General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[Whisperer]

What is the AC man so scared about? What is Traylor afraid of? Why are they resisting interviews, that is assuming they have been asked?

 

[Whisperer]

:waitasec:
Misty keeps losing her cell phones. The one from 9feb09 didn't work well. She left one in KBs car. Where is it? She gets assaulted and has one taken..WTH? Is she just unlucky holding onto a cell or is it something else? All kinds of good info could be on those phones.

 

[Whisperer]

I want to know where TN was all day on the 9th. Where was Jeff H that day and were they together. And also where was CC? They all lived 80 miles away. It is a fact that rita lane was not her official residence. So did she drive in from Lake County after rc called or was she already there for another reason? Wondering minds want to know.

If rc was as upset as I think he was, he would not have hesitated to pick up and phone momma...when did he first call her is the question that needs an answer.

 

[Lanie]

MOO

I don't think the media is involved, along with the Putnam County Sheriff's Department, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and other unnamed Law Enforcement agencies, in covering up for Ronald Cummings, or Teresa Neves, or even Anette Sikes.

MOO

 

[Emeralgem]

MOO

I don't think the media is involved, along with the Putnam County Sheriff's Department, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and other unnamed Law Enforcement agencies, in covering up for Ronald Cummings, or Teresa Neves, or even Anette Sikes.

MOO

IMHO.. If none of these agencies are covering up for this family IT"S TIME to apply some real pressure to them then. IMO.. It's past time. There hasn't been any pressure apllied to Ron C or anyone in his family by PCSO in two long years. And IMHO thats pathetic especially since Greenwood has publically stated since day one it has been apparent family members have not been telling the truth..JMHO

 

[Baznme]

krk, I understand what you are saying, however, it doesn't work for me. Remember the stories about the mother bear? I was in that situation once with my children when she came charging. Believe me their little feet never touched the ground as I raced them to safety. That's what mothers do; the bear and the human.

I don't care how mean Ron's eyes look, it doesn't matter. You, as a mother are their protector. I doesn't matter how depressed you are. You are their saviour - they are your blessings.

Even though this is not appropriate to this mystery, I like the words by Edgar Allan Poe "loved with a loved that was more than a love."

4Jacy - it may not work for you but are you basing that on your "theory" or experience? I've been where Crystal S. was with RC and you do what you have to do to survive "for the kids". Not much sense in letting him go overboard and take out the whole family to prove he's the "big man". It happens more than people realize. She had custody of the kids. He took them. Snuck them back to Florida and pretended he was taking them for a visit. He just never brought them back. She had already been threatened with her life by RC and she knew he wasn't kidding. So, to say that the "mama bear" instinct would take over and you would run with the kids is the only answer is not a one size fits all solution. Unless you've been in those shoes, you don't know what you would do........from one minute to the next.

 

[bessie]

What is the AC man so scared about? What is Traylor afraid of? Why are they resisting interviews, that is assuming they have been asked?

What I wouldn't give for five minutes with that AC guy. He doesn't have all the answers, but he sure could narrow down the possibilities.

 

[bessie]

I have to agree with you, Baz. Fortunately, I've never been in that situation, but I've known others who were. While my instincts run akin to 4Jacy's, I do appreciate that the options are sometimes limited. What were Crystal's options other than to abduct her own children and go underground. Some women do make that choice, God love them, but it's a tough life for the mother and the children.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

IIRC, Misty said she was out of the mobile home but just on the front porch, and only long enough to have a smoke.

As for Crystal not doing anything to save her kids, it's pretty easy for us to say we would have acted, regardless of the courts or the threats of the father, etc., but viewing a situation from the outside and actually living in it are two very different animals.

My assessment of Crystal is that she suffers from depression. She may or may not have been doing drugs at the time but if she indeed suffers from clinical depression, she may have been powerless to act. I recall that she did plead with the courts to help save her babies from their reckless dad, and the court ignored her pleas. That's a pretty big slap in the face, and puts a person with little self-esteem to begin with in an even worse frame of mind.

We can sit in our comfy homes and speak of what we would do in Crystal's situation but I will say that Ronald Cummings is most definitely not a person I would want gunning after me! So, unless Crystal had somewhere to run where there were people she could trust to help her when he came after her, she may have had no choices, or at least believed she didn't. Crystal wanted her babies safe but I think she knew no matter what she did he was going to take them back...and maybe even convince a judge to strip her of visitation rights.

