General theory thread and motives rehashed #4

[lonetraveler]

Something I've done in this case, is used the process of elimination. Who would cover for whom? (That's my burning question?) Who has lost the most...relative to presumed innocence. I think Ron would cover for Misty, but only up to a point. and never for Tommy. I don't think Tommy would cover for anybody. I think Misty might initially cover for Ron, but those days are long gone. I do think she would cover for Tommy. She went along with his JO story, afterall. They've all lost their freedom and I'd think the innocent ones would be racing to the DA's office...but they're not. So, either they're all culpable, (which is almost unbelievable), or they've given up hope? Ron lost his freedom and custody of Jr. His aunt, (who he seemed close to), died, and his grandmother isn't getting any younger. Misty lost her freedom. That's about it. Tommy lost his freedom, his wife divorced him, and I doubt she takes the kids for visits. When I look at this, I have to wonder why Ron, if he's innocent, hasn't talked more. But he did make a deal to tell the truth, so he's probably talking some. Misty doesn't seem to be suffering much, so that could explain why she's not talking. She was reportedly offered ammunity, but obviously still hasn't taken it. Tommy on the other hand, has lost the most, IMO. Is protecting his sister worth 15 years and the loss of his wife and kids? IMO, he's the most self centered of the 3. He wasn't worried about his kids not having food, just his bail, so IMO, he's not the type to sacrifice for anyone. As far as I know, he hasn't been offered any deals. Another thing I take into consideration when comparing Misty and Tommy is a murder sentence. On one hand, Misty was a 17 year old girl, who was the primary caregiver of 2 kids...1 sick and the other not much more than a baby. She was in a rotten situation and if she killed Haleigh, she could blame stress. She wouldn't be in any more trouble than she is right now. Wouldn't Tommy see this logic? If she's guilty, he could tell his story, let her serve the 25 years she's stuck with anyway, and be on his merry way.Telling this truth wouldn't hurt Misty and it would help him. But on the other hand, if Tommy's guilty, that's a whole other ball of wax. What would be Misty's motivation to tell this truth? She would still be stuck with 25 years and her brother would be looking at the death penalty. MOO.

I tried to pull up the terms of the "deal" that was offered to Misty and couldn't find it in a hurry but IIRC Misty had to lead LE to Haleigh's body in order to get the "deal" and she still had to pull the twenty-five years for the drug dealing. As I've said many times IMO, Misty does not know where Haleigh's body is and can never lead LE to her so the "deal" wasn't exactly a "deal" where she could meet the terms. It would be nice, IMO, if LE had asked another question, one that she might could give an answer to........like, who killed Haleigh? Who was involved that night? Who helped cover it up? Where was Ron?..................something that could actually help solve this case.

 

[Flossie JMO]

JMO I am sure they asked her those questions. JMO

 

[cobiabanks]

I tried to pull up the terms of the "deal" that was offered to Misty and couldn't find it in a hurry but IIRC Misty had to lead LE to Haleigh's body in order to get the "deal" and she still had to pull the twenty-five years for the drug dealing. As I've said many times IMO, Misty does not know where Haleigh's body is and can never lead LE to her so the "deal" wasn't exactly a "deal" where she could meet the terms. It would be nice, IMO, if LE had asked another question, one that she might could give an answer to........like, who killed Haleigh? Who was involved that night? Who helped cover it up? Where was Ron?..................something that could actually help solve this case.

I'm new here and don't want to step on any toes just yet. But all three were offered a get out of jail free card if they could have produced the body. As I am aware, that offer still stands today.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I don't believe all 3 had that offer.

 

[Emeralgem]

I'm new here and don't want to step on any toes just yet. But all three were offered a get out of jail free card if they could have produced the body. As I am aware, that offer still stands today.

Welcome and do tell...TYIA

 

[Flossie JMO]

It's a difficult case imo, and rumors abound and become fact. JME

 

[dodie20]

I'm new here and don't want to step on any toes just yet. But all three were offered a get out of jail free card if they could have produced the body. As I am aware, that offer still stands today.

as far as I know, nobody has been offered a get out of jail free card. Even Misty's supposed offer, didn't affect her drug charges, I believe. Ron was given a reduced sentence and Tommy asked for leniency for his cooperation and help, but the opposite happened.

