General discussion about the drug busts on Jan 20, 2010

[azwriter]

That is sad, I didnt know there are elderly people that have to do that. I guess I was naive in thinking that prescription drugs were not such a plentiful thing.

You're not naive, Bratlings. Obviously you're not hanging with people who market their own prescription. And, from some doctors, it is very easy to get a prescription for these pain pills.
Look at my own little family - my husband and I. Because of an accident that caused a broken cheekbone, my doctor gave me a hydrocodone script for 50 pills. Less than a few days later, my husband was going to have some teeth pulled and the dentist gave him a script for hydro, a high mmg, for 30 tablets. And, because he has an artifical heart valve, our family doctor offered to write my husband a script for 50 hydro. We refused that script since the dentist had given him one. But, imagine, within a few days we could have had 130 pills between us all from legal prescriptions. At $10 a tablet we could have sold them for $1,300.
In fact we still have about 60 in all of those pills left. Neither of us like taking hydro because it is so addictive. See how easy it can be to get these pain meds?

 

[kikid]

it is, I went to the Dr. last Spring for bronchitis and they prescribed a cough med that had hydrocodone in it. I didn't want to take it but the doc said just take as directed and don't worry about it.

It almost seems the pharmaceuticals and docs want everyone addicted to their pills.

 

[Quiche]

Because Ron and Misty are incarcerated as regular old drug pushers, they are in general population, right? With all those men and women who ache and mourn every day in the absence of their own children...?

Seems possible to me that the lure of protective custody may be enough to convince them to locate Haleigh and be legally and institutionally acknowledged as baby killers, rather than persistently brutalized by an angry inmate population.

Terrible, but plausible. imo It is in their nature to save their own behinds however they can... they know Casey A. gets her own room. They'll want/need one too. :twocents:

 

[Searchfortruth]

Because Ron and Misty are incarcerated as regular old drug pushers, they are in general population, right? With all those men and women who ache and mourn every day in the absence of their own children...?

Seems possible to me that the lure of protective custody may be enough to convince them to locate Haleigh and be legally and institutionally acknowledged as baby killers, rather than persistently brutalized by an angry inmate population.

Terrible, but plausible. imo It is in their nature to save their own behinds however they can... they know Casey A. gets her own room. They'll want/need one too. :twocents:

I wish they were in general population, but I am afraid that (because of their notariety) they are in private cells...protected.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

You're not naive, Bratlings. Obviously you're not hanging with people who market their own prescription. And, from some doctors, it is very easy to get a prescription for these pain pills.
Look at my own little family - my husband and I. Because of an accident that caused a broken cheekbone, my doctor gave me a hydrocodone script for 50 pills. Less than a few days later, my husband was going to have some teeth pulled and the dentist gave him a script for hydro, a high mmg, for 30 tablets. And, because he has an artifical heart valve, our family doctor offered to write my husband a script for 50 hydro. We refused that script since the dentist had given him one. But, imagine, within a few days we could have had 130 pills between us all from legal prescriptions. At $10 a tablet we could have sold them for $1,300.
In fact we still have about 60 in all of those pills left. Neither of us like taking hydro because it is so addictive. See how easy it can be to get these pain meds?

I hear ya -- I had surgery for Endometriosis and the doc gave me a script for Hydrocodone - told me he threw a couple extra refills on it "because you never know when you'll need it".

The docs prescribing these need to be looked at as well.

 

[Kateyes]

One comment on how easy it is to get narcotics. My husband needed a root canal, and he went to an endodontist for the procedure. The doctor gave him a prescription for 30 Vicodin for pain management following the procedure. But, my husband is one who never even gets local anesthesia except for root canals. Even then, he only takes the anesthesia because the dentist mandates it. Hubby does have a very high pain tolerance, that is true, as most people don't shun local anesthetics for dental procedures. Anyway, he never did get the prescription filled. But when he went for his 3 day follow-up the doc told him to call if he needed more pain meds. You should have seen the look on his face when he told the doc that he never even got the prescription filled!