4Jacy...Look into that dude's mean eyes and it won't take you long to realize you would definitely not want to run into him in a dark alley. I have had a hard time with research and going back over this case mainly because I almost become ill whenever I have to look at RC's photos. Honestly, I have no problem at all hearing in my mind Ron threatening Crystal that if she made waves he would throw her body off the Dunn's Creek Bridge where it would never be found, because that's a great place to dump a body.

Great post K. and you are right on the money about Crystal, in my opinion. I was a counselor at a battered women's shelter for a few years, and saw so many women like Crystal. She seems to me to have absolutely NO self esteem. These women feel completely powerless against their abuser. They just give up. And when their abuser is someone like Ron...He can be pretty scarey to these young women..It is hard for some of us to relate. I was also in an abusive relationship when I was young, but I had grown up in a very supportive home, and had some self esteem. I got out relatively easily compared to others. I am very thankful for my upbringing and my family. I wish Crystal well.

 

[twall]

so, TN is claiming that Misty doesn't know anything? What about her being a witch? what about, 'do you think she's gonna talk'? (paraphrased). what about those LDTs? unbelievable. If I take out the tests failures, I too wouldn't think Misty knows much. What kind of verification do we have, that she actually failed? That LVA bugs me...mainly because of the questions she was asked. I know she was lying, when talking about Crystal being involved, that was obvious, but I believed a lot of what she had to say. There was a point, when asked about who all she thought was invoved, where she 'accidentally', added an extra number, & it looked like she was about to form the letter R, (for Ron?), & then corrected herself. 'Accidentally', letting things almost slip, seems like a really risky thing to do, (perfect for the immature?) ...but in her defense, if she was lying, she was smooth. It wasn't the same flow as her other lies. My overall feeling, after watching the video, was that Misty wasn't sure of what happened, but had ideas, & wasn't willing to exclude Ron from her suspicions. The things that were obvious lies, were the details about what led up to that night. I tried to find the video last night, but it had been removed. of couse...ughhh...

Dodie, here are the links to the raw videos of the tests Misty took that Tim Miller arranged. They have not been removed.

http://www.wftv.com/video/20605182/index.html

http://www.wftv.com/video/20601690/index.html

 

[twall]

This all may come down to some Politics in the community and them protecting their own residents. I am going to do more research but it is very odd for a State to have sooooo many Counties. We have 58 in California and they have 68 in Florida. Look at the difference in size! Lots of money going out to support these very small populated Counties!! I thought it was strange that no one was out talking to media at the time. They are either living in fear of LE or living in fear of getting physically hurt by somebody. It can't be that almost every residence has a phobia against cameras, could it?

BBM-Indiana has 92 counties and is smaller than Florida!!

 

[Concerned Papa]

This all may come down to some Politics in the community and them protecting their own residents. I am going to do more research but it is very odd for a State to have sooooo many Counties. We have 58 in California and they have 68 in Florida. Look at the difference in size! Lots of money going out to support these very small populated Counties!! I thought it was strange that no one was out talking to media at the time. They are either living in fear of LE or living in fear of getting physically hurt by somebody. It can't be that almost every residence has a phobia against cameras, could it?

LOL, Georgia has 159 counties!

 

[dodie20]

I just watched the hypnosis tape, & although I don't think Misty was under, a few things stuck out, during the pre interview. Misty said she was being told that she may know the person who took Haleigh & she said that she didn't know who took her, & never heard that they were coming to take Haleigh or 'nothing like that'...so, it looks like cops might've been suspecting a planned abduction. She also said that Jr got up from the bed, & she just went back to sleep...because he did that sometimes. This was an all around weird exchange. They just let him wander around at night? That information was so disjointed, that she must've had a reason for adding it. Maybe cops knew that Jr had been up? But right after saying that, her voice got real quivery. From what I can tell, it seems like something might have happened during that time-which she didn't want to talk about. fom 10 til 3. Her call to Ron is confusing. She said she called him to tell him the back door was open, & then she noticed Haleigh gone. Then she searches, then Ron gets home & tells her to call 911. ok. Did she tell him while on the phone that Haleigh was missing? I wonder if this was before or after his cigarette stop? & why didn't he call 911 from his car? even if Haleigh wasn't missing, they needed the cops. & if she called him, why did he at some point, claim to have asked her why she was up? (& I remember the 'why are you up?' story coming after some others...like him getting home to a sleeping Misty & a gone Haileigh). But even if he didn't answer the phone, he knew she was up, so why be surprised? I guess the phone record is why Ron said the cops were questioning the timing of his ride home. Misty also mentioned that Ron's Aunt Lisa came by with AS. Whatever happened to this witness? Later in the tape, she claims to have asked Ron if he had Haileigh or if he knew where she was. weird. This really makes it sound like, she herself had just gotten there, or he had taken her out, late at night before. I need to listen agai, but that thing is almost an hour long.

