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Does anyone remember one of the 1st interviews of Misty....she was with LC sitting on what looked like a screened porch? Was that where Lisa and Hank Sr. lived when he had the wreck? Do we know where that was?

Also, way back in my memory, when we had the Haleigh thread in the PL....it was said that the a/c man was servicing all the MH's owned by whomever owned Ronalds. Routine maintenance.
 
To me, it is very possible. RC is a gun toter and I think he would have carried it. Misty picked Haleigh up from the bus and headed to her folks place - RC chased her there, mad over her weekend escapades and started yelling and threatening. Haleigh was so upset she tried to get in the way - Tommy and Joe were there too and tried to stop Ron. Maybe Joe or Tommy were armed? A shot was fired and Haleigh was hit. I think this happened outside near Hank & Lisa's place. The coverup began, they are all in fear of Ron. This does not excuse any of them for not coming forward in all of this time - makes them all guilty. JMHO

I agree with almost everything you have stated.. Not quite convinced yet that Tommy and Jo were there when the incident initally occurred, but they could have very well been...For certain they were called to the scene if they were not there...
I've said for months now I believe Haleigh was shot.. Since Jo's attorney has now stated the gun is part of the investigation, I maintain my stance...JMo
 
IMO I don't believe they were lounging all day. I just don't buy it. This was a volatile relationship. I doubt the ever lounged unless passed out. I think they didn't see each other cause misty had just gotten home Sunday. I doubt ron wanted her around right then. So she stayed elsewhere, maybe phone fighting w/ ron. Monday rolls around and ron has to work, tn doesn't want to, asks misty to, only if it was ok w? ron. I don't think he wanted her to but tn really didn't want to.

I do believe the ac guy was there. He prolly called before he headed to the mh and ron was at work so he told misty to get over there so there would be a record of them all being at the mh. imo kids all blend in when they are running around. He saw kids, could've been tommy's or timmy's?? after he leaves misty and tommy go back to clean up crime scene.

Just part of my rolling theory.

GH stated they had fought that day.. She didn't want to babysit.. We even have TN offering to pay her and Misty saying she will do it IF it's ok with Ronald...
Apparently it wasn't quite ok with Ronald...I just pray Haleigh didn't suffer before she passed on....If she was alive for any length of time afterwards and they didn't summon for HELP, God have mercy on their souls...JMO
 
Ya think Nancy's using the debunked Wesh article for her newest bombshell?

As far as the depos, aren't those the UC LE giving their depos 's to Misty nd her atty?

I just don't know what to believe anymore. Most of the media has been mis-reporting or reporting half of the facts. Ron's attorney even stated it last week. The deal he was trying to get was to drop two of the five charges and that the judge would decide if Ron would get 15yr min or 30yr max per charge.

NG updated her face book and blog twice today, I am thinking that maybe Ron did take the deal. But who knows anymore.

As for Misty, it shows in her court docket that she was served a NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION on the 7 charges in Putnam. I wonder if they both are being deposed? Or if she was already depo'd?
I was under the impression that she was also taking a depo, and may be 100% wrong. Not sure how that all works. Maybe we should ask in the legal questions and answer threads. It would make sense to me that she is ratting someone out, especially after what her attorney had said a few weeks back. Darn, I wish I could find that article again, it was said that Misty was to testify against someone, can't recall who all though. Sorry.



2010-05-11 26 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION

2010-05-11 27 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: DET TIM CAMPBELL

2010-05-11 27 TO BE TAKEN 05/19/2010 AT 11:00 AM

2010-05-11 28 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: DET JAMES HEATH

2010-05-11 28 TO BE TAKEN 05/19/2010 AT 11:20 AM


2010-05-11 29 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: LT. DON TINGLEY


2010-05-11 29 TO BE TAKEN 05/19/2010 AT 11:40 AM


DEPOSITION TO BE TAKEN 05/19/2010 AT 11:40 AM
 
I've had about as many theories on this case as Misty & Tommy have had stories of what happened.

Lately I've been trying to think in what scenario Misty hitting Hailee in the head with a piece of wood fit. For instance, if there was a fight or beat down w/RC regarding a gun (or more likely drugs) - and Tommy & Cousin Joe were fighting RC (somewhere other than Green Ln) and the kids were there.... Misty was there, the kids crying and screaming, Haleigh maybe trying to help Daddy.... Misty trying to help RC by hitting cousin Joe or Tommy with a piece of wood... but missing and accidentally hitting Haleigh really hard.