 

[Dee10]

Paid informant in Haleigh Cummings case arrested in drug bust with Misty Croslin

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...-croslin-donna-brock-20100122,0,6915774.story

 

[twall]

Since this is Ron's first real jail experience and Misty's too, I wonder how it will affect the chances of them talking. Most likely they are both in a cell alone, locked up except for the shower they get each day. This is hard even for people who have been in jail before. Add in the withdrawal factor and I would imagine they will be ready to spill the beans soon.

They are being housed in seperate facilities so they cannot communicate with each other through trustees, guards, etc.

I am curious if Donna and Misty are in general pop. and able to communicate since they are in the same facility. I would think not.

 

[twall]

While this development is very interesting and hopefully will aid in the Haleigh mystery, I wish LE would not have used the reverse buy tactics.
If the quantity sold to undercover is equal to the quantity bought from undercover, some smart lawyer will come out of the wood works IMO, crying foul.
Misty had no previous conviction and letting her break the law 7 times before arresting her, looks like entrapment.
They all are small potatoes in the overall drug trade judging by the qties seized.
Ducking rotten tomato throwing.

How do you know this? Misty has only been 18, legal age, for 6 wks. (unless you consider the time she was underage and married) so any priors would be sealed because of her juvie status.

 

[Steely Dan]

After reading time and time again,,,about the pain meds,,and how some wish pain "docs" would all go away.....PLEASE,,,take a min and hear me out...I am almost 60 and suffer 24/7 with a spine that is deteriorating as I speak...I go to my pain specialist once a month,,,every month,,,every other month I have to have a urine test,,,even though I have been going to him for years...He says the urine test are needed to keep his license....Now,,without my pain meds,,I would rather die..The meds do not relieve my pain 100%,,,so daily I live with pain..but the meds help me function to the point I can do things for myself,,,going to bathroom, feeding my self and cooking for my husband......I have been on pain meds for the last 9 years after 2 failed back surgeries and implants, that have done little to make my life bearable..........I am so SICK and tired of hearing about people like these that sell and deal pain killers,,,,,,making it a real problem for people like me,who need,them, to get them....Celebrities with no medical history of pain, taking them for kicks,then overdosing,,, these yokels taking them to get high,then selling for income,,,,,I need them just to get through the day.....My pain dr. will NOT give me "extras" if I lose them or they get stolen....I signed a contract with my doctor,,,and believe you,,me,,,I know where my meds are 24/7......I would not want to live one more day,,if I had to experience the pain without them.......People who have never experienced 24/7 pain from anything just doesnt get "it"....and I wouldn't wish that on anyone....

I'm sorry to hear that. It sounds very hard to deal with on a daily basis. Keep well.

southernvagirl, I totally understand! I'm 52 and my doc has prescribed hydrocodone for my arthritis and honestly although I work (because I have no choice) I can barely walk without it. It's made a HUGE difference in my life, while the pain doesn't go away, at least I'm not in agony. I don't know if he will continue to give them to me as he has the last 6 mths or so or not and that scares me, I don't know what I would do. Change docs most likely. I try not to take more than (2) 7.5 mg daily as they tend to make me feel yucky sometimes. I also want my Dr to know that I am aware of the dangers (I was married to an addict for 19 yrs, so I'm well aware) and it's not like I just started going to him when this agonizing pain started.

I'm of the mind that quality of life is of the most importance, otherwise what's the point? I don't want to be dependent on pain meds for the rest of my life, but I would rather be dependent on them than to have no quality of life at all if I had to make that choice. My oldest daughter does not even take a tylenol unless absolutely necessary and freaks out at the idea of me taking them (because of her dad) so she doesn't know. My youngest son does dabble in pot, I'm well aware of that and other than it being illegal, I don't have a problem w/that. (prolly puts me in the minority here, but that's ok!) He never touched a pill until he was hospitalized 5 yrs ago (@19 yrs old) with pneumonia and collapsed lungs. Now, I know that he will take some sort of pain pill if the opportunity arises, so he does not know that I have them either.

