General Discussion and Theories #3

[Archangel7]

I think she was pretty clear in the article that she was expressing her opinions. JMO

What would be the reasoning for HPD to provide TPS with a list of what they found and where? They were investigating a different case and apparently, according to the article, didn't even know TPS was going there ahead of time.

And how would they reach the same conclusion when, again, they were investigating two different cases? TPS wasn't looking for anything that would confirm that HPD reached the right conclusion.

JMO

HPD and TPS may wish to share or know each other's info that may shed light on each other's case. Then again, there may be no need to.

One minute the posts are questioning why they didn't cooperate or phone call, etc., then when a possible explanation is put forth that they may have, it is questioned.... why would they cooperate, "it's two different cases"? Flip/flop

Several here have posted early in this case about how certain LE "must be" that they have the correct perps in this arrest and prosecution of DM(as if there is any doubt). Then when an agency duplicates a search and investigation from another agency(which would tend to enforce the possibility of DM's guilt or possibly highlight problems with it) there are then those concerned they didn't verbally collaborate..........but if they collaborate(gang up) then it would be be a "frame up/railroad job"........ flip/flop

Will it make a difference if TPS and HPD showed courtesy to one another in the case? Not likely.

Which way is it exactly. There is a need to collaborate or it doesn't matter, or some just feel strongly both ways. lol

What is your opinion on the importance one way or the other wrt TPS notifying HPD they are going to Waterloo, which was the original subject?

 

[Snoofo]

.......rsbm

Maybe there was a phone call between Chiefs, etc. Or maybe Hamilton issued or TO obtained a report of what HPD found or an inventory list of what evidence was seized and where?

How long was Susan Clairvoyant a cop or a mind reader? What she "thinks" a LE agency's protocol or policy is or should be is just that, an opinion.

Not following social protocol on courtesy notifications, dealing with cross jurisdictional issues, is just that. It just further portrays/reflects poorly on how Blair's management skill is viewed, IMO.

That said, social/professional correctness is a goodly stretch from a questionable investigation. Whether the same ground is
re inspected/re investigated is also irrelevant, doctors rerun workups/tests, mechanics rerun, so do other positions of service.

Technically speaking, as mentioned before, TPS owes no jurisdictional explanation to HPD when TPS is working in Waterloo.

The issue Susan highlighted was/can be resolved with Carbone and Kavanaugh over the phone or by courier if in fact it is a reality.

Besides who were the ones posting that the police must be sure the correct perp is caught and prosecuted lest the real murderer go free? Wouldn't that take unbiased eyes looking at the same ground over again and if the same conclusion is reached, independently, well, well, well..........

Actually she is not a Clairvoyant in name or in practice. She's Clairmont. One of the positive parts of this case for me was discovering her reporting (on many cases, not just this one). SC is a multiple-award winning crime writer and veteran at the Hamilton Spec, which leads me to believe her contacts at Hamilton LE are solid. If you look her up, you will also find she is a highly regarded and respected crime writer. She won journalist of the year in 2012 from the National Newspaper Awards and won the provincial prize for Feature Writing this year. If you had the time to look, you might be impressed. She's not a kooky Nancy Grace and I think she writes carefully.

Maybe the points you made did happen, and there was some senior-level communication but the article clearly states Hamilton first heard of the search through the media and my guess is that was senior-level information.

Just to prove she is not all pro-Hamilton and anti-Toronto, she recently wrote this (which you may find interesting) http://m.insidehalton.com/opinion-s...n-the-door-for-asking-police-chief-questions/

And, last but not least, in my researching SC this evening I found this article from last week which I'd never seen before. Was it posted on WS?
Nothing we didnt know except the inclusion of these two lines:

She is the wife of Tim, a happy, healthy 32-year-old Ancaster father who was allegedly abducted, killed and incinerated by Millard, who is charged with first degree murder. It appears to have stemmed from a test drive of Tim's truck that went terribly, terribly wrong.

(Keep in mind for reasons stated above, I believe SC has reliable LE connections to state the foregoing as she did. She even seems to have refrained from saying too much in other TB-related columns, if you ask me.)
1) would she use the term incinerated if an actual incinerator was not used?
2) a test drive that went terribly, terribly wrong...sounds like this is the belief, not premeditated murder. Unless she is speaking from the victim's perpective only, that the test drive he thought he was going on went terribly wrong. My feeling is it didn't have the outcome anybody expected.
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...in-court-as-co-accused-make-brief-appearance/
My apologies if this was posted last week. I didn't notice it until this evening.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Actually she is not a Clairvoyant in name or in practice. She's Clairmont. One of the positive parts of this case for me was discovering her reporting (on many cases, not just this one). SC is a multiple-award winning crime writer and veteran at the Hamilton Spec, which leads me to believe her contacts at Hamilton LE are solid. If you look her up, you will also find she is a highly regarded and respected crime writer. She won journalist of the year in 2012 from the National Newspaper Awards and won the provincial prize for Feature Writing this year. If you had the time to look, you might be impressed. She's not a kooky Nancy Grace and I think she writes carefully.

