General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[oceanblueeyes]

Excellent post and I agree with most of what you have stated except what I have bolded..Ron C doesn't care who is implicated just as long as it isn't him.
And IF he isn't accusing anyone it isn't because he believes it would be wrong to do so...It's all self serving.. JMO

I think he wants justice for Haleigh and wants the person or persons who were involved to be held accountable. Of course like other parents have voiced before when faced with tragedies like this one, he would probably like to kill everyone of them himself.

And imo, justice is coming for this sweet precious child.

IMO

 

[lorann]

I am very curious about something. For those of you that believe that Ronald Cummings shot his child in some kind of altercation....I am very interested in reading a theory on this. Where did it happen? How did Haleigh get in between her Daddy and bullet? What about blood evidence? When did it happen?

Because I have thoughtfully examined this theory over the last year and there are too many unanswered questions for it to be possible in my opinion. Anyone care to share?

To me, it is very possible. RC is a gun toter and I think he would have carried it. Misty picked Haleigh up from the bus and headed to her folks place - RC chased her there, mad over her weekend escapades and started yelling and threatening. Haleigh was so upset she tried to get in the way - Tommy and Joe were there too and tried to stop Ron. Maybe Joe or Tommy were armed? A shot was fired and Haleigh was hit. I think this happened outside near Hank & Lisa's place. The coverup began, they are all in fear of Ron. This does not excuse any of them for not coming forward in all of this time - makes them all guilty. JMHO

 

[elle1919]

To me, it is very possible. RC is a gun toter and I think he would have carried it. Misty picked Haleigh up from the bus and headed to her folks place - RC chased her there, mad over her weekend escapades and started yelling and threatening. Haleigh was so upset she tried to get in the way - Tommy and Joe were there too and tried to stop Ron. Maybe Joe or Tommy were armed? A shot was fired and Haleigh was hit. I think this happened outside near Hank & Lisa's place. The coverup began, they are all in fear of Ron. This does not excuse any of them for not coming forward in all of this time - makes them all guilty. JMHO

Why would RC chase Misty over to Hank and Lisa's when they had just spent all day lounging around the trailer...sleeping/talking? Greg P said Misty told him she would be going to the hospital to visit her Dad in Gainsville on that Monday....but she never went....instead she spent the day at 202 working things out with RC.

What about the AC Repairman? Law Enforcement states he was present at 202 Green lane at 5 pm....after RC had reportedly left for work. Perhaps he didn't see Haleigh alive but in my opinion there wasn't time enough for there to be a short car chase over to Magnolia, a shooting, then Misty races back to 202 green lane to meet the AC Man and such while RC drives 20 minutes to get to PDM and punch in early for his shift...it just doesn't seem possible in my opinion.

 

[lorann]

Why would RC chase Misty over to Hank and Lisa's when they had just spent all day lounging around the trailer...sleeping/talking? Greg P said Misty told him she would be going to the hospital to visit her Dad in Gainsville on that Monday....but she never went....instead she spent the day at 202 working things out with RC.

What about the AC Repairman? Law Enforcement states he was present at 202 Green lane at 5 pm....after RC had reportedly left for work. Perhaps he didn't see Haleigh alive but in my opinion there wasn't time enough for there to be a short car chase over to Magnolia, a shooting, then Misty races back to 202 green lane to meet the AC Man and such while RC drives 20 minutes to get to PDM and punch in early for his shift...it just doesn't seem possible in my opinion.

TN said they spent the day sleeping, talking, and working on their relationship. And JR spent the day sleeping. Then later Misty included that in her tests. Was TN there too? With his personality and control issues, I find it hard to believe after packing up her clothes and thowing them in someone's front yard - Ron would calmly discuss working on a relationship.

AC man could have called to say he would be at the trailer, Misty & Tommy and his kids rushed there for that appointment. That would cover that IF AC man didn't remember specifically seeing Haleigh. I would wonder if he only remembered kids running around?

I am not making stuff up I am just trying to make my theory work.

 

[elle1919]

TN said they spent the day sleeping, talking, and working on their relationship. And JR spent the day sleeping. Then later Misty included that in her tests. Was TN there too? With his personality and control issues, I find it hard to believe after packing up her clothes and thowing them in someone's front yard - Ron would calmly discuss working on a relationship.

AC man could have called to say he would be at the trailer, Misty & Tommy and his kids rushed there for that appointment. That would cover that IF AC man didn't remember specifically seeing Haleigh. I would wonder if he only remembered kids running around?

