General Discussion and Theories #4

[Juballee]

Starting July 2 from 14:40 through July 3 at 18:16, the ONLY outgoing calls on LB's phone bill were to DM. There were no other outgoing calls to anyone else, but there were incoming calls that are blocked out on the bill. We don't know if some of those incoming calls were DM calling her.

Although it is technically possible that the person who redacted the phone bill also blacked out incoming calls from DM, it is not very likely that they would, in my opinion. The purpose of redacting the numbers of those not accused in her disappearance was to protect their privacy, and I can see no reason why they might feel that some of the communications with DM would need protection, when his privacy was already denied. Especially when the whole purpose of making the phone bill public was to bring the communications with DM to our attention. That just wouldn't make sense to me, personally.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Although it is technically possible that the person who redacted the phone bill also blacked out incoming calls from DM, it is not very likely that they would, in my opinion. The purpose of redacting the numbers of those not accused in her disappearance was to protect their privacy, and I can see no reason why they might feel that some of the communications with DM would need protection, when his privacy was already denied. Especially when the whole purpose of making the phone bill public was to bring the communications with DM to our attention. That just wouldn't make sense to me, personally.

It wasn't like they posted DM's personal phone bill online...what privacy was there to violate?

 

[Tamarind]

Well back to the case, if the iPad exists and was reset, LE would be able to see the date/time that it was reset. If it happened before July 3, maybe LB sold it, lost it, had it stolen. If the iPad was reset after July 3...hmmm, it wasn't LB.

Not necessarily, LB may still be alive, she may well have been alive after July 3rd. She could well have sold it or given it away after July 3rd.

ETA: it doesn't really make sense for LB to sell the iPad anyway, they're only $400 and a secondhand store won't give you more than 40% of the price they sell it for. She might get $100 cash for it and with a shoebox full of cash she didn't need, why bother betraying a friend like this?

Maybe the ipad was stolen from her when she was on a bus, train, plane or on a park bench. There are several scenarios that could have been or could be. IMO

 

[Tamarind]

It wasn't like they posted DM's personal phone bill online...what privacy was there to violate?

If they blacked out everyones calls except his (DM's). IOW they would respect everyone elses privacy but his. HTH

So very doubtful that they would block out incoming calls from him, IMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

If they blacked out everyones calls except his (DM's). IOW they would respect everyone elses privacy but his. HTH

What, he doesn't want to be known as LB's last contact, and this should remain private? Why is that?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Not necessarily, LB may still be alive, she may well have been alive after July 3rd. She could well have sold it or given it away after July 3rd.

LE established that she died July 3rd, so that's all going to be kinda difficult.

Maybe the ipad was stolen from her when she was on a bus, train, plane or on a park bench. There are several scenarios that could have been or could be. IMO

Then it ended up in the hands of no one related to this case? It will still contain information that is relevant to the investigation.

 

[Sillybilly]

Although it is technically possible that the person who redacted the phone bill also blacked out incoming calls from DM, it is not very likely that they would, in my opinion. The purpose of redacting the numbers of those not accused in her disappearance was to protect their privacy, and I can see no reason why they might feel that some of the communications with DM would need protection, when his privacy was already denied. Especially when the whole purpose of making the phone bill public was to bring the communications with DM to our attention. That just wouldn't make sense to me, personally.

I don't think privacy was a consideration given that the rest of the page included various phone numbers that LB called and those numbers were not blocked out. Of only 8 incoming calls on the page, 5 of them were interspersed with her last 8 sequential outgoing calls to Dellen Millard.

 

[swedie]

If she had contacted by text, why would it be on her phone bill? (Don't most plans include free texting?)

I'd phone someone that didn't answer my texts, if I really needed to get a hold of them.

LB would have been using SL's ipad, but could have been using her FB account chat/PM to send messages to DM's cell phone or other devices he may have used. If he text or messaged her back, all their exchanged messages/text could be retrievable through her FB account. Or whatever device(s) he was using.

I certainly will not be surprised if LE have gathered a great deal of electronics evidence; from video surveillance, to cell phone records, to computer data. I suspect this evidence could be what assisted the AG to come to her decision, to bypass the PH. A slam dunk case?! We'll just have to wait and see. Boy it's really going to suck for the accused if they get two and three guilty verdicts for murder. Both MS and DM could be facing the rest of their natural lives in prison. :freakedout: ALL MOO.

But if they are guilty of the murders they are accused of, then that's what they deserved. And the victims deserve justice. MOO.

 

[Tamarind]

LE established that she died July 3rd, so that's all going to be kinda difficult.



Then it ended up in the hands of no one related to this case? It will still contain information that is relevant to the investigation.

Hopefully they have some really good reason to establish the date she died years after the event. I think its mighty difficult to establish such an exact date. I believe that the evidence could only be circumstantial, speculative or both JMO.

If ipad is in the hands of someone unknown it may not be being kept as evidence. It also may not hold any evidence crucial to the investigation. JMO

 

[Tamarind]

LB would have been using SL's ipad, but could have been using her FB account chat/PM to send messages to DM's cell phone or other devices he may have used. If he text or messaged her back, all their exchanged messages/text could be retrievable through her FB account. Or whatever device(s) he was using.

Didn't SL say that she had not used her FB etc? Thats why he logged into her account I believe he said.