Maybe the points you made did happen, and there was some senior-level communication but the article clearly states Hamilton first heard of the search through the media and my guess is that was senior-level information.

Just to prove she is not all pro-Hamilton and anti-Toronto, she recently wrote this (which you may find interesting) http://m.insidehalton.com/opinion-s...n-the-door-for-asking-police-chief-questions/

And, last but not least, in my researching SC this evening I found this article from last week which I'd never seen before. Was it posted on WS?
Nothing we didnt know except the inclusion of these two lines:

(Keep in mind for reasons stated above, I believe SC has reliable LE connections to state the foregoing as she did. She even seems to have refrained from saying too much in other TB-related columns, if you ask me.)
1) would she use the term incinerated if an actual incinerator was not used?
2) a test drive that went terribly, terribly wrong...sounds like this is the belief, not premeditated murder. Unless she is speaking from the victim's perpective only, that the test drive he thought he was going on went terribly wrong. My feeling is it didn't have the outcome anybody expected.
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...in-court-as-co-accused-make-brief-appearance/
My apologies if this was posted last week. I didn't notice it until this evening.

You make it sound like some sort of random misadventure that happened to everyone involved, not just Tim. Like he tripped and fell into the incinerator or something. As gets posted many times on WS--if it was an accident, call 911.

 

[hopingforjustice]

Actually, wouldn't Hamilton's only jurisdictional work with Toronto be on the TB case and that the suspects were from TO jurisdiction right?

The LB, DM tie along with the Ayr farm would be Waterloo and Toronto right?

So why would Hamilton care if TO and Waterloo were working a different case concerning their(TO & Waterloo) respective/combined jurisdictions?

Or more to the point, why would TO formally notify Hamilton that they would be working in Waterloo jurisdiction?

Maybe I have the agencies' borders wrong, aren't the players TPS(TO), HPD(Hamilton), WRPS(Waterloo) and BPD(brantford) and possibly OPP?

I can envision some potential issues in this kind of multi-jurisdictional crime but it would make sense for the OPP to foresee, oversee and coordinate this kind of protocol. However the G20 wasn't much testament to combined executable knowledge, protocol, efficiencies and execution was it?

First off..I thank you for helping us all through this with your knowledge. As for this post. I agree with your logic entirely..however I have to ask...
Why wouldn't they?
Just out of courtesy if nothing else..
I know in your business there are separate "unions" and political garbage like there is in any business..but at the end of the day are you not all on the same page to take garbage off the streets? And I guess the wonder here is being as there are so many unanswered questions, does it not seem more right than wrong that all minds should be in collaboration to solve all these riddles?

I truly do thank you for your inputs...Just trying to understand the process...

 

[Alethea Dice]

HPD and TPS may wish to share or know each other's info that may shed light on each other's case. Then again, there may be no need to.

One minute the posts are questioning why they didn't cooperate or phone call, etc., then when a possible explanation is put forth that they may have, it is questioned.... why would they cooperate, "it's two different cases"? Flip/flop

Several here have posted early in this case about how certain LE "must be" that they have the correct perps in this arrest and prosecution of DM(as if there is any doubt). Then when an agency duplicates a search and investigation from another agency(which would tend to enforce the possibility of DM's guilt or possibly highlight problems with it) there are then those concerned they didn't verbally collaborate..........but if they collaborate(gang up) then it would be be a "frame up/railroad job"........ flip/flop

Will it make a difference if TPS and HPD showed courtesy to one another in the case? Not likely.

Which way is it exactly. There is a need to collaborate or it doesn't matter, or some just feel strongly both ways. lol

What is your opinion on the importance one way or the other wrt TPS notifying HPD they are going to Waterloo, which was the original subject?

It would seem they didn't share the fact that TPS would be doing another search, since two things mentioned in that article that are not opinion are that HPD learned about the TPS trip to the farm through the media and that TPS did not mention HPD in their news conference, although they did mention the other two forces.

IMO, there would be no reason to hand a list of evidence found (in a different case) to TPS, however, HPD could perhaps have provided some information to them if they had know they were going to the farm. No flip/flop there.

I don't see how TPS, investigating a different case, would enforce HPD's conclusions unless they just happened to find something that HPD missed.

but if they collaborate(gang up) then it would be be a "frame up/railroad job"........

Who said that??? Apparently I missed that one. Flip/flop???

Perhaps it wasn't important for HPD to know that TPS was going to the farm. But perhaps it may have potentially been beneficial to TPS to have some communication beforehand.

