General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[dodie20]

Dodie - Have you seen the video of MC after RC proposed to her? She's happily smiling at ToC when he passes her and she shoves her left hand with her new ring on his chest? She wasn't scared or disgusted by his presence, she happily touches his chest. But then look at ToC when she does this. He appears to be disgusted with her. If someone beat me or raped me or threatened my life I'd be no where near them. I'd run and hide, not smile in their face or touch them. And if she was so scared of JO why did she go to Tenn with the possibility of running into them by myself.

I hope that I don't get sent to time-out.

you won't get a time out. I've just been trying to make all of these stories fit. Either Tommy is up to his eyeballs in this, or he's a complete liar who's making stuff up to appease LE's demand for infoermation. Hey, it's been done before. Misty's reaction to Tommy could be due to any number of things. Maybe she was putting on a show of unity for the cameras. Maybe she just decided to put all of that out of her mind. Misty's a weird one. Maybe she can switch the negativity off. If Tommy was involved & she wasn't, don't forget that she was raised with him supposedly abusing her, & she could've learned from a very young age to disconnect. But if she & Tommy were both involved, her reaction would be even weirder-because you would think that a normal response would've been an aversion towards each other. I saw that same clip, & there is no way I can give Tommy props for being disgusted with Misty-not with all of the stories &details that he has released. He has in no uncertain terms, admitted to his involvement. IMO, he looked like a wasted, strung out mess, & more than a little intimidating. Also, now that he has opened up about what went down, the fact that he was even there when that video was shot, (wasn't it a benefit for Haleigh?), makes me sick. What was he thinking?

 

[Wendy101]

To fit with my theory, I would have to say Tommy looks rather angry in the video of MC showing off her ring to him. Perhaps maybe jealous?

Heck, since the Croslin's & family only knew Ronald for what 4 months before Haleigh went missing, maybe this whole thing was a " get Ronald Cummings back". Maybe Ronald did something BEFORE he even met a Croslin/family, something real bad. So the Croslins were out to get Ronald using Misty as their main actress. Maybe Misty never did love Ronald..ever...he was HER game.

 

[cj1132]

To fit with my theory, I would have to say Tommy looks rather angry in the video of MC showing off her ring to him. Perhaps maybe jealous?

Heck, since the Croslin's & family only knew Ronald for what 4 months before Haleigh went missing, maybe this whole thing was a " get Ronald Cummings back". Maybe Ronald did something BEFORE he even met a Croslin/family, something real bad. So the Croslins were out to get Ronald using Misty as their main actress. Maybe Misty never did love Ronald..ever...he was HER game.

I will respectfully disagree with you on this.

 

[Maven2379]

To fit with my theory, I would have to say Tommy looks rather angry in the video of MC showing off her ring to him. Perhaps maybe jealous?

Heck, since the Croslin's & family only knew Ronald for what 4 months before Haleigh went missing, maybe this whole thing was a " get Ronald Cummings back". Maybe Ronald did something BEFORE he even met a Croslin/family, something real bad. So the Croslins were out to get Ronald using Misty as their main actress. Maybe Misty never did love Ronald..ever...he was HER game.

I doubt that ...very seriously. The Croslins have not shown they are ones to prepare for much of anything. They sort of fly by the seat of their pants, go where the wind takes them. I really doubt any of them planned any of this in advance.

 

[Gwen]

I hope this is not OT. If it is please remove it.

I have been spending a little time reading about Florida sentencing guidelines for these drug charges. None of these charges on any of the bunch is light sentences. If we take them one at a time (the defendants) and look at what sentences might be it is very interesting.

Ron is begging for a 15 year deal. Why? He could be going away for many many years. He has priors. No reason to not toss him in the tank and let him learn his lesson.

Then we have Tommy. I almost (ALMOST) feel sorry for him. Bless his heart.....I think he really is just a junkie that wound up in this because of his habit. I heard tonite on NG that prosecutors told him he WAS going away for 3 years if he didn't help with the Haleigh case. So 3 years for Tommy if I am correct.

Then we have Misty. First time offender. Young and probably a good candidate for rehabilation. I had to ask myself what would a Fl. court do with someone like her. I did some research and found a program called Youthful Offender. I simply Googled it for those itching for a link. It was an interesting read.
I remember her talking with her parents in jail about how she would qualify for this program. If that is true and I found no reason as much as I read that it isn't, then she would do very little jailtime.

That brings me to my point. What if Ron is really the only one who is going to do real time for the drug charges? Tommy talks some and gets off with time served. Misty qualifies for YO sentencing and does little time and bootcamp. What does this say about what LE is actually doing down there.

So here is my scenario, Ron gets at least 15 years. Misty tells enough to get into the YO program and does little time. Tommy sings like a bird and walks with time served. How pizzed is RC gonna be?

