Gene Hackman dead at 95: Iconic actor and wife, 63, are found dead with their dog at Santa Fe home.

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It, it doesn’t which medication was scattered was my point. :)
There were only 2 prescription meds in the list. Thyroid medication and heart medication. It had to be one of them.
 
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BBM
Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza told “Today” that the spilled medication is “very important evidence” as they try to piece together the timeline of events.

We’re looking at that specifically and other medications that were possibly in the residence,” he told the outlet Friday. “So that is something of concern.”
 
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Sounds like Mr Hackman may have opened the door in the back of the house for the dogs. Make sense that this was the opened door probably by the mud room where he was found.


Chief Brian Moya of the Santa Fe Fire Department said in an interview that a door in the back of the home had been cracked open, possibly to let the dogs go in and out.

Gene Hackman Most Likely Died on Feb. 17, Sheriff Says.
 
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Their Surviving Doggos.

A doggy door allowing pets to come & go on their own whim can be an advantage, esp'ly for owners who may not be inclined or no longer able to take them for walkies multiple times daily.

Coyotes, even w average 40 lb. / 18 kg. weight, are known to attack & kill household pets, even dogs larger than themselves.

Clipped from a 2012 article, re coyotes about ten miles from Hackman home. Similar warnings are regularly issued.

"Residents warned after coyote attacks"​

"In the past month, coyotes have attacked two dogs at the Santa Fe ski basin. The fear now is that a hiker or even a child could be next...
"New Mexico Department of Game and Fish Wildlife... officials warned they will go after cats and dogs.
"Another tip is to keep pets indoors...."

Repeated in various local outlets several times a year, sometimes w reports of pets' partial remains recovered or dogs gone missing.

Glad it did not happen to these doggos and hoping they are adopted into a loving home. <3
jmo

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Wow thats impressive , That was some pretty stiff competition. Nicholson, Pacino, good grief. Nicholson saying " you can't handle the truth " in A Few Good Men, is one of the most epic mic drop moments in film. Good for you Gene. Thats what made you a legend.
 
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Why is it?!
Who knows what anyone will do in the throes of grief!
I absolutely agree. Maybe she felt that she couldn’t live without him. The dog ate what she dropped. I believe Gene passed of natural causes.
 
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Why is it?!
Who knows what anyone will do in the throes of grief!
IMO- the whole.. Pills scattered &/ spilled about, the cap being off, is extremely dramatic. You’re telling me she committed suicide & then she died while actively having the pill bottle in her hand(s)? ….
 
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BA killing herself in despair because GH died doesn't fit for me.

First of all because he's 95 and she must know it's going to happen soon. Mentally she had to have thought about it. And he's a beloved public figure so she would want to make sure he got whatever service he wanted, or his daughters wanted, etc.

But even if she *was* distraught enough to want to die with him, IMO she would have been laying next to him, hugging him or at least holding his hand.

Not to mention, none of the pills mentioned would be likely to be used to kill oneself, unless perhaps it was the whole bottle of tylenol.

No the only thing that makes sense to me is that she died first, and he either had a heart attack/stroke in shock, or simply fell and then couldn't get up when she wasn't there to help him.

MOO of course
I agree the desperation suicide makes no sense at all. One doesn't take a bottle of pills and immediately fall to the floor forgetting to let your beloved dog out of the closet. Also, she would want to be near Gene.

I believe there may have been an intruder or an argument with someone they knew, which in turn agitated one of the dogs. Betsy was made to secure the dog in the closet and she may have tried to disarm the person afterward. A struggle took place knocking the pills and heater over leaving Betsy dead and the dog locked in the closet.

Knowing he's too old to subdue anyone, Gene tries to make a break for it to get help, but is caught in the mudroom and is killed. The intruder, who may have not intended to kill anyone, is thoroughly rattled, aborts the mission, and exits hastily leaving the front door ajar.
 