 

[Whisperer]

Any facts we have are conflicted with three different stories. All we know is Haleigh is gone and presumed dead. She allegedly disappeared on Feb 9th. I can't even say if that is true at this point.

No one can describe any clothes she was wearing. So are we to assume she was naked? An amber alert with no clothing description..okiedokiethen. After two years, the family should know exactly what clothes are missing but no on has stepped forth to say. No one, including the father will give time he left work..in statements he uses "such and such time" Some case...Hah?

Pretty obvious LE doesn't want the public involved. If they have NO idea of the clothing she was wearing, and no one will say, I will conclude she was naked and they don't want to say that and we are supposed to stay out of it.

 

[dodie20]

Out of curiosity, I did some pretty serious reading on trauma, shock, and their after effects. I was mainly looking for signs that I could compare to Misty. What really surprised me is that a lot of the victim of crime traits, fit Ron. Him refusing to live in the trailer, is a classic trait...so it seems, based on his behavior, he probably wasn't the perp, but knew a terrible crime had taken place and felt victimized. Disassociating from certain triggers is common. I wonder if this also had something to do with him abandoning his job. Also, when the JO story came out, instead of acting surprised and angry with Misty, (according to the story, she knew all along what had happened to Haleigh), he seemed matter of fact and supportive. Is this story close to something he already suspected? In the earliest interviews, Misty IMO, acted dazed...like she had suffered a trauma and was coming out of psychological shock. I still think this. Ron's gm talked about how this had changed her and how imossible she was to reach. This is also a classic reaction to a traumatic event...and interestingly enough, one of the articles I read, used finding a dead child as an example. I think it was FH who talked about how much JO had changed since all of this. Not all changes in personality can be attributed to guilt. People who have been victimized, especially those who have experienced something traumatic, change too. I couldn't find any interviews with Tommy from the early days, or any references to a change in his personality, but I witnessed the downward, self destructive spiral. After he was arrested, he wasted away before our eyes. I guess some of the same traits that point to trauma and victimization, can also be attributed to guilt, but I do think it's interesting to go back and watch some of the 1st interviews. JMO.

 

[Flossie JMO]

While I pray HaLeigh is alive I can see Misty coming home and finding her deceased. I do wonder where the story Flo told about Misty hitting her in the head with a piece of wood came from, I can only guess Tommy? JMO

I can see people wanting to believe the Joe story, easier to think was him than people they knew so well. JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

Out of curiosity, I did some pretty serious reading on trauma, shock, and their after effects. I was mainly looking for signs that I could compare to Misty. What really surprised me is that a lot of the victim of crime traits, fit Ron. Him refusing to live in the trailer, is a classic trait...so it seems, based on his behavior, he probably wasn't the perp, but knew a terrible crime had taken place and felt victimized. Disassociating from certain triggers is common. I wonder if this also had something to do with him abandoning his job. Also, when the JO story came out, instead of acting surprised and angry with Misty, (according to the story, she knew all along what had happened to Haleigh), he seemed matter of fact and supportive. Is this story close to something he already suspected? In the earliest interviews, Misty IMO, acted dazed...like she had suffered a trauma and was coming out of psychological shock. I still think this. Ron's gm talked about how this had changed her and how imossible she was to reach. This is also a classic reaction to a traumatic event...and interestingly enough, one of the articles I read, used finding a dead child as an example. I think it was FH who talked about how much JO had changed since all of this. Not all changes in personality can be attributed to guilt. People who have been victimized, especially those who have experienced something traumatic, change too. I couldn't find any interviews with Tommy from the early days, or any references to a change in his personality, but I witnessed the downward, self destructive spiral. After he was arrested, he wasted away before our eyes. I guess some of the same traits that point to trauma and victimization, can also be attributed to guilt, but I do think it's interesting to go back and watch some of the 1st interviews. JMO.

In reference to your post concerning Tommy: I posted yesterday that I would like to see a prison interview with Tommy. The only link we have to Tommy are the jail phone calls. I hope a reporter gets an interview with him.