After the drama they take her & JR to Green Ln, Haleigh maybe seems just fine riding her bike and doing ok.. so RC goes to werk and then after a while Haleigh begins to act funny so GGS comes over to check on her, maybe she gives her some meds then leaves. Misty lays her down not knowing better, the fighting on the phone with RC is because she may think that Haleigh needs medical attention but RC doesn't want to leave work and take her in, he doesn't want CPS up his 🤬🤬🤬 or to give Crystal any ammo to try to get the kids.

I think when TC goes to the MH its to help Misty with a sick or dying Haleigh -- or maybe Lindsy goes over after getting home (isn't she a nursing student?). I unfortunately believe that it is around this time that Haleigh passes.

I think they covered it up for many reasons, each for their own reasons. TC maybe to protect his sister and wife. RC to protect his own 🤬🤬🤬 and not to lose JR to Crystal. Misty because she is the one that injured Haleigh, and to cover for RC about drugs & guns and such.
 
Does anyone remember one of the 1st interviews of Misty....she was with LC sitting on what looked like a screened porch? Was that where Lisa and Hank Sr. lived when he had the wreck? Do we know where that was?

Also, way back in my memory, when we had the Haleigh thread in the PL....it was said that the a/c man was servicing all the MH's owned by whomever owned Ronald's. Routine maintenance.

Still searching, I though it was one of Art's exclusives. I do recall that the media reported that Misty was staying with her parents at their MH that first week Haleigh went missing. Most thought her and Ron had split up. It was reported that the MH was very close to where the tents were set up. I wonder if that would of been the MH on Magnolia - which is also right there near the St.John's River? I am beginning to wonder if what ever happen to Haleigh happen at the Magnolia MH? Hank Sr. and Lisa were not there. And Joe was at Chelsea's per Chelsea. So who else would have access to the MH on Magnolia that night? IMO, Misty and maybe Ron found her there and that is where Haleigh died? Or Misty had a party there and Haleigh OD'd and the river was so close they just dumped her body?


Just because Tommy claims what ever happen to Haleigh happen at the trailer, does not mean it had to happen at the one on Green. IMO, if LE would of found any signs of decomp at the Green Ln MH they would of said back then it may be a homicide. Just like with the van, they took it, tested it, and gave it back. If they would of found anything in the van they would of not given it back. LC had Tommy's red truck that night for school I assume and the van was at Timmy's and Chelsea. So, I would say that LE did not find the right car...if one was used to dispose of Haleigh. I don't recall they took Ron's truck or purple car either.


The three MH's were so close to each other, less than a five mile radius if I am reading the locations right. It would be good to know the exact date that Lisa and Hank Sr. moved from Magnolia into Lyndsey's MH.
 
"He was asleep. I got there 10 minutes after we noticed she was gone. I had Junior, he said he didn't know anything...said he was asleep," Haleigh's great grandmother, Annette Sykes, told First Coast News on Monday.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=3

The way I am reading this Junior was with GGma Sykes, she went to the trailer, 10 minutes later they realized that Haleigh had died.

Junior did not know anything because they hide Haleigh's injuries from him by having him with GGma Sykes. She did not say Jr. did not "notice" or "see" or "hear" anything, she said he did not "know" anything. Junior does not "know" anything because he was not told anything until he was woke up to tell him that Haleigh was missing.
 
Does anyone remember one of the 1st interviews of Misty....she was with LC sitting on what looked like a screened porch? Was that where Lisa and Hank Sr. lived when he had the wreck? Do we know where that was?

Also, way back in my memory, when we had the Haleigh thread in the PL....it was said that the a/c man was servicing all the MH's owned by whomever owned Ronalds. Routine maintenance.

Is this it? I have not found one of Misty and LC, but found this one with LC. I will keep searching.

Exclusive: Misty Cummings Mom Speaks Out
"Snip" http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/23/exclusive-misty-cummings-mom-speaks-out/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvswuH4abSo&feature=player_embedded
 
someone will, someday, have to explain to me why dispatch didn't know why officer 1256 (or whatever her number is) was on Tyler, then. "What's going on at Tyler?"

