General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[Emeralgem]

Ok, Granny got there with the laundry 7:00-7:30? HaLeigh would have been gone 10 minutes later.
So the earliest HaLeigh was gone was 7:10 to the latest 7:40. Right?
Now, what time did the phone calls start pouring in from Ronald. I think it was said a call went to Tommys house at 9:00 and the reason he called Tommy was because he had been trying to contact Misty becaseu they were "fighting " on the phone earlier and Ronald thought Misty wouldn't answer, so he called Tommy to see if Misty was there......

It is been stated GGMS was sent there sometime between 7:00 and 8:00 pm
GGMS has stated she was there around 7:30.. She has also stated it was closer to 8:00, so take your pick...
I suspect the change in the time has everything to do with providing an alibi for her grandson..
IIRC..The telephone fight between Ron and Misty happened around 8:30 pm on the 9th.. Supposedly she turned off her phone then.. Ron C called Tommy sometime after 9:00...Tommy claimed he went to the MH around 10:00 pm..My understanding is he is now denying he went there, however LE isn't dismissing what he originally stated..JMO

 

[bessie]

Ever had a teenager lie right to your face about something? You could have been there, seen whatever, and when confronted, that teen will lie to you about it and tell you that you're making it up. Misty has demonstrated a propensity of lying to save her butt. All lies Misty tells have a reason. Some of them are bad lies, some of them are effective in keeping the truth from being known. But lies they are, and lies they'll always be.

But in this instance, I don't think Misty had any script about the AC guy. She mentioned him in the initial contact with LE, since LE claims they talked to the AC guy within an hour of the 911 call. The question "Who was at the house?" could have garnered her response "Well, I know there was an AC guy who came by......" and what we eventually heard was that she was there with the AC guy.

Frankly, since the AC guy was cleared tuit suite, I'm going with Misty lied about some part of the story regarding his visit to the MH.

I'll grant you that one, Debs. You and I are in complete agreement over Misty's proclivity for lying to save her behind. And I concede that her lies often lack a logical basis. But what I was really questioning was your suggestion of the phone call and its impact on Ron's alibi.

 

[lonetraveler]

bolded by me....I agree with that statement....altho...originally, H may have been placed in the water by the dock...but later retrieved, and privately buried...I believe the dumpster, the boat dock ramp, then into the water..was probably done in haste and panic...then later she was retrieved from the water and laid to rest ...where only THEY know....all in my own opinion

I have always been skeptical about someone using the Shell Harbor boat ramp for a place to dispose of a body. Doesn't make sense. There are houses on either side of a "public" boat ramp and the body was supposedly tied to cinderblocks with yellow rope and thrown into the river. If, and I'm saying with a BIG IF Haleigh was thrown into that area then I believe that someone in a boat out on the river was sitting there waiting for them to leave so that they could come up in the boat, take her out of the water, put her into the boat and then they just rode away to put her in a more permanent place. IMO, if Haleigh was actually put there, then whoever put her there had explicit instructions on where to leave her.

 

[justus4all]

I have always been skeptical about someone using the Shell Harbor boat ramp for a place to dispose of a body. Doesn't make sense. There are houses on either side of a "public" boat ramp and the body was supposedly tied to cinderblocks with yellow rope and thrown into the river. If, and I'm saying with a BIG IF Haleigh was thrown into that area then I believe that someone in a boat out on the river was sitting there waiting for them to leave so that they could come up in the boat, take her out of the water, put her into the boat and then they just rode away to put her in a more permanent place. IMO, if Haleigh was actually put there, then whoever put her there had explicit instructions on where to leave her.

Bolded by me...IF the LE DID FIND..the cinderblocks and the yellow rope..at the dock ...Does anyone know if skin cells. DNA, on underwater items..can still be found/tested/analysed/results found..... months and months later????

Perhaps if so, the test results/findings will bring this case 1 step closer to being solved...and the person/s arrested...

How many days has it been now...since the blocks/rope was recovered?
Thanks...

 

[gibby207]

I'm just going to rehash my theory in saying they are all liars. I dunno... I'm sick of it, and most of all, I'm sad for HaLeigh. She deserved more. She coulda stayed at my house with my 5-year-old girls... coulda played as triplets. They could be putting floor puzzles together with my girls as I type this. But no. We have this BS and lies. When will someone stand for HaLeigh???????

