General theory thread and motives rehashed #5

[Emeralgem]

Why did Tommy and Ron become pals after Aug 6 2009?

How could they have become friends at that time... Thats when the fight occurred at GGMS' house and Misty took out a RO on Tommy... Thats also when TN arranged to have Misty take that LVA and Misty threw Tommy under the bus... JMHO...

 

[GER]

Why did Tommy and Ron become pals after Aug 6 2009?

TC/LC/TC/CC and RC were all relatively good friends, visiting one another, etc. prior to HaLeigh's disappearance, from my understanding. It was after the conflict between the Croslin's at AS's home that, that quickly disintegrated to the point where RC wasn't welcomed around the Croslin's and visa versa.

Even after HaLeigh's disappearance, they all remained friendly...after the marriage, RC more or less (in my opinion and observance) kept MC isolated from her family as much as possible.

After the divorce and the following reversal of the restraining order against TC from MC that it was complete no one was friends any longer. Except that MC was slipping around and still seeing RC. They were together after divorce more than just a little.

 

[titanfan62702]

bbm 1, I don't think it is, at all

bbm2, I do too, but I believe the witnesses that said Ron picked her up who have chosen wisely to remain out of the press,and I believe LE.

JMO

You can believe anyone you choose. So can LE. That doesn't make it true.

 

[titanfan62702]

Try putting Ronald's name in place of Joe's name in the part about Joe putting a gun in Tommy's face and making him help in moving Haleigh's body. I truly believe that Ronald left work that night and conned Tommy into coming over to the Mh where he then stuck a gun to Tommy's head and coerced him into helping.

Fits well too. Joe seems to be a substitute for a number of people. I believe "Joe" was really Hope.

However, I'm not sure the location is right.

 

[Chablis]

How could they have become friends at that time... Thats when the fight occurred at GGMS' house and Misty took out a RO on Tommy... Thats also when TN arranged to have Misty take that LVA and Misty threw Tommy under the bus... JMHO...

People have said after the fight and after the arrest and Rat, after that Tommy and Ron became "friends" when they never were before. Now color me skeptical, but if a duo shared an experience where they killed and disposed of a child, it wouldnt take 6 months to become chummy, especially after Tommy called the cops on Ron. Why provoke someone who is already psycho or has information to put you away forever, because lets not act like Ron isnt capable of framing anyone.

jmo

 

[lil momma]

Ron's "flying colors" statement as told to Nancy Grace on 02-11-2009
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html

Ron and Misty talked to Greta van Susteren about polygraphs on 02-13-2009http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

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SO on 2-11-09 ROn seems to have known he passed his poly, and Ron knows Misty passed hers too...

But on 02-13-2009- Greta thought they took the poly that day and Ron stated he took it yesterday....which would have been on 02/12/2009.


Could be nothing, it could be something IDK.........

 

[Chablis]

SO on 2-11-09 ROn seems to have known he passed his poly, and Ron knows Misty passed hers too...

But on 02-13-2009- Greta thought they took the poly that day and Ron stated he took it yesterday....which would have been on 02/12/2009.


Could be nothing, it could be something IDK.........

I bet hes had MULTIPLE polys. If they were so pleased with the first, there wouldnt be a second, or third. Or he lied. Imagine that!! jmo

 

[Nonni Brenda]

The fact PCSO did not and has not done anything to apply any real pressure to Ronald Cummings or anyone in his family, I'm not satisfied with LE managing to successfully capture him and send him to jail for 15 years on drug trafficking charges...
Ron C being responsible for Haleigh's demise should be the reason he is behind bars..
Hope S, Misty C and Tommy C are all involved in a cover up and obstruction of justice, and deserve to be in jail too BUT they are not the masterminds behind WHY Haleigh's remains have never been found....
IMHO.. There are members of Ron C's family who are the main orchestrators of the coverup and are fully aware of where Haleigh's remains are located.. Those people are not sitting in jail, nor have they had any real pressure applied to them by LE or PCSO...
.And until the others are charged, I'm not satisfied with LE managing to find a way to set up and charge Ron C, Misty, Tommy or Hope ..JMHO

I haven't been posting much lately, because I just can't come up with anything I haven't already said. But Em, I totally agree with all you have said here. There is not a good reason why LE has not put more pressure on RC, TN, and AS for whatever happened to Haliegh. If fact, I just don't see them wanting any witnesses who may implicated those people to come forward. The witnesses who have said something about them have been shushed-up, and what they have said swept under the rug. For the life of me I can't understand that. I'm so glad everyone here is still remembering Haleigh, and I'll also be here until she is found. Just don't know what else to post...