I had up until tonite believed that Ron was just gravy for LE when they got him in the drug bust. But tonite I am thinking that he was absolutely the target. Sure they have enough to put Tommy away for a little while. They have enough to put Misty away for a long while provided she doesn't get the YO sentence. But RON IS GONE! Makes me wonder what LE is really thinking.

Again, I am sorry if I am off topic. I tried to find the best place to put this. Rant over.

 

[cluciano63]

First off, RC is/was not head over heels in love with Misty...the way he "talked" to her on the 911 call is evidence enough of that for me...she filled a need and fit with his program.

RC has not had the wool pulled over his eyes...he fits right into the Croslin bunch as far as I can see...they all belong to the drug subculture and as we know, bad things happen there. Children are often the victims of drugs, accidents, carelessness or abuse in this life. As we sit here at our keyboards, kids are being abused, neglected, ignored, etc in drug houses (as well as non-drug houses, of course) all over the country. Haleigh's chances of becoming a victim were probably higher than most children, due to the lifestyle of her "caregivers". I'm a little offtrack here, but what we are seeing with all of the lies and tall tales from the players seems to me to be typical of drug users, who spend much of their time lying, justifying and avoiding responsibility or consequences. The fact that they went ahead with their drug-oriented lives after Haleigh died shows that losing her was just a bump in the road instead of the life-altering wake-up call it would be for most people. RC's behavior in this way is most shocking to me...in the video he is all about drugs and money and counting the pills...nothing else matters at that moment and that is the true mark of a junkie, IMO.

Just an early morning ramble here, sorry, but this is the theories thread, so hope I am OK with this here.

 

[Lanie]

A lot of people think Ron is involved, and if he is, I say let him fry. But, I do have some things that make me think Ron is not involved.

LE has said at least a couple of times Misty knows more than she is saying, and Misty is the key. I haven't heard anything about Ron.

To my knowledge, Ron has taken one LDT, right at the beginning. Misty has taken 2 or 3 or 4, with one of those possibly being some kind of voice stress test thing. Is there any valid information out there Ron has taken more than one, or was even asked to take more than one?

To my knowledge, Misty was asked to come in, or taken in for questioning on several occasions. I'm not aware the same can be said for Ron.

When LE did the search of the river, it seems to be accepted it was because of Tommy. It also seems to be accepted Tommy was taken to that specific area of the river. We have seen video proof Misty was taken to that area of the river. Why wasn't Ron taken there?

Tommy's story as of now, as we have been told so far, does not have Ron as a component. We heard his call to Granny Flo, where she asks him about pills and Ron, and he says that's BS. LE could have had that call sealed as part of an ongoing investigation if they had so chosen.

Tommy is supposedly telling this story now in an effort to make a plea deal and get a reduced sentence. How would this work with him using JO as code for Ron, if that is indeed what he was doing? For Tommy to get a plea deal, and I am sure his attorney has made this clear to him, he is going to have to give a story that checks out. Blaming JO when it was in fact Ron makes no sense. Of course, I have to add blaming JO, even if it was JO, makes no sense if there is nothing to back it up.

Anyway, just my :twocents:.

 

[txsvicki]

I think Misty and Tommy are lying like dogs about Joe, and especially after hearing the phone call between Tommy and Flora. Tommy is the one who knows all the details and Misty supposedly had her head covered up. Someone did a big cleanup and cover up on the trailer if Haleigh died there, and neither one of them had a mark on them from being threatened with a weapon. Plus, Jr. has not spoken of a big fight or of Joe being there. All he said was that a man, one man all in black took Haleigh at some point after two black guys came to see Misty. Tommy told Flora that "someone" needs to do something to Joe. Does he hope to get Joe killed before he can talk and tell what he knows, and why did Misty only seem jealous and resentful that Joe was still out and able to sell pot. Not one word about paying for hurting Haleigh or any real signs of worry about the other children in the family or Flora. Disgusting liars IMO.

 

[Justin Tyme]

Okay - Here we go:
I was asleep
I just woke up and the kitchen light was on
I remember seeing ToC going out the back door
I hit her in the head with a stick or board: Per GMH
I hid my head under the cover with Jr. while listening to Haleigh's scream in the next room
JO raped me
feel free to add more

FEEL FREE TO ADD MORE

I was at werk
I was at werk
I was at werk

Maybe we should make a list off all the things that each one has said and the put a P in front of what has been proven and a U for unproven,and a big L for whats been proven to be a lie.

How could that be done? In it's own thread of course, leave no one out.
RC,MC,ToC,JO,TiC,CC,LinC,LC,HC,GMH,GMS,TN and anyone else involved.

See how many stories match up along the way.

