Gene Hackman dead at 95: Iconic actor and wife, 63, are found dead with their dog at Santa Fe home.

[ttjo]

Lots of bloating and severe discolouration may have made it harder to tell.

He was security or maintenance and identifying decomposed corpses isn’t their thing.

yeah youre right, it had been over a week, sometimes I overthink things.. and its really that simple. Identifying decomposed corpses is not in their job description.

 

[friendlysleuther]

It doesn’t to me either. It’s too contrived. The property caretaker or groundskeeper would know which windows provide the best view to the inside. The windows on this type of architecture are very visually accessible.

You can tell if someone isn’t moving through a window. Then the way he says “to send someone soon”. Something is off with that. This guy knows something (in my opinion).

Since it’s established that they have been deceased for a while, why wouldn’t the active groundskeeper have seen them sooner? They are typically at the property regularly.

Trauma response, perhaps. & He stated he was the ‘caretaker of the subdivision’ — In that case, he’s not going to be by every single day.

 

[friendlysleuther]

Lots of bloating and severe discolouration may have made it harder to tell.

He was security or maintenance and identifying decomposed corpses isn’t their thing.

Or, he did know and that was just his reaction.

I thought the “damn” was the operator?

 

[ttjo]

I thought the “damn” was the operator?

I'll listen again, it doesnt seem like something an operator would say though,IMO? theyre supposed to be calm and cool and keep you calm also.

 

[friendlysleuther]

I’ll bite. Tell me more.

Oh, howdy there—
Let’s do this thing, I’ll start:

1. Testing if a person had ate poisoned food is not a routine autopsy test.

 

[Charlot123]

rsbm.

I’m roughly B’s age. I love routine. I keep stuff where it’s most convenient.

So stated another way, if my doggo sleeps in a crate in a bathroom near the front door and I let him out first thing in the morning, I keep my morning meds on the counter in that bathroom.

moo.

Well, I know two situations when tripping over an animal would cause a fall.

One was a young lady whose kitty would run out to meet her on hearing the front door open. Once she returned home late, the cat ran out, she tripped over him in the darkness, fell and broke her arm… She ended up marrying a doctor she met that night in ER (he was putting cast on her arm.)

The second person simply fell over her cat, and also at night.

I guess it would be easier to trip over a dog.

 

[friendlysleuther]

Well, I know two situations when tripping over an animal would cause a fall.

One was a young lady whose kitty would run out to meet her on hearing the front door open. Once she returned home late, the cat ran out, she tripped over him in the darkness, fell and broke her arm… She ended up marrying a doctor she met that night in ER (he was putting cast on her arm.)

The second person simply fell over her cat, and also at night.

I guess it would be easier to trip over a dog.

Have you ever had a big dog? They’re like miniature horses. Super hard to trip over them because they’re dang-near eye level with ya Either way, she didn’t have any brain bleed, broken bones, nothing was wrong with her heart, and no carbon monoxide— so..

 

[ttjo]

Have you ever had a big dog? They’re like miniature horses. Super hard to trip over them because they’re dang-near eye level with ya Either way, she didn’t have any brain bleed, broken bones, nothing was wrong with her heart, and no carbon monoxide— so..

so what does that leave? Tox?

 

[iamshadow21]

Have you ever had a big dog? They’re like miniature horses. Super hard to trip over them because they’re dang-near eye level with ya Either way, she didn’t have any brain bleed, broken bones, nothing was wrong with her heart, and no carbon monoxide— so..

Harder to trip over them when they're standing, but they'll bowl you over from behind easily enough. I've had four standard poodles, they're like greyhounds with wool, and dogs of that size can easily knock over a person.

You can also trip over a dog of any size that's lying down.

I don't think it's a factor here, but still.

MOO

 

[friendlysleuther]

so what does that leave? Tox?

(Food poisoning is my guess)

 

[airportwoman]

Lots of bloating and severe discolouration may have made it harder to tell.

He was security or maintenance and identifying decomposed corpses isn’t their thing.

Or, he did know and that was just his reaction.

Without being too graphic, authorities are saying that their bodies had shown signs of mummification, meaning that they were drying up due to the low humidity in the desert.

 

[bombardier]

Oh, howdy there—
Let’s do this thing, I’ll start:

1. Testing if a person had ate poisoned food is not a routine autopsy test.

just my 2 cents as an autopsy worker;
im not sure about how the level of decomp will affect this particular case but yes, in an autopsy we will see evidence of fatal food poisoning! you dont specifically 'test' for it, so to say, but youd see evidence of dehydration, edematous bowels, massive diarrhea still present in colon, hemorrhagic stomach and esopagheal mucosa from vomiting, positive blood cultures if septic as seen in listeriosis, etc. i can see no realistic way of dying from food poisoning without there being evidence in situ.
what would be more useful in determining a case of food poisoning would be the scene imo, puke bowls around? soiled clothing? anti-emetics lying close by?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Oh, howdy there—
Let’s do this thing, I’ll start:

1. Testing if a person had ate poisoned food is not a routine autopsy test.

I've had food poisoning. It's not pretty.

