General Discussion and Theories #4

[SnooperDuper]

Yes, I can also think of a reason why there would have been delays in the decision to retain DP. Too bad the delay is still there even though the lawyer who has been retained was working with DP all along, or for a large part of it anyway. I don't necessarily believe that only the one reason contributed to the need for more time.

I didn't say anything about SG ruling on the LB case. It doesn't have to be the same judge for the same "circumstance" to affect both trials.

JMO

Keep in mind that RP was the lawyer on record for the LB and WM cases, while DP was only involved in the TB case, so DP's absence shouldn't affect the other trials.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Just curious, what do you feel is a large sentence? CN sealed her lips and stubbornly backed DM in a committed manner for over a year. She's involved in helping DM escape charges. Do you really think she will get off lightly, given that she helped hide a terrible violent high-profile crime against an innocent stranger?

Well, life would be a large sentence, but I just don't think she will get anything near that. If I were to take a wild guess, without knowing anything about what she did to help him or what the evidence is, I would guess she would end up with less than 7 years. Of course, that could change once I hear the circumstances of what she is alleged to have done. Maybe her lawyer just doesn't think they have a very strong case against her and she feels confident in not being convicted.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Perhaps new information has come to light recently. Perhaps someone talked. Perhaps it just took this long to analyse forensic evidence that is relevant to the case. ???

I would have hoped they would have analyzed the forensic evidence before asking for a direct indictment to be sure they had enough to go that route. If someone talked just recently, I hope that person is someone reputable with no other reason for talking than their own morals.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Keep in mind that RP was the lawyer on record for the LB and WM cases, while DP was only involved in the TB case, so DP's absence shouldn't affect the other trials.

RP was on the TB case from the beginning. The delay I was referring to in my quoted post was the delay in the TB trial caused by the request for more time during the in camera session, not the LB or WM cases. Sorry if I'm confused about what you're trying to say here.

Deepak Paradkar has been involved with Millard's case since the wealthy aviation heir was arrested two years ago for the first-degree murder of Tim Bosma. Yet he will not be Millard's trial lawyer. Instead Ravin Pillay, who has been part of Millard's defence team, although not its frontman, will represent him when the case goes to trial next January.

"Ravin's been on the case from Day 1," was all Paradkar, who lives in Mississauga, would say in an uncharacteristically short interview about the switch.

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/5688882-millard-to-be-represented-by-new-lawyer/

 

[Juballee]

Since there is a publication ban, how can you say no unless you were there? I can think of a possibility where something may have affected both. FWIW, in Canada there is always a publication ban on bail hearings, pre-trial motions and preliminary hearings. What will be unfortunate, will be if there is a publication ban on the actual TB trial to protect the CN, LB and WM trials.

How sad that most MSM is more interested in murdering politician's reputations during election time than in actual murders. One would think they would have both political reporters and crime/trial reporters and be able to cover both.

I wonder why it took them a year to decide on the direct indictment?

I can't believe all the papers are too busy running election stories to care about Laura Babcock. Is she the invisible woman or something? First they don't look for her now they don't even follow her case?

I'm not saying that AB and SC are not telling the truth, but to me Twitter is not a real and proper MSM source. And it's not like the paper doesn't have room, it can be in their internet version without taking up any space at all. Doesn't anyone else find that strange?

 

[Arnie M]

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I miss ABro

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[SnooperDuper]

I can't believe all the papers are too busy running election stories to care about Laura Babcock. Is she the invisible woman or something? First they don't look for her now they don't even follow her case?

I'm not saying that AB and SC are not telling the truth, but to me Twitter is not a real and proper MSM source. And it's not like the paper doesn't have room, it can be in their internet version without taking up any space at all. Doesn't anyone else find that strange?

Well there was only a tweet's worth of information available, really. What other details might we be looking for...what DM and MS wore that day and who they glared at? The papers are quite limited in what they can report right now, and it may not add up to an article at this moment. Perhaps when there is more info about upcoming court dates or trial dates, or info on who the prosecutors will be, or some quote from an official of some sort, there will be an article.

