General Discussions #5

[SouthEastSleuth]

I can't help but think if he lied about all of these thing, he would be arrested by now.

Yes... and the key one, to me anyway, is the alibi thing. IF he was playing soccer, then I still maintain that LE would somehow verify that, or not.. even if it was a pick-up game. I just believe that. But that's just me.

But then I always come back to, could he have murdered her, THEN gone to play soccer as an alibi... Maybe he didn't even think that TOD could catch him i a lie there, who knows....

 

[NCBanker]

Where is this new picture posted? Can't find it.

Happy Friday, everyone!

Thanks Julia for posting the soccer picture of Raven. Do you know if Raven had any close friends on the team or at college?

 

[Jesstexas]

I was just going to ask the same thing, NCB. Did the poster delete it?

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

Check the Memory/Memorial thread...

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Yes... and the key one, to me anyway, is the alibi thing. IF he was playing soccer, then I still maintain that LE would somehow verify that, or not.. even if it was a pick-up game. I just believe that. But that's just me.

But then I always come back to, could he have murdered her, THEN gone to play soccer as an alibi... Maybe he didn't even think that TOD could catch him i a lie there, who knows....

But maybe he never told LE that he was at a soccer game or that she might have committed suicide. Maybe those were things only said to his family.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Okay, this is so confusing ... what did he tell his family, what did he tell LE, did he play soccer that night or didn't he? Someone mentioned making a timeline. Let's give it our best shot.

We know that Janet was working. It's been rumored that Raven had also found a job by this point. Do we know this to be a fact?

IF they were both working, Kaiden must have been with a sitter. So what time would Kaiden have been picked up? Who was watching him? Was it the same "trusted friend" that Raven had mentioned?

What did they most likely do when they got home? Probably had dinner. Then what?

I think that we should try to establish this the best we can with as much detail as we can muster.

 

[Timex]

But maybe he never told LE that he was at a soccer game or that she might have committed suicide. Maybe those were things only said to his family.

This could be, but since the soccer alibi has been mentioned in news reports, law enforcement would know about it. Again, if they felt he was telling different story's to different people, it would at least warrant him being brought in for serious questioning.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

This could be, but since the soccer alibi has been mentioned in news reports, law enforcement would know about it. Again, if they felt he was telling different story's to different people, it would at least warrant him being brought in for serious questioning.

True but if he didn't tell police those things, they might not even know what he said to his family. If his family is in Utah, would they still question them in this investigation?

 

[golfmom]

True but if he didn't tell police those things, they might not even know what he said to his family. If his family is in Utah, would they still question them in this investigation?

Sort of like SP being in Paris.

 

[Timex]

True but if he didn't tell police those things, they might not even know what he said to his family. If his family is in Utah, would they still question them in this investigation?

Well....its been printed in the media...and been discussed over and over on this board. So, again, IMO they know about the soccer story. I have to give LE at least that much credit. Its investigation 101.

 

[golfmom]

You've got me thinking about the baby-sitter. I wonder if there were regularly scheduled sitting hours for Kaiden? Who dropped Kaiden off or picked him up. And at what times.

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

Okay, this is so confusing ... what did he tell his family, what did he tell LE, did he play soccer that night or didn't he? Someone mentioned making a timeline. Let's give it our best shot.

We know that Janet was working. It's been rumored that Raven had also found a job by this point. Do we know this to be a fact?

IF they were both working, Kaiden must have been with a sitter. So what time would Kaiden have been picked up? Who was watching him? Was it the same "trusted friend" that Raven had mentioned?

What did they most likely do when they got home? Probably had dinner. Then what?

I think that we should try to establish this the best we can with as much detail as we can muster.

I've often wondered about whether Raven WAS actually employed or not at this time.

And yes, I DO remember him referring to a "trusted friend" as someone who was a sitter for Kaiden.

So, it is definitely interesting to wonder if in fact that sitter was being utilized that day at all. And if so, when? I wonder too, if the sitter was used everyday, or, sporadically? And who routinely dropped off/picked up Kaiden from the sitter?

IF, as someone speculated, Raven was working from home... he may still have used the sitter, at least on occasion?? Or maybe even if Janet was working, and he was going to play soccer, maybe drops Kaiden at a sitter??

As Jersey points out, the ONLY information we have regarding Raven's supposed sequence of events that evening (coming home, kissing Kaiden, etc.) are from a family source. LE is the source I'd like to hear from on that front!