1256 had already been to Green Lane. Dispatch is not privy to the conversation that went on at Green Lane between the officer and family.
If the family was asked--"is there anyone who lives nearby that she might go to if she was scared?" -- a logical question by LE---they would probably say Tommy & Lindsay at 116 Tyler. So we have 2 officers at Green Lane and 1256 says I will go check that address in case she ran there. Leaves other officer at Green Lane and goes to Tommy's.

Dispatch is trying to find out what's going on & "pages" 1256. Because she's back in her vehicle she answers with her current location. Dispatch has no idea that there is a relationship between the 2 addresses. Does that make a little more sense?
 
Is this it? I have not found one of Misty and LC, but found this one with LC. I will keep searching.

Exclusive: Misty Cummings Mom Speaks Out
"Snip" http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/23/exclusive-misty-cummings-mom-speaks-out/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvswuH4abSo&feature=player_embedded

I think the video amster is referring to is the interview of Misty telling about what happened that night..She is crying, sitting next to her mother... IF I'm not mistaken she has on the O'Neill jacket....
 
I know how people interpret it. I will wait for the unredacted LE reports from all officers. From where I sit in the cheap seats, it sounds an awful lot like people WANT that to be the story. I just have seen no proof of that story's veracity.

Frankly, it seems to me that dispatch is supposed to be in the position of knowing exactly where all officers are at all times, and if as you say dispatch wasn't made aware that an officer was leaving the scene where a child went missing, there are some problems. Even if the officer was just going down the street, the officer is supposed to make dispatch aware.

Why didn't the officer give that information until dispatch, who appeared to be calling 1256 to back up the officers on Green Lane, asked what was going on at Tyler.

Sorry, doob........i just can't make it fit. Yet.
 
Ya think Nancy's using the debunked Wesh article for her newest bombshell?

As far as the depos, aren't those the UC LE giving their depos 's to Misty nd her atty?


I sent the following Email to the managing editor of Wesh news.




Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 1:14 PM
To: Cousins, Jeff
Cc: Lupoli, Matt
Subject: Fake news story running on Wesh.com

On Friday the 14th I called your station and talked to a lady in the web department about this news story running on Wesh.com:


Ronald Cummings Accepts Plea Deal For Drug Charges


http://www.wesh.com/news/23550990/detail.html


I was told there was no bases for the article she could find on any of the wire services and the story would be changed. There were no sources listed and nobody has said anywhere that any deal has been accepted.

Well now I just saw Wesh news being quoted on HLN and Nancy Grace is quoting you as the source to and she is saying WESH TV:

Breaking News! Haleigh's dad Ron Cummings has reportedly accepted a plea deal for a 15-year prison sentence in exchange for testimony against Misty Croslin & Tommy Croslin, according to WESH-TV. Nancy Grace has the latest, breaking developments every night at 8 & 10 PM E.T. on HLN!

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

A friend of mine called your station after I did and was told the story was a misprint. Why is it still up, has not been edited and now being quoted on national TV?

Thank you



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He sent me one back thanking me and telling me they were getting in touch with Nancy Grace and HLN to let them know their story has changed and has been updated.


http://www.wesh.com/news/23550990/detail.html
 
Boy, I wish we would have some phone records and pings to work with...Misty claims she called Ronald first, this her mother..Lisa Croslin I would assume, but she was at the hospital with Hank Sr. I wonder if Misty called Teresa N. Ron's mother instead?

If she called these two before LE and told them Haleigh was missing, what did they do? Why didn't they tell her to call 911 right then and there? Why didn't they call LE? Something else that sounds fishy to me. Ron says he found out after he got home. Ronald claims he never picked up the call, yet there are 20 - 90 calls from Ron's phones. He states that Misty was outside when he pulled up. So was she waiting on him after talking to him? Did he already know? Why stop for beer and nuts? TN there with the picture in her Sheriff's Jacket bugged me back then as well. I thought they had pictures up in the MH when they did the walk through, so why would TN think of bringing a picture?



"Snip"

Her new mother in law, Teresa Neves, gushed with praise for how much Haleigh and her baby brother, Ronald, Jr., aka Junior, loved Misty and how they couldn’t wait for her to marry her son, Ronald.

