General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[Emeralgem]

I still go back to when that boat was burned shortly after Haleigh went missing (Please don't ask for link-lol). I think she was cremated, but not at a funeral home.

My understanding is you would need temps between 1600-1800 degrees F in order to ensure complete disentergration. Those temps can't be produced by an ordinary fire. JMHO

 

[Concerned Papa]

There have been revelations in this case over the past week that disgust me. Please consider the following.

(1)

Apparently Tommy Croslin prepped his sister, Misty, on what to say to support the lies that lead up to, and prompted, the Shell Harbor search last year.

AND THE POLICE CAPTURED THE CONVERSATION ON TAPE!

Now, The Bald Truth has learned exclusively that it was Tommy Croslin who ordered sister Misty to concoct one of the many stories she’s told about what happened the night Haleigh Cummings disappeared. Sources familiar with the investigation tell me, in a brilliant move, police captured that conversation on tape as the siblings were allowed to ride together in a patrol car enroute to the St. John’s County Jail, where they were housed before drug trafficking convictions earned them a total of 40 years in the big house (25 for Misty, 15 for Tommy).

After Tommy apparently prepped his sister on what to say, Misty elaborated that she’d huddled under the covers with Haleigh’s little brother Junior, as we first reported, glimpsing cousin Joe Overstreet grab the screaming child, and head out the trailer door with Tommy, before she heard a van door slam.

http://www.artharris.com/2011/03/02/exclusive-tommy-croslin-told-misty-to-lie/#more-5131

(2)

After his arrest, Tommy Croslin took a polygraph, failed miserably, and “THEY” DID NOT REVEAL THAT!

CASAREZ: To Art Harris, investigative reporter.

You know, it was last April. And we were saying, "Hallelujah," because they`re going to solve this case.

And it all started after Tommy and Misty and Ronald were arrested for drug deals, prescription drug charges. They were incarcerated. Tommy took a polygraph, so his attorney says, and several days later he takes authorities out to the boat ramp.

HARRIS: That`s right, Jean. The polygraph given by a retired FBI agent in Jacksonville, that I reported on ArtHarris.com.

He flunked miserably. And they did not reveal that.

But he goes out to the river and takes law enforcement, shows him where he says he went down to the river with cousin Joe Overstreet (ph) of Tennessee. No proof Joe did anything.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1103/01/ng.01.html

The central question becomes, WHO IS “THEY”?

Let’s go back to last year on April 16, 2010. The following is a word for word, verbatim, timeline of events contained in a press release from James S. Werter, attorney for Tommy Croslin.

- On Thursday, April 8, 2010, Tommy did take a polygraph

- On Saturday, April 10, 2010, this attorney met with his client to discuss the results of the polygraph.

- On Sunday night, April 11, 2010, this attorney received a telephone call from Lindsey Croslin (Wife) that Tommy requested that we meet with Steven K. Brown, the private investigator involved for the past 10-11 months.

- On Monday morning, 9:30 AM, April 12, 2010, Steven K. Brown, this attorney and Tommy met at the St. Johns County Jail to discuss the polygraph and February 9, 2009.

- Based on discussions that morning, this attorney made contact with FDLE, the State Attorney’s Office and Scott Bolin, Special Agent, FBI, and arranged an interview with Tommy at the State Attorney’s Office, Homicide Investigations Unit, St. Augustine, Florida, at approximately 5:00 PM.

- As a result of the 2 plus hours interview with Jason Jolicoeiur, Special Agent, FDLE, Detective Peggy Cone, Putnam Co. Sheriff’s Office, under the guidance of this attorney and Steven K. Brown, Tommy took the group to the Shell Harbour Road boat ramp, St Johns River, Putnam County, Florida.

- The commencement of the river search for Haleigh was at 10:00 AM, Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6823795.php?

