General Discussion and Theories #2

[Blomquist]

Lets hope the full truth about it all comes out...and I suspect it may. Then and only then shall we have all of the information that can lead to true justice.

 

[dizzy1]

Lol reporters wording. First bold in report can confuse reader to believe this was a massive illegal chop shop business going on, but their wording means, because the hangar was massive/giant in size. As you continue to read the article, you discover there was less than ten vehicles found in the hangar. Who's to say these vehicles did not belong to DM, WM, or friends. Chop shops want to keep vehicles and parts coming and going at a quick rate but I would say ten is a minute amount for big time operation. To me it just appears DM and MS, possibly one or two others were just into stealing vehicles and the hangar was the most convienient/obvious/suitable place to dismantle and store them. I don't believe there were many people involved in this chop shop. Just a couple low life scumbags who enjoyed tinkering with vehicles. MOO

Police say they've found evidence that suggests a hangar at the Region of Waterloo International Airport owned by Dellen Millard was being used as a giant "chop shop" for stolen vehicles.

Hamilton police confirmed Thursday they're investigating multiple stolen vehicles and parts found inside the massive Breslau hangar.

There were a number of vehicles and/or parts found in the hangar and this remains under investigation," Constable Debbie McGreal-Dinning said in an email.

Police say they're still trying to track down owners of the discovered vehicles, putting the number found at fewer than 10.

The description of vehicles dismantled, repainted and having serial numbers ground away fits with a "typical chop shop," said Waterloo Regional Police Inspector Kevin Thaler.

Chop shop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I totally agree Swedie, most pics we've been able to see suggest DM and his posse were totally into vehicles, be it racing them, building them, or just plain working on them. Since there were so few parts/vehicles found in the hangar, they were most likely running the chop shop for their own pleasure. IMO, it would be very interesting to know who the motorcycle trailer was registered to within hours after it was stolen.....MOO MOO MOO

In Marty's case, the bike was in dozens of pieces. Serial numbers had been shaved away and the trailer had already been registered as a homemade trailer within hours after the theft.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/30/stolen-harley-found-on-property-of-accused-tim-bosma-killer

 

[swedie]

I totally agree Swedie, most pics we've been able to see suggest DM and his posse were totally into vehicles, be it racing them, building them, or just plain working on them. Since there were so few parts/vehicles found in the hangar, they were most likely running the chop shop for their own pleasure. IMO, it would be very interesting to know who the motorcycle trailer was registered to within hours after it was stolen.....MOO MOO MOO



http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/30/stolen-harley-found-on-property-of-accused-tim-bosma-killer

I figure once dear old dad died, all hell broke loose. No one to keep tabs on DM and what went on at the hangar. DM cancelled the lease and let go of any who may have been employed by his father at the hangar. He was now free to play all he wanted with his buddies and no one to keep tabs on him and boss him around. No one to control how how money was spent. Of course DM was generous with friends. Why wouldn't he be? After all it was dad's money he was using to keep friends around.

I will not be surprised if DM ends up being charged with his father's death. Although I think that is going to be a difficult case to prove, especially being he had his father cremated. My feeling is, is that there was a lot of tension going on between father and son and DM's lack of interest in the business during the building phase of the new hangar. I'll have to go to the other thread to confirm when DM purchased the one condo. I feel this was DM's main living quarters and not at home with his father. He may have bounced back and forth between the two places while his father was alive, then making his father's home his home once dad was gone. Good old dad was the one who financed all of DM's purchases, as DM wasn't employed outside his father's business that we are aware of. Of course unless he was making money through illegal activities. He would have been on the payroll, which means his money was coming out of dad's pocket. And I would not be surprised to find out a friend or two of DM's were also on the payroll per DM's say so. All just my speculation and opinion of course.

And JMO about the purchase of properties was a way of investing money for safe guarding should the hangar business go belly up. Money was borrowed against the hangar business to purchase these properties.

 

[Blomquist]

Yes, I just posted that link. It does show that there was someone else who thought they could carry on quite well without DM.

JMO

Maybe someone who was using an email like Dell.Millard@ -------.com ?? Would make sense for someone who is up to something to order via that email if supplies are going to a MillardAir hangar ! JMO

 

[Blomquist]

Pure fabrication IMO doesn't help solve a case..... much of the rental business at the hangars was happening when WM was alive....some of the photo shoots were in 2005.... thats when CM was alive, so how can anyone suggest DM let loose after his dad died ? IMO his dad was very much alive when the hangars were rented. Not only that ...the so called stolen Harley was stolen last Fall....so WM was probably still alive then too IMO.

DM is 27 he was 27 when his dad died....are we really supposed to believe that his dad kept tabs on him at 27 and bossed him around ? I have a 27 year old son and I would not dream of bossing him around and keeping tabs on him, he's a grown man !!!!

