General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[justus4all]

I definately so agree. Not one person wanted to be involved into going in to the MH that pm/am. Why not? I believe everyone involved with this was very, very, extremely HIGH that night, and I do believe perhaps they don't know exactly what happened. Offer them SP, they do not have to do it, however, it could be one of best things they could do.

I realize it is not admissable in court, however, it could really help out the police!

Bolded by me...IMO.....That IS an interesting thought...Everyone who played a part...in the disposal...did...get high....WASTED....AFTER THE DEED...so they would NOT have a clear memory..IF asked by LE..what happened ..Conflicting stories...

 

[lonetraveler]

I'll admit my level of aggravation from this case is at ALERT level. I have always had my doubts about GGMS's story about coming over to the MH that evening with laundry. Unfortunately, LE took her story and timeline and ran with it as if it were validated in some way. Even our very own Astrology thread's readings are based upon LE's blind acceptance of GGMS's accounting of her trip to Ron's MH. This has really been eating at me because it is such an important event in this entire case. This event unfortunately is also used as the last time anyone saw a "live" Haleigh other than Misty (as one of the stories go). What if this entire event did not happen as GGMS stated? What then? LE's entire timeline is based upon this statement of GGMS. I don't know about y'all but I'm not comfortable with that and never have been.

The desperate actions on the part of Teresa Neves (Haleigh's paternal grandmother) to beg, plead and offer to pay Misty to show up to babysit Haleigh and Jr. seems suspect to me. I really would like to know what time this phone call occurred. I also would like to know if the dang AC man actually saw Haleigh or Misty or Ron or Teresa, for that matter. There is a lot riding on having Misty at that MH that evening. Too much riding on it actually. Tommy has admitted to lying about when he came over to the MH, maybe he didn't go over at all, who the heck knows. Maybe Haleigh was already dead in the MH when Misty arrived at the MH. Maybe Misty arrived much later than we know and was immediately drafted by TN to protect Ron's butt and help with the cleanup. Misty being in love and all decided that she would do whatever to protect Ron from going to prison for the death of his daughter. Maybe she was told by Teresa that Haleigh's death was a tragic accident. I just do not believe that Tommy and Joe were involved in anyway in Haleigh's death. I also do not believe that Haleigh's disposal was left up to the three stooges. I believe that the Cumming's family took care of their own. She is somewhere buried in a peaceful place. I just can not see the Cummings allowing someone who does not love or care for her to just throw her in the river. I will never believe this. However, I do believe that Ron's relatives (including maybe father, uncles, and others) have threatened Misty's father and mother and the rest of her family, including her if the secret ever gets out. If Tommy and Joe were recruited to help with the disposal of drugs, guns or anything else, it was under threat of the Cummings. JMO.

 

[TrialAddict]

I wish Misty was in jail here in, AZ. No smokes and limited calls depending on her inmate level.

 

[justus4all]

I am just plain SUSPECT..of what ANYBODY..says/sees/hears...AFTER H got off at the bus stop after school...Too many stories....start...THERE...

She was ALIVE and seen at school that day...and arrived back home and stepped off the school bus...

The moment after she stepped off the bus...CONFLICTING Stories..STARTED..

I am betting the LE are NOT using ANY of the C/C families...for timelines...

ALL IN MY OWN OPINION...

 

[lonetraveler]

Yep and Ron and GGMS are very careful not to put their selves in the trailer after the bus pickup. Ron does not say he went in the trailer and GGMS does not go in the trailer.

I think they know something was found in the trailer that says harm came to Haleigh.

I agree, Haleigh could have already been laid out on that little mattress wrapped in her blanket waiting for someone to come pick her up. I'm beginning to think that Misty found out at the 2:15 am time when a neighbor heard a woman screaming. Or she arrived at the MH to find Haleigh already gone, picked up by whoever disposed of her and became hysterical. Maybe Misty was set up to be the one to discover Haleigh missing. ??? The Cummings' family grew really fond of the teenager who was "the last person to see their missing little girl/granddaughter". Strange, huh? So eager to get Ron married off to her, even furnished the wedding ring and most likely paid for the wedding gown along with makeup and hair style.

