General Discussions #5

[Timex]

Remember, a family member reached out to mr. ag because of a post-er here.

Exactly...they didnt reach out to Websleuths.

As for raven...a quick look at the poll..."Who killed Janet" is more than reason enough not to expect Raven to speak publically in any way shape or form. People have formed their opinions. Any public statement he gives at this point will be viewed as a sign of guilt. People will not be able to view it without a preconceived notion as to his guilt. He is better of saying nothing, especially if he is innocent.

 

[Moxie]

Maybe he is starting to feel some heat on this and instead of leaving them up, he's taking them down as a way to "punish" the websleuths? Would LE have them removed for a reason? If their investigation led them to these things, could they take them down?

Hi Jenifred,

You ask a good question - I can't see what purpose it would serve for LE to take the pics/link down, you would think they would want it out there just in case people saw them and could provide clues.

If Raven is feeling heat, that worries me. Because why should pictures of his pretty wife, and a loving tribute to her memory bother him? And if he wants to punish the WS, why would that be, because we are working together to help find out who killed his wife and the mother of his child.

Moxie

 

[Timex]

Hi Jenifred,

You ask a good question - I can't see what purpose it would serve for LE to take the pics/link down, you would think they would want it out there just in case people saw them and could provide clues.

If Raven is feeling heat, that worries me. Because why should pictures of his pretty wife, and a loving tribute to her memory bother him? And if he wants to punish the WS, why would that be, because we are working together to help find out who killed his wife and the mother of his child.

Moxie

1) Do we know for a fact it was Raven that removed them.

2) We are working together to get him arrested...so I can see why he wouldnt exactly be fond of this site.

 

[Jenifred]

He is better of saying nothing, especially if he is innocent.

I disagree with you there. I would think that an innocent man would be doing everything he could, regardless of the conclusions that the public would draw about his innocence or guilt, to make sure that there was justice for his wife.

 

[Moxie]

Exactly...they didnt reach out to Websleuths.

As for raven...a quick look at the poll..."Who killed Janet" is more than reason enough not to expect Raven to speak publically in any way shape or form. People have formed their opinions. Any public statement he gives at this point will be viewed as a sign of guilt. People will not be able to view it without a preconceived notion as to his guilt. He is better of saying nothing, especially if he is innocent.

Hi Timex,

I agree with the first part of your statement as far as Raven wanting to post on this board, given the results of the poll..

However, taking the board out of the equation, I don't see any harm whatsoever for Raven, in conjunction with LE, to say he is cooperating fully with LE, answering all questions, and working diligently with LE to find who killed his wife, and that he is innocent. I can tell you that if I were in his shoes, I would be doing everything possible to prove my innocence in this situation, and the only effective way to do that would be to work with LE and answer their questions to the extent that they are comfortable announcing themselves that I am not a suspect. Otherwise this will hang over him the rest of his life.

 

[Jenifred]

We are working together to get him arrested...so I can see why he wouldnt exactly be fond of this site.

We aren't working together to get him arrested necessarily, we are looking for the person who committed the crime.

But you can argue that there is a lot of incriminating circumstancial evidence that has been dug up and posted on here.

 

[Moxie]

I disagree with you there. I would think that an innocent man would be doing everything he could, regardless of the conclusions that the public would draw about his innocence or guilt, to make sure that there was justice for his wife.

Jenifred,

I agree with you completely. Otherwise it would follow him wherever he goes for the rest of his life. Sometimes you just have to do what is right.

 

[Jenifred]

Jenifred,

I agree with you completely. Otherwise it would follow him wherever he goes for the rest of his life. Sometimes you just have to do what is right.

We are paddling in the same boat, Moxie.

 

[Moxie]

We aren't working together to get him arrested necessarily, we are looking for the person who committed the crime.

But you can argue that there is a lot of incriminating circumstancial evidence that has been dug up and posted on here.

Exactly... and that is what is so troubling. I think I can speak with confidence that most of us wish that Raven had no involvement in this whatsoever - a man who had taken vows to love, cherish and honor his wife, forsaking all others - you never want to think that someone could take those vows, yet murder his wife almost five years later.