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Well....its been printed in the media...and been discussed over and over on this board. So, again, IMO they know about the soccer story. I have to give LE at least that much credit. Its investigation 101.

Okay, so maybe he was playing soccer. But as far as lying about a gunshot or lying about suicide, it probably can't be determined without some sort of evidence to back it up that those statements were lies or intentionally misleading. We can't prove or disprove someone's perception of things until evidence perhaps shows us that the person was involved. Then we can assume that he knew all along that it wasn't suicide or whatever. Telling his family he thinks it was suicide is one thing; telling police that could be in the hopes that they wouldn't launch an investigation.

 

[Timex]

Sort of like SP being in Paris.

And LE KNEW he was lying the whole time. This case doesnt really compare to the Peterson case IMO, when it comes to waiting to make an arrest. There were obvious reasons why there was no arrest earlier in the Peterson case. Im not seeing those reasons here.

LE has to know about the soccer story. No way they can't know at this point. It was either verified or not. Again, if they caught him in such a lie, that would be more than enough reason to bring him in.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

You've got me thinking about the baby-sitter. I wonder if there were regularly scheduled sitting hours for Kaiden? Who dropped Kaiden off or picked him up. And at what times.

And who was s/he? How long did they know him/her? Is this person as trust-worthy as they thought? Etcetera ...

 

[Timex]

Okay, so maybe he was playing soccer. But as far as lying about a gunshot or lying about suicide, it probably can't be determined without some sort of evidence to back it up that those statements were lies or intentionally misleading. We can't prove or disprove someone's perception of things until evidence perhaps shows us that the person was involved. Then we can assume that he knew all along that it wasn't suicide or whatever. Telling his family he thinks it was suicide is one thing; telling police that could be in the hopes that they wouldn't launch an investigation.

Him saying he thought it was a gunshot wound wouldnt raise red flags to me, but saying he thought she committed suicide would. I would think that would be all the more reason for LE to be skeptical and dig deeper into the facts. Was she depressed? Had anyone noticed a change in her etc.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

LE has to know about the soccer story. No way they can't know at this point. It was either verified or not. Again, if they caught him in such a lie, that would be more than enough reason to bring him in.

So if he told them he played soccer, he played soccer. It still doesn't mean that he did or did not murder his wife. I'm not sure what we're debating right now. LOL.

 

[golfmom]

And LE KNEW he was lying the whole time. This case doesnt really compare to the Peterson case IMO, when it comes to waiting to make an arrest. There were obvious reasons why there was no arrest earlier in the Peterson case. Im not seeing those reasons here.

LE has to know about the soccer story. No way they can't know at this point. It was either verified or not. Again, if they caught him in such a lie, that would be more than enough reason to bring him in.

There are a couple of possibilities on this one ... if LE doesn't know he's lying on a subject that would be important. If they do, this actually could be closer to the peterson case and they are just giving him enough rope to hang himself while waiting on forensics.

I agree LE has to know about the soccer story and can either prove or disprove the alibi, but what if there are additional things Raven is telling family/friends that aren't true and LE doesn't know about them?

 

[Timex]

There are a couple of possibilities on this one ... if LE doesn't know he's lying on a subject that would be important. If they do, this actually could be closer to the peterson case and they are just giving him enough rope to hang himself while waiting on forensics.

I agree LE has to know about the soccer story and can either prove or disprove the alibi, but what if there are additional things Raven is telling family/friends that aren't true and LE doesn't know about them?

Not if the family is communicating with LE., which I would hope they are at this point.

The reason for no arrest in the Peterson case was there was no real crime scene..no body...they didnt know how, when, where or anything. They have ALL of that and more in this case. Scott was giving media interviews...hanging himself on a day to day basis. Raven isnt saying a word.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I DO remember him referring to a "trusted friend" as someone who was a sitter for Kaiden.

So, it is definitely interesting to wonder if in fact that sitter was being utilized that day at all. And if so, when? I wonder too, if the sitter was used everyday, or, sporadically? And who routinely dropped off/picked up Kaiden from the sitter?

IF, as someone speculated, Raven was working from home... he may still have used the sitter, at least on occasion?? Or maybe even if Janet was working, and he was going to play soccer, maybe drops Kaiden at a sitter??

Do either Janet or Raven have family in NC? Was it a family member watching Kaiden or a friend? If a friend, was it a friend from church, former co-worker, neighbor? How long did they know him/her? Can anyone help us with these details?

ETA: Do you think LE has learned of the possibility of a sitter and interviewed him/her?