 

[claudicici]

I don't know where to put this.But I was wondering about the Sunshine law in Florida.How come we're not getting to see any doc dumps like in the Casey Anthony case? I realize it would be about the drug cases not Hayleigh's murder since noone got arrested for that but I'm sure a lot of stuff could be released that could give a lot of insight?

 

[dodie20]

Dodie, here are the links to the raw videos of the tests Misty took that Tim Miller arranged. They have not been removed.

http://www.wftv.com/video/20605182/index.html

http://www.wftv.com/video/20601690/index.html

Thanks for these links. I had never watched the hypnosis video, mainly because I had read that it was unsuccessful, & I had never seen the LVA in its entirety. interesting stuff.

 

[dodie20]

ok, I just watched the LVA & I'm feeling a lot of different emotions, right now. 1st of all, the interviewer wasn't very good & didn't seem prepared. Secondly, Misty was a wreck. I saw real trauma there & I know I'm gonna be ridiculed, but I really don't think she hurt Haleigh. Is she hiding something? probably, but I'm not sure it's a lot. When she talked about her brother, she seemed genuinely upset, (hiccuping & gulping excessively), & what a lot of people see as her throwing him under the bus, I see as fear. She mentions that the cops think Tommy had something to do with this, & how they keep saying things about him, & I don't think she made that up. Also, when she was talking about her dad not fitting into their vehicle, she got really quivery...but she was also talking about Joe, so I'm not sure what set her off. After watching this tape, a few things jump out at me. Her saying she had 4 suspects, & then changing it to 3 & her 'almost forming' the letter R. & I'm still surprised that the interviewer asked about Ron. & Misty did supposedly show deception on him. But, I'm not sure how good this guy is. & to Ron's benefit, Misty may have showed deception for other reasons. She said she didn't know why she had doubt in her mind. The interviewer should've taken that a little further & said if he detected decption on her not knowing why she had doubt. Overall, this test made me feel Misty's anguish & made me mad about her being hounded, so fiercely. I'm gonna watch it again later. Now that I know what to expect, maybe it won't make me so emotional.

 

[Whisperer]

It really is a shame none of us got the story. Hardy said in an interview that Jr was NOT sleeping in the bedroom with misty. Misty (in the tape) stated she didn't know people were on their way there over there (sic). Strange and loose talk.l then we hear her talk about blood in the van..eeks! She is difficult to understand. No one seems to be able to pin here down.

 

[Whisperer]

I wonder about Haleigh's gold jewelry. Any missing? Knowing TN and her feelings for some things, she would seem to be the type that would hold Haliegh's gold necklace that says, "Daddy's Little Girl". She would love to show that. Is that the item that was missing from the trailer, the item TN spoke of , that should always be available for her. Where is that necklace? Is it with Haleigh like misty told somebody? Did she go back and get that necklace and put it around her neck before she was taken from the house? If so, wouldn't that indicate that it was very important for her to wear it. I don't think misty would care about that if Haleigh was not with a close family member at the time...mo.

 

[dodie20]

It really is a shame none of us got the story. Hardy said in an interview that Jr was NOT sleeping in the bedroom with misty. Misty (in the tape) stated she didn't know people were on their way there over there (sic). Strange and loose talk.l then we hear her talk about blood in the van..eeks! She is difficult to understand. No one seems to be able to pin here down.

& going on about blankets, pee & laundry. I read somewhere, (a link on this site, I think), that said mentioning laundry, is a sign of sex abuse. I don't know how that correlation can be made, but who knows...the mind, especially the subconscious mind, is a tricky thing.

 

[Whisperer]

That tape was once again edited, Dodie. I wish we had the outakes. I am concerned about the deer blood, the gun in the mouth, which didn't happen, according to her but she found it important enough to bring it up.

Two years ago, didn't LE say they thought there may be four people involved?