IMO, Ron struck Haleigh in a fit of rage over his fight with Misty and rage over not having a babysitter/housekeeper/bedwarmer. Misty has talked about how he would beg and threaten to kill himself when she would leave him and how grandma would send Haleigh over to beg her to return. Ron is obsessed with Misty. This is a very sick relationship they have going. Fatal attraction at its finest.

 

[lonetraveler]

I am just plain SUSPECT..of what ANYBODY..says/sees/hears...AFTER H got off at the bus stop after school...Too many stories....start...THERE...

She was ALIVE and seen at school that day...and arrived back home and stepped off the school bus...

The moment after she stepped off the bus...CONFLICTING Stories..STARTED..

I am betting the LE are NOT using ANY of the C/C families...for timelines...

ALL IN MY OWN OPINION...

IMO the people who saw her get off the bus were most likely the last people to see Haleigh healthy and safe. Something very bad happened after she got off of that bus.

 

[justus4all]

I'll admit my level of aggravation from this case is at ALERT level. I have always had my doubts about GGMS's story about coming over to the MH that evening with laundry. Unfortunately, LE took her story and timeline and ran with it as if it were validated in some way. Even our very own Astrology thread's readings are based upon LE's blind acceptance of GGMS's accounting of her trip to Ron's MH. This has really been eating at me because it is such an important event in this entire case. This event unfortunately is also used as the last time anyone saw a "live" Haleigh other than Misty (as one of the stories go). What if this entire event did not happen as GGMS stated? What then? LE's entire timeline is based upon this statement of GGMS. I don't know about y'all but I'm not comfortable with that and never have been.

The desperate actions on the part of Teresa Neves (Haleigh's paternal grandmother) to beg, plead and offer to pay Misty to show up to babysit Haleigh and Jr. seems suspect to me. I really would like to know what time this phone call occurred. I also would like to know if the dang AC man actually saw Haleigh or Misty or Ron or Teresa, for that matter. There is a lot riding on having Misty at that MH that evening. Too much riding on it actually. Tommy has admitted to lying about when he came over to the MH, maybe he didn't go over at all, who the heck knows. Maybe Haleigh was already dead in the MH when Misty arrived at the MH. Maybe Misty arrived much later than we know and was immediately drafted by TN to protect Ron's butt and help with the cleanup. Misty being in love and all decided that she would do whatever to protect Ron from going to prison for the death of his daughter. Maybe she was told by Teresa that Haleigh's death was a tragic accident. I just do not believe that Tommy and Joe were involved in anyway in Haleigh's death. I also do not believe that Haleigh's disposal was left up to the three stooges. I believe that the Cumming's family took care of their own. She is somewhere buried in a peaceful [/B]place. I just can not see the Cummings allowing someone who does not love or care for her to just throw her in the river. I will never believe this. However, I do believe that Ron's relatives (including maybe father, uncles, and others) have threatened Misty's father and mother and the rest of her family, including her if the secret ever gets out. If Tommy and Joe were recruited to help with the disposal of drugs, guns or anything else, it was under threat of the Cummings. JMO.

bolded by me....I agree with that statement....altho...originally, H may have been placed in the water by the dock...but later retrieved, and privately buried...I believe the dumpster, the boat dock ramp, then into the water..was probably done in haste and panic...then later she was retrieved from the water and laid to rest ...where only THEY know....all in my own opinion

 

[justus4all]

IMO the people who saw her get off the bus were most likely the last people to see Haleigh healthy and safe. Something very bad happened after she got off of that bus.

I agree with that....Right after she gets off the bus...Read about all the conflicting stories...that start...at THAT moment....all in my own opinion

 

[cj1132]

For some reason, a lot of things about this case are really getting to me tonite. Hopefully, that's a sign that things are finally coming to a head and the real perp(s) are going to be arrested soon.

 

[Wendy101]

I'll admit my level of aggravation from this case is at ALERT level. I have always had my doubts about GGMS's story about coming over to the MH that evening with laundry. Unfortunately, LE took her story and timeline and ran with it as if it were validated in some way. Even our very own Astrology thread's readings are based upon LE's blind acceptance of GGMS's accounting of her trip to Ron's MH. This has really been eating at me because it is such an important event in this entire case. This event unfortunately is also used as the last time anyone saw a "live" Haleigh other than Misty (as one of the stories go). What if this entire event did not happen as GGMS stated? What then? LE's entire timeline is based upon this statement of GGMS. I don't know about y'all but I'm not comfortable with that and never have been.