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I bet hes had MULTIPLE polys. If they were so pleased with the first, there wouldnt be a second, or third. Or he lied. Imagine that!! jmo

Ron lying, say it ain't so....LOL

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Unless someone actually confesses and LE proves their tale to be true, I'll continue to believe that Tommy was brought into the crime after the fact. I believe that when Ronald called Tommy, he wanted Tommy to come over and help with the cleanup and most likely promised him guns and drugs. I do believe that Tommy solicited help from his brother. From Tommy's actions since the case began, I do believe that he saw a dead Haleigh. I still believe that Misty was at the Magnolia address and was only involved at the very end and then I think that she was brought over to the MH just prior to the 911 call . I in no way believe that anyone in the Cummings side of the family would entrust Haleigh's body to the Croslins. At the very most, the Croslins may have been coerced into taking Haleigh's body to the dumpster to be picked up later by someone in the Cummings family. Tommy was probably told that Misty had killed Haleigh. The Croslins don't know the truth or they would have told it by now. They were set up to take the fall. Ronald never thought in a million years that he would be arrested for drug dealing. He most likely had a friend in the LE department who had been willing to look the other way whenever he was involved. He got way too cocky and arrogant and whoever his friend was before was unwilling to help him out any longer since the case was being scrutinized so closely. Ron's luck ran out.

I totally agree, Lone. I think the Croslins were set up from the very beginning. They never knew what hit them. Wasn't it Tommy that told that Ron had asked him to go check on the kids, and in the beginning, didn't Ron say he never did that? Why would Ron not want that to come out unless he was setting Tommy up? Tommy saying that put Ron in the mix, which Ron didn't want. I think that's how it went, but my memory isn't as good as it used to be. Somebody feel free to correct me if i am wrong.:innocent:

 

[Levi]

What is so frustrating about this is rc's behavior. He never puts the blame on JO. He clearly defends himself by saying "There was no fight". He has a perfect perp here...yet rc doesn't go for it. He keeps JO out of the picture. Why? Even from his jail cell..when he had the opportunity, he never claimed or yelled, "Go get Joe O.", not once. He offered up Crystal and he offered up misty as the two who may have taken Haleigh. He couldn't decide which one....he did this talking to tn from his drug arrest.

Why did rc not even mention JO to his mother while they were talking about who has Haleigh.

Ronald and his redneck buddies were planning on going to TN and track down Joe Overstreet, but everytime they would get ready to do it, Ronald would back out.

His threats of killing the person who took his daughter were fake and staged... Because he knows what happened and was covering things up.

 

[Levi]

I haven't been posting much lately, because I just can't come up with anything I haven't already said. But Em, I totally agree with all you have said here. There is not a good reason why LE has not put more pressure on RC, TN, and AS for whatever happened to Haliegh. If fact, I just don't see them wanting any witnesses who may implicated those people to come forward. The witnesses who have said something about them have been shushed-up, and what they have said swept under the rug. For the life of me I can't understand that. I'm so glad everyone here is still remembering Haleigh, and I'll also be here until she is found. Just don't know what else to post...

That just isn't true Nonni, they have put plenty of pressure on Ron's family. Ron is serving 15 yrs in jail, his cousin is serving 15 yrs in jail... Timothy Holmseth and Cobra even freaked out once because the big bad LE were yelling at Teresa Neves and Cobra thought she was suicidal.

What do you want them to do? Waterboard Ron, Teresa, and Annette?

LE even told CF News 13 that RON and Misty know more than what they are saying.

It just isn't true that Ron's family has any pull within law enforcement, If I recall wasn't TERESA NEVES even calling on the Governor of Florida to take the case away from the PCSO and give it to the FBI?

 

[Levi]

I totally agree, Lone. I think the Croslins were set up from the very beginning. They never knew what hit them. Wasn't it Tommy that told that Ron had asked him to go check on the kids, and in the beginning, didn't Ron say he never did that? Why would Ron not want that to come out unless he was setting Tommy up? Tommy saying that put Ron in the mix, which Ron didn't want. I think that's how it went, but my memory isn't as good as it used to be. Somebody feel free to correct me if i am wrong.:innocent:

I don't agree with that at all. There isn't any set up going on, Ron isn't that smart.