However, there are troubling questions based on the facts we have uncovered at this point, and that is what is unsettling. That and Raven's public silence.

 

[Jenifred]

I know what some people will say...Look at Scott Peterson (did Mark Hacking make a public statement too?). He was well involved with the media trying to find his wife's murderer. Well, here's what I have to say to that--this man (or men) were trying to paint themselves as innocent. So they get in front of a lot of people to say "Help me find her" to take the heat off of themselves. The Runaway Bride's fiance also made a plea and he even submitted to a polygraph. So should Raven just sit back because a few murderers stepped up and lied? NO! Show us what you're made of Raven and just come out publicly to make a statement.

 

[Timex]

It wouldnt hurt LE to make an occassional statement as to just what's going on in this case either...but I dont see that happening. For all I know Raven has spoke to LE.

As for Raven speaking publically, I honestly cant see any benefit in that right now. If he is guilty, his guilt would most likely show...if he isnt, things he says or does could be easily misconstrued. I would be willing to bet his lawyer has advised him against making any public statements. Any counsel worth a damn would have done so by now.


Take the interpretation of his actions at the funeral...we have some saying he acted inappropriately, and others saying he didnt. Some see evil in him just by looking at his photograph online. Some see a normal, albiet egotistical young man. IMO we see what we are looking for.

 

[Moxie]

We are paddling in the same boat, Moxie.

I agree!!

 

[Jenifred]

Some see evil in him just by looking at his photograph online. Some see a normal, albiet egotistical young man. IMO we see what we are looking for.

I also disagree with you here. IMO I think that there is an obvious change in people when they start doing things that are wrong and breaking rules they promised to obey. He's not the same Raven as he was in his wedding pictures.

 

[Timex]

I also disagree with you here. IMO I think that there is an obvious change in people when they start doing things that are wrong and breaking rules they promised to obey. He's not the same Raven as he was in his wedding pictures.

Sorry...I must not have the gift, because Im not seeing a different person. He looks the same to me. Doesnt mean he isnt guilty, I just dont have the ability to determine guilt based on looks.

 

[Jenifred]

Sorry...I must not have the gift, because Im not seeing a different person. He looks the same to me. Doesnt mean he isnt guilty, I just dont have the ability to determine guilt based on looks.

I'm not saying that he's guilty of murder because of the way he looks. However he has been unfaithful when he promised to be faithful (many people have been able to back this up). And that's one of the Ten Commandments too.

And let me not forget the whole embezzling too. Thou shall not steal.

 

[Timex]

I'm not saying that he's guilty of murder because of the way he looks. However he has been unfaithful when he promised to be faithful (many people have been able to back this up). And that's one of the Ten Commandments too.

Yes, I know he has had affairs, but I wouldnt have known that just by looking at his photo's.

 

[Jenifred]

Yes, I know he has had affairs, but I wouldnt have known that just by looking at his photo's.

Nor would I, Timex. I'm saying that he looks different in his photos. That's it. Not that I can call him guilty because of them or that I can tell he's had affairs. But he's different.

 

[NCBanker]

I agree. There has been a change in his countenance. This usually happens as a result of sexual impropriety, embezzling, murder, etc.

Nor would I, Timex. I'm saying that he looks different in his photos. That's it. Not that I can call him guilty because of them or that I can tell he's had affairs. But he's different.

 

[Jenifred]

Yet another day with no news. I guess that it's good to still stop by and see that people are still looking at the forum.

Any more opinions on the whole no more ravenstree and memorial video? No one seemed to know if LE would have them removed for a reason or not.

 

[golfmom]

Yet another day with no news. I guess that it's good to still stop by and see that people are still looking at the forum.

Any more opinions on the whole no more ravenstree and memorial video? No one seemed to know if LE would have them removed for a reason or not.

Heya Jen! I don't believe for one moment that LE would have removed the website or memorial. There is no reason for them to do so.

Again, I think it's Mr. P.Ness trying to minimize his actions. He's trying to hide the fact that Janet was murdered. He's ready to move on with his life . . .