Completely O/T post, sorry about that! Just wanted to say that you are absolutely right, things like this makes it extremely difficult for those who really need the meds...

I hope you get to feeling better eventually. I have bad sinus problems (not to equate that with your problems) and the Jackasses!! who make meth have made it hard for me to get sudafed. :furious:

Hopefully AS has all her ducks in a row.

Forgive my ignorance but who is AS? :waitasec:

Search, despite Ron's stone cold 'I'm not skeered of anything' smirk in his booking shot, if they are not terrified..then they are fools imo..I think Ron's a wuss and I'm betting that fake facade of his crumbled the moment that pic was taken. I'm not counting on him talking though as I am more convinced than ever that HE is the one responsible for whatever happened HaLeigh, Misty's just covering up for her 'man' as all gangsta wannabe girlfriends are supposed to do. So he knows that he's going down bigtime if the truth is known imho. Misty will break I believe, I just wonder how long she can hold out..

The police cleared him of any involvement and he passed a lie detector test as well. I think if he knew where her body was he would want to give her a formal burial. I believe he loved that child a lot and is broken up by her disappearance. I think one reason MC is loathe to come forward is she fears what Ron would do to her. JMO

 

[southernvagirl]

The problem with some pain management Dr's and problem patients has been going on for awhile. I know there are patients that need their medication, my brother is one of them (severe degenerative arthritis). In fact he is in the hospital now recuperating from a spinal fusion to T8/T9/T10. They had to enter in the left chest and puncture a lung (chest tube insertion) and take a rib for the spinal fusion. He was on a vent, but is off now. The ortho Docs have told him that he will need meds for the rest of his life. He has had six spinal operations in ten years, more to come (they say).

I don't know what the full solution is, but I think the pain Dr's should make their patients come in for pill counts (in between visits and at random). Some good pain Dr's already do this, there are too many that don't. This would help to cut down on the bad traffic they get in their waiting rooms.

Last time off topic,,,,,,,
It is hard enough for people like me (for monthly visits)who cannot drive to the pain dr, once I take a dose,,,,,It is hard enough to have to get ready to go (bath,get dressed, then searching for someone to take me and then wait for me). To suggest more visits to this dr, more than I already do is just plain rediculous........My doctor does not get bad traffic in his waiting room....The people who are there are ligitimate.....It would seem to me,,,to catch a shopper of drugs,,,the pharmacies should pool their database of all who are prescribed narcotics.....When more than one doctor is prescibing the same thing,,,then the red flags should sound the alarm...

 

[Crosby87]

I'm sorry to hear that. It sounds very hard to deal with on a daily basis. Keep well.



I hope you get to feeling better eventually. I have bad sinus problems (not to equate that with your problems) and the Jackasses!! who make meth have made it hard for me to get sudafed. :furious:



Forgive my ignorance but who is AS? :waitasec:


The police cleared him of any involvement and he passed a lie detector test as well. I think if he knew where her body was he would want to give her a formal burial. I believe he loved that child a lot and is broken up by her disappearance. I think one reason MC is loathe to come forward is she fears what Ron would do to her. JMO

Ron's grandmother Annette Sykes.

 

[southernvagirl]

I went to see a new GP and part of the paperwork I was to sign stated "I would not ask for any kind of Pain Medication, if I do so, the patient privileges will be denied and I will no longer be a patient there. If You need pain medication you MUST SEE A PAIN MANAGEMENT DOCTOR. None will be prescribed at this office" I had to sign that to be see. I wasn't there for pain meds, I do have a pain management doctor, but that is how bad it is in FL. She had a glass bullet proof window and a steel door that buzzed you into the back to be seen. We have Drug stores held up all the time for Oxy! Doctors are just not prescribing the narcotics anymore because of these pushers.