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Pills take some time to kick in. I doubt she would've taken them and then stood over the counter while she waited.
It just doesnt make sense
 
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IMO- the whole.. Pills scattered &/ spilled about, the cap being off, is extremely dramatic. You’re telling me she committed suicide & then she died while actively having the pill bottle in her hand(s)? ….
Yeah, this one does not compute. Nor does the idea that the dog ate the pills and locked himself in the closet to die.
 
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I absolutely agree. Maybe she felt that she couldn’t live without him. The dog ate what she dropped. I believe Gene passed of natural causes.
The dog ate what she dropped and then shut himself up in the closet?
 
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Yeah, this one does not compute. Nor does the idea that the dog ate the pills and locked himself in the closet to die.
Could this be an attempt to "stage" a scene? Would there be anyone that would benefit from their deaths?
 
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I absolutely agree. Maybe she felt that she couldn’t live without him. The dog ate what she dropped. I believe Gene passed of natural causes.

I’d accept any reasonable version. (Yesterday posted that I intuitively felt it was not CO). I am sure that there were only two of them in the house.

It would feel that loneliness and social isolation were probably the strongest contributing factors. And no matter how things enfolded, it, indeed, was not “foul play”.

The sequence of events will probably be never fully reconstructed. Maybe for us, the phrase “they loved each other and died on the same day?” should cover the case?
 
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Did they say what TIME the pacemaker stopped?

Could it have been morning? And the crated dog just hadn't been let out yet, maybe it works have been her next task, shooing the pup out toward Gene and the other two shepherds?

And something happened to her, just as she was about to take her pills?
 
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I believe there may have been an intruder or an argument with someone they knew, which in turn agitated one of the dogs. Betsy was made to secure the dog in the closet and she may have tried to disarm the person afterward. A struggle took place knocking the pills and heater over leaving Betsy dead and the dog locked in the closet.

Knowing he's too old to subdue anyone, Gene tries to make a break for it to get help, but is caught in the mudroom and is killed. The intruder, who may have not intended to kill anyone, is thoroughly rattled, aborts the mission, and exits hastily leaving the front door ajar.
But killed how, with no observable trauma on either body? I just can't get into the murder scenario. Not to mention they were in a gated neighborhood which would really limit the options of who they might have encountered.
 
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Did they say what TIME the pacemaker stopped?

Could it have been morning? And the crated dog just hadn't been let out yet, maybe it works have been her next task, shooing the pup out toward Gene and the other two shepherds?

And something happened to her, just as she was about to take her pills?
I have only heard of the date, not the actual timestamp. One such...

Hackman's pacemaker was last active on Feb. 17, Santa Fe County Sheriff Adam Mendoza said at a news conference on Friday. The sheriff said it was "a very good assumption" Hackman died on that day, based on information from a pathologist.

 
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I don't think we know the kennel door was closed. It could easily have just been the dog's safe space where it went when it didn't feel well.

Also, it's occurred to me that if this is the second set of GSDs they've had, starting in 1999 was it? -- they might be quite elderly dogs by now.

I wonder if the dog died of old age, complicating the mystery.
Sorry if mentioned, I’m trying to catch up-but, closets can be big with no doors at all-just open space(s) right? Could that be the case here? Especially in big homes…I’m hoping that’s the case for the dog’s sake. Sniff!
 
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Ok here's something I've been pondering.

If the bathroom where BA was found was an entry/guest bathroom rather than their daily use bathroom, then it seems unusual to me that either of their prescription medications were stored there. Certainly their daily routine type meds would be in their personal bathroom/s.

But I can see keeping general medications such as tylenol in an entry bathroom, in addition to rx meds that might be needed fast, such as heart medications, kept wherever would be closest to where they might be needed. Maybe some in each bath around the house.

Now, I'm familiar with diltiazem as used for atrial flutter/afib, but never thought of it as something one might need in an emergency, the way nitroglycerin used to be (and maybe still is?). Perhaps it is indeed used that way but it's not my experience. Didn't know it was also used for hypertension so can't comment on that.

I just wonder if there were really more meds than the ones we've seen listed.

I keep going back and forth whether I think she was handling her own pills, or Gene's. Or maybe there were vet meds there she was giving the dog?
 
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