I am not making stuff up I am just trying to make my theory work.

I definitely don't think you are making things up, but LE has confirmed when the repairman was at the trailer. Honestly, I have considered a theory much like yours involving a gun as well and something taking place away from 202 Green Lane involving Ronald and Misty as well as Tommy and Joe just didn't add up properly time wise when you consider the AC Man's visit around 5 pm that day and RC punching in for work around the same time if not before.

Personally, I think the AC Repairman will be a key time line witness. I found Misty's statement " Haleigh was playing outside, doing wheelies..etc, followed by Haleigh was doing just great then" to be somewhat revealing and troublesome. I believe Haleigh was alive after RC went to work and something happened after the AC Repairman's visit, simply by examining her use of the word "then."

BTW...thank you for your answer!

 

[TobyWong*]

Excellent post and I agree with most of what you have stated except what I have bolded..Ron C doesn't care who is implicated just as long as it isn't him.
And IF he isn't accusing anyone it isn't because he believes it would be wrong to do so...It's all self serving.. JMO

I totally know what your saying. I don't know why I keep "wanting" ron to have a conscience about his daughter. You are right it's all self serving.

And going back to my theroy, cause i cannot quit. ron gave misty the gun and told her where to hide it. Maybe ron had Haleighs body w/ him and on the way to work (for alibi) was on the phone w/ ? tn? stopped by the mh and grabbed her blanket (cause the kidnap in the night scenario got started), wrapped her in the blanket as a loving gesture, i suppose. But then dropped her body at the dumpster and some other closer family member picked her up so that they (the cummings) were in on the burial and the croslins were cleaning up at the crime scene. Ok now I'm back to Haleigh getting shoved or hit. I cannot see the croslins cleaning up that well, or even wanting to for ron's sake. Ok but there is so much empty or open space down there so if a shot happened in a large yard or area, then i guess it would'nt be to hard to cover. Yea and misty ran home and was'nt seen for a couple days right afterward.hmmm i always thought that was to detox but who knows.

 

[suspicious1]

To me, it is very possible. RC is a gun toter and I think he would have carried it. Misty picked Haleigh up from the bus and headed to her folks place - RC chased her there, mad over her weekend escapades and started yelling and threatening. Haleigh was so upset she tried to get in the way - Tommy and Joe were there too and tried to stop Ron. Maybe Joe or Tommy were armed? A shot was fired and Haleigh was hit. I think this happened outside near Hank & Lisa's place. The coverup began, they are all in fear of Ron. This does not excuse any of them for not coming forward in all of this time - makes them all guilty. JMHO

I have a question-if Tommy and JO was apart of the altercation that led to Haleigh's death, couldn't they still be charged with something?? I really don't know, but I would assume, they could be.

Maybe Misty got into it with Ron and called Tommy to come to the rescue and Tommy called Timmy/JO?? Tommy probably knew he couldn't take Ron by himself or was scared to try to take Ron on by himself. By the time they all meet up-Ron, Misty, Tommy, Jo, maybe Timmy...Ron is outnumbered 2-3 to 1. I can totally see Ron getting his gun and cussing and threatening to kill somebody. He needed backup and the gun made him much more powerful than the rest. Maybe he did start shooting and Haleigh got hit. Can you imagine the Croslins going through that with Ron???? That's what they feared...all of them....If Ron was actually shooting at them, without good aim, I would have been thinking "He was really trying to kill me!". If Ron would do that.....I would be afraid to talk too especially if I knew he harmed his daughter. With this theory, Ron already showed them what he was capable of....so they were all well aware of his madness. IMO, that's what kept them from talking. That and the fact they went over there trying to protect Misty, therefore, starting an altercation with Ron. Maybe they felt, if they hadn't started the altercation Haleigh would still be alive...and that's where the guilt comes in.

Wouldn't that still be trouble for the Croslins??? If they started the altercation that led to Haleigh's death, although, they did not fire the fatal shot, couldn't they still be held responsible??