The desperate actions on the part of Teresa Neves (Haleigh's paternal grandmother) to beg, plead and offer to pay Misty to show up to babysit Haleigh and Jr. seems suspect to me. I really would like to know what time this phone call occurred. I also would like to know if the dang AC man actually saw Haleigh or Misty or Ron or Teresa, for that matter. There is a lot riding on having Misty at that MH that evening. Too much riding on it actually. Tommy has admitted to lying about when he came over to the MH, maybe he didn't go over at all, who the heck knows. Maybe Haleigh was already dead in the MH when Misty arrived at the MH. Maybe Misty arrived much later than we know and was immediately drafted by TN to protect Ron's butt and help with the cleanup. Misty being in love and all decided that she would do whatever to protect Ron from going to prison for the death of his daughter. Maybe she was told by Teresa that Haleigh's death was a tragic accident. I just do not believe that Tommy and Joe were involved in anyway in Haleigh's death. I also do not believe that Haleigh's disposal was left up to the three stooges. I believe that the Cumming's family took care of their own. She is somewhere buried in a peaceful place. I just can not see the Cummings allowing someone who does not love or care for her to just throw her in the river. I will never believe this. However, I do believe that Ron's relatives (including maybe father, uncles, and others) have threatened Misty's father and mother and the rest of her family, including her if the secret ever gets out. If Tommy and Joe were recruited to help with the disposal of drugs, guns or anything else, it was under threat of the Cummings. JMO.

This post deserves MORE than a thank you.
It deserves a standing standing ovation!

 

[Buterflytat]

I think you are all right about questioning "what happened to HayLeigh after she got off the bus. I agree; there are too many conflicting stories of who picked her up. Big Red Flag. I've always felt that by Ron's own actions; that he was involved. His mom and gms there to clean up whatever mess he made. Misty was the fall girl. A young naive, conniving, drugged out immature girl who thought Ron was her world. Don't get me wrong I still believe she is as guilty in this crime; I just feel that her feelings for Ron made her weak and had too many "If you loved me, you would do this for me" asked of her.
All involved need to do some major time.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Bolded by me...IMO.....That IS an interesting thought...Everyone who played a part...in the disposal...did...get high....WASTED....AFTER THE DEED...so they would NOT have a clear memory..IF asked by LE..what happened ..Conflicting stories...

I really don't think it is uncommon to have inconsistencies to the same event by people who were there when it happened.

We have seen those classes given by LE where the people in the room don't know it is a setup and a supposed robber runs in and swipes a purse. Many thinks the robber came through one entrance door and another one will think they came out of another door and their descriptions of the robber can vary widely.

If their stories matched perfectly I would have more of a problem with that than I would if there are some conflicting remembering of what happened. If they matched exactly then I would think they have concocted a story among themselves. People will remember things differently. Their focus can be on two different things at the time or may be in a different room or further away from what was happening than the other one.

I am not so sure Misty was under the influence of drugs when Haleigh disappeared. I think she was probably suffering from coming down off of a three day drug binge. Now Joe and Tommy may have been under the influence of drugs even before they got there.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think you are all right about questioning "what happened to HayLeigh after she got off the bus. I agree; there are too many conflicting stories of who picked her up. Big Red Flag. I've always felt that by Ron's own actions; that he was involved. His mom and gms there to clean up whatever mess he made. Misty was the fall girl. A young naive, conniving, drugged out immature girl who thought Ron was her world. Don't get me wrong I still believe she is as guilty in this crime; I just feel that her feelings for Ron made her weak and had too many "If you loved me, you would do this for me" asked of her.
All involved need to do some major time.

I suspect that the AC man/GGS and whomever it was that rode with her to bring the clothes back offered to take a polygraph and passed. LE seems to believe these people imo.

Also I also remember someone saying that Haleigh was seen riding her bike after Ron went to work.