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Not to say you're wrong about the AC guy but my reading of this is that Merchant confirms that the AC guy was questioned within an hour of the 911 call, not necessarily Haleigh's disappearance because LE said that they didn't know what time it happened.

Imo this paragraph treats the time of disappearance as synonymous with the time of the missing persons report, since they say "within an hour of the disappearance" and say that Feb 9 was the day before Haleigh's disappearance. By all accounts we used to have at the time the exact hour of the disappearance or even the day of the disappearance weren't known for sure. According to Misty's timeline the hour of the disappearance could be anything from 10 pm. on Monday to 3 am on Tuesday, and LE said the timeline started with Granny Sykes's visit at 7 pm.

Family members say they saw Haleigh after the AC man was there so unless LE wanted to publicly dispute the family members they would go with the stated last sighting in the media even if they privately had some doubts that it might not be the truth.

There are enough lies to go around even if the last sighting happens to be completely true.

I am not quite sure what you are saying. Since Haleigh was also seen again later by other people then she was very much alive at 5 pm when the AC maintenance man was at her home while her father was at work. If LE does not have a time line then how can they say the AC man had an iron clad alibi?

I believe if LE suspected that the time line wasnt after the AC man saw Haleigh then LE would have never ruled him out in the first place.

I believe LE questioned this man shortly after the 911 call was made declaring Haleigh missing.

I haven't seen any of the people who have said they saw Haleigh after she came home from school that day called liars by LE. They all seem credible imo.

Now what Misty has said I take with a whole boat load of salt and then some.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Bolded by me...IF the LE DID FIND..the cinderblocks and the yellow rope..at the dock ...Does anyone know if skin cells. DNA, on underwater items..can still be found/tested/analysis/results found..... months and months later????

Perhaps if so, the test results/findings will bring this case 1 step closer to being solved...and the person/s arrested...

How many days has it been now...since the blocks/rope was recovered?
Thanks...

It has been about a month and a half iirc.

To do this type of testing it takes a specialist in their field. Not ever lab is competent to do analysis on concrete blocks and rope. I do not think any of the lab results are back yet and LE said a lot of items were recovered from the river and would be sent off to be tested.

As I mentioned previously. In Atlanta six months ago two twin girls murdered their mother yet it took the GBI/FBI six months to get the DNA results back tying them to the murder. Also the Gee family murder case and the Heinz family murder cases happened in 8-9 2009. The DAs in both cases are still receiving evidence back from the labs.

Sadly Haleigh's case is not the only ongoing case in Florida. Many, many unsolved cases are ahead of hers and those cases that are going to trial.

I would think it highly unlikely that any dna would be retrieved. If they used duct tape to bind her first (that breaks my heart just writing it) then fingerprints, hair and fibers have been found even after it has been in the water for up to three years.

imo

 

[justus4all]

I am not quite sure what you are saying. Since Haleigh was also seen again later by other people then she was very much alive at 5 pm when the AC maintenance man was at her home while her father was at work. If LE does not have a time line then how can they say the AC man had an iron clad alibi?

I believe if LE suspected that the time line wasnt after the AC man saw Haleigh then LE would have never ruled him out in the first place.

I believe LE questioned this man shortly after the 911 call was made declaring Haleigh missing.

I haven't seen any of the people who have said they saw Haleigh after she came home from school that day called liars by LE. They all seem credible imo.

Now what Misty has said I take with a whole boat load of salt and then some.

IMO

Bolded by me...I do not profess to have any knowledge of LE and their "tactics", but I would venture a guess they (LE) are keeping ALL of their information, and knowledge, including timelines to themselves...and are ONLY putting out to the public what they want us to ....hear/know/believe/..I believe the LE can lie/distort/deny/ their public information to get the desired
outcome that only they themselves want/need...So for me...the timeline.....has always been in question...all in my own opinion...

 

[justus4all]

It has been about a month and a half iirc.

To do this type of testing it takes a specialist in their field. Not ever lab is competent to do analysis on concrete blocks and rope. I do not think any of the lab results are back yet and LE said a lot of items were recovered from the river and would be sent off to be tested.

As I mentioned previously. In Atlanta six months ago two twin girls murdered their mother yet it took the GBI/FBI six months to get the DNA results back tying them to the murder. Also the Gee family murder case and the Heinz family murder cases happened in 8-9 2009. The DAs in both cases are still receiving evidence back from the labs.

Sadly Haleigh's case is not the only ongoing case in Florida. Many, many unsolved cases are ahead of hers and those cases that are going to trial.

