General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[Concerned Papa]

The music is awfully loud in that video, Papa.

LOL, I'm sorry Debs. I noticed it a little bit myself, but FYI this is the actual setting I used from the audio control panel.

 

[debs]

I, too, am amazed at the lack of reaction from GGM while listening to that story from Granny Flo. I listened in shock that Flo would actually repeat the story as dead-faced as she did; I never EVER expected someone who actually LOVED Haleigh to listen to it and provide a brief chuckle in her response, which actually serves as a denial to the statement's veracity.

 

[bessie]

Unless, GGM already knows what really happened to Haleigh and Granny Flo's story isn't it.

respectfully snipped
Spot on, Papa. GGS appears stoic at times, but I wouldn't say she's coldhearted or uncaring. No, IMO, she dismissed Flo's story because she knew it was a crock. By the expression on her face while FH is talking, however, I'd say she was uncomfortable even at the thought of such a scenario.

 

[gngr~snap]

respectfully snipped
Spot on, Papa. GGS appears stoic at times, but I wouldn't say she's coldhearted or uncaring. No, IMO, she dismissed Flo's story because she knew it was a crock. By the expression on her face while FH is talking, however, I'd say she was uncomfortable even at the thought of such a scenario.

I agree! I think she knew it was a crock also... Not sure if it's because she knew the REAL story ~ so what granny Hollars said was utterly asonine...

or- if she's just one smart ol bird, caught on real quick to what NG was setting her up for and flat out refused to go "there" on national television.

Clearly she was the person overseeing Ron's kids and making sure they had what they needed (like clean clothes) and such...

IMHO GGS knows... has known from the beginning. She knows that nothing will bring Haleigh back and figures there is no reason to harp on it??? She just let it be...

IMO she must know that Ron and/or Misty were at fault... if NOT, I think she would be so far up the backside of the person or person's she thought were responisible they would never catcha break... and I feel this way about TN also.

IMO they have been too quiet and IMO those two women when angered or slighted are probably VERY vocal!

 

[1Chump]

I don't know why any of these people would need help disposing of a small child...it seems to me that whoever happened to be there at the time would be the ones involved...I can't see a reason why they would go and get someone else at that point...JMO

Because the people involved in her death may have wanted to keep their hands clean.

One of my theories is that Haleigh died when TN was with her. TN then called Misty and offered to pay Misty to get her over there. Misty walked in and found Haleigh dead. Then Ron, TN and AS told Misty that she had a choice they tell LE Haleigh died on her watch or she goes with the story and they help cover it up. Then Misty got Timmy and maybe Joe involved in the cover-up by telling them they are going to pin the death on me. But TN and/or Ron were the ones who deposed of the body, the others just cleaned up so neither Misty/Timmy know enough details to tell LE the story that fit the evidence LE did have.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Papa, I think part of her control and not going off about that story is she did not want to lose her connection to GMH which gave her access to Misty. I think their phone connection is very important to Ron and his lawyer.

I also believe she knows the truth.

 

[gngr~snap]

I now wonder if LE was on Tyler for someone else? Maybe they were not at Tommy and Lindsey's house? Or could it be that when Misty placed the call she was at Tyler and LE picked up the location through the 911 Call while she was walking back over to Green?
Oh my, I am confusing myself now lol, because when reading the 911 transcript I thought LE was at Tyler around 2 something in the am, but they didn't say what for. :banghead: Why is it so hard to get a straight answer from anyone? Even LE. IMO, if LE would clarify a few things there would not be so many rumors. I can understand that they need to keep certain information private, but what harm would it do to say yes or no to questions like this one and then say that is all that can be disclosed at this time. I think it is time for me to go for that walk again...LOL. This case is so frustrating! I feel bad for the innocent family members that are dealing with this tragedy!

I have no idea and I am purely just throwing this out there... I wonder if a call was placed to respond to 116 Tyler Street by the same neighbor that had complained about the dogs? She had recently called LE and may have still had the non-emergency # handy. The call came in at 2:13 am... I don't believe it was an emergency call. Could she have requesyed a wellness check of some kind?

My second thought is did someone from 116 Tyler call the station looking for TN? Because perhaps TN was not home that night either.

Something was going on at 116 Tyler or very near location and it is no coincidence IMO that the call was made within less than 2 hours of MC's 911 call.

I wonder which neighbor heard a scream? The scream was around 2 am right? Could someone have reported that to LE and they were kinda posted up waiting? watching? Who saw Haleigh around 2am I wonder.
Heck Misty looked like a little girl... I wonder if Misty was seen about 2am and not haleigh... oh well Now I have confused myself... MOO

 

[seeking truth]

That's a good point you make about not needing to get someone else to help. And that makes even more sense than what I posted - LOL
But I think that if MC did get mad and bring harm to Haleigh, she wouldn't know what to do by herself and would call brother to deal with her mess. Unless he was already there. Who knows. I just have a hard time with RC's anger, arrest issues, decision making process, etc. and cannot believe he wasn't involved on some level (at this point.) Gheez. Maybe they were all there. Only time will tell.