Just one more O/T about the drug thing......My GP also told me (after my spine surgeon retired), he would NOT give me anything for the debilitaing pain I have everyday.......My GP has treated me for 20 years and knows very well what my state of health is in,,,,yet he denys me what he took an oath to do,,,,,,,help people in pain,,,,,,,That is why I spend sometimes 3 hours waiting to see my pain dr,,,because he is the only one in this town......Gp.Doctors who see these cases do NOT want to lose their licenses...so they don't even bother,,,,..they send their patients to pain drs.....Its people who talk through their noses,,,who know nothing about the relationship between a person and their PAIN,,,,who are out in left field , saying how this should be handled when they don't have a clue.....

 

[twall]

I'm sorry to hear that. It sounds very hard to deal with on a daily basis. Keep well.



I hope you get to feeling better eventually. I have bad sinus problems (not to equate that with your problems) and the Jackasses!! who make meth have made it hard for me to get sudafed. :furious:



Forgive my ignorance but who is AS? :waitasec:




The police cleared him of any involvement and he passed a lie detector test as well. I think if he knew where her body was he would want to give her a formal burial. I believe he loved that child a lot and is broken up by her disappearance. I think one reason MC is loathe to come forward is she fears what Ron would do to her. JMO

link to this information, please, by the police as you have indicated they have stated this.

 

[nomoresorrow]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan;
The police cleared him of any involvement and he passed a lie detector test as well. I think if he knew where her body was he would want to give her a formal burial. I believe he loved that child a lot and is broken up by her disappearance. I think one reason MC is loathe to come forward is she fears what Ron would do to her. JMO


:wave: Hi Steely Dan!

Actually LE has chosen their words very carefully stating that Ronald & Crystal aren't suspects - which does not mean that one can't become a suspect at some point. Another thing, LE isn't going to risk their investigation by prematurely naming a suspect before they get the "goods" so to say, thereby letting the person they suspect, and are more than likely surveilling, know that they're being looked at. Not sure if you recall but even Ron's attorney Shoemaker, on NG admitted that Ron indeed was on the list of suspects but LE supposedly had moved him to the bottom of the list. Here's a link and a snippet from the transcript (Aired September 8, 2009);

GRACE: Do you believe that law enforcement has officially cleared your client, Ronald Cummings, of anything to do with her disappearance?

SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html

ETA: As far as Ron passing a poly; Only Ronald has claimed that he passed with "flying colors." LE doesn't & hasn't commented on whether he passed or failed. Even Misty claimed publicly that she passed her poly despite the fact that it wasn't true - regardless LE never came forward to state otherwise... could be exactly the same with Ronald for all we know.

 

[kiki the parrot]

One comment on how easy it is to get narcotics. My husband needed a root canal, and he went to an endodontist for the procedure. The doctor gave him a prescription for 30 Vicodin for pain management following the procedure. But, my husband is one who never even gets local anesthesia except for root canals. Even then, he only takes the anesthesia because the dentist mandates it. Hubby does have a very high pain tolerance, that is true, as most people don't shun local anesthetics for dental procedures. Anyway, he never did get the prescription filled. But when he went for his 3 day follow-up the doc told him to call if he needed more pain meds. You should have seen the look on his face when he told the doc that he never even got the prescription filled!

Wow kat... that's one tough hombre... lol

arrot:

 

[Pondering Mind]

I'm sorry to hear that. It sounds very hard to deal with on a daily basis. Keep well.



I hope you get to feeling better eventually. I have bad sinus problems (not to equate that with your problems) and the Jackasses!! who make meth have made it hard for me to get sudafed. :furious:



Forgive my ignorance but who is AS? :waitasec:




The police cleared him of any involvement and he passed a lie detector test as well. I think if he knew where her body was he would want to give her a formal burial. I believe he loved that child a lot and is broken up by her disappearance. I think one reason MC is loathe to come forward is she fears what Ron would do to her. JMO

Hey Steely Dan!..Good to see you around. They were never cleared, as someone I believe has already posted and linked. LE chose their words very carefully and as far as I know no one except Ron has said that he passed a lie detector test. Speaking only for myself, things didn't add up from the very beginning in this case and have done nothing but go downhill ever since.