He was working the night shift at a nearby plant when Misty told me she called his cell phone; she called her mother; she couldn’t find Haleigh anywhere, and the back door was wide open, propped open by a brick. Ronald has been saying the first he heard his daughter had vanished was when he drove home that morning, saw Misty outside, and learned Haleigh was gone and the back door was wide open
 
I sent the following Email to the managing editor of Wesh news.




Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 1:14 PM
To: Cousins, Jeff
Cc: Lupoli, Matt
Subject: Fake news story running on Wesh.com

On Friday the 14th I called your station and talked to a lady in the web department about this news story running on Wesh.com:


Ronald Cummings Accepts Plea Deal For Drug Charges


http://www.wesh.com/news/23550990/detail.html


I was told there was no bases for the article she could find on any of the wire services and the story would be changed. There were no sources listed and nobody has said anywhere that any deal has been accepted.

Well now I just saw Wesh news being quoted on HLN and Nancy Grace is quoting you as the source to and she is saying WESH TV:

Breaking News! Haleigh's dad Ron Cummings has reportedly accepted a plea deal for a 15-year prison sentence in exchange for testimony against Misty Croslin & Tommy Croslin, according to WESH-TV. Nancy Grace has the latest, breaking developments every night at 8 & 10 PM E.T. on HLN!

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

A friend of mine called your station after I did and was told the story was a misprint. Why is it still up, has not been edited and now being quoted on national TV?

Thank you



..........................................


He sent me one back thanking me and telling me they were getting in touch with Nancy Grace and HLN to let them know their story has changed and has been updated.


http://www.wesh.com/news/23550990/detail.html

Yea Dr.!!! You set them straight. Way to go.
 
I am very curious about something. For those of you that believe that Ronald Cummings shot his child in some kind of altercation....I am very interested in reading a theory on this. Where did it happen? How did Haleigh get in between her Daddy and bullet? What about blood evidence? When did it happen?

Because I have thoughtfully examined this theory over the last year and there are too many unanswered questions for it to be possible in my opinion. Anyone care to share?

I think that LE has known shortly after she was reported missing that she was dead. They just don't know exactly how or where her body was placed. By keeping it a "missing" person" case, they were able to try to gather information without the players knowing that they NEVER believed the story.

I was searching google news archives today to find out when Ron and Crystal had been asked to give DNA. The DNA from the parents always bothered me because DNA is only needed to identify remains, not a live child her age. I had never heard that EVERYONE who had been in that MH had been asked for DNA.

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Twenty-three days after the disappearance of Haleigh, Putnam County authorities assured the child's family the case is not cold.

"It's not a dead case or a cold case. There are all kinds of leads still coming in, and there's all kinds of information to follow up on. It will not be a cold case as long as there's investigative evidence to be followed," said Capt. Dick Schauland of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

He said the case has generated more than 2,300 tips.

"The piece of info that's going to come and lead us to her we haven't found it. That's all there is to it," Schauland said.

He said no one is considered a suspect or a person of interest in the case because "We don't know what the crime is. All we know is that Haleigh is missing. Let me assure you that no one is out of the mix."

On Wednesday, anyone who had been inside the Cummings' home was asked to give a DNA sample. Police called it a routine part of their investigation...Investigators with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the FBI have followed thousands of leads, but the family told Channel 4 that authorities said they are no closer to finding Haleigh than they were on Feb. 10 -- the morning she was reported missing and an Amber Alert was issued.

"The piece of information that's going to lead us to her, we haven't found it," Schauland said on Wednesday.....

While the sheriff's office released the mobile home where Haleigh disappeared back to the family earlier this week, most members of the family can't bring themselves to go inside. The missing girl's grandfather, Lester Cummings, said he went inside to get some clothes for his son, Ronald, but everybody else breaks down before they get to the porch.

http://www.cbs12.com/news/haleigh-4715335-cummings-time.html
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I have NEVER heard of LE asking for DNA for everyone who had been in the house. Fingerprints yes but not DNA. DNA tells me that they did find some evidence that led them to believe Haleigh was dead. Under the guise of misisng child, LE was able to get people to volunteer their DNA. That was actually really smart.


I find it interesting that LE says the "piece of information that is going to lead us to her." Not to the person who has her or took her but to her. IMO, the way that is worded it sounds like they thought they knew what happened but needed her body to find out how she died.

