General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[krowdkat]

I'm sure this has been stated somewhere on the HC threads at WS...

If ToC wasn't there that night, how can he cry Bullship about Haleigh OD'ing or any of the other scenarios that Misty has thrown out?!?

If he wasn't there he wouldn't have a clue one way or the other. Unless, of course, Misty simply told him what went down after the fact. Either way, they both know what happened in my opinion and the headless rat was an attempt to scare and shut Tommy up about it. I'm really starting to lean towards Ron knowing what happened as well. Could be why he's cutting a deal and willing to testify in the drug trafficking case. He knows he wasn't directly involved in his daughter's demise and that Misty and Tom know this as well.

 

[Baznme]

Zaha, when I heard that tape I thought the same thing...Tommy seemed confused by what was going on at the dock search. When Hank Sr. told him that, he was at a loss for words. And I wouldn't put anything pass Teresa and her mother. Misty is the one that told GMH to call them..IMO, that was done for a reason...either for them to pick up evidence or leave evidence there.

JMO though

My perception of his reaction was "stunned" because that news was not supposed to be let out yet....but, I do agree that he is trying to help Misty. He said on the tape with his father, "there's no way I'm going to see or let my sister go to prison for 25 years".....something to that affect. He said it more than once so, that's what I attribute his story to. He was trying to take the pressure off his sister and get LE to focus in other areas. Of the two of them, MC and Tommy, I think Misty's statement to her father, "they need to look at Ronald a little harder" was the truest statement I've heard yet.

 

[dodie20]

My perception of his reaction was "stunned" because that news was not supposed to be let out yet....but, I do agree that he is trying to help Misty. He said on the tape with his father, "there's no way I'm going to see or let my sister go to prison for 25 years".....something to that affect. He said it more than once so, that's what I attribute his story to. He was trying to take the pressure off his sister and get LE to focus in other areas. Of the two of them, MC and Tommy, I think Misty's statement to her father, "they need to look at Ronald a little harder" was the truest statement I've heard yet.

Stunned. This is also how I interpreted it. I think he thought that he had the answers, so therefore was in charge of the situation. As for him helping Misty? I don't think so. I think he's trying to help himself stay out of prison & back to Linsey.

 

[suspicious1]

My perception of his reaction was "stunned" because that news was not supposed to be let out yet....but, I do agree that he is trying to help Misty. He said on the tape with his father, "there's no way I'm going to see or let my sister go to prison for 25 years".....something to that affect. He said it more than once so, that's what I attribute his story to. He was trying to take the pressure off his sister and get LE to focus in other areas. Of the two of them, MC and Tommy, I think Misty's statement to her father, "they need to look at Ronald a little harder" was the truest statement I've heard yet.

You're right, Baznme. We both agree that Tommy is trying to help his sister out but how far will he go to protect her?? I've got a feeling that he's only protecting Misty because he knows that Misty is, for whatever reason, trying to protect their other brother Timmy. He probably sees Misty as being "loyal" to the family by not ratting out her brother Timmy. Instead, it seems, Misty threw Tommy in the fire every chance she got. I couldn't understand why, even after hearing what Misty has said about Tommy, he still had much love for her. :waitasec: He didn't seemed too phased by it all. I thought, "what would make him react that way?" Maybe Tommy thought that was Misty's way of keeping suspicion off of Timmy and Tommy felt there was nothing wrong with taken the heat for his brother ...that would show his "loyalty" to the family. If Tommy knows this, this could explain why he went along with Misty's story. I really don't think they give a damn about Ron but if they implicate him, it'll take down Timmy too. Honestly, Tommy probably don't want to see his sister go to prison for 25 years but I think he would rather gamble that, than to lose both-his brother and sister, for a very long time.

IMO, Timmy and Ron are in this together, and I'm thinking they are on the same side. And Ron has probably used that against her too. Telling Misty that if he goes to prison for what happened to his daughter, she would lose him and her brother. If she keeps quiet, then she saves Timmy and unfortunately...Ron. But if she opens her mouth and tell the truth, she lose them both.

