General Discussion and Theories #4

[SnooperDuper]

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Or also unbeknownst to us, it's sitting in an evidence locker.

I second that, either intact or melted into electronic incinerate. SL may not want it back in that second case.

IF LE actually has the intact iPad, DM's goose is cooked: its GPS tracking function would show wherever it had been.

Was the DI request a hint that LE has strong evidence like this?

Imagine if DM had given the iPad as a gift to an unsuspecting CN! It would be trackable as she used it too.

 

[Juballee]

Or imagine if LB had sold the ipad to someone for that shoebox of money? How will LE be able to prove how it came to be in anyone's possession? The ipad may be able to say where it has been, if it still exists, but it cannot tell you how it got there, whether it was given consensually, bought secondhand or stolen.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Or imagine if LB had sold the ipad to someone for that shoebox of money? How will LE be able to prove how it came to be in anyone's possession? The ipad may be able to say where it has been, if it still exists, but it cannot tell you how it got there, whether it was given consensually, bought secondhand or stolen.

Well first off that would make LB a thief passing on stolen goods. Would anyone in good conscience really buy stolen goods off of her when they know the goods came from a friend in their own circle?

I guess some people have no qualms about possessing stolen goods

If someone held the stolen goods and has not been charged with possession of stolen property, I guess then that this evidence is being used instead to bolster the LB case. Very similar to the Harley/trailer situation.

 

[Tamarind]

Well first off that would make LB a thief passing on stolen goods. Would anyone in good conscience really buy stolen goods off of her when they know the goods came from a friend in their own circle?

How would anyone know if second hand goods were stolen? Who says it is sold for sure and why would she necessarily sell within her own circle of friends?

I guess some people have no qualms about possessing stolen goods

Some people may not know they possess stolen goods. Even things bought at stores could be stolen for that matter.

If someone held the stolen goods and has not been charged with possession of stolen property, I guess then that this evidence is being used instead to bolster the LB case. Very similar to the Harley/trailer situation.

It is not a given that the laptop is being held as evidence. It is just one of many possibilities. Not at all similar to HD case IMO.

 

[Tamarind]

I second that, either intact or melted into electronic incinerate. SL may not want it back in that second case.

IF LE actually has the intact iPad, DM's goose is cooked: its GPS tracking function would show wherever it had been.

Was the DI request a hint that LE has strong evidence like this?

Imagine if DM had given the iPad as a gift to an unsuspecting CN! It would be trackable as she used it too.

Why would DM's goose be cooked? If the laptop had a tracker, (which I believe I read that SL said it didn't), then it would only show where the laptop had been, not where anyone else had been. If CN had been using that laptop and knew she had incriminated herself completely I would imagine she would have taken a plea deal by now. JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

How would anyone know if second hand goods were stolen? Who says it is sold for sure and why would she necessarily sell within her own circle of friends?

Well Juballee says the iPad may have been sold. You would know that electronic goods are stolen because they are full of other people's data and they may not work on your network due to blacklisting.

Some people may not know they possess stolen goods. Even things bought at stores could be stolen for that matter.

Really, I can buy a stolen iPad full of someone's info at Best Buy?

It is not a given that the laptop is being held as evidence. It is just one of many possibilities. Not at all similar to HD case IMO.

I am saying if no one was charged with stolen property over the missing iPad, and IF LE found it, it is likely because they want that evidence to support the LB case.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Why would DM's goose be cooked? If the laptop had a tracker, (which I believe I read that SL said it didn't), then it would only show where the laptop had been, not where anyone else had been. If CN had been using that laptop and knew she had incriminated herself completely I would imagine she would have taken a plea deal by now. JMO

The police refused to track the iPad, which is not a laptop. Yes, iPads track their GPS locations by design. There is no way for the iPad to not "have a tracker" (i.e., not have GPS functionality).

If the iPad was tracked to were LB was since SL loaned it to her, and then it began tracking all of CN's locations like her home, school, and interests, it would be pretty apparent who had it and was using it.

Maybe (most probably) there is no plea deal on the table and CN's best chance is to fight it out in court.

 

[Tamarind]

The police refused to track the iPad, which is not a laptop. Yes, iPads track their GPS locations by design. There is no way for the iPad to not "have a tracker" (i.e., not have GPS functionality).

If the iPad was tracked to were LB was since SL loaned it to her, and then it began tracking all of CN's locations like her home, school, and interests, it would be pretty apparent who had it and was using it.

Maybe (most probably) there is no plea deal on the table and CN's best chance is to fight it out in court.

Thats IF CN even had the ipad. I doubt it. MOO

 

[Tamarind]

Well Juballee says the iPad may have been sold. You would know that electronic goods are stolen because they are full of other people's data and they may not work on your network due to blacklisting.

Data can be removed and wiped. Phones and ipads etc can be bought on kijiji or other sites.

Really, I can buy a stolen iPad full of someone's info at Best Buy?

Maybe not Best Buy...but people have been known to buy in bulk from the back of a truck,according to the media and case law. :what:

I am saying if no one was charged with stolen property over the missing iPad, and IF LE found it, it is likely because they want that evidence to support the LB case.

Yes I imagine IF they found it it would become evidence or at least fingerprinted :sleuth:

 

[SnooperDuper]

Data can be removed and wiped. Phones and ipads etc can be bought on kijiji or other sites.

Sure, but you can't wipe the serial number, and SL had that.

Maybe not Best Buy...but people have been known to buy in bulk from the back of a truck,according to the media and case law. :what:

You think DM was selling hot iPads from the back of his Yukon?

Yes I imagine IF they found it it would become evidence or at least fingerprinted :sleuth:

Yes the iPad would be evidence. Good insight!