Instead we have two families, that are criminals and involved in drugs, and are covering up what happened. Simple as that. Neither Ron or Misty's families are "victims" in this.

 

[Levi]

bbm, ITA, and I don't think Tommy or Misty would cover for Ron, and I don't think he would cover for either of them JMO

My questions are what did Tommy do? what does Misty know? and will we or HaLeigh's family ever know? Will HaLeigh ever be found? Will LE ever be able to prove it or lay charges?

I don't think Joe was involved. JMO

No they won't cover for each other, but they will cover for themselves.

Each had a hand in the crime and if they rat out one of their co horts, the other will rat out what the other did.

I bet Ron already ratted someone out. I bet LE already has his story locked down in that proffer. When there is enough evidence collected to bring charges (they need more than Ron's words to charge), I predict we will see Ron knew what happened and covered up, and he made a deal to testify against his co horts in exchange for immunity.

Unfortunately for Ron, I bet Ron lied, and his immunity will end up being null and void and he will go down with the rest! LE has Ron right where they want him, and I bet they had something to pressure him into the proffer... :great:

What LE did was pressure Ron into talking, he talked. They then went out and investigated his claims and either confirmed them, supplemented them, or found they were crap and are looking further at his involvement.

 

[Levi]

"Our" issues with the judges decision to give Ron his kids and order Crystal to pay child support matter not.
It was within the law and the judges rights to do so.
End of story <shrug>

I don't know how that judge is sleeping at night, he left the children with Ron and now look what happened. WAY TO GO JUDGE! Awesome ruling! :banghead:

 

[Levi]

The courts are over burdened and the judges are pushed to their limits, IMO. Thus, the judge went with what was the easiest and in my opinion, wrong ruling without asking the right questions and looking over all the documents presented to him. His dog in this fight is there. He has final say and he's the top dog! I personally take offense to your nonchalant manner of posting on this topic.

Well for some it isn't about Haleigh, but more about protecting Ron.

 

[Levi]

:twocents: I apologize if it was my posts.
Sometime I would rather use the cute icons you provide instead of being rude when I read the extent some will go to make Ron guilty of harming HaLeigh.

Or the extent that LAW ENFORCEMENT will go to... "Investigators said they believe the people connected to the case, including Croslin and Haleigh's father, have not told everything they know about what happened..." http://www.cfnews13.com/article/new...s-think-family-hasnt-told-whole-story?cid=rss

 

[Levi]

I disagree.
That would be grounds to have the ruling overturned and HaLeigh's maternal side did nothing to change it.
Nothing.
Crystal even refused another chance.

I'm sorry if you don't like my style. <shrug>
Is it because I refuse to fall into lock-step with the majority of posters' opinions?
I never will, based on what I have heard from LE.

You must not be listening to law enforcement ENOUGH because they say Ron resisted questioning, and that he ALONG with Misty, know more about what happened...

 

[Levi]

None of us know what is relevant in this case, or not, until it is solved.
No matter how much we "think" we know or "hear".

I'm not a "fringe follower" of anyone.
I have a mind of my own that will not be changed with innuendo and gossip
from those who "think".... lol :twocents:

I'll keep my focus on the people LE claim resisted questioning, people that lawyered up, and people that are not telling all they know. RON AND MISTY. You can keep looking under every nook and cranny, and run after distractions in Baker County, I'll keep my focus on people that law enforcement have outed as knowing more and not cooperating.

 

[Levi]

Ron will be charged with premeditated murder. This will be a DP case. This is way worse than the CA trial. jmo

I think in the end Misty will be charged with felony murder for drugging the child (a felony) which resulted in the death of Haleigh. Additionally Ron and Tommy are linked via telephone calls and they got rid of the body.

My prediction is that Ron and Tommy will be charged with accessory after the fact, and felony gross abuse of a corpse, for feeding Haleigh's body to the gators.

The way Ron went into detail about Haleigh being consumed by gators, shows he knows so much about what gators do... because he FED HER BODY TO THEM!

The way Ron and Misty used the dead rat to scare Tommy, shows me he isn't the main perp in this. He was most likely so high, he can't even give a clear account of what happened...