Tommy and Misty, both, have something to lose if they tell the truth. I just wonder how deep their loyalty goes....I don't think that it goes far and that's why Tommy was in despearate need of getting ahold to Timmy...

JMO though (for right now)

 

[SoSueMe]

and now I'm thinking about the couch. and why hank sr. is sure tommy and misty were sitting on it together. and why "tommy can't-talk-don't-know-anything-about" that couch.

:couch:
any ideas out there?

Because it would put Tommy inside the mobile home at a critical time?

Remember, he has changed his story from being inside the mobile home with Joe to steal the gun, to Joe stopping by his house with the van and Haleigh inside.

 

[Baznme]

Because it would put Tommy inside the mobile home at a critical time?

Remember, he has changed his story from being inside the mobile home with Joe to steal the gun, to Joe stopping by his house with the van and Haleigh inside.

Further embellished, he claims Joe after stopping by his house with the van and Haleigh inside had a knife to his throat. What?!......did he wait until he walked up to the van and then put a knife to his throat? What a crock!

 

[SoSueMe]

If we are to believe what was reported on JVM yesterday (operative word is IF), we are back to the story of Joe going ballistic when he couldn't find Ron's gun to steal, so he took Haleigh.

So when did Joe brick the door?

If Joe suddenly flew into a rage, how would he know to brick the door in advance?

So who DID brick the door and why?

 

[Paintr]

In this case everyone has been focused on Misty, Ron, Tommy, Jo....wouldn't it be strange if none of them killed Haleigh? What is Misty left the trailer with Tommy to buy drugs/party (weren't they smoking a joint earlier? if To later left his kids home asleep he would have no problem leaving H and Jr. Neither would Misty. imo)

Then when they returned, perhaps having picked up Jo along the way, there was a dead Haleigh. They panic and try to cover it up with a kidnapping. Maybe they really don't know what happened to Haleigh to make her die. Maybe they only know how she was disposed of ,therefore ,any attempt at LDT fails miserably. Maybe they aren't plea dealing cause they don't know the truth and so have nothing to trade. Misty and Tommy are trying but can't pass the LDT and LE won't believe the stories they're coming up with.

Wouldn't it be ironic if all this sleuthing of the 4 major players was all looking in the wrong direction?

 

[Emma Peel]

In this case everyone has been focused on Misty, Ron, Tommy, Jo....wouldn't it be strange if none of them killed Haleigh? What is Misty left the trailer with Tommy to buy drugs/party (weren't they smoking a joint earlier? if To later left his kids home asleep he would have no problem leaving H and Jr. Neither would Misty. imo)

Then when they returned, perhaps having picked up Jo along the way, there was a dead Haleigh. They panic and try to cover it up with a kidnapping. Maybe they really don't know what happened to Haleigh to make her die. Maybe they only know how she was disposed of ,therefore ,any attempt at LDT fails miserably. Maybe they aren't plea dealing cause they don't know the truth and so have nothing to trade. Misty and Tommy are trying but can't pass the LDT and LE won't believe the stories they're coming up with.

Wouldn't it be ironic if all this sleuthing of the 4 major players was all looking in the wrong direction?

That scenario would have explained a lot of odd behavior & various crapola for me. But THEN they went to jail with these irrefutable trafficking charges and now they are forced to tell their BEST story - it seems....

A story that says Misty was at the Mobile Home at all - that would be Misty's best out - also Tommy's - they would have admitted Misty was not even home when Haleigh was taken - by now, given that they are already in the pokey with serious charges.

They could tell the "we left the kids unattended" story, but nope. They are telling stories that place Tommy & Misty with an endangered - possibly even dead Haleigh - and placing Misty in the MH, with Haleigh for the "abduction".

They've kind of narrowed the direction we can sleuth down a bit with this last round of story-telling. Our only other option is to disregard their stories (because we know all they do is lie). But even if we did that, we have acknowledge the fact that they have been already willing to implicate themselves, and ... (only) Joe additionally, at this juncture.

For some reason, they never took the "yeah - we were out at a party and left the kids home" route. I wonder why. It could have even been a Joe/Tommy/Misty private party.