I would think it highly unlikely that any dna would be retrieved. If they used duct tape to bind her first (that breaks my heart just writing it) then fingerprints, hair and fibers have been found even after it has been in the water for up to three years.

imo

Thanks Oceanblueeyes...Your comment is appreciated..

 

[debs]

I am not quite sure what you are saying. Since Haleigh was also seen again later by other people then she was very much alive at 5 pm when the AC maintenance man was at her home while her father was at work. If LE does not have a time line then how can they say the AC man had an iron clad alibi?

Really? Who saw her? What proof did they offer?

I believe if LE suspected that the time line wasnt after the AC man saw Haleigh then LE would have never ruled him out in the first place. I believe LE questioned this man shortly after the 911 call was made declaring Haleigh missing.

The AC guy was ruled out no sooner than 5 a.m. the morning Haleigh was reported missing, since within the hour of the 911 call, it is reported LE called to verify his alibi. Since he was reportedly there around 5-5:30....there is a substantial amount of time where these other "familial" witnesses would fill in a gap which could serve to cover up a crime.

I haven't seen any of the people who have said they saw Haleigh after she came home from school that day called liars by LE. They all seem credible imo.

Really? Seems to me Tommy is called a liar daily. Seems to me Misty is called a liar, daily. Seems to me that it's convenient to roll into the liar label anyone named Croslin, but less convenient to roll in those 'other' eye witnesses.

Now what Misty has said I take with a whole boat load of salt and then some.

IMO

.......thank you for proving the point you chose to refute.

 

[bessie]

I am not quite sure what you are saying. Since Haleigh was also seen again later by other people then she was very much alive at 5 pm when the AC maintenance man was at her home while her father was at work. If LE does not have a time line then how can they say the AC man had an iron clad alibi?

I believe if LE suspected that the time line wasnt after the AC man saw Haleigh then LE would have never ruled him out in the first place.

I believe LE questioned this man shortly after the 911 call was made declaring Haleigh missing.

I haven't seen any of the people who have said they saw Haleigh after she came home from school that day called liars by LE. They all seem credible imo.

Now what Misty has said I take with a whole boat load of salt and then some.

IMO

The A/C guy's alibi does not establish the timeline, nor does the timeline establish his alibi. Theoretically, he could've made the 5:00 service call, left, and returned later that night. Only eyewitness accounts of his whereabouts after 5 p.m. and up until the 911 call would constitute a rock solid alibi for the A/C man.

Now, if the A/C man told LE that he saw an alive Haleigh when he was at the MH at 5:00, then his testimony aids in establishing the timeline. It tells us the crime occurred after 5:00. It does not tell us who committed the crime.

 

[gngr~snap]

I am not quite sure what you are saying. Since Haleigh was also seen again later by other people then she was very much alive at 5 pm when the AC maintenance man was at her home while her father was at work. If LE does not have a time line then how can they say the AC man had an iron clad alibi?

I believe if LE suspected that the time line wasnt after the AC man saw Haleigh then LE would have never ruled him out in the first place.

I believe LE questioned this man shortly after the 911 call was made declaring Haleigh missing.

I haven't seen any of the people who have said they saw Haleigh after she came home from school that day called liars by LE. They all seem credible imo.

Now what Misty has said I take with a whole boat load of salt and then some.

IMO

BBM~
I wonder about this A/C guy... how could he have been cleared so quickly? Was he detained for some reason by LE during the night?
Could he have left and gone straight to LE to report something he saw or heard while he was at the MH?
was he in a bar for the duration of the night and caught on video?
maybe he continued working and several other people were his alibi's?

 

[bessie]

BBM~
I wonder about this A/C guy... how could he have been cleared so quickly? Was he detained for some reason by LE during the night?
Could he have left and gone straight to LE to report something he saw or heard while he was at the MH?
was he in a bar for the duration of the night and caught on video?
maybe he continued working and several other people were his alibi's?

Those are good possibilities. There are many of them. He went on to his next service call. People in the neighborhood saw him. He went by the office afterward. It was his bowling night. He was drinking with friends. His wife and kids know he was home all night. Merchant said they cleared him within an hour, so whatever it is, it must've been easily verified.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Bolded by me...I do not profess to have any knowledge of LE and their "tactics", but I would venture a guess they (LE) are keeping ALL of their information, and knowledge, including timelines to themselves...and are ONLY putting out to the public what they want us to ....hear/know/believe/..I believe the LE can lie/distort/deny/ their public information to get the desired
outcome that only they themselves want/need...So for me...the timeline.....has always been in question...all in my own opinion...