 

[gngr~snap]

Okay - Here we go:
I was asleep
I just woke up and the kitchen light was on
I remember seeing ToC going out the back door
I hit her in the head with a stick or board: Per GMH
I hid my head under the cover with Jr. while listening to Haleigh's scream in the next room
JO raped me
I was doin laundry the blanket smelled like pee
feel free to add more

FEEL FREE TO ADD MORE

I was at werk
I was at werk
I was at werk
and later there was no washing powder
the beds weren't slept in
Jo was not at the MH
there was no fight
there was no gun.

Maybe we should make a list off all the things that each one has said and the put a P in front of what has been proven and a U for unproven,and a big L for whats been proven to be a lie.

How could that be done? In it's own thread of course, leave no one out.
RC,MC,ToC,JO,TiC,CC,LinC,LC,HC,GMH,GMS,TN and anyone else involved.

See how many stories match up along the way.

Microsoft would need to invent a new edition in order for us to do that. called WINDOWS without blankets

 

[gngr~snap]

Honestly I think whatever they (Croslin Clan) came up with since the beginning Ron has disputed it. I think he was being underhanded from the very beginning! Has he EVER agreed with ANYTHING they reported?

 

[txsvicki]

Has Misty actually said that she was raped that night or is it a theory? Too bad they didn't get dna, because they might have found the dna of one or two black men just like Jr. said. Another change is from Tommy and Joe being there to "take" the gun, and now it was to "borrow" the gun. Guess Tommy and Misty didn't think ahead about being involved in a planned robbery that resulted in a murder and cover up of toddler.

 

[aoibhinn]

Has Misty actually said that she was raped that night or is it a theory?

No. It is based completely on speculation by theorists.

 

[gngr~snap]

I really hope that misty was never raped by anyone. To me she uses the term a little too flippantly... If she were to have been raped as much as she claims I would think she would have become a recluse or something maybe not! IMO she's crying wolf...

 

[gngr~snap]

I really hope that misty was never raped by anyone. To me she uses the term a little too flippantly... If she were to have been raped as much as she claims I would think she would have become a recluse or something... maybe not! IMO she's crying wolf...
I mean if you want to get technical every time she was "with" anyone she was being raped because she was under 18.... :truce:

opps double post mods please remove 794!
my apologies

 

[kimmera]

Microsoft would need to invent a new edition in order for us to do that. called WINDOWS without blankets

:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:

 

[Maryann123]

Lanie, I hope you don't mind me copying over your theory to this thread. I was working on a theory and reading yours helped me to join the dots.

Respectfully snipped.

Not at all. Glad I could be of assistance. :blushing:

I'll flesh my theory out since this is the theory thread. Everything I post here is MOO, and I am taking some liberties with what I think is true, seeing as most of what is out there is not what I would consider reliably verified.

I do believe Ron abused Crystal, and his other baby mama, and also Misty.

Snipped, and snipped some more....LOL

He marries her because he feels guilty for what happened to her, but as time goes by, he starts to think Haleigh is dead and he's not going to get her back, and he loses his protectiveness towards her a little bit.

Snipped some more!

Anyway, this is the only thing I could come up with that explains things the way I see them, so feel free to punch holes.

Ronald and Crystal had two children together and he never felt the need to marry her. He had another child with Amber, and never felt the need to marry her, either.
He loses a child while hooked up with Misty (the last person to see his child alive) and he decides she is the one he is finally going to marry.

That doesn't work for me.

 

[Maryann123]

Okay - Here we go:
I was asleep
I just woke up and the kitchen light was on
I remember seeing ToC going out the back door
I hit her in the head with a stick or board: Per GMH
I hid my head under the cover with Jr. while listening to Haleigh's scream in the next room
JO raped me
feel free to add more

FEEL FREE TO ADD MORE

I was at werk
I was at werk
I was at werk

Maybe we should make a list off all the things that each one has said and the put a P in front of what has been proven and a U for unproven,and a big L for whats been proven to be a lie.

How could that be done? In it's own thread of course, leave no one out.
RC,MC,ToC,JO,TiC,CC,LinC,LC,HC,GMH,GMS,TN and anyone else involved.

See how many stories match up along the way.

Ok, I'll start!

P- Haleigh is missing.

That's all I know to be the truth.

 

[Emeralgem]

To fit with my theory, I would have to say Tommy looks rather angry in the video of MC showing off her ring to him. Perhaps maybe jealous?

Heck, since the Croslin's & family only knew Ronald for what 4 months before Haleigh went missing, maybe this whole thing was a " get Ronald Cummings back". Maybe Ronald did something BEFORE he even met a Croslin/family, something real bad. So the Croslins were out to get Ronald using Misty as their main actress. Maybe Misty never did love Ronald..ever...he was HER game.

Change that to Ron was out to get the Croslins and Ron never loved Misty ever and I will agree..JMO

 

[aoibhinn]

Didn't realise there was a Joe theory thread. Moving to there.