 

[Tamarind]

That in no way negates the fact that evidence resulted in him being convicted of Natasha's murder although her body was never found.

Sure, Legebokoff claimed three other people were also involved in the women's deaths, though he refused to name them. Even if true , sure doesn't make him any less a killer.

Killers tell fantastical stories when attempting to evade a life sentence. There was absolutely no evidence that anyone else was present at any of the crimes he committed, other than he and his unfortunate victims. His story that he was present but he did not kill them? (Oh right ... he 'admitted' being there when legally blind, young Loren Donn Leslie, stabbed herself with a knife so he hit her in the head with a hammer. Nice Guy of the Year award goes to Mr. Cody Legebokoff !!).

My point was not that he was not a killer, it was that he admitted to being there and assisting. He himself put himself at the scene and admitted involvement. My point was that there is usually evidence that sways a jury one way or the other and an admission usually helps them decide. JMO

 

[swedie]

Data can be removed and wiped. Phones and ipads etc can be bought on kijiji or other sites.





Maybe not Best Buy...but people have been known to buy in bulk from the back of a truck,according to the media and case law. :what:





Yes I imagine IF they found it it would become evidence or at least fingerprinted :sleuth:

And LE can get a production order just as they did for the burner phone. That would give them the data on the ipad including anyone who used it and entered their personal email addies and passwords.

But didn't you say store? A mobile unit which sells ipads? Never seen that before. Where is this truck you can bulk ipads from? Does it offer better prices then the stores?

Maybe there's a log of texts between LB and DM phone days before and the day she disappeared and was murdered. If I did the calculations correctly SL loaned it to her about a week and a half before LE figured she was murdered. We know how young people love the www and keeping in touch with other through it. Imagine the information they might have gathered. MOO.

 

[Tamarind]

Maybe there's a log of texts between LB and DM phone days before and the day she disappeared and was murdered. If I did the calculations correctly SL loaned it to her about a week and a half before LE figured she was murdered. We know how young people love the www and keeping in touch with other through it. Imagine the information they might have gathered. MOO.

I doubt there are any texts, simply because the phone bill shows that LB was calling everyone she knew. Had she been in contact by text, why would she bother phoning? JMO

 

[Tamarind]

Sure, but you can't wipe the serial number, and SL had that.

You were talking about there being peoples personal data on ipads. I said they can be wiped (of personal data). I wasn't aware that we were discussing the serial number on the hardware, so that wasn't relevant to my post.

You think DM was selling hot iPads from the back of his Yukon?

No, why?

Yes the iPad would be evidence. Good insight!

Yes it would be evidence and it may be evidence for either the defense or the crown. We shall have to see if it is even part of the evidence first though. IMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

You were talking about there being peoples personal data on ipads. I said they can be wiped (of personal data). I wasn't aware that we were discussing the serial number on the hardware, so that wasn't relevant to my post.

<rsbm>

Imagine all the data in a book. There is the table of contents/index, and the story/data. When a electronic device deletes data, it only throws away the table of contents. The story/data is still there (until it is overwritten).

If you look at the device using special software, you can recover the story/data that remains.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I doubt there are any texts, simply because the phone bill shows that LB was calling everyone she knew. Had she been in contact by text, why would she bother phoning? JMO

If she had contacted by text, why would it be on her phone bill? (Don't most plans include free texting?)

I'd phone someone that didn't answer my texts, if I really needed to get a hold of them.

 

[Tamarind]

If she had contacted by text, why would it be on her phone bill? (Don't most plans include free texting?)

I'd phone someone that didn't answer my texts, if I really needed to get a hold of them.

I didn't say it would be on her phone bill but I expect the content of texts can be found ! She was calling a lot of people, are you saying that that they all didn't answer her texts?

 

[Sillybilly]

Starting July 2 from 14:40 through July 3 at 18:16, the ONLY outgoing calls on LB's phone bill were to DM. There were no other outgoing calls to anyone else, but there were incoming calls that are blocked out on the bill. We don't know if some of those incoming calls were DM calling her.

 

[Juballee]

Well Juballee says the iPad may have been sold. You would know that electronic goods are stolen because they are full of other people's data and they may not work on your network due to blacklisting.



Really, I can buy a stolen iPad full of someone's info at Best Buy?



I am saying if no one was charged with stolen property over the missing iPad, and IF LE found it, it is likely because they want that evidence to support the LB case.

Actually I said that LE cannot tell from an ipad whether it was given, sold or stolen when all they have is the ipad. LB could have easily said that it was hers or that it was given to her, she wouldn't have had to tell someone it was borrowed if she didn't want to.

You can get people's personal info at the side of the road when they throw out old computers without properly destroying them. I see no reason why stores that sell used items would have the resources to ensure that every computer component that they sell has been wiped clean.

Instead of Best Buy, which I do not think sells second hand products, you could find used computers, including apple products at stores like Cash Converters, Value Village, or pawn shops, and other stores that sell used things.

LE don't have to choose whether to charge someone for a stolen item or to use it as evidence, this isn't Sophie's Choice, they can do both charge someone for it's theft and use it as evidence against them. Do some think that once they have charged DM with theft of TB's truck that it can no longer be used as evidence? Because that is what these repeated statements seem to imply, that it is one or the other, use it for evidence or charge someone with stealing it.

All my opinion only.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Well back to the case, if the iPad exists and was reset, LE would be able to see the date/time that it was reset. If it happened before July 3, maybe LB sold it, lost it, had it stolen. If the iPad was reset after July 3...hmmm, it wasn't LB.


ETA: it doesn't really make sense for LB to sell the iPad anyway, they're only $400 and a secondhand store won't give you more than 40% of the price they sell it for. She might get $100 cash for it and with a shoebox full of cash she didn't need, why bother betraying a friend like this?