General Discussion and Theories

[Archangel7]

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That's what I think happened. As for where they parked the Yukon, it could have been around the corner on Book road.

"The marine unit was called in Thursday to search a pond in an area off Book Rd. The search stemmed from a tip from a neighbour who heard noises around the time of the disappearance. Nothing was found."

Finding nothing could have been because they left nothing to find, or LE was focused on finding something in the pond, when really they should have been looking for the Yukons tire tracks. Of course at the time they didnt know anything about the Yukon.

http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario...is_return_after_test_drive_disappearance.html

Here is a Google Street View of Trinity looking South.
It shows TB house on the far right. On the far left is a driveway area at the time under construction with dirt piles. It has a pond behind it also.

I've always felt the car was close.

Here is an overhead with TB's home in red with a drive way approx.
And a red square where the Yukon could have been.IMO
Or as lanman said Book rd and possibly the corner(RED CIRCLE) which joins that field/pond/red square area.

The map IS NOT current and may not resemble these views any longer.

Lanman, maybe old views are why I didn't see a better pond on Book rd or I missed it.

Also all supposition and JMO
And I'm having trouble trying to get the pics reasonably smaller.......

 

[lanman]

Here is a Google Street View of Trinity looking South.
It shows TB house on the far right. On the far left is a driveway area at the time under construction with dirt piles. It has a pond behind it also.



I've always felt the car was close.

Here is an overhead with TB's home in red with a drive way approx.
And a red square where the Yukon could have been.IMO
Or as lanman said Book rd and possibly the corner(RED CIRCLE) which joins that field/pond/red square area.


The map IS NOT current and may not resemble these views any longer.

Lanman, maybe old views are why I didn't see a better pond on Book rd or I missed it.

Also all supposition and JMO
And I'm having trouble trying to get the pics reasonably smaller.......

I must say you are always one step ahead of me AA. When I found the camera the other day, I did a quick search before I posted it and discovered that you'd already pointed out that building, and then just now I was going to post about that spot on the south-east corner of trinity and book roads, and you beat me to it again

The street view image of that area is a year old, but I doubt it's changed much. If I could only choose one spot, that would be it for sure. It's not that far away from TB's house (~1/2 km), has trees to hide behind, there's no houses directly in view, there's no backtracking involved, and is also one of the first spots you'd see if you were in a hurry to find somewhere to hide a vehicle.

As for the pond, that could have been anywhere on book road and not even related. They other reason LE may have not have found anything was perhaps nothing happened at that location.

Or maybe there's a pond there now that wasn't there when Google went by.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Here is a Google Street View of Trinity looking South.
It shows TB house on the far right. On the far left is a driveway area at the time under construction with dirt piles. It has a pond behind it also.

I've always felt the car was close.

Here is an overhead with TB's home in red with a drive way approx.
And a red square where the Yukon could have been.IMO
Or as lanman said Book rd and possibly the corner(RED CIRCLE) which joins that field/pond/red square area.

The map IS NOT current and may not resemble these views any longer.

Lanman, maybe old views are why I didn't see a better pond on Book rd or I missed it.

Also all supposition and JMO
And I'm having trouble trying to get the pics reasonably smaller.......

What I did was walk it with my mouse. Go up Trinity from TB's place to Book Road and turn left towards Brantford. There is a pond on Book, not very far from the corner, on the right side of the road (north side) - just past the forest. There is another larger one near the end of Book, heading west, on the left side (or south side) of the road. For some reason I have a hard time inserting images, but this link should show you what I'm looking at. Just shut the sidebar so you can see the whole length of the road.

http://goo.gl/maps/uLr8e

 

[Alethea Dice]

On street view, that corner has a chain across the entry to Archangel's circled spot with a no trespassing sign. All the Yukon would need to do is wait on the side of the road at that corner (across the road from the red circle). When he sees the Ram turn left onto Book, he just pulls out and follows.