Then I come back to the dead rat. That was a huge message to me - "Rats die" - just a reminder not to "rat" on RC/MC. Making Tommy, MC and RC three peas in a pod. All 3 involved somehow.
RC brings harm to Haleigh "because of something MC" did (in his mind.) My own exhusband punched me in the throat, knocking me to the floor then dropped our newborn on the concrete and as I was crawling across the floor to get my baby, he screamed "Look what you made me do!" So I know this stuff happens. Anyway, then RC tells MC to deal with it and keep her yap shut or he'll kill her (we all know he's teflon Ron and doesn't stay in jail long.......well until now), he is really ticked off now because he has to get to work and he leaves, he calls and calls making sure she remembers to deal with it. She turns the phone off because she has no idea what to do. One way or another Tommy gets called and ends up disposing of the body. By who, I don't know. But then there are g'mas saying they stopped by and saw Haleigh eating dinner. Again, Gheez.

Actually, I still have no idea how this went down but I do believe the rat was a message, they are all three (hTC/RC/MC) criminals on some level, someone hurt that baby girl and it wasn't a stranger, all three are sitting in jail, all three have done things to hurt small children - emotionally at the very least, and all three know something.
I bet we could figure this out if only one of these people were honest! UGhhh.

Morning LotsaLatte and Everyone,

What you've theorized could be so close to what happened. I still wonder, though, WHY Teresa Neves and Annette Sykes have been in the thick of it? (I mean right there and on the news, since the beginning). WHY, if they are not involved, would they continue to support Ron and begin throwing Misty under the bus when it appears at times she might speak? Well, as for supporting Ron, though I think it is sooo wrong, I can see them proctecting him, and only him, no matter what he did. During the summer when Misty's parents and brother, Tommy stated that Misty called them wanted them to come get her away from Ron and Ms. Sykes' home, it seemed clear Annette and Ron were not going to let Misty leave with her family. I admit, I believe she was not allowed to leave, I believe that Annette and Ron threatened her, and when Ron attacked her family, when Annette pushed Misty's mom, I believe it was, back into their vehicle, that further isolated and frightened Misty. I was stunned when Annette spoke of that physical pushing as if it was normal and alright.

Why would Annette Sykes have Misty living with her when all attention seemed focused on Misty as the perpetrator? My only thoughts lead to her also wanting to keep Misty close; as an enemy who could rat out Ron and Annette, and Teresa: Ron as the one who committed the crime against Haleigh and these two women as accessories after the fact. I don't think anyone else was involved in the cover-up, though I can picture Ron and family telling the Croslins and placing guilt and blame on Misty, and using them as well as Misty. I think we have witnessed how helpful to these people the negative attention on the Croslin family has been working in the favor of the Cummings/Sykes/Neves family.

This is all MY OPINION and IS JUST A THEORY, UNDEVELOPED, with only my thoughts of what may have happened to HaLeigh and who has been involved in the crime and cover-up from the beginning.

 

[Owlface]

Ron is involved or he isn't. I think he is. Even if he isn't, there is enough blame to go round in this family. I can't get past the fact that LE hasn't cleared him. I cannot believe that he hasn't taken it upon himself to provide proof that he was at work to prove to the world he is innocent. I cannot believe that there is no plea for months now for Haleighs return. Oh, they believe she is dead as of recently. But what about all that time before.
LE needs to clear him so we can move on if he is not a suspect. I would think they would clear him out of respect for a grieving parent if he is cleared. So why not just say Ron is clear????

BBM Yes. This is just one of the many many reasons why I believe Ron is in this up to his ears.

 

[cluciano63]

Nothing from the Cummings side of the family has convinced me that RC is an innocent bystander in all of this...

 

[gngr~snap]

Backing up all the way to the bus-stop. We have never even gotten a straight story about that have we? Does anyone recall who stated what about the bus-stop?
I KNOW who's on 1st...lol but srsly... Imma do some sloothin... I understand it's irrelavent to some...

 

[1Chump]

Welcome to Websleuths, Owlface.

I share your opinion about Ronald Cummings knowing what happened. I also believe Teresa Neves and GGM Sykes know as well. To explain my reasoning for this opinion, I can show you better than I can tell you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTbuh368z-g

I can't come close to understanding the calm, nonchalant reaction of GGM Sykes to the horrible story from Granny Flo on the 4/22 Nancy Grace Show.

Unless, GGM already knows what really happened to Haleigh and Granny Flo's story isn't it.

Right after Gma Flo talks about Junior hearing the couch bouncing, NG asks her who told her that and Gma Flo says "Misty." AS "smiles" then seems to catch herself and pulls her lips in tight.

IMO, AS knew that Gma Flo did not hear that "story" from Misty and knew someone had feed Gma Flo a story. Even later, when Gma Flo talks about Haleigh screaming and NG asks who was in the room with Haleigh, Gma Flo says that she believes Joe and Tommy, AS shakes her head back and forth as if to say "no."