-Under the guidance of this attorney and “I Solved The Case” Brown, Tommy Croslin took and miserably failed a polygraph 120 hours before the morning of Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

-This attorney met, and DISCUSSED THE RESULTS of the failed polygraph, with Tommy Croslin 72 hours before the morning of Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

-This attorney and “I Solved The Case” Brown met, and again DISCUSSED THE RESULTS of the failed polygraph, with Tommy Croslin less than 24 hours before the morning of Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

-After meeting with his client on two different occasions, to DISCUSS THE RESULTS of the failed polygraph, this attorney arranged an interview of Tommy Croslin, by numerous branches of local, state, and federal investigators approximately 14 hours before the morning of Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

-Under the guidance of this attorney and “I Solved The Case” Brown, Tommy Croslin and the entire group went to the Shell Harbor boat ramp less than 12 hours before the morning of Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

Even with a full and much discussed knowledge of their client’s story being a LIE, this attorney and his “investigator” played central roles in relaying his tale to Law Enforcement.

Why is this important? Do you really think the Shell Harbor search and it’s massive expense would have ever happened had the miserably failed polygraph results ever been revealed by “THEM”?

More importantly, THIS would have never happened:

Last Tuesday they brought the family members into the sheriff`s office......They told them that it was now a homicide investigation and no longer a missing persons, and that they would have enough to go forward if they wanted to make funeral arrangements.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/19/ng.01.html

That is beyond cruel.

My anger and disgust with this attorney, his “investigator”, and their lying client knows no bounds.

 

[krkrjx]

OK, if Tommy did in fact "instruct Misty to LIE" and such instruction to lie is on tape, why would LE act on that by way of an expensive and dangerous search three months later?

I could certainly understand how LE might be fully disgusted with Tommy Croslin, and might after hearing his instructions for the lie determine he might be a good suspect. I do not understand how such a massive search ensued following this alleged conversation between Tommy and Misty where he is supposedly telling her how to LIE.

We all know now that the St. Johns story was a collossal lie, of course. But by the AH account, it sounds as if LE had identified it as a lie right away. Really, if this conversation happened enroute to jail back in January, why would LE wait so long to search if they believed any of it could be true? And if they had identified it as Tommy instructing Misty to lie, why search at all at any time?

If Tommy really did say anything like this it clearly makes him a good suspect. Even though his and Misty's account of what happened has been discredited, the fact that Tommy had to instruct Misty to lie at all speaks volumes. So did Tommy do this or not? Is such a conversation on tape or not?? Because it if is, that is some pretty good circumstancial evidence of involvement in Haleigh's demise, IMO.

I am just not convinced this happened in the way it is being reported. I am having a hard time connecting the dots here.

 

[Concerned Papa]

OK, if Tommy did in fact "instruct Misty to LIE" and such instruction to lie is on tape, why would LE act on that by way of an expensive and dangerous search three months later?

I could certainly understand how LE might be fully disgusted with Tommy Croslin, and might after hearing his instructions for the lie determine he might be a good suspect. I do not understand how such a massive search ensued following this alleged conversation between Tommy and Misty where he is supposedly telling her how to LIE.

We all know now that the St. Johns story was a collossal lie, of course. But by the AH account, it sounds as if LE had identified it as a lie right away. Really, if this conversation happened enroute to jail back in January, why would LE wait so long to search if they believed any of it could be true? And if they had identified it as Tommy instructing Misty to lie, why search at all at any time?

If Tommy really did say anything like this it clearly makes him a good suspect. Even though his and Misty's account of what happened has been discredited, the fact that Tommy had to instruct Misty to lie at all speaks volumes. So did Tommy do this or not? Is such a conversation on tape or not?? Because it if is, that is some pretty good circumstancial evidence of involvement in Haleigh's demise, IMO.

I am just not convinced this happened in the way it is being reported. I am having a hard time connecting the dots here.

BBM

No krkrjx, it was NOT three months later. The "backseat" conversation took place on Friday, April 16, 2010, three days after the Shell Harbor search began. The article below was from April 21, 2010 with "last Friday night" being April 16.

The source tells me Misty Croslin shared the blockbuster news with her brother, Tommy Croslin last Friday night, after the handcuffed siblings were driven from nearby St. Augustine, Florida’s St. John’s County Jail—-separately—-where they await trial on drug trafficking charges.