I have a few theories but this one would explain:
1. Why no one wanted to talk-(Misty brought her family into this, the family start altercation, Haleigh ends up dead).
2. Why it was so easy to implicate JO-(maybe Jo threw the first punch-therefore, they're trying to say he is the one that started the altercation-if he hadn't hit Ron-none of this would've ever happened.)
3. Why there's all this "gun" talk
4. Why LE isn't really putting the spotlight on Ron-(they know he's involved but they want to know exactly what led up to the events that took place and that's why they pressured the Croslins. The Croslins started the altercation that led to Haleigh's death, even if they didn't actually kill her.)
5. Why Misty is the key-(she started the altercation and became part of the cover up)
6. Why LE wanted to go back 30 hours prior to Haleigh going missing-(It all started with Misty's wild weekend, and that's the reason Ron and Misty were feuding-LE was trying to understand why Ron and Misty were even arguing...and what made her call her family.)
7. Why there are "several persons of interest"-(they're including the Croslins because they started the altercation....and Ron because he actually pulled the trigger that killed Haleigh.)
8. Why Ron hands were bruised up following Haleigh's "disappearance"-(he had been in a fight.)

JMO

 

[Baznme]

I have a question-if Tommy and JO was apart of the altercation that led to Haleigh's death, couldn't they still be charged with something?? I really don't know, but I would assume, they could be.

Maybe Misty got into it with Ron and called Tommy to come to the rescue and Tommy called Timmy/JO?? Tommy probably knew he couldn't take Ron by himself or was scared to try to take Ron on by himself. By the time they all meet up-Ron, Misty, Tommy, Jo, maybe Timmy...Ron is outnumbered 2-3 to 1. I can totally see Ron getting his gun and cussing and threatening to kill somebody. He needed backup and the gun made him much more powerful than the rest. Maybe he did start shooting and Haleigh got hit. Can you imagine the Croslins going through that with Ron???? That's what they feared...all of them....If Ron was actually shooting at them, without good aim, I would have been thinking "He was really trying to kill me!". If Ron would do that.....I would be afraid to talk too especially if I knew he harmed his daughter. With this theory, Ron already showed them what he was capable of....so they were all well aware of his madness. IMO, that's what kept them from talking. That and the fact they went over there trying to protect Misty, therefore, starting an altercation with Ron. Maybe they felt, if they hadn't started the altercation Haleigh would still be alive...and that's where the guilt comes in.

Wouldn't that still be trouble for the Croslins??? If they started the altercation that led to Haleigh's death, although, they did not fire the fatal shot, couldn't they still be held responsible??

I have a few theories but this one would explain:
1. Why no one wanted to talk-(Misty brought her family into this, the family start altercation, Haleigh ends up dead).
2. Why it was so easy to implicate JO-(maybe Jo threw the first punch-therefore, they're trying to say he is the one that started the altercation-if he hadn't hit Ron-none of this would've ever happened.)
3. Why there's all this "gun" talk
4. Why LE isn't really putting the spotlight on Ron-(they know he's involved but they want to know exactly what led up to the events that took place and that's why they pressured the Croslins. The Croslins started the altercation that led to Haleigh's death, even if they didn't actually kill her.)
5. Why Misty is the key-(she started the altercation and became part of the cover up)
6. Why LE wanted to go back 30 hours prior to Haleigh going missing-(It all started with Misty's wild weekend, and that's the reason Ron and Misty were feuding-LE was trying to understand why Ron and Misty were even arguing...and what made her call her family.)
7. Why there are "several persons of interest"-(they're including the Croslins because they started the altercation....and Ron because he actually pulled the trigger that killed Haleigh.)
8. Why Ron hands were bruised up following Haleigh's "disappearance"-(he had been in a fight.)

JMO

Just one problem. If all that was going on, how come no one heard a gunshot?

 

[lorann]

I am rehashed out. Until something new comes up, I think I will just have to read everyone else's theories. This thing is wearing me out!!!

 

[suspicious1]

Just one problem. If all that was going on, how come no one heard a gunshot?

Maybe they did..but didn't know it was a gunshot they heard.:waitasec:

 

[suspicious1]

I am rehashed out. Until something new comes up, I think I will just have to read everyone else's theories. This thing is wearing me out!!!

I hear ya!!!

We need a Doc Dump!!!

 

[debs]

They were NOT right down the street at Tyler before the call. The Tyler comment on the dispatch was AFTER that same officer had been to Green Lane. She then went to Tyler to look for Haleigh there--probably due to finding out Misty's brother lived right down the street. FWIW most folks think Greenwood gave the wrong time of the call--he made several other mistakes on the same interview.

someone will, someday, have to explain to me why dispatch didn't know why officer 1256 (or whatever her number is) was on Tyler, then. "What's going on at Tyler?"