DM had his own money, the farm is in his name and it was viewed alongside his dad and bought solely by DM....whilst his dad was alive....so how can anyone come to the conclusion that DM didnt have any money? Not only that I imagine we can pull up the will of CM (it is public record) and see if CM left money to DM.

http://globalnews.ca/news/561827/who-is-dellen-millard/

“At the time he seemed like a nice enough young man, was reasonably good to do business with, very business-like in his approach to buying property,” Nicholson said

Agent says he was doing business with Dellen !!!!!!!!!!!!!

And yes it is just someones speculation that money was borrowed against the hangar for DM's properties...as we have not seen any facts to support that claim.

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[Curiositykitten]

Maybe someone who was using an email like Dell.Millard@ -------.com ?? Would make sense for someone who is up to something to order via that email if supplies are going to a MillardAir hangar ! JMO

How does it make sense?

The cops know about that account and are probably monitoring it.

This case was highly publicized so there's a possibility that the email recipients would be totally freaked out to receive an email from Dellen Millard.

 

[Curiositykitten]

Pure fabrication IMO doesn't help solve a case..... much of the rental business at the hangar was happening when WM was alive....some of the photo shoots were in 2005.... thats when CM was alive, so how can anyone suggest DM let loose after his dad died ? IMO his dad was very much alive when the hangar was rented. Not only that ...the so called stolen Harley was stolen last Fall....so WM was probably still alive then too IMO.

DM is 27 he was 27 when his dad died....are we really supposed to believe that his dad kept tabs on him at 27 and bossed him around ? I have a 27 year old son and I would not dream of bossing him around and keeping tabs on him, he's a grown man !!!!

DM had his own money, the farm is in his name and it was viewed alongside his dad and bought solely by DM....whilst his dad was alive....so how can anyone come to the conclusion that DM didnt have any money? Not only that I imagine we can pull up the will of CM (it is public record) and see if CM left money to DM.

And yes it is just someones speculation that money was borrowed against the hangar for DM's properties...as we have not seen any facts to support that claim.

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You seem to be mixing up several different hangars. The Millards had three hangars at Pearson -- two old ones and a new one. The new one is leased out or was until recently (it might have been sold). The two old ones were pretty much non-functioning in the decade before they were demolished. That's why they could film movies there and do other stuff.

The Waterloo hangar was completed last year at a cost of millions to house an MRO. It was never rented out when Wayne was alive.

<modsnip>DM took TB for a test drive from which he never returned. The body was found on DM's incinerator-equipped farm, the truck at DM's mother's.

Most people here choose to reserve their sympathy for TB.

 

[Snoofo]

Lets hope the full truth about it all comes out...and I suspect it may. Then and only then shall we have all of the information that can lead to true justice.

Amen sister/brother.

 

[Blomquist]

You seem to be mixing up several different hangars. The Millards had three hangars at Pearson -- two old ones and a new one. The new one is leased out or was until recently (it might have been sold). The two old ones were pretty much non-functioning in the decade before they were demolished. That's why they could film movies there and do other stuff.

The Waterloo hangar was completed last year at a cost of millions to house an MRO. It was never rented out when Wayne was alive.
<modsnip>DM took TB for a test drive from which he never returned. The body was found on his incinerator-equipped farm, the truck at DM's mother's.

Most people here choose to reserve their sympathy for TB.

I believe the so called stolen Harley was at the new hangar ?? that was last Fall wasn't it that it was allegedly stolen...? I believe it (new hangar) never got major contracts due to the inability of AS who failed to secure contracts, thus prompting DM to question AS as to why? Regardless of which hangar, I was referring to any of them... renting of hangars was happening when WM was alive IMO...so why chastise DM for renting out his own hangars?

<modsnip>

I have sympathy for victims..... not just murder victims...even victims that are wrongfully accused. They and their families are hurt too when this happens. I believe in researching from a presumption of innocence standpoint...not a 'hang him, hang him' standpoint.... I have no time for bloodlust be it a murder or a public witch hunt. JMO

 

[Woodland]

Pure fabrication IMO doesn't help solve a case.....

DM had his own money, the farm is in his name and it was viewed alongside his dad and bought solely by DM....whilst his dad was alive....so how can anyone come to the conclusion that DM didnt have any money? Not only that I imagine we can pull up the will of CM (it is public record) and see if CM left money to DM.

'...bought solely by DM...'?

Or bought for DM?

Who laid down the cash?

Either way do you have a link BQ?

 

[Curiositykitten]

I believe the so called stolen Harley was at the new hangar ?? that was last Fall wasn't it that it was allegedly stolen...? I believe it (new hangar) never got major contracts due to the inability of AS who failed to secure contracts, thus prompting DM to question AS as to why? Regardless of which hangar, I was referring to any of them... renting of hangars was happening when WM was alive IMO...so why chastise DM for renting out his own hangars?