Maybe it was a private party. Just in the MH.

:cow:

 

[Paintr]

That scenario would have explained a lot of odd behavior & various crapola for me. But THEN they went to jail with these irrefutable trafficking charges and now they are forced to tell their BEST story - it seems....

A story that says Misty was at the Mobile Home at all - that would be Misty's best out - also Tommy's - they would have admitted Misty was not even home when Haleigh was taken - by now, given that they are already in the pokey with serious charges.

They could tell the "we left the kids unattended" story, but nope. They are telling stories that place Tommy & Misty with an endangered - possibly even dead Haleigh - and placing Misty in the MH, with Haleigh for the "abduction".

They've kind of narrowed the direction we can sleuth down a bit with this last round of story-telling. Our only other option is to disregard their stories (because we know all they do is lie). But even if we did that, we have acknowledge the fact that they have been already willing to implicate themselves, and ... (only) Joe additionally, at this juncture.

For some reason, they never took the "yeah - we were out at a party and left the kids home" route. I wonder why. It could have even been a Joe/Tommy/Misty private party.

Maybe it was a private party. Just in the MH.

:cow:

BBM

This it the part that has me wondering. Much better to be some distance from Haleigh's death, even if you must admit leaving both sets of children home alone. Maybe Tommy wouldn't agree to that at first , because he was afraid of Lindsey's reaction.Now it is too late to worry about that.

Perhaps, if all three were under the influence of drugs at the time they found Haleigh dead, they would have even more reason to avoid calling LE.

If they are willing to admit they were in the mh during/around the time Haleigh was kidnapped, there must be something that they are more afraid of admitting. What could be worse than being present during this mess?:waitasec:

Maybe, in their opinion, where they were and what they were doing is even worse than the death of a little girl.Perhaps they are under the impression that since they didn't actually kill her, they will be ok.

 

[justus4all]

Yep and Ron and GGMS are very careful not to put their selves in the trailer after the bus pickup. Ron does not say he went in the trailer and GGMS does not go in the trailer.

I think they know something was found in the trailer that says harm came to Haleigh.

This opinion seems right to me....If R and GGMS DID NOT place themselves IN the MH after H was picked up, it seems the other players would AVOID placing themselves there as well...and their story would be...I was NOT there...........But T places himself there, Misty, as well, smoking a joint...(drugs involved????).....so.....................who really knows?????

 

[CN2Souls]

Going over all the information again and finding stuff I had not heard or read before.
One thing that really spoke volumes to me was….

Misty Croslin Cummings Voice Stress Test (full-uncut version)

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/new..._Polygraph_results_questioned_in_Haleigh_case


At the 15:13 point Misty states
“if someone put a gun in my mouth I would be freaking out”…..
Then there is that long silence and that look on her face says it all to me.

 

[justus4all]

IMO..the whole 911 call was staged...I have held this opinion from the very beginning.

Having said that......Could the 911 call be made ....without him ...??? With him..still at work..?? Like making the 911 call ....earlier in the evening...or near midnight???

My point is....It seems that R HAD ...TO ..HAVE...JUST WALKED IN.."I just got off werk"...THENn the 911 call was placed...WHY??

Why not have TN ....called by Misty ..to come over .....and TN and Misty call in the 911 call??

IMO..Since R had really nothing to say to help the 911 operator with describing H, (he was angry (why so angry)..(most parents are frantic)...and didn't want to)

1. Did he HAVE to be PRESENT to "coach" Misty??
2. Why not have TN show up FIRST...and SHE coach Misty on the call?
3. Was R REALLY angry that perhaps his mother was SUPPOSED to show up FIRST and HELP place the call with Misty...and he arrive shorty after that...
....I think that because TN arrived ..within minutes..

IF TRUE...from the beginning..the SCRIPT was ALREADY falling apart...

AGAIN...all in my own opinion...

 

[viedow]

IMO..the whole 911 call was staged...I have held this opinion from the very beginning.

Having said that......Could the 911 call be made ....without him ...??? With him..still at work..?? Like making the 911 call ....earlier in the evening...or near midnight???