Yeah, it is interesting to watch the earlier videos and interviews now that a bit of information has been published and we now know that they are in prison. Tommy did appear to be affected in a major way about something and I suspect that if he wasn't involved with Haleigh's death that he at the least saw her body. Have you seen any videos at all of Timmy? He has been a ghost in all this mess. I have a feeling that he witnessed what Tommy witnessed. :twocents:

 

[lonetraveler]

JMO I am sure they asked her those questions. JMO

I'm sure they asked those questions too, but not as part of the deal. IMO, if they could actually ask a question she could answer that could help LE in solving this case and if there was an incentive to take some years off of the 25 year drug sentence, then this investigation might take a turn in the right direction. I mean, LE has stated that she was the "Key" so many times that they sound like a broken record, then they should offer her at the least, the same deal as they offered Ron. I think it peculiar that the best "deal" wasn't offered to the "Key" who is "suppose" to know everything.........but instead offered to Ron, who professes to know nothing at all.

 

[dodie20]

In reference to your post concerning Tommy: I posted yesterday that I would like to see a prison interview with Tommy. The only link we have to Tommy are the jail phone calls. I hope a reporter gets an interview with him.

Yeah, it is interesting to watch the earlier videos and interviews now that a bit of information has been published and we now know that they are in prison. Tommy did appear to be affected in a major way about something and I suspect that if he wasn't involved with Haleigh's death that he at the least saw her body. Have you seen any videos at all of Timmy? He has been a ghost in all this mess. I have a feeling that he witnessed what Tommy witnessed. :twocents:

I haven't seen any videos of TC but I've seen plenty of CC. She seems to have been everywhere. There's a news clip of some kind of awareness event where the announcer is talking about Misty's engagement. Anyway, I wish I could read lips, because there's a little snippet of Misty and Tommy where she puts her hands on his chest. He looks surprised and she looks disgusted and says a few words. He was still pretty hefty and looks a mess and is drinking a mountain dew, I think. It blows my mind that he was even there. Anyway, their body language is interesting. JMO.

 

[cobiabanks]

as far as I know, nobody has been offered a get out of jail free card. Even Misty's supposed offer, didn't affect her drug charges, I believe. Ron was given a reduced sentence and Tommy asked for leniency for his cooperation and help, but the opposite happened.

I guess we have different sources, but of course, the get out of jail free card did apply to the drug charges. Those were/are the only charges of significance against any of the three of them. Tommy's charge on the gun was reduced to a misdemeanor and he was sentenced to time served. So the drug charges is all they had on them and any one of them could have had them dropped (they still could make a deal today if they would/could) if they could produce a story about Haleigh's disappearance and some corroborating evidence to substantiate their story. Tommy almost got it with the Shell Harbor story but the PCSO didn't find anything (that they've released) that corroborated his story. Bad luck or a bad lie?

 

[dodie20]

I guess we have different sources, but of course, the get out of jail free card did apply to the drug charges. Those were/are the only charges of significance against any of the three of them. Tommy's charge on the gun was reduced to a misdemeanor and he was sentenced to time served. So the drug charges is all they had on them and any one of them could have had them dropped (they still could make a deal today if they would/could) if they could produce a story about Haleigh's disappearance and some corroborating evidence to substantiate their story. Tommy almost got it with the Shell Harbor story but the PCSO didn't find anything (that they've released) that corroborated his story. Bad luck or a bad lie?

I'm not sure how much was a lie, but I feel strongly it wasn't the whole truth. Haleigh may have been dumped there, but I doubt very seriously it went down like Tommy claimed. JO was younger, a lot smaller, not from the area...but we're supposed to believe that Tommy stood by trembling while JO attacked his sister and then killed and disposed of a child? Tommy was pretty beefy at the time and those were his stomping grounds. I remember reading that in minimum mandatories, there's a clause set aside for helping solve another crime. So I agree that if somebody talks, he/she could be offered a reduction in the drug sentence. and I hope somebody finally does. JMO

 

[dodie20]

I guess we have different sources, but of course, the get out of jail free card did apply to the drug charges. Those were/are the only charges of significance against any of the three of them. Tommy's charge on the gun was reduced to a misdemeanor and he was sentenced to time served. So the drug charges is all they had on them and any one of them could have had them dropped (they still could make a deal today if they would/could) if they could produce a story about Haleigh's disappearance and some corroborating evidence to substantiate their story. Tommy almost got it with the Shell Harbor story but the PCSO didn't find anything (that they've released) that corroborated his story. Bad luck or a bad lie?