 

[lanman]

What I did was walk it with my mouse. Go up Trinity from TB's place to Book Road and turn left towards Brantford. There is a pond on Book, not very far from the corner, on the right side of the road (north side) - just past the forest. There is another larger one near the end of Book, heading west, on the left side (or south side) of the road. For some reason I have a hard time inserting images, but this link should show you what I'm looking at. Just shut the sidebar so you can see the whole length of the road.

http://goo.gl/maps/uLr8e

The problem I have with that is that it's about 1 km away from TB's house. 1K isn't far if you are going out for an intentional walk, but if your intentions are simply to park out of site and walking isn't really part of the overall plan, then it seems rather far to me.

 

[lanman]

On street view, that corner has a chain across the entry to Archangel's circled spot with a no trespassing sign. All the Yukon would need to do is wait on the side of the road at that corner (across the road from the red circle). When he sees the Ram turn left onto Book, he just pulls out and follows.

I guess I should mention that my 'where they parked' theory doesn't include a 3rd suspect.

 

[Alethea Dice]

The problem I have with that is that it's about 1 km away from TB's house. 1K isn't far if you are going out for an intentional walk, but if your intentions are simply to park out of site and walking isn't really part of the overall plan, then it seems rather far to me.

But they didn't have to walk from there. They were coming from the other side, from Toronto. He drops them off just before TB's, behind the trees, they walk up the driveway, and he keeps going and waits on Book Road.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I guess I should mention that my 'where they parked' theory doesn't include a 3rd suspect.

Sorry, I didn't see this post before I commented again. I'm not buying the "no 3rd suspect".

 

[lanman]

But they didn't have to walk from there. They were coming from the other side, from Toronto. He drops them off just before TB's, behind the trees, they walk up the driveway, and he keeps going and waits on Book Road.

Coming from Toronto, the most obvious route is the QEW/403, and get off right on 52 (trinity road). TB's house 1/2 km past book road. So if someone just dropped them off, they would have to turn around and go back.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Coming from Toronto, the most obvious route is the QEW/403, and get off right on 52 (trinity road). TB's house 1/2 km past book road. So if someone just dropped them off, they would have to turn around and go back.

Sure, that's the most obvious. But if they knew where they were going and didn't want to be seen, all they would have to do is take the Fiddler's Green exit, go down to Butter Road and up Trinity from the other side. Or they could get dropped just before TB's, turn around in the driveway just before the house and go back.

 

[Archangel7]

Alethea, thanks I do see the ponds you mention on Book. I must have seen them as trees before.

 

[Archangel7]

Lanman, thanks for the kind words. I see it as we are all in this together and thank you for the tips you have helped me with, as I'm not familiar with that area.

 

[JPC]

Why would you doubt it? He paid cash for his condo that he bought in Toronto.

Paying cash means that he didn't transact by taking out a mortgage or loan. If he had funds on hand it isn't unusual to not pay cash and bypass mortgage interest rates or purchase interest.

 

[JPC]

Sorry, I didn't see this post before I commented again. I'm not buying the "no 3rd suspect".

I think that the third suspect has turned and is providing evidence to the Crown Attorney's.

 

[Snoofo]

JPC your idea that third is providing evidence makes LE's statement there may be two suspects, there may be three suspects, we don't know sound like less of a lie as compared to there were definitely only two suspects if in fact they know there is a third that is not being revealed. If LE should not flat out lie in the press releases they can certainly shape their words creatively.

I think they made it clear when Smich was arrested and they addressed questions about the third suspect, that they weren't going to bother looking for a third. They basically told "the third" to turn themselves in and managed to assure the public that this person (of whose existence, let alone name, they were later not certain of) is not a threat. Very curious that they would say that unless they knew for certain at that point there was no third person or the third person was giving them all their information. I still don't like that they said that. It was Kinsella on that date as I believe Kavanagh was possibly at TB's public memorial service or he was on the Smich arrest (or both). The day before that Kavanagh made a similar comment about #3 and safety of public and when asked why he used that line "you'll have to just trust me on this". Okay...?

 

[swedie]

A very lovely picture of TB and SB. RIP Tim. An angel watching over your loving wife and daughter.

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/bosma-wife.jpg?w=620&h=465

 

[swedie]

Poor SB. This will never leave her. Time may heal but the scars will always remain. Her and Tim had spoken of death and what they planned. I am glad to read Tim was able to tuck his wee one into bed that night before leaving.