This is turning into a witch hunt for DM IMO..... I guess thats why its so hard to find suitable jurors these days as many have preformed opinions, and have decided on the verdict months...if not years before a trial even gets off the ground. JMO

I have sympathy for victims..... not just murder victims...even victims that are wrongfully accused. They and their families are hurt too when this happens. I believe in researching from a presumption of innocence standpoint...not a 'hang him, hang him' standpoint.... I have no time for bloodlust be it a murder or a public witch hunt. JMO

Yesterday Swedie published a very helpful list of the types of cases that are more likely to result in wrongful convictions.

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They don't have much in common with this case.

 

[Blomquist]

Yesterday Swedie published a very helpful list of the types of cases that are more likely to result in wrongful convictions.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - General Discussion and Theories #2

They don't have much in common with this case.

That may be yours and Swedies opinion.... thank you for that

 

[Alethea Dice]

Maybe someone who was using an email like Dell.Millard@ -------.com ?? Would make sense for someone who is up to something to order via that email if supplies are going to a MillardAir hangar ! JMO

That's possible as well. In the link that Pink Panther and myself posted, that employee seems to have shown up in person. Obviously, LE knows who this person was and I also have my own thoughts on that. However, it would still be nice to hear the reasons why that employee thought that business was going to carry on "as usual".

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

'...bought solely by DM...'?

Or bought for DM?

Who laid down the cash?

Either way do you have a link BQ?

Nicholson, 66, helped sell the farm in North Dumfries to Dellen Millard in 2011.

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Nicholson recalls that events moved quickly in the spring of 2011. A few months earlier, Dellen Millard had called Nicholson from 2548 Roseville Rd., dialing the number on the For Sale sign and introducing himself.

Millard explained his interest in the farm, a 46-hectare property with an old barn, but no residence. Nicholson met him to walk the property. Millard eventually explained that he planned to build a house there for himself and his fiancée. “He was discussing, ‘where do you think is a good spot?’ ”

They met several times at the farm, joined sometimes by Dellen’s father Wayne Millard, president of family business Millardair. The father has since passed away.

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In May 2011, Dellen Millard bought the farm without conditions, a cash sale. It was listed for $899,000 and he purchased it for $835,000 from an older man who had raised livestock in the barn.

http://metronews.ca/news/kitchener/674559/dellen-millards-hangar-from-jetliners-to-police-tape/

 

[Alethea Dice]

Yesterday Swedie published a very helpful list of the types of cases that are more likely to result in wrongful convictions.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - General Discussion and Theories #2

They don't have much in common with this case.

There are only three things on that list that we even know at this point. We know they are younger defendents, we know one has a criminal history while the other doesn't, and we know there is a "punitive" state culture. The rest are impossible to know until it goes to trial. Two out of three isn't bad.

JMO

 

[Woodland]

With all due respect Alethea Dice, there is no mention of who put down the cash for the farm - it could have been DM, WM or someone else.

 

[lanman]

I'm not suggesting in any way this has any links with this case, but it is a very interesting story.

http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2012/09/24/mro-hangar-occupied-by-first-customer/

 

[dizzy1]

And JMO about the purchase of properties was a way of investing money for safe guarding should the hangar business go belly up. Money was borrowed against the hangar business to purchase these properties.

Funny you should mention the business going belly up Swedie, I just stumbled on this wikipedia page, and don't recall ever hearing about the business going bankrupt in 1990.

In 1970 the DC-3s were used to fly passengers on third-level services, and in 1972 the four-engined Douglas DC-4 joined the company's fleet. Some of the DC-3s were exchanged for Douglas C-117 Super Dakota, and operations continued until finding slots at Toronto airport became difficult and operations ceased due to bankruptcy on 31 May 1990.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millardair

 

[Blomquist]

With all due respect Alethea Dice, there is no mention of who put down the cash for the farm - it could have been DM, WM or someone else.

Regardless of who put down the money (although the agent did say he was doing business with Dellen !!!!) what does it really matter where it came from? So what if his dad put up the money...maybe he did maybe he didnt.... the property has been in DM's name from the outset. Therefore even IF his dad put up the money he obviously did so FOR Dellen IMO.
Dellen being the sole heir was probably well taken care of within the business and personally....it doesn't mean he was spending his fathers money....it was given to him....therefore it's his....imo

 

[Alethea Dice]

With all due respect Alethea Dice, there is no mention of who put down the cash for the farm - it could have been DM, WM or someone else.

Well, it says he helped sell the farm to "Dellen", it says "Dellen" bought the farm, he met with "Dellen" (and sometimes Wayne). If you want to believe otherwise, you're certainly entitled to. I don't really know why it matters. It's still Dellen's farm.

JMO