I certainly will not be surprised if LE have gathered a great deal of electronics evidence; from video surveillance, to cell phone records, to computer data. I suspect this evidence could be what assisted the AG to come to her decision, to bypass the PH. A slam dunk case?! We'll just have to wait and see. Boy it's really going to suck for the accused if they get two and three guilty verdicts for murder. Both MS and DM could be facing the rest of their natural lives in prison. :freakedout: ALL MOO.

But if they are guilty of the murders they are accused of, then that's what they deserved. And the victims deserve justice. MOO.

Yes victims deserve justice and so do those on trial, as they may be innocent of the charges.I agree, we shall have to wait and see.

 

[Tamarind]

I don't think privacy was a consideration given that the rest of the page included various phone numbers that LB called and those numbers were not blocked out. Of only 8 incoming calls on the page, 5 of them were interspersed with her last 8 sequential outgoing calls to Dellen Millard.

Sounds like she wanted to warn him of something possibly.

 

[Juballee]

I don't think privacy was a consideration given that the rest of the page included various phone numbers that LB called and those numbers were not blocked out. Of only 8 incoming calls on the page, 5 of them were interspersed with her last 8 sequential outgoing calls to Dellen Millard.

Were all the incoming calls redacted? Why were only some of the outgoing calls redacted then, that doesn't make much sense. Even if it wasn't for privacy concerns, there was still some reason to black out some numbers and not others. I highly doubt that any DM calls, whether incoming or outgoing would have been concealed on the bill when the point was to show contact between DM and LB.

 

[Juballee]

What, he doesn't want to be known as LB's last contact, and this should remain private? Why is that?

It is an established fact that DM was not the last person to have phone contact with LB. I'm not sure why some insist in perpetuating the rumour that he was the last contact, unless some need false information to bolster their belief in his guilt, in my opinion.

 

[SnooperDuper]

It is an established fact that DM was not the last person to have phone contact with LB. I'm not sure why some insist in perpetuating the rumour that he was the last contact, unless some need false information to bolster their belief in his guilt, in my opinion.

No, actually, it's not.

In late July, Babcock’s last phone bill arrived in the mail. It showed no calls made after July 3. Her last eight phone calls that day and the previous day were to Millard. She told friends she and Millard were sleeping together.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...ck_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

I'm not sure why some insist in perpetuating the rumour that he NOT was the last contact, unless some need false information to bolster their belief in his innocence, in my opinion.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I don't think privacy was a consideration given that the rest of the page included various phone numbers that LB called and those numbers were not blocked out. Of only 8 incoming calls on the page, 5 of them were interspersed with her last 8 sequential outgoing calls to Dellen Millard.

Is there a link to the phone bill image? I think the incoming calls might have been clients from her ad and so redacted. She didn't seem to have time for them only DM.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Is there a link to the phone bill image? I think the incoming calls might have been clients from her ad and so redacted. She didn't seem to have time for them only DM.

here it is: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43744&d=1400976058

ETA: I wonder if any of these other callers had a first degree murder charge against them when LE began to look at this - or only DM?

 

[Sillybilly]

Were all the incoming calls redacted? Why were only some of the outgoing calls redacted then, that doesn't make much sense. Even if it wasn't for privacy concerns, there was still some reason to black out some numbers and not others. I highly doubt that any DM calls, whether incoming or outgoing would have been concealed on the bill when the point was to show contact between DM and LB.

<bbm>

Not sure where you got the bolded part ... none of the outgoing calls were redacted

37 calls in total
1 voicemail
8 incoming - all redacted
28 outgoing - none redacted

 

[Sillybilly]

No, actually, it's not.



http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...ck_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

I'm not sure why some insist in perpetuating the rumour that he NOT was the last contact, unless some need false information to bolster their belief in his innocence, in my opinion.

IIRC, that little tidbit re contact with others after DM on July 3 came during Carbone's deer in the headlights moment when he didn't seem very familiar with the specifics of the case, and in fact contradicted himself on a couple of issues.

If LB is determined to have been murdered on July 3 as charged, then it would be safe to say she did not have contact with anyone beyond her calls with DM. If there is convincing evidence that she died on July 3 and call records indicate her phone was used beyond that date, then it would be interesting to know who was using it.

 

[Tamarind]

IIRC, that little tidbit re contact with others after DM on July 3 came during Carbone's deer in the headlights moment when he didn't seem very familiar with the specifics of the case, and in fact contradicted himself on a couple of issues.

If LB is determined to have been murdered on July 3 as charged, then it would be safe to say she did not have contact with anyone beyond her calls with DM. If there is convincing evidence that she died on July 3 and call records indicate her phone was used beyond that date, then it would be interesting to know who was using it.

IIRC There was one person who received a call after her calling DM. I guess we will have go looking for that again.

I hope Carbonne isn't going to testify at the trial. Juries don't like people to contradict themselves and not know what they are talking about as it looks like their testimony is false and/or has been rehearsed. JMO .I believe SL claimed the phone wasn't used after that date, but I imagine the police would have requested the final phone bills to make sure. JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

here it is: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43744&d=1400976058

ETA: I wonder if any of these other callers had a first degree murder charge against them when LE began to look at this - or only DM?

I'm suspecting it may have been MSM who redacted the info for legal reasons in order to not prejudice the case against the accused.

Actually, I was surprised at how few incoming calls there were in relation to outgoing. I'm also surprised that the very last entry on the bill, the voicemail check, was the only access of her voicemail in a 3 day period.