AB and SC are both verified posters on Twitter, so they are staking their professional reputations on the fact that the info is accurate. I wouldn't wait for an article to feel assured that the DI is real.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I would have hoped they would have analyzed the forensic evidence before asking for a direct indictment to be sure they had enough to go that route. If someone talked just recently, I hope that person is someone reputable with no other reason for talking than their own morals.

ABro posted in her blog in October of last year that the Crown was seeking a DI on the case back then

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/201...-indictment-in-laura-babcock-murder-case.html

In contrast it took just a couple of months for the DI in the TB case to be granted

http://www.metronews.ca/news/canada/2014/07/16/tim-bosma-murder-case-heading-straight-to-trial.html

...so you do wonder what the hold-up was.

 

[swedie]

I'm sure it's what you meant, but just to be clear, the Direct Indictment wasn't bypassed. It was issued. It was the preliminary hearing that was bypassed. In CN's case, the direct indictment didn't need to be requested because she had voluntarily elected to bypass the preliminary hearing. When a direct indictment is requested, the defense has no opportunity to not agree with it. Judging by past history, I doubt that CN will get a large sentence either way. JMO

Thanks for the correction AD. You're right, I meant PH not DI.

 

[swedie]

Well, life would be a large sentence, but I just don't think she will get anything near that. If I were to take a wild guess, without knowing anything about what she did to help him or what the evidence is, I would guess she would end up with less than 7 years. Of course, that could change once I hear the circumstances of what she is alleged to have done. Maybe her lawyer just doesn't think they have a very strong case against her and she feels confident in not being convicted.

Well apparently she wasn't too cooperative with LE. If her involvement was fairly minor, she would have been way ahead of the game to spill her guts and perhaps she may not have been arrested. She withheld information, I suspect LE found evidence of her involvement in TB's case and they arrested her. Sometimes it's not always wise to listen to lawyers. IMO had she cooperated and spoke the truth right from the get go, she may not be facing any sentence period. I believe because she withheld information, was uncooperative, her involvement is not minor. According to reports, police allege she knew DM murdered TB. So if she did know and didn't assist LE prior to DM's arrest or after, for that I hope she gets 25 years. But that's JMHO.

Leitch said Noudga made a statement to police after she was arrested Thursday, but could not say whether she is being co-operative. “We don’t usually arrest co-operating witnesses,” Leitch said.

At Noudga’s family home in Etobicoke Thursday, neighbour Mark Majchrowski said he saw officers removing a “good deal” of boxes and bags.

Police allege Noudga knew Millard had killed Bosma and assisted in his “escape” last May 9, three days after Bosma disappeared, said Crown Attorney Tony Leitch.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...e_she_was_reported_missing_police_allege.html

 

[SnooperDuper]

Well apparently she wasn't too cooperative with LE. If her involvement was fairly minor, she would have been way ahead of the game to spill her guts and perhaps she may not have been arrested. She withheld information, I suspect LE found evidence of her involvement in TB's case and they arrested her. Sometimes it's not always wise to listen to lawyers. IMO had she cooperated and spoke the truth right from the get go, she may not be facing any sentence period. I believe because she withheld information, was uncooperative, her involvement is not minor. According to reports, police allege she knew DM murdered TB. So if she did know and didn't assist LE prior to DM's arrest or after, for that I hope she gets 25 years. But that's JMHO.

Leitch said Noudga made a statement to police after she was arrested Thursday, but could not say whether she is being co-operative. “We don’t usually arrest co-operating witnesses,” Leitch said.

At Noudga’s family home in Etobicoke Thursday, neighbour Mark Majchrowski said he saw officers removing a “good deal” of boxes and bags.

Police allege Noudga knew Millard had killed Bosma and assisted in his “escape” last May 9, three days after Bosma disappeared, said Crown Attorney Tony Leitch.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...e_she_was_reported_missing_police_allege.html

Well it's evident the "wall of silence" tactic isn't working for CN, MS and DM. Too many people evidently knew something, and too much evidence was left behind, to keep it all a big secret.

