General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

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Thank You! I did not know that.

Well there is one thing MC said that was true... the A/C guy was there.

So why do you think MC reported that he was there and not GGMS?
I cannot believe MC wouldn't say she had been there as well.
I dunno. Another mistycism, I guess. Whether GGS was lying or not, she told LE she was there. Misty should've jumped on that one. Unless she wanted to keep that timeframe open in case she had to switch to another story later.
 
I dunno. Another mistycism, I guess. Whether GGS was lying or not, she told LE she was there. Misty should've jumped on that one. Unless she wanted to keep that timeframe open in case she had to switch to another story later.

Had she said GGMS was lying... then she would have lost someone that proved to be important to her down the road... didn't she live with GGMS after Haleigh disappeared?
She didn't bite the hand that fed her. IMO
 
Had she said GGMS was lying... then she would have lost someone that proved to be important to her down the road... didn't she live with GGMS after Haleigh disappeared?
She didn't bite the hand that fed her. IMO
She did live with GGS. Guess I wasn't clear. I'm sorry. I meant that Misty had every reason to go along with GGS's claim that she was there that night.
 
Why did everything go quite after about 4-5 months after she disappeared...Nothing from the immediate family...Just alot of the Croslins BS.. Smoke screen.. If my kid came up missing you couldn't shut me up...never...until I had my child alive or found her remains..The last thing I would do is leave the last place she was..In case the abductor may return her to the area...I'd be living there for at least the next 2 years... Surey Misty didn't talk him into moving...
 
Bring in the "FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION". There is a serious lack of investigation of the Cummings/Sheffield families...Both family's have direct connection with the local LE. This is beyond stupid anymore..It's a soap opera.. Why aren't the immediate family crying for justice ... If my kid was missing, I'd be running everyone through the mill...I wouldn't care... Trust me, everyone would be suspect.. As for the 911 call.. who were the better people he could talk to..???
 
I am not quite sure what you are saying. Since Haleigh was also seen again later by other people then she was very much alive at 5 pm when the AC maintenance man was at her home while her father was at work. If LE does not have a time line then how can they say the AC man had an iron clad alibi?

I'm not really sure what we're disagreeing about. I never attempted to imply that the AC man is a suspect in any way. He's pretty much the only person I don't suspect (but that might change if I saw him and didn't like him ;) ) . I think he'd be a little stupid if he'd go and abduct a little girl he's seen the same day he's seen him so LE will question him for sure. Why not wait for a few weeks and nobody thinks of him any more? Anyway, did someone say his alibi is ironclad? I assume that he can have a pretty good alibi if his whereabouts were credibly accounted for for the whole afternoon, evening and night after Haleigh got off from school even if LE doesn't know exactly when Haleigh really disappeared and if a family member is lying.

I was simply making an observation that the way the article you quoted was phrased it couldn't be correct (assuming LE told the truth about not knowing when the crime was committed). The quote implied that the exact hour of Haleigh's disappearance on Tuesday the 10th was known and JM confirmed that the AC guy was questioned within an hour of it, but obviously that can't be true if Haleigh disappeared, say, an hour after Misty went to sleep at 10 pm. since they got the 911 call at 3:27. The police was there at 3:40 or so and it must have taken them a few minutes to round up the information about the AC guy and then some more to find him and confirm his alibi. So according to my thinking JM was confirming that the AC guy was questioned within an hour of Haleigh being reported missing but that in itself says nothing about when Haleigh was abducted or when another crime was committed against her.

If she was, say, hit on the head and died bleeding slowly much later, the timeline of becoming a victim of crime and the timeline of disappearing could be very different. The AC guy could easily have done it in a few seconds and been under surveillance cameras in his favorite bar the rest of the night, but then someone else must have hidden her body. Unlikely, I assume, unless they thought they would be blamed.


I believe if LE suspected that the time line wasnt after the AC man saw Haleigh then LE would have never ruled him out in the first place.

Not sure how you arrive at that conclusion. DO we know for sure that he saw Haleigh? Has his statement been published? Anyway, to my thinking it's the other way around. If the timeline was before the AC guy's visit he might be cleared because she was already missing before he ever heard of her but I assume that if the AC guy was involved the timeline would have to be after his visit. He would hardly have abducted Haleigh first and then arrived at her home to check the air conditioning, fully expecting for the police to be there, and the family would have called 911 if they noticed Haleigh was gone. (Then again, maybe Misty wouldn't, she didn't do it later at night...) But presumably they wouldn't be lying for the AC guy so if he took her Misty et al. must suspect somebody else did.

I believe LE questioned this man shortly after the 911 call was made declaring Haleigh missing.

Yes, that was my point.

I haven't seen any of the people who have said they saw Haleigh after she came home from school that day called liars by LE. They all seem credible imo.

What? How? Credible witnesses? Who?


-her father whose story has some inconsistencies (IMO) and who is in jail for drugs
-neighbors at the bus stop who dispute her father's account of picking her up
-her father's girlfriend who has lied and lied over and over again and is in jail for drugs
-the girlfriend's brother who is dishonest person judging by his criminal record and is in jail for drugs
-there are also accounts that the two former were under the influence that night
-her father's grandmother who is obviously an interested party whose story about the sighting was published 9 days later (we don't know if she told it to LE earlier) and who has changed her stories (IMO)
-an elusive aunt who was just alluded to and who we haven't heard from that I know of. Did she say she saw Haleigh at all? Is she credible? I have no idea.
-there may or may not have been some neighbors who saw her and they might be credible (or not).