JMO

 

[Snoofo]

You make it sound like some sort of random misadventure that happened to everyone involved, not just Tim. Like he tripped and fell into the incinerator or something. As gets posted many times on WS--if it was an accident, call 911.

The columnist reported it seems to have been a test drive that went terribly, terribly wrong. I am giving an interpretation of that. If it was a murder plot that was successful and the targeted victim was murdered as planned, I do not think she would call it a test drive that went terribly, terribly wrong. I suggested all involved may not have expected that outcome. If they didnt set out to kill anyone when they left home that night, then they would not have expected to have a dead man on their hands by 10pm. JMO. If you interpret that opinion as my suggesting an accidental slip and fall, then I believe your interpretation is the one that is flawed. In case you missed it, I also provided an alternative interpretation to what SC may have meant. Again, it would appear based on her position she is the one with insider LE info, not I, nor you.

I am not your ears, therefore I don't "make it sound" anything. Especially with the written word, the reader chooses the tone he or she wants to hear.

 

[skatergirl]

There is an article stating that Hamilton was aware of the most recent search of the farm

According to Deb McGreal-Dinning, spokesperson for Hamilton Police Service — which is handling the Bosma murder investigation — were aware of but not involved in the search on Monday.

http://www.durhamregion.com/news-st...ice-back-at-farm-where-bosma-s-remains-found/

HTH

 

[Alethea Dice]

There is an article stating that Hamilton was aware of the most recent search of the farm


http://www.durhamregion.com/news-st...ice-back-at-farm-where-bosma-s-remains-found/

HTH

Thanks for that, skatergirl. Looking back at the first posted article by Susan Clairmont, I see it was written on June 5th, so it is the first search by TPS that she is referring to that HPD was not aware of.

http://m.thespec.com/news-story/3255379-clairmont-where-questions-trump-answers/

 

[Snoofo]

HPD and TPS may wish to share or know each other's info that may shed light on each other's case. Then again, there may be no need to.

One minute the posts are questioning why they didn't cooperate or phone call, etc., then when a possible explanation is put forth that they may have, it is questioned.... why would they cooperate, "it's two different cases"? Flip/flop

Several here have posted early in this case about how certain LE "must be" that they have the correct perps in this arrest and prosecution of DM(as if there is any doubt). Then when an agency duplicates a search and investigation from another agency(which would tend to enforce the possibility of DM's guilt or possibly highlight problems with it) there are then those concerned they didn't verbally collaborate..........but if they collaborate(gang up) then it would be be a "frame up/railroad job"........ flip/flop

Will it make a difference if TPS and HPD showed courtesy to one another in the case? Not likely.

Which way is it exactly. There is a need to collaborate or it doesn't matter, or some just feel strongly both ways. lol

What is your opinion on the importance one way or the other wrt TPS notifying HPD they are going to Waterloo, which was the original subject?

Now you've lost me.

In the first flip/flop above, unless you think Alethea Dice and I are one and the same, there is no flip/flop.

Second flip/flop: I have no idea who or what you are talking about. I dont know that anybody has accused HPS and/or TPS of a frame/set up.

 

[Snoofo]

There is an article stating that Hamilton was aware of the most recent search of the farm


http://www.durhamregion.com/news-st...ice-back-at-farm-where-bosma-s-remains-found/

HTH

Thank you for the link.
To be clear the earlier Spectator article was referring to the first TPS search shortly after the HPS search.
(Oops I see I basically copied AD's reply).

 

[skatergirl]

Thanks for that, skatergirl. Looking back at the first posted article by Susan Clairmont, I see it was written on June 5th, so it is the first search by TPS that she is referring to that HPD was not aware of.

http://m.thespec.com/news-story/3255379-clairmont-where-questions-trump-answers/

Yes, that is what I recall, that HPD was unaware of the first search, for whatever reason, but this most recent one, they(HPD) were all 'in the know'

 

[Arnie M]

.... (snip) ... I noticed that the last purchase (or at least the last feedback he's had) was while WM was still alive. Maybe some of the purchases were for WM. The model plane was one of the last ones used by MillardAir before they went bankrupt in 1990. ... (snip) ...
JMO

Hi AD

Not a big deal , but there are never any actual plane models for sale as shown by the ebay seller

What the seller does is take thousands of publicly available photographs of thousands of aircraft and photoshops them onto a wooden base to make them look like a desk ornament.

Then , if someone actually orders one , they go into the back room and have their staff actually carve out a facsimile (usually from wood) (usually in the Philippines) and then ship it to the customer.

They are decent honest craftsmen who usually reveal this info in their fine print ...... but it often comes as a surprise to the customer when they receive the model ..... it is not nearly as nice and detailed as the photoshopped advertisement was.

It is usually affluent pilots or aircraft owners who purchase them because they often sell for $200 up to well over a $1000.