Surely the prosecution will portray CN as someone who kept her silence in the hope of big money. What other motive might she have, true love for a multi-murderer? She did apparently know after all that DM had murdered.

 

[Arnie M]

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That would be spooky if CN knew DM was a murderer and she still wanted to be with him.

Maybe that is what LE were hinting at when they used the description "a unique circle of friends" (paraphrased)

 

[SnooperDuper]

Police are looking into a small, “close-knit group of friends” that hung around together.

Dellen Millard, charged with first-degree murder, was part of that group.

“Social media was a big part of their activities,” the source said.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16/tim-bosmas-murder-may-have-been-thrill-kill-source

I think social media brought them down.

 

[Juballee]

Well it's evident the "wall of silence" tactic isn't working for CN, MS and DM. Too many people evidently knew something, and too much evidence was left behind, to keep it all a big secret.

Surely the prosecution will portray CN as someone who kept her silence in the hope of big money. What other motive might she have, true love for a multi-murderer? She did apparently know after all that DM had murdered.

I haven't heard anything about CN protecting DM for money, is there a link to that? We don't know what she did or why, how can we discount love as a motive for protecting a boyfriend?

 

[SnooperDuper]

I haven't heard anything about CN protecting DM for money, is there a link to that? We don't know what she did or why, how can we discount love as a motive for protecting a boyfriend?

CN has more knowledge of the situation than we do, and if her love for DM persists despite the fact that she knows that he has murdered...well I guess she has to face the consequences of that. Accessory after the fact to first degree murder. 25 years. Personally I would find that threat cooled my passion. That's why I wonder if there is another motive.

 

[Juballee]

Well there was only a tweet's worth of information available, really. What other details might we be looking for...what DM and MS wore that day and who they glared at? The papers are quite limited in what they can report right now, and it may not add up to an article at this moment. Perhaps when there is more info about upcoming court dates or trial dates, or info on who the prosecutors will be, or some quote from an official of some sort, there will be an article.

AB and SC are both verified posters on Twitter, so they are staking their professional reputations on the fact that the info is accurate. I wouldn't wait for an article to feel assured that the DI is real.

I can't count how many articles I have read that only have 140 characters or less of new information and yet they rehash everything else to fill it out into a full article, and for less important revelations than this. This is a major development in a case that is apparently enough of a public interest to warrant a direct indictment, it doesn't make sense to me that ALL the mainstream media sources would ignore it because it's only a tweet worth of words. Wrong tweets are easy to give a correction to, just as newspapers need to occasionally print corrections, there is no professional reputation on the line for that in my opinion. I doubt it is about the limits on what the papers can report due to the publication ban (which this news would not fall under) or election season, personally, and I find it extremely odd still that it has gone unreported.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I can't count how many articles I have read that only have 140 characters or less of new information and yet they rehash everything else to fill it out into a full article, and for less important revelations than this. This is a major development in a case that is apparently enough of a public interest to warrant a direct indictment, it doesn't make sense to me that ALL the mainstream media sources would ignore it because it's only a tweet worth of words. Wrong tweets are easy to give a correction to,bouts as newspapers need to occasionally print corrections, there is no professional reputation on the line for that in my opinion. I doubt it is about the limits on what the papers can report due to the publication ban (which this news would not fall under) or election season, personally, and I find it extremely odd still that it has gone unreported.

In LB's thread I have linked reports from the Spectator, CP24 and CTV. Only SC of the Spec added more detail (prosecutors and future court dates).

At any rate, ABro's report was accurate.

I think that because of the interrelations between the cases, lots of publication bans have been issued, and there really isn't much reporters can say.

 

[matou]

Plus we got the case numbers and courhouse info from ABro directly.

 

[cansleuther]

Plus we got the case numbers and courhouse info from ABro directly.

The case numbers and courthouse information are also available to any member of the public via www.ontariocourtdates.ca.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Plus we got the case numbers and courhouse info from ABro directly.

Well, anyway, ABro got the scoop. The other reporters just confirmed it. Yep, that's what we call a scoop.