I just think there are too many witnesses showing she was alive and well after her father went to work.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'll admit my level of aggravation from this case is at ALERT level. I have always had my doubts about GGMS's story about coming over to the MH that evening with laundry. Unfortunately, LE took her story and timeline and ran with it as if it were validated in some way. Even our very own Astrology thread's readings are based upon LE's blind acceptance of GGMS's accounting of her trip to Ron's MH. This has really been eating at me because it is such an important event in this entire case. This event unfortunately is also used as the last time anyone saw a "live" Haleigh other than Misty (as one of the stories go). What if this entire event did not happen as GGMS stated? What then? LE's entire timeline is based upon this statement of GGMS. I don't know about y'all but I'm not comfortable with that and never have been.

The desperate actions on the part of Teresa Neves (Haleigh's paternal grandmother) to beg, plead and offer to pay Misty to show up to babysit Haleigh and Jr. seems suspect to me. I really would like to know what time this phone call occurred. I also would like to know if the dang AC man actually saw Haleigh or Misty or Ron or Teresa, for that matter. There is a lot riding on having Misty at that MH that evening. Too much riding on it actually. Tommy has admitted to lying about when he came over to the MH, maybe he didn't go over at all, who the heck knows. Maybe Haleigh was already dead in the MH when Misty arrived at the MH. Maybe Misty arrived much later than we know and was immediately drafted by TN to protect Ron's butt and help with the cleanup. Misty being in love and all decided that she would do whatever to protect Ron from going to prison for the death of his daughter. Maybe she was told by Teresa that Haleigh's death was a tragic accident. I just do not believe that Tommy and Joe were involved in anyway in Haleigh's death. I also do not believe that Haleigh's disposal was left up to the three stooges. I believe that the Cumming's family took care of their own. She is somewhere buried in a peaceful place. I just can not see the Cummings allowing someone who does not love or care for her to just throw her in the river. I will never believe this. However, I do believe that Ron's relatives (including maybe father, uncles, and others) have threatened Misty's father and mother and the rest of her family, including her if the secret ever gets out. If Tommy and Joe were recruited to help with the disposal of drugs, guns or anything else, it was under threat of the Cummings. JMO.

I would really like to know the true story on whether TN even asked Misty to babysit. I do not believe Misty Croslin since her credibility is zero to me. Sounds like another Misty self pity party imo. Has TN ever said this was true?

Why would a family need another family to help them dispose of a small little child or anything else? If it was a family thing then why would they want to involve anyone else. That makes no sense imo. More involved more to let the secret out.

I don't think Ron Cummings was given any say so in the matter. IMO, his child was already thrown away like trash before he got home. If Ron Cummings had been there Haleigh wouldn't have been taken anywhere but the perps knew that he wasnt there and knew the only one that was there was a teenage girl.

Since LE said they had cleared the AC man I do think they found him very credible when he told them he saw the little girl when he came to do maintenance on the AC.

Also I heard that someone also saw Haleigh out riding her bike after Ron went to work.

IMO, Misty is covering for Misty.

If the Cummings family were threatening the Croslins then why do some of them seem to feel sorry for Ron Cummings?:waitasec:

IMOO

 

[nomoresorrow]

(BBM)

That scenario would have explained a lot of odd behavior & various crapola for me. But THEN they went to jail with these irrefutable trafficking charges and now they are forced to tell their BEST story - it seems....

A story that says Misty was at the Mobile Home at all - that would be Misty's best out - also Tommy's - they would have admitted Misty was not even home when Haleigh was taken - by now, given that they are already in the pokey with serious charges.

They could tell the "we left the kids unattended" story, but nope. They are telling stories that place Tommy & Misty with an endangered - possibly even dead Haleigh - and placing Misty in the MH, with Haleigh for the "abduction".

They've kind of narrowed the direction we can sleuth down a bit with this last round of story-telling. Our only other option is to disregard their stories (because we know all they do is lie). But even if we did that, we have acknowledge the fact that they have been already willing to implicate themselves, and ... (only) Joe additionally, at this juncture.

For some reason, they never took the "yeah - we were out at a party and left the kids home" route. I wonder why. It could have even been a Joe/Tommy/Misty private party.