IMO, AS had "heard" that story and knew it wasn't true so she would not have the reaction of someone hearing it for the first time. Also, the first question from NG to AS was about Gma Flo saying that Ron was culpable. IMO, that told me that AS only went on that night with Gma Flo to do what she has done since the beginning defend Ron's innocence.

 

[gngr~snap]

1- Ron states he picked haleigh up from the bus stop.

2- TN states she picked haleigh up from the bus stop.

GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.
NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

3- "Bus stop parents, Santos and Mullis, and another grandfather who is a regular but asked to remain nameless, insist it was Misty who picked up Haleigh the last day she went to school—not Ronald."
"we meet a mother who was there to pick up her children–and who says she was shocked to see Misty, then Croslin, now Cummings, “smack” a little boy in her car as she waited for Haleigh to get off the bus."
as reported by another mesage board.

SO! from the get go we have TN and RON placing themselves with Haleigh at the bus stop when it was more probable that she was with Misty!

I guess my concern is this is the 1st lie. told by TN and RON.

 

[bessie]

I think that in the beginning Ron, TN, and GGS thought Ron was responsible based on Misty's account of the details. GGS always had doubts, but since she couldn't prove otherwise, she went along with the kidnapping story. Since then, she's learned the truth, or figured it out, and now knows that Misty killed Haleigh, not Ron and not Tommy or Joe.

 

[Emeralgem]

Backing up all the way to the bus-stop. We have never even gotten a straight story about that have we? Does anyone recall who stated what about the bus-stop?
I KNOW who's on 1st...lol but srsly... Imma do some sloothin... I understand it's irrelavent to some...

Ron C claims he picked Haleigh up.
TN claims Ron C picked Haleigh up..
J Santos has stated to AH Misty picked Haleigh up..He also claims he has given this information to LE.

 

[gngr~snap]

Ron C claims he picked Haleigh up.
TN claims Ron C picked Haleigh up..
J Santos has stated to AH Misty picked Haleigh up..He also claims he has given this information to LE.

bbm so TN claims that she picked Haleigh up on NG and then changes her story huh? or vice versa... oops she got caught in that lie didn't she?

 

[gngr~snap]

Misty asks TN to babysit Haleigh and JR? Does TN tell her NO or just RON?
RON tells Misty she must stay with the kids.
TN allegedly sends GGMS over to the MH to drop off clean clothes. 7pm Why didn't TN go herself?
GGMS reports Misty there and "sober".
Misty never reported that GGMS was there, only that her family was there around 5pm.
Fast forward to the 911 call.
RON walks then 911 called...
TN shows up way too soon to have been at her home.
TN has only great things to say about Misty. The girl who lost her granddaughter...
RON marries Misty with a ring that TN gave him? Is this right?
TN supports her son marrying a 17 yr old?
wonder if the officer on Tyler was called there by TN?
I bet TN was called much earlier in the evening about Haleigh. That is IF TN didn't defy RON and get the kids from Misty anyway.....

Making no progresss here!
MOOO

 

[Emeralgem]

bbm so TN claims that she picked Haleigh up on NG and then changes her story huh? or vice versa... oops she got caught in that lie didn't she?

The video from that show reveals when NG asked who picked Haleigh up that day TN states Ron picked Haleigh up, however when the transcript from that show was released, the transcript reads she was the one who picked Haleigh up...There is an error in the transcript...TN actually stated it was her son who picked up Haleigh at the bus stop..JMO

 

[justus4all]

My scenarios are:

1) Ron was fighting with Misty and Haleigh got in the way; Ron hit or pushed Haleigh and she suffered injuries that were not immediately apparent, i.e., "she was doing fine" that evening. Her condition took a turn for the worse probably by 9 or 10 PM. I do not think it was much later than that because I feel the cover-up and staging required some time to be accomplished effectively. If this scenario is close to what happened, it could explain Ron's fear of being implicated, which would explain his subsequent involvement in the cover-up.


Snipped for space and bolded by me.....IMO...that could be what happened and Haleigh died later in the evening....

Ron has written on his truck,,,something like...Only GOD can judge me..IMO..IF a man was innocent of causing injuries to his daughter resulting in her death...would he have that sign on his truck....IMO..No he wouldn't because he NEVER caused an injury....and would have no NEED to have GOD judge him...judge him for WHAT...judge him for being a GOOD father.??????BUT...IMO...IF a man had caused an injury that resulted in her dying...then IMO..he would be inclined to have that sign on his truck...to deflect any guilt from himself and making a statement to others...that he is "putting his judgement in the hands of GOD"...so don't judge me...

That sign on his truck has ALWAYS made me feel he is DEFIANT about his discipline/reaction.to Haleigh...IF he did cause her death...all words are in my own opinion....

 

[gngr~snap]

The video from that show reveals when NG asked who picked Haleigh up that day TN states Ron picked Haleigh up, however when the transcript from that show was released, the transcript reads she was the one who picked Haleigh up...There is an error in the transcript...TN actually stated it was her son who picked up Haleigh at the bus stop..JMO

My apologies! I was WRONG! I just found the video from Nancy Grace on 2/17/2009 and TN clearly says MY SON picked her up.