Then there are Tommy's children and Jr. who I would trust the most, maybe. Children can be influenced by their parents and caretakers to say things that aren't true but I expect if Haleigh wasn't there that night they couldn't have been sure that one of the kids wouldn't blurt it out and they might have made up a different story.

IMO LE generally avoids calling people liars unless they're ready with their evidence to try and prove them so in a trial, even if they are liars.

That said, I do believe that Haleigh came home from school and must have been seen by SOMEBODY because IMO we would have met a different set of liars (maybe school staff, some older students, other students' parents) if she'd gone missing during the school day.

Now what Misty has said I take with a whole boat load of salt and then some.
IMO

Wise choice, I'm sure.
 
I believe they (LE) said they have evidence from that night (finger prints, DNA, and other stuff) from the trailer.

They know whose finger prints, DNA,was there and whosefinger prints, DNA, wasn’t there.

Maybe that is why they (LE) keep saying MC story does not go along with what they have from the Trailer that night
 
I agree,, they asked for DNA specifically,, from everyone,,,.Meaning that there where/could be bodily fluids...not asking for finger prints..."they are great house keepers"..
 
I think if you take all of the "CROSLIN" drama away ...what do you have...NOTHING.. Why are the immediate family letting this drama go on..???.. I'd be going on and on about Haleigh, "help..we need to find her." and the very last thing I'd allow is a marriage proposal at my B-day party to someone who was last seen with my grandaughter, who failed LDS and give her and hierloom ring to boot.. WTF.
 
I agree,, they asked for DNA specifically,, from everyone,,,.Meaning that there where/could be bodily fluids...not asking for finger prints..."they are great house keepers"..

I am sure many of the POI have their Fingerprints in the NCIC Data base. I also believe they took their clothing and cell phones.
 
Bring in the "FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION". There is a serious lack of investigation of the Cummings/Sheffield families...Both family's have direct connection with the local LE. This is beyond stupid anymore..It's a soap opera.. Why aren't the immediate family crying for justice ... If my kid was missing, I'd be running everyone through the mill...I wouldn't care... Trust me, everyone would be suspect.. As for the 911 call.. who were the better people he could talk to..???

BBM~
I have a question and this may be in the wrong thread... Mods feel free to move it because I am not sure where to put it.

I mean no disrespect to LE anywhere! However... is it true that all that is required to enter LE is a clean background and a high school diploma no college at all? All the rookies have is a highshool diploma, a gun, and several weeks of training?

Seasoned LE are a different story IMO. I just don't understand how local LE is
able to handle this case on it's own without help from a "bigger" agency. How many missing and murdered children have there been in the Satsuma/Palatka area?

If I was a family member instead of hiring a PI I would be contacting the local media and making a BIG stink! We know what Crystal has done...
Why are TN and GGMS so quite now? Have they decided to stop looking for the person responsible for harming Haleigh? Nothin to say now that RC is behind bars? WHY???
Sems to me like they are laying awfully low IMO MOO!!!!
 
I don’t know where this goes so I will put it here.

After rereading the first police report again,
First and foremost, I was wonder what the blacked out parts were,

Secondly….and more important, RC statement about shooting who ever took his daughter, With the 9mm Beretta he has in his MH.

Now here is what I thought was odd, I would think RC first actions of first coming home would be,
1. Where is Haleigh!
2. Run around looking for her
3. Call 911
4. Get out his gun… He would look for it and secure it.

Now if ToC and JO were there prior to this looking to steal said such gun, wouldn’t it have been gone and RC of stated so to the police?

In addition, if it were there, wouldn’t JO and ToC found it and taken off with it and not needed to supposedly taken Haleigh. :waitasec:
 
Enough is enough.. If LE is going on expensive tax dollars at the expense of these silly people who will say anything to get out of jail, I feel for the people in Florida.. Tommy said he knocked on the trailer at 10:00 at night...and then says he lied.. If you listen to #9 of SKY, he beyond trys to tell his dad its all BS..all of it..you know me....
 
I don’t know where this goes so I will put it here.

After rereading the first police report again,
First and foremost, I was wonder what the blacked out parts were

The usual assumption is that the black parts or at least some of them refer to Junior and were blacked out because he's a child.
 
The usual assumption is that the black parts or at least some of them refer to Junior and were blacked out because he's a child.

I see that on Witness #5 would have been him. Jr

However down at the bottom where Sherriff Hardy, is giving details of the actions taken that night

It is blacked out in two areas.
 
I'm with Donjeta...who are the creditable witnesses,..The A.C. guy was cleared only as a an alibi.. It has never been said that he seen Haleigh..So what wittness is next..Gma Sykes, but will not put herself in the home...nor does Tommy in the evening, "smoking a joint".. I'm starting my time line where the lies begin...At the bus stop...Why lie about that... Three people telling different stories... WHY..??
 
I'm with Donjeta...who are the creditable witnesses,..The A.C. guy was cleared only as a an alibi.. It has never been said that he seen Haleigh..So what wittness is next..Gma Sykes, but will not put herself in the home...nor does Tommy in the evening, "smoking a joint".. I'm starting my time line where the lies begin...At the bus stop...Why lie about that... Three people telling different stories... WHY..??

per the adults at the bus stop Misty picked Haleigh up in the blue van. "and that's all I know!" I'm gonna believe them. Beyond that? I HAVE NO CLUE...
What could have happened to Haleigh in the van?
Where was RC? and why did he and TN say he picked her up? Because MC was not a licensed or insured driver on the van? Yet RC let Misty pick her up AND drive HIS children around... :furious:
 
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