Maybe it was a private party. Just in the MH.

:cow:

Although there are several, this is one of the main reasons why I believe that Ronald is the conductor of this orchestra (so to say). IMO there is only one reason why Misty didn't take this out and that is because Ronald told her no way! He didn't want anyone to think/know that he left his children regularly in the care of his drug-addicted and irresponsible under-age girlfriend. IMO it's all about Ronald - always has been from day 1. JMHO ~

 

[bessie]

I would really like to know the true story on whether TN even asked Misty to babysit. I do not believe Misty Croslin since her credibility is zero to me. Sounds like another Misty self pity party imo. Has TN ever said this was true?

Why would a family need another family to help them dispose of a small little child or anything else? If it was a family thing then why would they want to involve anyone else. That makes no sense imo. More involved more to let the secret out.

I don't think Ron Cummings was given any say so in the matter. IMO, his child was already thrown away like trash before he got home. If Ron Cummings had been there Haleigh wouldn't have been taken anywhere but the perps knew that he wasnt there and knew the only one that was there was a teenage girl.

Since LE said they had cleared the AC man I do think they found him very credible when he told them he saw the little girl when he came to do maintenance on the AC.

Also I heard that someone also saw Haleigh out riding her bike after Ron went to work.

IMO, Misty is covering for Misty.

If the Cummings family were threatening the Croslins then why do some of them seem to feel sorry for Ron Cummings?:waitasec:

IMOO

This is the only statement released by LE in regard to the A/C man. We do not know his account of the events that afternoon.

Merchant confirmed that and air conditioning repairman did visit the home at 5 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2009, the day before Haleigh's disappearance, but police are confident he was not involved.
Inv. Merchant said he was questioned within an hour of the disappearance and provided a solid alibi.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

 

[1Chump]

It's in the beginning of Tape 15.
T: Did y'all talk to her?

H: Yeah, she says she's telling everything she knows. Her lawyer doesn't seem to think she's telling everything. Some say...some seem to think that Haleigh OD'd. And you and Joe went down there to help

T: They're outta their minds. They're crazy as .

H: The s**t she says is crazy as , too...the s**t she supposedly says.

(A little more blah, blah, then Lisa takes the phone from Hank.)

L: Hey! Misty says something about you told...she was sitting on the couch with you...

T: I can't talk about nothin', okay.

Then Hank is suddently back on the phone. There is a little blip between Lisa's two sentences. I don't know if this part was intentionally cut or if it was a glitch, but something is definitely missing.
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For a different perspective, I don't see Lisa's couch comment as about that night. I read it more as Misty says that she was on sitting on the couch with you and you told her something about.....

IMO, Tommy is just telling his Mom, Gma Flo's daughter, that he can't talk about nothing. I don't think that Tommy trusts his Mom to tell her anything unless he does not care if it goes thru the family or this case the public.

 

[Snowbunny]

Does anybody know if they ever took a cadavar dog into the MH? If she died at the MH then a cadavar dog should have been able to pickup on that scent. I know they had cadavar dogs around the MH but that's why I was asking if they were ever in the MH with a dog.

 

[Baznme]

Does anybody know if they ever took a cadavar dog into the MH? If she died at the MH then a cadavar dog should have been able to pickup on that scent. I know they had cadavar dogs around the MH but that's why I was asking if they were ever in the MH with a dog.

I don't know how we would know that. I haven't seen anything about their search methods inside the MH other than the dusting for fingerprints and I think they figured out that they didn't need to look "under" the beds since Misty already checked.....LOL

Sorry, thought I would interject a little humor there to lighten things up a bit.

 

[Emeralgem]

Does anybody know if they ever took a cadavar dog into the MH? If she died at the MH then a cadavar dog should have been able to pickup on that scent. I know they had cadavar dogs around the MH but that's why I was asking if they were ever in the MH with a dog.

To my knowledge no they didn't, not that night anyways but I suspect if they did take them inside the MH at a later date the cadaver dogs would not have picked up on Haleigh's scent inside the MH located at 202 Green Lane..IMHO.. Three different dogs did hit on that dumpster though..And that tells me Haleigh was placed there at some point....JMO