So DM and MS had planned on showing up earlier that eve but were late. :what: I wonder what time they had originally planned on showing up? Why were they late? Were they pulling the trailer with the Yukon and ran into trouble/overheating? I don't believe Yukons are meant to tow large heavy trailers MOO. Did they unhitch and leave the trailer at the industrial area, wait for the engine to cool down and then proceed to Tim's later than planned? Did they go back to the industrial area where Tim phone was found, to retrieve the trail? Is this where TB ran into trouble? Tim's truck more than likely had a trailer hitch IIRC Tim towed their travel trailer with the Dodge. Was this not the reason for selling the truck? They lived in the trailer while building their house and didn't need it anymore? I remember reading this but cannot find the article right now.

Although SB would not say to the reporter if it was DM and MS who showed up at her door that horrible night, I am confident she did recognize them and that is why these two are sitting in jail right now. She nor the media can release this information anyhow due to PB. MOO.


C&P from article.
He came in a box, a small wooden square not much bigger than a shoe box.

Tim was supposed to meet two men that Monday night, but they were late, so he was able to tuck his 2½-year-old daughter into bed.

Then two men arrived, on foot, to his large country home in rural Ancaster. He told Sharlene he’d be back soon. Or back in 20 minutes. She can’t remember his exact words, which would be the last she’d ever hear out of his mouth.

“I gave him one hour,” she said. “Then I started calling and texting.”
When there was no answer she called police. Shortly after, a massive manhunt began. She gave police a description of the two men.Sharlene didn’t say if the two men she saw are the same two men in custody. But she did say she’s confident with the investigation led by Det. Sgt. Matt Kavanagh.

Sharlene oscillated between happy memories of her husband, sadness over his death and rage over all the unanswered questions. “We still don’t know why this happened.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/06/15/tim_bosma_comes_home_heartbreakingly_in_a_small_box.html

 

[swedie]

JMO but I believe Tim's truck had a trailer hitch and the guy from Etobicoke who took DM and MS for a test drive the previous day probably didn't have a trailer hitch. Seems like a stupid reason to pick one truck over the other but that is why I believe they chose Tim's truck. There are different trailer hitches for different trailers and I assume the 5th wheel type was the type DM needed to haul his trailer. Also just maybe because Tim's truck was black and not as obvious as a red truck. But I feel pretty certain the main reason was because of the trailer hitch. They needed something to haul the car trailer. IMO

Did it start out as an honest test drive and something went terribly wrong? I don't believe so. Why not park the Yukon in Tim's driveway then? It's like they were trying to hide something. Why use a cheater phone? Why a stolen expensive motor cycle is DM's hangar? It was planned. Maybe not Tim's death, but theft of his truck, I say yes. MOO

THE DODGE RAM 3500

Police say the truck was the target of theft — not Bosma. What we still don’t know is what was so special about that type of truck?

Two nights in a row. Two trucks of the same brand and make were test driven — one red, one black, one in Etobicoke and one in Ancaster, by the same two suspects, police say. One of those test drives resulted in the death of Timothy Bosma.

Were Bosma’s killers after the catalytic converter or other parts? Was it just a joy ride gone wrong? Or was it the plan all along? These are questions we are still asking. But also: why this truck?

http://metronews.ca/news/hamilton/685845/the-tim-bosma-case-in-focus/

Click on link to view Tim's truck. The trailer in this picture is not a fifth wheel. Guess that blows my theory. Of course unless they owned a fifth wheel also.

http://postmediacanadadotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/missing-poster1-e1368205887674.jpg?w=680

 

[Sillybilly]

C&P from article.
He came in a box, a small wooden square not much bigger than a shoe box.

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I don't know whether it was ever in question, but for those not familiar with cremation, the size of the box as SB describes sounds appropriate for Tim's size; IMO it is an indication that most, if not all, of Tim's remains were recovered.

 

[swedie]

In this video one guy said TB was burned in a barrel. Did he release information not yet known to the public or is he referring to the insinuator as a barrel or is he just assuming? Odd he would generalize instead of just saying TB's burnt body was found on DM's property. JMO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vFDhn6rOuBA