Once they reached the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department in Palatka, detectives put Misty and Tommy Croslin in separate rooms for further interrogation, before allowing them to ride together back to jail in the next county. Sources tell me it was their first extended visit since both were arrested on drug charges three months ago.

http://www.artharris.com/2010/04/21...-tests-id-haleigh-cummings-remains/#more-4165

 

[krkrjx]

BBM

No krkrjx, it was NOT three months later. The "backseat" conversation took place on Friday, April 16, 2010, three days after the Shell Harbor search began. The article below was from April 21, 2010 with "last Friday night" being April 16.

TY for clarifying that. Now I am even more confused, because we were told that Misty had been spewing the Joe did it and took Haleigh away in a black bag while she crouched under a blanket story from the day she was arrested. At least that's what Fields has claimed.

I'm not sure Tommy instructed Misty to lie using this story but if he did, it was already done by the time they were arrested in January. This is not to say they did not talk with each other about it again in April in a room in Palatka or in a police cruiser enroute back to SJC, as is now being reported, but it does help explain why the search was conducted.

 

[titanfan62702]

TY for clarifying that. Now I am even more confused, because we were told that Misty had been spewing the Joe did it and took Haleigh away in a black bag while she crouched under a blanket story from the day she was arrested. At least that's what Fields has claimed.

I'm not sure Tommy instructed Misty to lie using this story but if he did, it was already done by the time they were arrested in January. This is not to say they did not talk with each other about it again in April in a room in Palatka or in a police cruiser enroute back to SJC, as is now being reported, but it does help explain why the search was conducted.

That's what I've been thinking all along -- Tommy & Misty (and maybe others) came up with stories when they lived together to be prepared. And Misty said specifically if they (LE) wanted something to get her out of jail, she'd give it to them --- never said it would be the truth.

 

[dodie20]

There have been revelations in this case over the past week that disgust me. Please consider the following.

(1)

Apparently Tommy Croslin prepped his sister, Misty, on what to say to support the lies that lead up to, and prompted, the Shell Harbor search last year.

AND THE POLICE CAPTURED THE CONVERSATION ON TAPE!



(2)

After his arrest, Tommy Croslin took a polygraph, failed miserably, and “THEY” DID NOT REVEAL THAT!



The central question becomes, WHO IS “THEY”?

Let’s go back to last year on April 16, 2010. The following is a word for word, verbatim, timeline of events contained in a press release from James S. Werter, attorney for Tommy Croslin.



-Under the guidance of this attorney and “I Solved The Case” Brown, Tommy Croslin took and miserably failed a polygraph 120 hours before the morning of Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

-This attorney met, and DISCUSSED THE RESULTS of the failed polygraph, with Tommy Croslin 72 hours before the morning of Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

-This attorney and “I Solved The Case” Brown met, and again DISCUSSED THE RESULTS of the failed polygraph, with Tommy Croslin less than 24 hours before the morning of Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

-After meeting with his client on two different occasions, to DISCUSS THE RESULTS of the failed polygraph, this attorney arranged an interview of Tommy Croslin, by numerous branches of local, state, and federal investigators approximately 14 hours before the morning of Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

-Under the guidance of this attorney and “I Solved The Case” Brown, Tommy Croslin and the entire group went to the Shell Harbor boat ramp less than 12 hours before the morning of Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

Even with a full and much discussed knowledge of their client’s story being a LIE, this attorney and his “investigator” played central roles in relaying his tale to Law Enforcement.

Why is this important? Do you really think the Shell Harbor search and it’s massive expense would have ever happened had the miserably failed polygraph results ever been revealed by “THEM”?

More importantly, THIS would have never happened:



That is beyond cruel.

My anger and disgust with this attorney, his “investigator”, and their lying client knows no bounds.

I assumed LE knew about the test failure, but had other reasons for the search? maybe Tommy verified something? IDK, but I'm not sure LE wasn't pulling Werter's strings. made him think they had a good working relationship, while they were 'setting' Tommy up. Lying wouldn't be illegal, I guess, as long as Tommy was giving his information willingly. MOO. After keeping up with this case, I've decided if I or one of my kids ever get into trouble, we're not trusting LE. too many tricks up their sleeves. MOO.

 

[azwriter]

I still go back to when that boat was burned shortly after Haleigh went missing (Please don't ask for link-lol). I think she was cremated, but not at a funeral home.

Unfortunately for Ron and the others, the heat created with the burning of a boat would not be hot enough to cremate a body to ashes. Crematories are specially designed with extreme high temperatures to reduce human bodies to nearly dust. Perhaps Haleigh's clothes were burned with the boat, but her body would not be destroyed with a boat fire. There would be something left for LE to use as evidence.

jmo

 

[lonetraveler]

I agree with much of what you have stated however I do not believe the incident occurred at 202 Green Lane. I'm also inclined to believe Ron C had full knowledge of everything that was going on that night.

For some reason I have always thought the actual removal of Haleigh's remains from wherever was carried out by a male and not a female.. I just can't imagine a woman being given that task.
In reference to Jr. I don't have a clue as to whether or not he was really there at the MH that entire night.
One thing for certain for me, I do not believe GGMS saw Haleigh alive and well that night like she has claimed she did...JMHOOTS

Just to add a comment on your post Emeralgem. I have always thought that GGMS brought Haleigh's favorite outfit over for Haleigh to wear. I think it just as likely that Haleigh was cremated as buried.

 

[suspicious1]

just throwing this out there, a thought i had while watching one of papa's videos in another thread.

Could GGS have a temper? She was mad b/c Ron let Misty back at the MH, so she went over there, that being her reason to visit the MH that fateful night was not to check on the kids but to really give Misty a piece of her mind, and maybe a pushing match between Granny and Misty, and HaLeigh got in between?

Let me know what you all think... Ron would protect his Grandmother, (she is the one who raised him) TN would protect her Mom. It would make sense that TN praises Misty to Heaven and back, and then turn on her. But why wouldn't Misty spill it once she was turned on? Maybe Ron is the reason Misty won't turn on them..IDK just brainstorming i guess...and i don't even think i believe this one....lol

Don't laugh, Lil Momma....I've entertained this theory too. First GMSykes went to drop off clothes and check on the kids per TN's request....and then we hear how mad she was that Misty was back over at the mh which may have been the reason for the visit....If that's the truth then when she got to the mh that evening she was already pizzed off and pull up and the kids are out on the porch eating with no shirts on?! That should have added fuel to the fire....So why would she leave the kids there with Misty? IMO, something happened during that visit.....which led to the 8:30 phone call between Ron and Misty....which then led Ron to call Tommy at 9pm...(maybe asking for help). jus thinking out loud.

 

[suspicious1]

I still go back to when that boat was burned shortly after Haleigh went missing (Please don't ask for link-lol). I think she was cremated, but not at a funeral home.

That boat thing has always bothered me. I don't believe that they cremated Haleigh's body there although I do believe that evidence may have been destroyed...which would probably contribute to the confidence in the players knowing no evidence will ever be found...jmo

 

[suspicious1]

There have been revelations in this case over the past week that disgust me. Please consider the following.

(1)

Apparently Tommy Croslin prepped his sister, Misty, on what to say to support the lies that lead up to, and prompted, the Shell Harbor search last year.

AND THE POLICE CAPTURED THE CONVERSATION ON TAPE!



(2)

After his arrest, Tommy Croslin took a polygraph, failed miserably, and “THEY” DID NOT REVEAL THAT!



The central question becomes, WHO IS “THEY”?

Let’s go back to last year on April 16, 2010. The following is a word for word, verbatim, timeline of events contained in a press release from James S. Werter, attorney for Tommy Croslin.



-Under the guidance of this attorney and “I Solved The Case” Brown, Tommy Croslin took and miserably failed a polygraph 120 hours before the morning of Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

-This attorney met, and DISCUSSED THE RESULTS of the failed polygraph, with Tommy Croslin 72 hours before the morning of Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

-This attorney and “I Solved The Case” Brown met, and again DISCUSSED THE RESULTS of the failed polygraph, with Tommy Croslin less than 24 hours before the morning of Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

-After meeting with his client on two different occasions, to DISCUSS THE RESULTS of the failed polygraph, this attorney arranged an interview of Tommy Croslin, by numerous branches of local, state, and federal investigators approximately 14 hours before the morning of Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

-Under the guidance of this attorney and “I Solved The Case” Brown, Tommy Croslin and the entire group went to the Shell Harbor boat ramp less than 12 hours before the morning of Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

Even with a full and much discussed knowledge of their client’s story being a LIE, this attorney and his “investigator” played central roles in relaying his tale to Law Enforcement.

Why is this important? Do you really think the Shell Harbor search and it’s massive expense would have ever happened had the miserably failed polygraph results ever been revealed by “THEM”?

More importantly, THIS would have never happened:



That is beyond cruel.

My anger and disgust with this attorney, his “investigator”, and their lying client knows no bounds.

Good post, Papa...I have a few questions for ya?

Where in the timeline does Teresa and Annette search occur?

Wasn't it the day before the actual search? Was it a Monday?

Didn't GMFlo tell Annette that Sunday before the actual search?

I just want to know if I have those facts correct?

 

[Concerned Papa]

Good post, Papa...I have a few questions for ya?

Where in the timeline does Teresa and Annette search occur?

Wasn't it the day before the actual search? Was it a Monday?

Didn't GMFlo tell Annette that Sunday before the actual search?

I just want to know if I have those facts correct?

Suspicious1, in addition to my answers below, I am posting a video snip I posted at YouTube from the NG show on April 22, 2010 when GGM Sykes had to change her initial statement after GMFlo spoke up and said she called GGM about the search.

-The "search" by TN and GGM Sykes was "all afternoon" before the official search began on Tuesday April 13, so yes, their "search" would have been on Monday April 12.

-Although I'm not 100% certain of when GMFlo called GGM Sykes, I'm reasonably sure the call would have been between Sunday April 11 and Monday morning, April 12.

Tommy called called GMFlo asking her to get in touch w/Lindsey to call Werter on Sunday 4/11 and GGM and TN were "searching" the next afternoon.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3-XNMMJ7U4

 

[Concerned Papa]

I assumed LE knew about the test failure, but had other reasons for the search? maybe Tommy verified something? IDK, but I'm not sure LE wasn't pulling Werter's strings. made him think they had a good working relationship, while they were 'setting' Tommy up. Lying wouldn't be illegal, I guess, as long as Tommy was giving his information willingly. MOO. After keeping up with this case, I've decided if I or one of my kids ever get into trouble, we're not trusting LE. too many tricks up their sleeves. MOO.

Dodie, based on Werter's own press release and timeline, Tommy took and failed a private polygraph exam just FIVE DAYS before the Shell Harbor search began on Tuesday, April 13.

According to Werter's own press release and timeline, he and his "investigator" were fully aware of Tommy's lies, meeting with him and discussing the test results TWO different times over the following four days.

According to Werter's own press release and time line, HE called LE and HE set up the meeting on Monday, April 12, NOT the other way around.

Based on Werter's own statements, it seems abundantly clear to me that an officer of the court, his "investigator", and their lying client sold a bogus bill of goods to LE to instigate the Shell Harbor search and it's extreme costs, both financial and emotional.

No matter how LE may have schmoozed Werter or tricked and lied to Tommy, how are they going to cause the chain of events described by Werter in his own press release and timeline?

IMO, even if Houdini was wearing a badge he couldn't pull that off.

 

[dodie20]

It seems to me that a lot was said by leaving it unsaid, in the drug sting & sentences. I think all of these people were targeted...accordingly. Misty got 25 years, so LE seems to blame her-if not for the muder, then something. Ron got 15 years & that was WITH a deal, so LE isn't letting him off the hook. Tommy got 15, but considering that LE pulled out all the stops to get that, I'd say they think he's the perp. Hope got 15, so it looks like LE either suspects her of helping in some way, or of harboring knowledge. DB also got 15 & imo, it looks like they suspect her of harboring knowledge. If that's the case, I wonder if they've tried to reinterview her. After hearing that they offered Misty immunity, she might be willing to talk as a 'team'. IDK, but somebody's gotta crack. enough of this bunk. Also, IMO, it looks like LE decided all of these people deserved to be punished for whatever roles they played, & they don't seem willing to budge. Ron's 15 year deal, & Misty's offer of immunity in the Haleigh case only, say volumes. MOO.

 

[lil momma]

Don't laugh, Lil Momma....I've entertained this theory too. First GMSykes went to drop off clothes and check on the kids per TN's request....and then we hear how mad she was that Misty was back over at the mh which may have been the reason for the visit....If that's the truth then when she got to the mh that evening she was already pizzed off and pull up and the kids are out on the porch eating with no shirts on?! That should have added fuel to the fire....So why would she leave the kids there with Misty? IMO, something happened during that visit.....which led to the 8:30 phone call between Ron and Misty....which then led Ron to call Tommy at 9pm...(maybe asking for help). jus thinking out loud.

No laughing here suspicious!

there is just so much that COULD have happened, anything is possible, especially with this bunch!

 

[Emeralgem]

Don't laugh, Lil Momma....I've entertained this theory too. First GMSykes went to drop off clothes and check on the kids per TN's request....and then we hear how mad she was that Misty was back over at the mh which may have been the reason for the visit....If that's the truth then when she got to the mh that evening she was already pizzed off and pull up and the kids are out on the porch eating with no shirts on?! That should have added fuel to the fire....So why would she leave the kids there with Misty? IMO, something happened during that visit.....which led to the 8:30 phone call between Ron and Misty....which then led Ron to call Tommy at 9pm...(maybe asking for help). jus thinking out loud.

All HELL would have broke loose IF I had driven up and seen my grandchildren eating dinner on a cold front porch at dark thirty and them not wearing any tops.
I would have also sent Misty packing and taken the children home with me.

One thing for certain I would have not been praisng her to high heaven in an interview a week or so later or telling reporters ..Thats a CROCK, you don't know her, I do.. She takes good care of those children, feeds them bathes them and every morning when Haleigh goes to school, she looks like she just stepped out of a beauty shop.

IMO.. The visit didn't happen like she claims it did.. I suspect IF she was there at any time that night it was after Haleigh's demise. She never saw Haleigh alive and well or half naked eating green beans on any screened-in front porch.
IMO Her story is the one thats a CROCK...JMHO

 

[Chablis]

All HELL would have broke loose IF I had driven up and seen my grandchildren eating dinner on a cold front porch at dark thirty and them not wearing any tops.
I would have also sent Misty packing and taken the children home with me.

One thing for certain I would have not been praisng her to high heaven in an interview a week or so later or telling reporters ..Thats a CROCK, you don't know her, I do.. She takes good care of those children, feeds them bathes them and every morning when Haleigh goes to school, she looks like she just stepped out of a beauty shop.

IMO.. The visit didn't happen like she claims it did.. I suspect IF she was there at any time that night it was after Haleigh's demise. She never saw Haleigh alive and well or half naked eating green beans on any screened-in front porch.
IMO Her story is the one thats a CROCK...JMHO

You are right, it is a crock. She was there and the kids were not eating, that is for sure, imo. She was there with someone of assistance for Haleigh, this is why I think that Misty went into that bedroom with Junior while everyone was attending to Haleigh and deciding what to do, Misty was there to deal with Junior, because someone had to, they wouldnt just let him wander and watch and be able to tell anyone what happened.

Then after Ron does not move back in the trailer, because hes not in the normal paternal mindset that there is hope Haleigh is going to come back to that trailer, if she had been stole, his hope was lost right away, and who does he move in with? Annette. I think if anyone was keeping their enemies close in this story it could be her. jmo

 

[Chablis]

Just thinking of this, I really dont think any of the Cummings/Sykes fam would dispose of one of their own in any terrible manner, via the garbage or waters. I would have to think this was all a terrible accident and everyone panicked and they were all pretty sad. They would know the dumpsters would be checked, the landfills were checked. I think she is somewhere familiar to the family, or Ronald, its going to be some family favorite hunting spot or something like that. Rons eagerness to help TES search tells me any place they had charted out was not where Haleigh was.

 

[lil momma]

IOW, if Ron was made aware, that Misty was offered immunity. I wonder how he felt about that.