I guess that's one way of looking at it, but if you think about future charges related to Haleigh, then the drug charges aren't the only charges of significance. From what I read, Misty was offered ammunity only on future Haleigh charges. Her drug charges, stood as is. It would depend on her culpability on whether that was a good offer. In Misty's last interview, she did say that she was essentially offered a walk out of jail free card, but IDK. She may have misunderstood... or maybe not. What I read earlier might have been wrong. My thinking on all of this is mixed. I don't normally like deals, but if Misty didn't kill Haleigh and didn't enjoy watching somebody else do it, or didn't hand her over to be killed, then I guess I'd be ok with a get out of jail deal. But if she's guilty of one of these things, I'd still be ok with no Haleigh charges in exchange for the truth...but still serve her drug sentence. Honestly, I don't think she's as evil as all that, but I'm just trying to look at the different scenarios. JMO.

 

[cobiabanks]

I guess that's one way of looking at it, but if you think about future charges related to Haleigh, then the drug charges aren't the only charges of significance. From what I read, Misty was offered ammunity only on future Haleigh charges. Her drug charges, stood as is. It would depend on her culpability on whether that was a good offer. In Misty's last interview, she did say that she was essentially offered a walk out of jail free card, but IDK. She may have misunderstood... or maybe not. What I read earlier might have been wrong. My thinking on all of this is mixed. I don't normally like deals, but if Misty didn't kill Haleigh and didn't enjoy watching somebody else do it, or didn't hand her over to be killed, then I guess I'd be ok with a get out of jail deal. But if she's guilty of one of these things, I'd still be ok with no Haleigh charges in exchange for the truth...but still serve her drug sentence. Honestly, I don't think she's as evil as all that, but I'm just trying to look at the different scenarios. JMO.

Well, again, I don't want to start an argument, and there's no reason for you to believe me, but I was at Misty's sentencing hearing and prior to the hearing (it started late because of this) the PCSO and the States Attorney's office met with Misty and her attorney Robert Fields and again offered to drop the drug charges and have the St. Johns County drug charges reduced to zip/zero if she would be forthcoming as to what happened that night. She just shook her head and said she'd told them all she knew about the night Haleigh disappeared. I know the above for a fact, believe me or not, it's true.

 

[Emeralgem]

Well, again, I don't want to start an argument, and there's no reason for you to believe me, but I was at Misty's sentencing hearing and prior to the hearing (it started late because of this) the PCSO and the States Attorney's office met with Misty and her attorney Robert Fields and again offered to drop the drug charges and have the St. Johns County drug charges reduced to zip/zero if she would be forthcoming as to what happened that night. She just shook her head and said she'd told them all she knew about the night Haleigh disappeared. I know the above for a fact, believe me or not, it's true.

Just wondering IF you were physically present and on the scene when this deal was being offered? And are you certain the deal put on the table was for what really happened that night or was the deal offered IF she could lead LE or tell then where Haleigh's remains are located?

 

[Whisperer]

Well, again, I don't want to start an argument, and there's no reason for you to believe me, but I was at Misty's sentencing hearing and prior to the hearing (it started late because of this) the PCSO and the States Attorney's office met with Misty and her attorney Robert Fields and again offered to drop the drug charges and have the St. Johns County drug charges reduced to zip/zero if she would be forthcoming as to what happened that night. She just shook her head and said she'd told them all she knew about the night Haleigh disappeared. I know the above for a fact, believe me or not, it's true.

I had not seen this post before....Welcome Aboard! Glad to have you join us.

 

[cobiabanks]

Just wondering IF you were physically present and on the scene when this deal was being offered? And are you certain the deal put on the table was for what really happened that night or was the deal offered IF she could lead LE or tell then where Haleigh's remains are located?

The deal would of necessity included that she or Tommy provide something that would corroborate their testimony. Their testimony alone, not being worth squat since Misty especially, but Tommy also, had told other stories before.

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