For a brief instant the pilot feels suckered .... then he sees it as an art-form (which it really is) .... and then spends the rest of his life boasting about his "one of a kind hand carved replica"

You are probably correct AD , the model was likely a gift for WM or someone associated with MA (retiree)

 

[Arnie M]

Trusting the MSM (or not)

I have not seen this posted elsewhere and found it interesting ..... the rental yacht owner said one thing and the media sensationalized it to say something else (typical)

If any of us did that we would be called liars. If MSM does it they call it news reporting. Go figure.

LITTLE CURRENT—Following the media circus that broke from The Expositor’s May 29 front page story regarding Manitoulin’s connection to accused murderer Dellen Millard, Chris Blodgett, proprietor of Discovery Yacht Charters, the man who first told his tale to The Expositor of renting a charter yacht to Mr. Millard in 2011, has since been left dizzy with attention and also with a bad taste in his mouth. ...........

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.......... “Immediately after The Expositor ran the information that I shared, that same day a story came out in the Hamilton Spectator that stated I saw ‘large amounts of blood around the boat rented by Dellen Millard, owner Chris Blodgett says’,” Mr. Blodgett explained. “That is when the fear set in because I never said anything remotely close to that statement, to anybody, ever. I was then hounded by the Toronto Star (among many others) who basically threatened me by saying they intended to run the same story unless I spoke with them and gave them a new story. I hoped that if I just stopped responding to their emails and phone calls that they would leave me alone. At the same time I told the CBC that while the information reported in The Expositor was accurate, I would decline any further comment.” .....

Full article here http://www.manitoulin.ca/2013/06/05...onal-media-police-in-assisting-millard-probe/

 

[Archangel7]

I often wondered about how that worked on the plane order.

Yes we saw the vast difference in what was actual and what was reported in MSM. Pretty incredible.

 

[Arnie M]

The best source of accurate reports are pilots , they are in every city in the world , over every ocean in the world , in the arctic and the antarctic , in the war zones and peace zones , pilots are observant , accurate , factual , and careful.

And of course helicopter pilots have the best seat in the house , they are awesome and always tell the truth .... just ask one

 

[Arnie M]

Hopefully the moderators have a sense of humor today and allow this helicopter pilot animation video .... (please please)

After all DM news is slow recently ... hope it makes you smile

Language warning

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu_leZE76VE"]Helicopters vs. Jets *ORIGINAL* - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Archangel7]

The best source of accurate reports are pilots , they are in every city in the world , over every ocean in the world , in the arctic and the antarctic , in the war zones and peace zones , pilots are observant , accurate , factual , and careful.

And of course helicopter pilots have the best seat in the house , they are awesome and always tell the truth .... just ask one

While all that is true, I always worry if my wings are moving faster than my fuselage. That's why I never liked helos too much. Lol

 

[Arnie M]

While all that is true, I always worry if my wings are moving faster than my fuselage. That's why I never liked helos too much. Lol

It gets even worse .... the wingtips (rotor blades) are "flying" at about 400 mph in a stationary hover .... then at a helicopter fuselege speed of 100 mph the advancing blade is traveling 500 mph (airspeed) and the retreating blade "sees" 300 mph airspeed ... yet they are fastened to the same shaft .... go figure ....

Still , they are the best seat in the house .... all those news crews and cameras didn't get up there all by themselves ....

I had a short clip of DM getting ready for a flight but it was removed because of the (private) source. ... clue ..... AM on FB

By the way I am not that AM .... I am a different one .... (in case anyone jumps to seclusion)

But I have been in the machine in my avatar .... that is how we deliver donuts to you fixed wing guys at the lake

Fly safe

It should be mentioned that for DM to solo a helicopter at age 14 was quite an accomplishment .... too bad his life took some wrong turns.

 

[bessie]

Trusting the MSM (or not)

I have not seen this posted elsewhere and found it interesting ..... the rental yacht owner said one thing and the media sensationalized it to say something else (typical)

If any of us did that we would be called liars. If MSM does it they call it news reporting. Go figure.


Full article here http://www.manitoulin.ca/2013/06/05...onal-media-police-in-assisting-millard-probe/

Actually, Arnie, we have an entire thread on the subject. I believe I captured all of the various versions in this post.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9521738&postcount=158"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Blood Aboard the "Yacht"[/ame]

 

[Snoofo]

The best source of accurate reports are pilots , they are in every city in the world , over every ocean in the world , in the arctic and the antarctic , in the war zones and peace zones , pilots are observant , accurate , factual , and careful.

And of course helicopter pilots have the best seat in the house , they are awesome and always tell the truth .... just ask one

That's funny. DM is a pilot.
I gather you wouldnt include him in that soaring testimonial, but I am surprised you didn't single him out either as being the one pilot that sucked.

Unless you are lying about always telling the truth! :drumroll: