General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[Lanie]

OMG!

A child's head would not have to be "slammed into the floor" to cause serious injury. Again, OMG!

Nor would a child have to be "attacked" by a parent to sustain serious injury, to the point of emotional/psychological changes to such a degree that they might be noticeable at a glance.

I am not trying to imply that Haleigh was beaten, slammed, or attacked by her father. I am saying, though, that I do believe Ron was angry that day (at Misty) and that I do believe his kids sometimes took the brunt of his anger.

Even a simple slap or a shove can have a domino effect. A slap can lead to further injury if a child falls, hits a wall or a door frame, a piece of furniture, whatever. This would be an unintentional consequence of the slap, but it is no less a consequence of the slap.

Seems I am the one who didn't get my point across well. My post was trying to say that until we know what happened, a slap or two or a push from Daddy to Daughter is not something that some of us can automatically rule out just because someone claims to have seen Haleigh eating and talking not long before she disappeared into thin air.

OMG!!! right back at you.

So are you saying a light tap to the head is all it takes to kill someone? I agree to disagree, because IMO a slap or shove applied with enough force to send a child into a wall or floor to hit their head hard enough to cause a brain bleed is assault, or an attack. Even if it didn't cause a brain bleed. Can you imagine how you would feel if someone did that to you? Would you not be upset or even a little shaken? I think it would be even more traumatic for a little child, but maybe that's just me.

 

[dodie20]

theory...Misty picked Haleigh up from the bus stop, argued with Ron over WBG, (maybe he called while she was gone?), so she left. She called TN, asking her to babysit, she said no, Ron went to work, leaving the kids alone. After cooling off a little, he calls Misty, asks her to get to the trailer, & they argue. She turns her phone off. He calls Tommy, looking for her. She finally relents, but not until after whatever happened, happened. Ron covers, because he left the kids alone, (even if Misty left after him, he knew they were home alone). Misty covers because she's told it was her fault for 'abandoning' the kids & not getting there sooner...especially if she told Ron on the phone that she wouldn't be long. TN covers because she refused to babysit. Annette's clean laundry story was either to alibi Ron, or Misty hadn't left yet. & Tommy covers because, well he was in on whatever happened. I've been stuck on the bus stop, & the conversation between Misty & Linsey...but maybe the reason Ron & Misty are covering, is because of something that happened on the way back to the trailer. maybe Misty did something that ties in. MOO.

 

[Lanie]

Misty had just come off a multi day binger. Ron & his mom both knew it. & even if by some miracle,that was the 1st time, she wasn't fit to babysit a dog. I remember early on, Crystal tried to bring up what she'd heard about it, & she just about had her head bit off. but she was right. IDK what kind of drugs Misty did on a regular basis, but I do remember her claiming to have smoked a joint with Tommy, that night. I don't think that would render a babysitter helpless, but it still wasn't a good thing. I never really believed that joint story, & couldn't decide if she was 'holding back', or if the whole thing was a lie...just to convince LE that she was there. Tommy later 'admitted' to being so high on xanax, that he passed in & out of consciousness. So, was she on xanax too, or lying? I lean towards lying, but don't know what that means.

Yes, Misty had just come off of a weekend binge, and while that seems to raise major red flags to you and me, do you really think it's going to even blip the radar of a grandmother who apparently had little to no interest in her own children when they were growing up and a man who has at least a couple of drug arrests on his record?

I wouldn't let any of these people anywhere near my children, but from what has come out about them, I don't think it's a giant leap to assume February 9, 2009, was not the first time by far the adult responsible for the care of these children was under the influence and/or suffering the after effects or drugs and/or alcohol.

 

[nomoresorrow]

(B/RedBM)

Yes, Misty had just come off of a weekend binge, and while that seems to raise major red flags to you and me, do you really think it's going to even blip the radar of a grandmother who apparently had little to no interest in her own children when they were growing up and a man who has at least a couple of drug arrests on his record?

I wouldn't let any of these people anywhere near my children, but from what has come out about them, I don't think it's a giant leap to assume February 9, 2009, was not the first time by far the adult responsible for the care of these children was under the influence and/or suffering the after effects or drugs and/or alcohol.

ITA Lanie, and as I said in the very beginning, IMO, it was never a question of "if" but "when" and, sadly, it was also never a question of "who" but "which one" - so many (TOO MANY!) possibilities... And lets not forget that there is an additional entity that benefits from this case lingering unanswered and that's the Department of Children & Families in Florida. God knows they've received alot of criticism (and rightly so) about their lack of response and/or altogether inaction in other cases - they certainly wouldn't want to have to answer to yet another preventable tragedy. JMO ~

 

[Whisperer]

Does LE have all the phone records? If they did, wouldn't they have a good idea of what went down in that MH? Were the perps clever enough to not use the phone at all. If clever is the key here, it limits the possibilities. Where did these clever perps hide Haleigh is what I want to know?

Something is amiss with these phone records..doesn't add up.

 

[Whisperer]

Misty may have harmed Haleigh out of jealousy/anger. RC may have harmed Haliegh out of anger/frustration. Whatever happened rc is covering for misty big time. That means that whatever happened will reflect on him even if he didn't directly cause her death.

I do not see a motive for JO or Tommy to have harmed Haliegh. Is there a sexual component? If so, we have not been privy to it.

If misty did not harm Haleigh, then she knows who did. What is her motive for remaining silent? I can only think of undying love for ronald or a severe loyalty to a family member. So far she has not shown any love for family as she has thrown them all(except timmy) under the bus for two years. However, her family has never done this to her. They have remained loyal and supportive...no matter what she has accused them of doing to her. She accused TC of incest yet he had no response and said he worries about her. Difficult dynamics going on here.

Timmy and Ronald have remained free of any association with Haleigh's demise by Misty.

 

[Whisperer]

RC is the big question mark in this case. He lies so much, it makes it difficult to see the forest through all the trees. He lied about the fight with JO. He said it never happened and appeared to be disgusted with those that spoke about it. He's good. He was caught on tape talking about crushing JO's hands for taking his gun and teaching him a lesson to not steal. I have to wonder if it was really over a gun.

I always thought there was a fight but it was over misty and JO may have taken the gun from RC to make sure he didn't use it on her. RC likes to wave his gun around and even put it in his mouth or threaten others..TM and gfs have related this about him. So, maybe the gun was hidden till he calmed down.

Now, if rc had a gun on Feb 9/10, Y wasn't he outside using it, looking for the perp who took his daughter. NOW, that would have been a good reason to carry his weapon...yet, nothing. He said it was in the MH, but was it? Or was it still hidden in the culvert on tyler?

I say rc left the story about the fight out because it would reflect "bad" on him. He may have been Under the Influence and didn't want it out to the public for scrutiny. Everything about this guy screams of self-love and paranoia. I have always been torn about what part he played, if any..due to his lying and strange behavior after Haleigh went missing. Is he protecting himself and misty for self-preservation of his perceived erroneous image, and is that more important than Haleigh? Could be, because that is how RC reasons/thinks.

His lies and behavior will always make him a prime suspect in the murder of his daughter.

 

[lonetraveler]

Why would Misty not come forward now and admit that she had been set up, or that she was not there when Haleigh met her demise but arrived later to find Haleigh either deceased or missing? About the only thing Misty has ever said that never changed was that she did not go out that night, that she was there with the kids the whole time. If that isn't true, why would she not admit that now? I can't help but think that Misty has nothing to lose and possibly something to gain by admitting if she wasn't there, and nothing to gain but much to lose by continuing to deny it.

I know Misty is not very bright but I believe she does have the mental capacity to have figured out at some point over the past two years if she had been set up.

Well, I've listened to the LVA given to Misty and the publicized Poly and she just rattles off the story of the day's events in a very rehearsed way. Way too much detail. However, during the emotional jail tapes of Misty talking with her father, she mentions more than once that LE refuses to listen to anything that she trys to tell them about Ron. Tommy stated something to the same effect. We don't know what it was that Misty was trying to tell them concerning Ron. She could have been trying to tell the truth for once and LE wouldn't hear of it. This "true" story maybe didn't fit LE's story, so they wouldn't let her tell it. I have questioned many times why we have not heard this story, the one with Ron in it, that LE refused to hear. I guess I just have an enquiring mind, LOL.

 

[lonetraveler]

RC is the big question mark in this case. He lies so much, it makes it difficult to see the forest through all the trees. He lied about the fight with JO. He said it never happened and appeared to be disgusted with those that spoke about it. He's good. He was caught on tape talking about crushing JO's hands for taking his gun and teaching him a lesson to not steal. I have to wonder if it was really over a gun.

I always thought there was a fight but it was over misty and JO may have taken the gun from RC to make sure he didn't use it on her. RC likes to wave his gun around and even put it in his mouth or threaten others..TM and gfs have related this about him. So, maybe the gun was hidden till he calmed down.

Now, if rc had a gun on Feb 9/10, Y wasn't he outside using it, looking for the perp who took his daughter. NOW, that would have been a good reason to carry his weapon...yet, nothing. He said it was in the MH, but was it? Or was it still hidden in the culvert on tyler?I say rc left the story about the fight out because it would reflect "bad" on him. He may have been Under the Influence and didn't want it out to the public for scrutiny. Everything about this guy screams of self-love and paranoia. I have always been torn about what part he played, if any..due to his lying and strange behavior after Haleigh went missing. Is he protecting himself and misty for self-preservation of his perceived erroneous image, and is that more important than Haleigh? Could be, because that is how RC reasons/thinks.

His lies and behavior will always make him a prime suspect in the murder of his daughter.

BBM: There have been many versions of the gun story. One of the stories was that the gun was retrieved from the culvert later on the same day that Haleigh was reported missing. You are right, if the gun was in the MH I think that an innocent father would have grabbed it and looked everywhere for the "kidnapper" who just supposedly "stole" his daughter.

 

[Whisperer]

I am convinced that the only gun that wasn't removed from the home was either hidden by rc on Feb 9 so the police wouldn't take it or was taken from him by someone so he wouldn't use it on anyone.

Had he used it that day? We will never know. We do know that after he was arrested and prior to sentencing, a family member brought in a machine type gun to LE. Y didn't that person come forward before and who was it?

 

[Emeralgem]

Well, I've listened to the LVA given to Misty and the publicized Poly and she just rattles off the story of the day's events in a very rehearsed way. Way too much detail. However, during the emotional jail tapes of Misty talking with her father, she mentions more than once that LE refuses to listen to anything that she trys to tell them about Ron. Tommy stated something to the same effect. We don't know what it was that Misty was trying to tell them concerning Ron. She could have been trying to tell the truth for once and LE wouldn't hear of it. This "true" story maybe didn't fit LE's story, so they wouldn't let her tell it. I have questioned many times why we have not heard this story, the one with Ron in it, that LE refused to hear. I guess I just have an enquiring mind, LOL.

BBM I have questioned that also considering they allowed ALL that other BS to be revealed that made absolutely no sense to anyone.

 

[Whisperer]

The entire case is controlled by LE n more ways than just criminal. LE must have a very big influence in the area. Upon researching, it is odd that there are many many counties in the State of Florida. To me, this means LE of different districts, maybe conflicts, don't know. Does that give the LE lots of control over residents, press, visitors, media? I called a media one time and was told they are backing LE and will not investigate rc or his work hours because Greenwood made that statement in 2009 and that is what they are standing by. I found this very odd.

 

[Whisperer]

In my limited reasoning, I find it unusual that a town police can control so much of what gets out there. I am very leary of these small towns and the LE that run them. Why is it so difficult to solve crimes in these areas? It has to be a fealr of police or a fear of something else. The culture is so different that I am lost.

 

[Emeralgem]

The entire case is controlled by LE n more ways than just criminal. LE must have a very big influence in the area. Upon researching, it is odd that there are many many counties in the State of Florida. To me, this means LE of different districts, maybe conflicts, don't know. Does that give the LE lots of control over residents, press, visitors, media? I called a media one time and was told they are backing LE and will not investigate rc or his work hours because Greenwood made that statement in 2009 and that is what they are standing by. I found this very odd.

My understanding is LE and news media have a "good" working relationship IF "good" is what you can refer to it as being..Nothing is reported or investigated unless LE gives the OK to do so...

 

[lonetraveler]

LE have investigated and jailed nearly every member of the "Key" to the case's family. They have turned every stone that they could turn over for the Croslins and jailed the "Key" and the "Key's" brother, mother and father and have come up with absolutely nothing. LE has examined the infamous "Van" that was mysteriously used by someone and damaged that night and came up with nothing. LE has traveled as far as MA to questions the "Key's family members" and came up with nothing. Traveled to TN to question the "Key's cousin" and came up with nothing.

LE has also traveled to the maternal side of the family, conducted LVA and dug up a head horse and searched the surrounding area and came up with nothing. All righty then! Isn't it about time that the Cummings side of the family is put under the same scrutiny as the "Key's" family and Haleigh's mother?

I suggest that LE get their collective heads together and look at this case from another angle. I have not seen nor heard of any residences, yards, vehicles, etc. being investigated, searched nor any of the Cumming's side of the family, besides Ron, taking a LDT or LVA. Why not? All I have been able to find is that they were offered one, nowhere have I read that Teresa, Annette, Crystal or any uncles or Ron's father actually took a LDT or LVA. Strange, isn't it? Or maybe I'm missing something here.:waitasec: But it looks to me that only half of the investigation has been done. When is the rest of the investigation going to happen? Why haven't we heard anything about the other "family member" who was with GGMS that evening? You know, the nurse in the family who was riding with GGMS when she supposedly checked on the kids (per Teresa's comment) and delivered laundry. Where is she? And where is the **** AC man? Did he disappear into the horizon? Never to be seen nor heard from again? For two years? WTH? There is just way too much focus being put on just one side of the equation in this case. You would think that after nothing came to fruition, then LE would have turned the focus on the other side of the fence and scrutinized the Cumming's side. Instead, arrests are made for five people, and I will admit, two of them are from the Cummings family tree. But, does LE expect the public to just accept that the investigation is over for the Cumming's family because two of them are in prison? I don't think so.

 

[lonetraveler]

My understanding is LE and news media have a "good" working relationship IF "good" is what you can refer to it as being..Nothing is reported or investigated unless LE gives the OK to do so...

I think you and Whisperer have nailed it on the head on the media's coverage or maybe I need to say non-coverage of LE's non-investigation of Ron and family.:crazy:

 

[Whisperer]

Maybe the Croslins are considered "Outsiders" in their small County. Maybe it's a case of LE protecting their own.

 

[Whisperer]

This all may come down to some Politics in the community and them protecting their own residents. I am going to do more research but it is very odd for a State to have sooooo many Counties. We have 58 in California and they have 68 in Florida. Look at the difference in size! Lots of money going out to support these very small populated Counties!! I thought it was strange that no one was out talking to media at the time. They are either living in fear of LE or living in fear of getting physically hurt by somebody. It can't be that almost every residence has a phobia against cameras, could it?

 

[Whisperer]

My understanding is LE and news media have a "good" working relationship IF "good" is what you can refer to it as being..Nothing is reported or investigated unless LE gives the OK to do so...

Apparently, you are correct and that seems to be the case!

That is the exact experience I had when I made that phonecall. They did acknowlege that Greenwood did NOT make that statement recently, even though they wrote it up that he did. But when I went on to PDM and rc, it was off limits...they stand by LE. They hung up.

 

[Emeralgem]

LE have investigated and jailed nearly every member of the "Key" to the case's family. They have turned every stone that they could turn over for the Croslins and jailed the "Key" and the "Key's" brother, mother and father and have come up with absolutely nothing. LE has examined the infamous "Van" that was mysteriously used by someone and damaged that night and came up with nothing. LE has traveled as far as MA to questions the "Key's family members" and came up with nothing. Traveled to TN to question the "Key's cousin" and came up with nothing.

LE has also traveled to the maternal side of the family, conducted LVA and dug up a head horse and searched the surrounding area and came up with nothing. All righty then! Isn't it about time that the Cummings side of the family is put under the same scrutiny as the "Key's" family and Haleigh's mother?

I suggest that LE get their collective heads together and look at this case from another angle. I have not seen nor heard of any residences, yards, vehicles, etc. being investigated, searched nor any of the Cumming's side of the family, besides Ron, taking a LDT or LVA. Why not? All I have been able to find is that they were offered one, nowhere have I read that Teresa, Annette, Crystal or any uncles or Ron's father actually took a LDT or LVA. Strange, isn't it? Or maybe I'm missing something here.:waitasec: But it looks to me that only half of the investigation has been done. When is the rest of the investigation going to happen? Why haven't we heard anything about the other "family member" who was with GGMS that evening? You know, the nurse in the family who was riding with GGMS when she supposedly checked on the kids (per Teresa's comment) and delivered laundry. Where is she? And where is the **** AC man? Did he disappear into the horizon? Never to be seen nor heard from again? For two years? WTH? There is just way too much focus being put on just one side of the equation in this case. You would think that after nothing came to fruition, then LE would have turned the focus on the other side of the fence and scrutinized the Cumming's side. Instead, arrests are made for five people, and I will admit, two of them are from the Cummings family tree. But, does LE expect the public to just accept that the investigation is over for the Cumming's family because two of them are in prison? I don't think so.

BBM. I'm in total agreement...And I am not accepting the investigation is over just because Hope and Ron C were locked up for 15 years.
IT'S PAST TIME. The Cummings/ Neves/ Sykes clan need some mega pressure applied to them NOW.
And that goes for KB too.. HELL-O she was on the scene when Ron C and Misty were arrested and drove away. They didn't even bother to round her up and haul her in...WTH? JMHOOTS