My point is....It seems that R HAD ...TO ..HAVE...JUST WALKED IN.."I just got off werk"...THENn the 911 call was placed...WHY??

Why not have TN ....called by Misty ..to come over .....and TN and Misty call in the 911 call??

IMO..Since R had really nothing to say to help the 911 operator with describing H, (he was angry (why so angry)..(most parents are frantic)...and didn't want to)

1. Did he HAVE to be PRESENT to "coach" Misty??
2. Why not have TN show up FIRST...and SHE coach Misty on the call?
3. Was R REALLY angry that perhaps his mother was SUPPOSED to show up FIRST and HELP place the call with Misty...and he arrive shorty after that...
....I think that because TN arrived ..within minutes..

IF TRUE...from the beginning..the SCRIPT was ALREADY falling apart...

AGAIN...all in my own opinion...

Actually, IMO I have always believed that Misty was supposed to make the 911 call before RC got home. I think she got scared and did not want to face LE by herself. RC was angry that when he got home it was not already taken care of ... Hence RC alling MC 20 - 90 times saying did you do it yet? I also have heard that their was a call at 2:13AM at Tommy's made, and maybe that was MC calling or ToC calling from thier house and hanging up bc they got scared.

 

[justus4all]

Actually, IMO I have always believed that Misty was supposed to make the 911 call before RC got home. I think she got scared and did not want to face LE by herself. RC was angry that when he got home it was not already taken care of ... Hence RC alling MC 20 - 90 times saying did you do it yet? I also have heard that their was a call at 2:13AM at Tommy's made, and maybe that was MC calling or ToC calling from thier house and hanging up bc they got scared.

bolded by me......That could very well be what happened...Yes. R could have been angry over Misty not making the call....That would explain his anger towards her.."*itch." comment...his anger was out of place for a missing child...

and the TYLER address (T's house) call in to LE...

SO...the question I have ...If first call was made from Tyler......WHO told the LE from the Tyler address that she was seen in her home 1 to 1 1/2 earlier??? and then they hang up...and the LE are sent out to Tyler???Was it Misty or Tommy...or L?

So was Misty at Tommy's making the 911 call ??? then get scared in the middle of it and hangs up???...OR is it T making the call and hangs up??? Then Misty goes back home and waits for R?

I like your thinking!!!!! Great senario!!

 

[dekalb]

I've been reading here for yrs. ya'll are great. imo the 911 call sounded fake. yea my 1st post/

 

[justus4all]

Welcome dekalb...I am new here as well....

Buckle up...

Trying to understand this case...with all the ..........twists, turns, ups, down, backwards, forwards, circles, loops, backflips, ..................It is ...one wild ride..

 

[azwriter]

I've been reading here for yrs. ya'll are great. imo the 911 call sounded fake. yea my 1st post/

Welcome to WS dekalb.

 

[4Jacy]

This opinion seems right to me....If R and GGMS DID NOT place themselves IN the MH after H was picked up, it seems the other players would AVOID placing themselves there as well...and their story would be...I was NOT there...........But T places himself there, Misty, as well, smoking a joint...(drugs involved????).....so.....................who really knows?????

I definately so agree. Not one person wanted to be involved into going in to the MH that pm/am. Why not? I believe everyone involved with this was very, very, extremely HIGH that night, and I do believe perhaps they don't know exactly what happened. Offer them SP, they do not have to do it, however, it could be one of best things they could do.

I realize it is not admissable in court, however, it could really help out the police!

 

[lonetraveler]

I definately so agree. Not one person wanted to be involved into going in to the MH that pm/am. Why not? I believe everyone involved with this was very, very, extremely HIGH that night, and I do believe perhaps they don't know exactly what happened. Offer them SP, they do not have to do it, however, it could be one of best things they could do.

I realize it is not admissable in court, however, it could really help out the police!

At the risk of sounding really dumb, what is SP? Sodium Penothal? Sp? Is that even used by anyone now? If yes, then I want to order doses for GGMs, TN, RC, MC, TOC, TIC, CC and LC, please?