Yes, I think that is only natural since we have no clue what LE knows or has learned but I think they do have a time line and have backed it up with their long investigation.

I really haven't seen LE much in this case. They have remained pretty quiet. I didn't get the feeling they are lying about anything. I have seen LE lie to potential suspects which is legal but I can't remember them lying in PCs.

I also thought the time line was one of the best pieces of evidence they have.

Very very easy to verify Ron's since he was at work where surveillance cameras were and other employees too.

And all the sightings of Haleigh being alive after then narrows it down greatly imo.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM~
I wonder about this A/C guy... how could he have been cleared so quickly? Was he detained for some reason by LE during the night?
Could he have left and gone straight to LE to report something he saw or heard while he was at the MH?
was he in a bar for the duration of the night and caught on video?
maybe he continued working and several other people were his alibi's?

He must have been able to establish his whereabouts very easily.

The one I am more interested in is the one that insists he wasnt there the night Haleigh was taken. Joe Overstreet, but if LE really believed his story they wouldn't have taken all of his clothing and searched the vehicle he road back in to TN. And if he knew nothing like he says then LE wouldn't have interviewed him several times before he lawyered up.

I want to know if he has an iron clad alibi and if so was it one of the Croslins that substantiated it?

IMO

 

[debs]

He must have been able to establish his whereabouts very easily.

The one I am more interested in is the one that insists he wasnt there the night Haleigh was taken. Joe Overstreet, but if LE really believed his story they wouldn't have taken all of his clothing and searched the vehicle he road back in to TN. And if he knew nothing like he says then LE wouldn't have interviewed him several times before he lawyered up.

I want to know if he has an iron clad alibi and if so was it one of the Croslins that substantiated it?

IMO

Joe's lawyer states he saw Haleigh the night she disappeared. Ron Cummings currently holds the record for number of refutations of being anywhere near.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Joe's lawyer states he saw Haleigh the night she disappeared. Ron Cummings currently holds the record for number of refutations of being anywhere near.

Well I think Ron is about the only one that can really prove where he was and has. I suspect the others can't.

I didn't remember him saying he saw Haleigh THAT night. (How convenient) I thought he said he had met Haleigh when he was down visiting but gave no specific time. So he is another witness that saw Haleigh alive that night?

IMO

 

[Maven2379]

He must have been able to establish his whereabouts very easily.

The one I am more interested in is the one that insists he wasnt there the night Haleigh was taken. Joe Overstreet, but if LE really believed his story they wouldn't have taken all of his clothing and searched the vehicle he road back in to TN. And if he knew nothing like he says then LE wouldn't have interviewed him several times before he lawyered up.

I want to know if he has an iron clad alibi and if so was it one of the Croslins that substantiated it?

IMO

As far as JO is concerned, I really hope he had nothing to do with this. Tommy all but screamed "I LIED ABOUT JOE" from the rooftops in his latest phone calls, Misty suggested that the "Joe did it" story had been put into her head by outside forces. Clearly there is reasonable doubt. I'm not even sure I can consider the "Joe did it" story as anything more than BS at this point.

I am suspicious that the only account we have of Haleigh alive and well, after the bus stop comes from a family member, who IMO has good reason to lie.

 

[gngr~snap]

Those are good possibilities. There are many of them. He went on to his next service call. People in the neighborhood saw him. He went by the office afterward. It was his bowling night. He was drinking with friends. His wife and kids know he was home all night. Merchant said they cleared him within an hour, so whatever it is, it must've been easily verified.

Thank You! I did not know that.

Well there is one thing MC said that was true... the A/C guy was there.

So why do you think MC reported that he was there and not GGMS?
I cannot believe MC wouldn't say she had been there as well.

 

[gngr~snap]

As far as JO is concerned, I really hope he had nothing to do with this. Tommy all but screamed "I LIED ABOUT JOE" from the rooftops in his latest phone calls, Misty suggested that the "Joe did it" story had been put into her head but outside forces. Clearly there is reasonable doubt. I'm not even sure I can consider the "Joe did it" story as anything more than BS at this point.

I am suspicious of the only account we have of Haleigh alive and well, after the bus stop comes from a family member, who IMO has good reason to lie.

~BBM
and awfully convienent, everyone knew exactly when he was leaving... IMO