time period the two are believed to be deceased and especially around the deceased dog? Any evidence of feces or urine in the kennel will tell a bit more about that situation. Were there any claw marks on the door that was ajar or any other doors?

One horrible thought I had that I hate to even mention was wondering if maybe one of the dogs may have been over excited and accidentally knocked GH to the floor as he was trying to go outside. I suppose if that happened, an autopsy will shed some light on any fatal injuries that could have occurred in that way.

It's all very sad.

I also wonder if one of the dogs knocked him over. He could have opened the door and they barrelled through him as dogs sometimes do.

 

[Marie A]

I have never been to Santa Fe but, does it snow there?

I learned to ski in Santa Fe so yes, they can have a lot of snow and they have a bonafide ski basin.

 

[TailSpin]

Yes, I read that, too. It would be wise to inspect the other doors as well as the one that was opened.

It woud not surprise me that the door was already open or that one of the dogs opened it.

 

[Boxer]

Good thought, although I believe mushrooms usually cause a good bit of vomiting before death.....

True. Sad situation.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I'm trying to make sense out of their deaths being suspicious enough for an investigation, yet no foul play was suspected? Can someone help me make sense out of that because I can't.

Others have correctly answered already, ‘suspicious’ is apparently the term used when cause and manner of death aren’t apparent. A reference at link.

What Is Considered a Suspicious Death? 5 Suspicious Death Causes | CGA Solutions

A Suspicious Death Means That There Are Unclear Circumstances to a Person's Passing That Requires Further Investigating. Learn More About Suspicious Death from Licensed Death Investigators.

cga-solutions.com

 

[TailSpin]

I wonder how the other two dogs were finding food. Just my opinion.

Short of opening tin cans, dogs will manage to find and eat food no matter where it is.

 

[sunshineray]

I guess my first instinct would be to call 911, hard to imagine someone would take their own life before anything else.
The scattered pills? Maybe she was in a rush? to help him? don't know what they were or who they were prescribed to yet, that might tell us something. (Like Nitro) its very strange, hard to know what happened.

I agree, also why kill yourself but keep one of your dogs locked in a cage (to probably die a slow and terrible death from dehydration and starvation)? Why not just let all the dogs outside...and at least close the door to the house? Odd that door was left open if she did commit suicide. JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

I think Gene's death was from natural causes, most likely a sudden heart attack, and when Betty saw him, and found out he was dead, she tragically took her own life, overdosing on prescription pills.

MOO.

Total speculation here, as I’m still suspicious of CO, or a mishap with pills, or an extreme medical event with Betsy.

If Betsy did take her own life, I’m leaning toward she did it before Gene passed. Caregiving for extended periods can be so very hard, and from media reports, they were living a somewhat isolated lifestyle. He may have been confused, looking for her, maybe even found her and tried to leave to get help, or go find his phone, and fell. Or he had a heart attack from the shock.

jmo

 

[steeltowngirl]

I agree, also why kill yourself but keep one of your dogs locked in a cage (to probably die a slow and terrible death from dehydration and starvation)? Why not just let all the dogs outside...and at least close the door to the house? Odd that door was left open if she did commit suicide. JMO

People who end their own life aren’t likely to be in a mental place to be thinking ahead. They just give up and go.

jmo

 

[ttjo]

Total speculation here, as I’m still suspicious of CO, or a mishap with pills, or an extreme medical event with Betsy.

If Betsy did take her own life, I’m leaning toward she did it before Gene passed. Caregiving for extended periods can be so very hard, and from media reports, they were living a somewhat isolated lifestyle. He may have been confused, looking for her, maybe even found her and tried to leave to get help, or go find his phone, and fell. Or he had a heart attack from the shock.

jmo

I can see that as a possibility. They ( the deputy) did say it looked like he fell suddenly.

Gene Hackman and wife were 'deceased for quite a while' before bodies were discovered as deaths called 'suspicious'

The sheriff said there were no obvious signs of foul play, but authorities aren't ruling anything out as the investigation continues.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[STAGNUM]

Trying again. I've gifted an article from the NYT. It contains a link to the downloadable PDF of the Affidavit for Search Warrant in this sad turn of events. I will never, ever forget Gene Hackman in The Conversation.

New York Times - Inquiry Continues

The Conversation was my favorite. The technology was spot on and the story was excellent.

 

[LadyL]

well here's a new twist...sure grieve differently nowadays...

Gene Hackman's daughters seen - as cops probe new theory on death

Gene Hackman's daughter were seen getting out of their vehicle to get food from the all-day breakfast joint Denny's only a day after their father's body was found inside his New Mexico compound.

www.dailymail.co.uk

they have to eat ...
and what's wrong with smiling just because someone you love died?

 

[TailSpin]

It is completely unbelievable that Betsy would have taken her own life suddenly in the bathroom out of grief from Gene's death without calling anyone.

 

[Fabled Automatic]

It is completely unbelievable that Betsy would have taken her own life suddenly in the bathroom out of grief from Gene's death without calling anyone.

Equally unbelievable that she would have done so knowing at least one of their beloved pets would starve to death in its pen.

 

[STAGNUM]

People who end their own life aren’t likely to be in a mental place to be thinking ahead. They just give up and go.

jmo

Yeah, but she had her whole, very long life ahead of her when he did finally pass away, which was getting nearer. I don't think that was it. It was Carbon Monoxide. It will just be a difficult task to prove definitively.