If the COD were food poisoning, there would be a lot of castoff dirty underwear somewhere. Probably some pools of vomit here and there.

The human body does everything it can to rid itself of a toxin. TMI probably: when I ended up in the hospital with salmonella, I was not given anything to stop my primary symptom of diarrhea, because the doctors thought the best course of action was not to interfere with my body's natural response to expel what was ailing it.

Food poisoning isn't often an invisible killer.

 

[friendlysleuther]

I've had food poisoning. It's not pretty.

If the COD were food poisoning, there would be a lot of castoff dirty underwear somewhere. Probably some pools of vomit here and there.

The human body does everything it can to rid itself of a toxin. TMI probably: when I ended up in the hospital with salmonella, I was not given anything to stop my primary symptom of diarrhea, because the doctors thought the best course of action was not to interfere with my body's natural response to expel what was ailing it.

Food poisoning isn't often an invisible killer.

right, where was Betsy found again?

 

[Inobu]

It doesn’t to me either. It’s too contrived. The property caretaker or groundskeeper would know which windows provide the best view to the inside. The windows on this type of architecture are very visually accessible.

You can tell if someone isn’t moving through a window. Then the way he says “to send someone soon”. Something is off with that. This guy knows something (in my opinion).

Since it’s established that they have been deceased for a while, why wouldn’t the active groundskeeper have seen them sooner? They are typically at the property regularly.Its not

The 911 call isn't consistent with the word usage. If you are looking through the window people give a current visual account. They give detail info of what they are looking at. That was not happening in the 911 call.

The caller seem the say "Them" and correct with "She"....

Also he was not descriptive as in.....
I'm looking through the bathroom window and she is not moving. Or I am looking through the bedroom balcony and I see her on the bathroom floor.

Two other healthy dogs were found in other parts of the property. The front door was open and unsecured, and there were no signs of forced entry or theft.

This statement seems to address two points. It clarifies door was open (point one) unsecured implies the locking
mechanism.

It doesn't add up.

 

[BrianJohnson]

No chance whatsoever of an intruder being responsible for their deaths, nor food poisoning, if it was an intruder the other 2 dogs would have ripped the intruder apart, GSD’s are fiercely protective of their owners

As she died not in the main bathroom but another one where the dog was I am thinking the dog hadn’t been well and she was checking in on the dog, giving the dog medication, the heater fell off and killed her by hitting her on the head, Gene may have been in the garden as he had sunglasses, hears a crashing sound goes inside and in a rush to get to her/find her, moving quicker than normal he falls over in the room he died in

 

[ttjo]

Can you overdose on those blood pressure pills?

 

[friendlysleuther]

just my 2 cents as an autopsy worker;
im not sure about how the level of decomp will affect this particular case but yes, in an autopsy we will see evidence of fatal food poisoning! you dont specifically 'test' for it, so to say, but youd see evidence of dehydration, edematous bowels, massive diarrhea still present in colon, hemorrhagic stomach and esopagheal mucosa from vomiting, positive blood cultures if septic as seen in listeriosis, etc. i can see no realistic way of dying from food poisoning without there being evidence in situ.
what would be more useful in determining a case of food poisoning would be the scene imo, puke bowls around? soiled clothing? anti-emetics lying close by?

I’m saying, if someone is brought in for an autopsy— They’re not immediately given these tests (unless cause of death unknown, circumstances like you mentioned, etc etc.)

AKA— If someone wanted to cover it up as a carbon monoxide poisoning
diarrhea can be a symptom of carbon monoxide (CO) poisoning. Other symptoms include headache, dizziness, nausea, and vomiting

Aren’t the symptoms for food poisoning very similar?

Source 1

 

[friendlysleuther]

if it was an intruder the other 2 dogs would have ripped the intruder apart, GSD’s are fiercely protective of their owners

Not if they knew the person(s).

 

[friendlysleuther]

The 911 call isn't consistent with the word usage. If you are looking through the window people give a current visual account. They give detail info of what they are looking at. That was not happening in the 911 call.

The caller seem the say "Them" and correct with "She"....

Also he was not descriptive as in.....
I'm looking through the bathroom window and she is not moving. Or I am looking through the bedroom balcony and I see her on the bathroom floor.

Two other healthy dogs were found in other parts of the property. The front door was open and unsecured, and there were no signs of forced entry or theft.

This statement seems to address two points. It clarifies door was open (point one) unsecured implies the locking
mechanism.

It doesn't add up.

Trauma, people.. Trauma.. & I don’t know if the subdivisions maintenance man would be able to tell which window of every home would have the best view to see XYZ parts of every home.. (I hope not, at least)

ETA: I quoted the wrong post. I meant to quote whom you were quoting, inobu— phone won’t let me fix it.. I’ll pull out laptop tmr