I'd like to say that hopefully R's or M's conscience will get the best of them, but I'm not convinced that they have one so now I'm praying that the confinement and withdrawals will lead to a break in the case and then to HaLeigh..jmho..


Thanks for the well wishes ...and back to ya!

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

Don't have a clue where to put this but would like to express my thoughts in reference to what I suspect has gone down with Ron C, Misty, TN and GGMS since last February...
I believe Ron C is responsible for whatever it is that happened to Haleigh, I also believe Misty knows what happend, and was present when the incident occurred... Its my opinion that Ron C or Misty also called his mother, and his grandmother, to tell them what had happened...
Seems to me plans for the coverup went into effect immediately in order to keep Ron C out of jail and to keep him from losing custody of Jr..
Almost a year later, we still don't know where Haleigh is due to all the lies that have been told by Ron C, Misty, TN and GGMS, but NOW Ron C is in jail, and hopefully for a long long time. And Crystal now has custody of Jr..

Right now.. I'm thinking Ron C wouldn't have received as much time in jail for whatever it was that happened to Haleigh as he most likely is facing now...

Their worst fears have become reality.. Their deceitfulness is in vain..

Hopefully they will come to this realization and now tell the truth about what really happened last February..JMO


The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry

:rose: I agree with you completely, Emeralgem. I believe that whatever happened to poor, sweet little Haleigh, happened at the hand of her father, probably after school, in front of Misty.

I do not believe reports that GGS brought over clothes around 7pm. Or, if she did, this was just a coverup. I do not believe that Tommy and the kids were over playing that afternoon. Or again, another coverup.

I believe the RUMORS that Ronald did not arrive at work until after 7 pm. I believe he was late because he was disposing of Haleigh's body off a bridge.

And last, I agree with criminal profiler Pat Brown, who contends that Ronald Cummings is a stone-cold psychopath.

jmo

 

[Steely Dan]

link to this information, please, by the police as you have indicated they have stated this.

Link

Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh's mother, are not considered suspects, police said.

Below nomoreesorrow has pointed out that we only have Ron's word that he passed. Which I forgot about.

Originally Posted by Steely Dan;
The police cleared him of any involvement and he passed a lie detector test as well. I think if he knew where her body was he would want to give her a formal burial. I believe he loved that child a lot and is broken up by her disappearance. I think one reason MC is loathe to come forward is she fears what Ron would do to her. JMO


:wave: Hi Steely Dan!

Actually LE has chosen their words very carefully stating that Ronald & Crystal aren't suspects - which does not mean that one can't become a suspect at some point. Another thing, LE isn't going to risk their investigation by prematurely naming a suspect before they get the "goods" so to say, thereby letting the person they suspect, and are more than likely surveilling, know that they're being looked at. Not sure if you recall but even Ron's attorney Shoemaker, on NG admitted that Ron indeed was on the list of suspects but LE supposedly had moved him to the bottom of the list. Here's a link and a snippet from the transcript (Aired September 8, 2009);

GRACE: Do you believe that law enforcement has officially cleared your client, Ronald Cummings, of anything to do with her disappearance?

SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html

ETA: As far as Ron passing a poly; Only Ronald has claimed that he passed with "flying colors." LE doesn't & hasn't commented on whether he passed or failed. Even Misty claimed publicly that she passed her poly despite the fact that it wasn't true - regardless LE never came forward to state otherwise... could be exactly the same with Ronald for all we know.

Thanks for your help on that. :thumb:

 

[nomoresorrow]

Anytime Steely - and it's good to see ya!