 

[TobyWong*]

I think he wants justice for Haleigh and wants the person or persons who were involved to be held accountable. Of course like other parents have voiced before when faced with tragedies like this one, he would probably like to kill everyone of them himself.

And imo, justice is coming for this sweet precious child.

IMO

I have to disagree. IMO ron could not contain that kind of anger for over a year. imo at some point, any point, he would've already been arrested for great bodily harm at the least, if he harbored murderous feelings towards one or all of the croslins. To me ron does'nt hide emotion very well. There's a ng clip where ron, sitting next to tn rolls his eyes and shakes his head at a callers question re: mistys age and the marriage. He does not care what he looks like or how he comes off, so I don't think he'd keep wanting to kill everyone of them under wraps enough to keep seeing, sleeping with, playing drug games with the same people he wants dead because they harmed Haleigh.
I so wish I could believe ron had nothing to do with what happened to Haleigh.

But i do agree that justice is coming. I can feel it.

 

[Baznme]

To me, it is very possible. RC is a gun toter and I think he would have carried it. Misty picked Haleigh up from the bus and headed to her folks place - RC chased her there, mad over her weekend escapades and started yelling and threatening. Haleigh was so upset she tried to get in the way - Tommy and Joe were there too and tried to stop Ron. Maybe Joe or Tommy were armed? A shot was fired and Haleigh was hit. I think this happened outside near Hank & Lisa's place. The coverup began, they are all in fear of Ron. This does not excuse any of them for not coming forward in all of this time - makes them all guilty. JMHO

This theory makes more sense if I take myself away from 202 Green Lane. I think if you made a list of who "DIDN'T" know what happened, it becomes more clear.

Hank and Lisa due to the accident.
Lindsey due to her being the Croslin's transportation to the hospital.
Timmy/Chelsea - maybe.


Joe got the van. If they put her into Shell Harbor, it wasn't at that dock. It may have been close by but not that dock. The scratch on the van was most likely woody shrubs and mangrove bushes which would tell me to search along the banks or a private dock. The blocks I think we're meant to hold the body down, not to sink it.

 

[TobyWong*]

Why would RC chase Misty over to Hank and Lisa's when they had just spent all day lounging around the trailer...sleeping/talking? Greg P said Misty told him she would be going to the hospital to visit her Dad in Gainsville on that Monday....but she never went....instead she spent the day at 202 working things out with RC.

What about the AC Repairman? Law Enforcement states he was present at 202 Green lane at 5 pm....after RC had reportedly left for work. Perhaps he didn't see Haleigh alive but in my opinion there wasn't time enough for there to be a short car chase over to Magnolia, a shooting, then Misty races back to 202 green lane to meet the AC Man and such while RC drives 20 minutes to get to PDM and punch in early for his shift...it just doesn't seem possible in my opinion.

IMO I don't believe they were lounging all day. I just don't buy it. This was a volatile relationship. I doubt the ever lounged unless passed out. I think they didn't see each other cause misty had just gotten home Sunday. I doubt ron wanted her around right then. So she stayed elsewhere, maybe phone fighting w/ ron. Monday rolls around and ron has to work, tn doesn't want to, asks misty to, only if it was ok w? ron. I don't think he wanted her to but tn really didn't want to.

I do believe the ac guy was there. He prolly called before he headed to the mh and ron was at work so he told misty to get over there so there would be a record of them all being at the mh. imo kids all blend in when they are running around. He saw kids, could've been tommy's or timmy's?? after he leaves misty and tommy go back to clean up crime scene.

Just part of my rolling theory.

 

[elle1919]

IMO I don't believe they were lounging all day. I just don't buy it. This was a volatile relationship. I doubt the ever lounged unless passed out. I think they didn't see each other cause misty had just gotten home Sunday. I doubt ron wanted her around right then. So she stayed elsewhere, maybe phone fighting w/ ron. Monday rolls around and ron has to work, tn doesn't want to, asks misty to, only if it was ok w? ron. I don't think he wanted her to but tn really didn't want to.

I do believe the ac guy was there. He prolly called before he headed to the mh and ron was at work so he told misty to get over there so there would be a record of them all being at the mh. imo kids all blend in when they are running around. He saw kids, could've been tommy's or timmy's?? after he leaves misty and tommy go back to clean up crime scene.

Just part of my rolling theory.

This is where phone pings come in mighty handy huh?