Finally, the family broke down before they got to the porch. They could not even step into the house without losing it. There is only one reason I can see that the house would be so terrifying that they could not even get to the porch. They knew Haleigh died in there.

IMO, LE has been working this case from almost the beginning as murder. They only changed it publically to a homicide because they questions they had to ask now was going to tip their hand.
 
I was searching google news archives today to find out when Ron and Crystal had been asked to give DNA. The DNA from the parents always bothered me because DNA is only needed to identify remains, not a live child her age. I had never heard that EVERYONE who had been in that MH had been asked for DNA.

FYI - LE collected DNA on two occasions. I believe it was collected once in the first few days and was asked for again a couple weeks later. I don't believe LE stated why other than a re-test.

At the time I thought it was to look for DNA of any RSO's in the area and rule out DNA specimens for those whom may have lived or visited there.
 
I have heard many people say "I don't care if I go to prison for the rest of my life. I would kill anyone who molested my child"

I think it's said more often then one may think
I have heard both men and women say it

IMO, the people that make comments like that are talking about something that has not happened and they don't really believe ever will. The statemetns are more a generalization than a fact.

However, for someone to make the same statment when something has happened, you have to look at the timing of the statements.

In both cases, the men said that they would kill the person who did it. Did what? They don't know what happened at the point. But they are assuming someone hurt their loved one to a degree that they are angry enough to kill that unknown person and do not care if they end up in jail. They should still be in shock and have hope, not so angry that they are willing to kill.

IMO, they know exactly what happened when they made those statement. It is there way of shouting how innocent they are. An innocent person does not care about shouting their innocence to the world, they are shouting about their missing loved one. That was their lame attempt to misdirect the focus, to get LE to look at someone else, some place else, and not too closely to them.

The most honest part of those statements is that they will go to jail.
 
I just don't know what to believe anymore. Most of the media has been mis-reporting or reporting half of the facts. Ron's attorney even stated it last week. The deal he was trying to get was to drop two of the five charges and that the judge would decide if Ron would get 15yr min or 30yr max per charge.

NG updated her face book and blog twice today, I am thinking that maybe Ron did take the deal. But who knows anymore.

As for Misty, it shows in her court docket that she was served a NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION on the 7 charges in Putnam. I wonder if they both are being deposed? Or if she was already depo'd?
I was under the impression that she was also taking a depo, and may be 100% wrong. Not sure how that all works. Maybe we should ask in the legal questions and answer threads. It would make sense to me that she is ratting someone out, especially after what her attorney had said a few weeks back. Darn, I wish I could find that article again, it was said that Misty was to testify against someone, can't recall who all though. Sorry.



2010-05-11 26 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION

2010-05-11 27 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: DET TIM CAMPBELL

2010-05-11 27 TO BE TAKEN 05/19/2010 AT 11:00 AM

2010-05-11 28 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: DET JAMES HEATH

2010-05-11 28 TO BE TAKEN 05/19/2010 AT 11:20 AM


2010-05-11 29 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: LT. DON TINGLEY


2010-05-11 29 TO BE TAKEN 05/19/2010 AT 11:40 AM


DEPOSITION TO BE TAKEN 05/19/2010 AT 11:40 AM

Misty's attorney is asking the court to issue a subpoena for the appearance of the witness to be deposed. Misty's attorney wants to know what each witness is going to testify. It also is an opportunity to ask any and all questions to help form the defense.

Misty is a defendant. No one can take her deposition unless she has a plea deal. Because a defendant has the Constitutional Fifth Amendment right to not incriminate themselves. The prosecutor cannot depose Misty because they cannot force a defendant to testify. The other defendants in their cases cannot depose Misty because she is facing the same charges so has the right to refuse by pleading the Fifth.

Florida is one of a few states that allow depositions in criminal cases. Once I remembered Florida allowed depos in criminal cases, I realized that Ron will NEVER agree to testify without immunity for Haleigh because Misty's attorney can and will ask questions about Haleigh as will the prosecutor. The only way out would be if the Judge ordered the questions not relevant to the drug case but a good defense attorney could easily come up with a reason the questions are relevant. But the prosecutor would be siding with the defense because they would love to get Ron under oath without his attorney to answer questions.
 
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