 

[Oldsoul2]

Soooo close now... I posted on the astrology thread about a comment JVM made last week and I thought I would place it here too because it is pending on mind and agitating my suspicions....she mentioned that TC, if not involved, could not know where the body was to direct LE to the water and that he is petrified that his children will be in danger if tells what he knows, he also FAILED the polygraph. I keep insisting, that my feeling is that it is NOT Joe and this just made me realize that it can't be him. Joe is under the radar and would never chance going after TC kids, so there is no need to worry there but it being someone else, someone more dangerous that LE does not know about, he would definitely have reason to be scared.....keeping in mind that TC and MC could have a lesser sentence to spill the beans and we have seen how selfish and self serving they are, they still won't budge!!! This man...who took Haleigh, is an older, dangerous man, TC knows that he will do what he says he will if he rats. They know him, he is not an RSO so LE doesn't have a clue and he fell "inlove" with Haleigh so maybe the rose has something to do with that......still this is coming to a big halt very shortly, I sense the man is on the move, he is scared and has no way of connecting to TC right now and sensing he will break soon...

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Misty's scheduled to take 7 depositions on drug charges 05/19/2010 STARTING AT 11:00AM.
On May 11th a NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
was issued on the 7 drug charges in Putnam Co.
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

I was hoping that Misty had something useful to tell LE. Her attorney did mention a few weeks back that she too may of been talking. Sorry don't have the link handy.

We have Ron's attorney talking about a plea and Tommy's. Fields has been keeping everything pretty hush hush. What I find interesting is that Misty is taking depositions. I don't see that Ron, Tommy, Donna, or Hope are taking depo's. To me that means that Misty has some info that LE wants on record IMO.


Also looks as if Ronald's plea may of been accepted

Rpt: Ron Cummings accepts plea deal in exchange for testimony! http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

 

[ladonna]

Misty's scheduled to take 7 depositions on drug charges 05/19/2010 STARTING AT 11:00AM.
On May 11th a NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
was issued on the 7 drug charges in Putnam Co.
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

I was hoping that Misty had something useful to tell LE. Her attorney did mention a few weeks back that she too may of been talking. Sorry don't have the link handy.

We have Ron's attorney talking about a plea and Tommy's. Fields has been keeping everything pretty hush hush. What I find interesting is that Misty is taking depositions. I don't see that Ron, Tommy, Donna, or Hope are taking depo's. To me that means that Misty has some info that LE wants on record IMO.

Ya think Nancy's using the debunked Wesh article for her newest bombshell?

As far as the depos, aren't those the UC LE giving their depos 's to Misty nd her atty?
Also looks as if Ronald's plea may of been accepted

Rpt: Ron Cummings accepts plea deal in exchange for testimony! http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Ya think Nancy's using the debunked Wesh article for her newest bombshell?

As far as the depos, aren't those the UC LE giving their depos 's to Misty nd her atty?

 

[Justin Tyme]

suspicious1 #907.
What you said in the first paragraph got me to thinking. RC had threaten JO that he was going to smash his hand for stealing the gun. (I don't think that JO ever stole that gun, being that RC is the one that found it in the culvet and did LE a favor of cleaning it for them. ***wink***wink**) Now when you go back to the first video of RC & TN whose hand was damaged? RC's. I know that he claims to have hit the trailer door and the door had damage. But what if he hit the door after his hand was already damaged to cover his story? Maybe RC had beaten someone's hand in the passed and it was a revenge thing. Maybe he was over powered by more than one person. Maybe someone held him down and smashed his hand. It could happen.
Misty didn't want to be at that trailer to babysit that night. Could she have set RC up for a beat down? Supposedly she,JO and ToC planned on stealing one of RC's guns, this tells me that she didn't respect him, his children or his possessions. Remember, they had a huge fight prior to her weekend foray. I'm not sure of that story yet, something about her being pregnant and she wasn't. Did he beat her when she told him she was pregnant or when he found out that she wasn't?
There are a lot of Croslins and family usually takes up for family. Could they all have jumped RC? Maybe not the night that Haleigh came up missing but sometime over the weekend. You know that they weren't fearful of RC as both ToC and Hank Sr went to GMS trailer to rescue MC when she called them, although she changed her mind about going once they got there. The end result was RC's arrest.
ToC has something strong against RC, the headless rat tells a lot.
I'm still trying to figure out what lead up to Haleigh being missing. I think that what went on the prior week lead up to what happened to Haleigh.
Sorry if this is not put together well...I hope it makes since. I'm running on empty today due to the flu and cold meds and lack of sleep. Nap time.