George Floyd death / Derek Chauvin trial - Sidebar week 1

[dixiegirl1035]

I think that fact that he offered a plea for 3rd degree shortly after the crime indicates he knew full well what he did.

Nonwithstanding, that will NEVER is NOT allowed to be considered by the jury. MOO. Ditto for the millions of dollars settlement . NOT to be considered in deliberations. MOO

 

[Tom_Servo]

it is not impossible that some jurors heard about the plea deal here in Minneapolis well before they got a jury summons. It is something I cannot get out of my mind and would really be ironic if he walks (don't think he will)

The state should have pushed to take that deal. He's not walking but getting beyond 3rd degree seems unlikely. It looks to me like manslaughter more than anything else. Seems Minnesota has some rather slack murder definitions that require far more intent which looks difficult to prove in this case.

 

[Lilibet]

I think that fact that he offered a plea for 3rd degree shortly after the crime indicates he knew full well what he did.

Exactly! Chauvin offered this deal within a few days of Floyd’s death before the investigation was even complete because he knew the evidence against him was devastating, according to previously cited articles. Because Chauvin attached conditions involving the federal government (serve time in a federal prison and no prosecution for a civil rights crime), the Justice Department had to get involved and denied the deal. IMO Chauvin attaching favorable conditions to his offer displays a degree of arrogance...I mean, who is he to bargain with the federal government?!

 

[margarita25]

Yep - I’m not sure how Thao will get out of any culpability for this. I think Lane and Keung have a chance but I hope Thao doesn’t. He was a straight up bully to the crowd and showed no concern for GF at all.

True. But as we can see in the video, his back was to GF and the others the whole time, as GF was being killed, so I anticipate he will receive a lesser sentence wrt his culpability.

 

[Marysmith]

True. But as we can see in the video, his back was to GF and the others the whole time, as GF was being killed, so I anticipate he will receive a lesser sentence wrt his culpability.

Never thought of that actually...

 

[turaj]

Exactly! Chauvin offered this deal within a few days of Floyd’s death before the investigation was even complete because he knew the evidence against him was devastating, according to previously cited articles. Because Chauvin attached conditions involving the federal government (serve time in a federal prison and no prosecution for a civil rights crime), the Justice Department had to get involved and denied the deal. IMO Chauvin attaching favorable conditions to his offer displays a degree of arrogance...I mean, who is he to bargain with the federal government?!

most reports of those that know him at all indicate a very stand offish "arrogant" guy and would expect he would think he could bargain his way out of this case.

 

[turaj]

True. But as we can see in the video, his back was to GF and the others the whole time, as GF was being killed, so I anticipate he will receive a lesser sentence wrt his culpability.

He is hanging his hat on "crowd control" and "never touching Floyd"...he repeated both during the interview. He thinks because he physically never touched him he will be cleared...I am sure privately he is 100% throwing Chauvin under the bus but we will never hear that.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

The state should have pushed to take that deal. He's not walking but getting beyond 3rd degree seems unlikely. It looks to me like manslaughter more than anything else. Seems Minnesota has some rather slack murder definitions that require far more intent which looks difficult to prove in this case.

I get where you are coming from.

But juxtapose with this perhaps.

That the entire WORLD was in an uproar. Riots on most continents for George.

As with many cases followed here, the family just wants to out the TRUTH.. and bring to light all involved to sanitize with sunshine.

MOO

Prosecutors MOO will ask family, even perhaps if federal case? their opinion

Obvious, at least to me, that the world wants the truth, whatever it may expose... to come out through a jury trial. If it was settled, the world nor the family knows the evidence.

100%, 1,000% if I was a family member I don't care that his potential 10 years is more than the lower charges.

I would NOT CARE.

I personally, would say (can't do as would be against TOS) "... it"

MOO MOO This needs the sun to shine on the entire dang culture in addition to the 4.

MOO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

True. But as we can see in the video, his back was to GF and the others the whole time, as GF was being killed, so I anticipate he will receive a lesser sentence wrt his culpability.

August, dear grasshopper. August.

(Said in my best RIP David Carradine voice.. for us old folks)

 

[SouthAussie]

There is an article here by Duke Law Center for Science and Justice that says that, at the time of George's death, the neck restraint was considered non-deadly force by the MPD.

The Minnesota statutes say that neck restraint is deadly force (but am still looking for dates with regard to this statute), but the police manual did not classify it as such. Am wondering if the police manual did not align with the actual law, or if there was an exception for the police.


16 Apr 2012 (MPD manual - not the actual legislation)

Choke Hold: Deadly force option. Defined as applying direct pressure on a person’s trachea or airway (front of the neck), blocking or obstructing the airway (04/16/12)

Neck Restraint: Non-deadly force option. Defined as compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck). Only sworn employees who have received training from the MPD Training Unit are authorized to use neck restraints. The MPD authorizes two types of neck restraints: Conscious Neck Restraint and Unconscious Neck Restraint. (04/16/12)

Conscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with intent to control, and not to render the subject unconscious, by only applying light to moderate pressure. (04/16/12)

Unconscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure. (04/16/12)

Use of Force Policy in Minneapolis

 

[Rocky1]

I think that fact that he offered a plea for 3rd degree shortly after the crime indicates he knew full well what he did.

You may be right, but IMO, he may have offered a plea deal because the nation was burning, he had mobs of people standing out in front of his house threatening to kill him, and although I have nothing to base this on, my guess is his wife was probably receiving death threats as well.
He may/may not have felt at the time he would be safer in prison.
I think it's fair to say he was being coerced where as a judge would not have been allowed to accept his plea deal. I think that's why AG Barr didn't allow it.

Guilty Pleas.

 

[SouthAussie]

Since the beginning of 2015, officers from the Minneapolis Police Department have rendered people unconscious with neck restraints 44 times.

Minneapolis police used neck restraints at least 237 times during that span, and in 16 percent of the incidents the suspects and other individuals lost consciousness

Almost half of the people who lost consciousness were injured, according to the reports, which do not spell out the severity of those injuries.

Minneapolis police made 44 people unconscious with neck restraints

 

[girlhasnoname]

My 2 cents......DC will be going to prison to serve a 2nd degree murder charge. This case sickens me on so many levels, and I am changed forever after having watched the video and the police officer's body cams of this murder. Yes, he killed George Floyd IMO.

#Bethechange

 

[margarita25]

So I’m too lazy to google right now, are the other officers out on bail? Or are they in jail? I’m assuming Chauvin has been in jail this whole time?

 

[Lilibet]

So I’m too lazy to google right now, are the other officers out on bail? Or are they in jail? I’m assuming Chauvin has been in jail this whole time?

No Chauvin bailed out in October 2020. The other three are also out on bail.
Former Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin Is Released On $1 Million Bond

3rd ex-police officer charged in George Floyd's death posts bail

 

[margarita25]

No Chauvin bailed out in October 2020. The other three are also out on bail.
Former Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin Is Released On $1 Million Bond

3rd ex-police officer charged in George Floyd's death posts bail

Thanks L.

When do we expect the rest of their trials? Tia.

 

[Lilibet]

Thanks L.

When do we expect the rest of their trials? Tia.

My friend Google is silent on that subject.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Thanks L.

When do we expect the rest of their trials? Tia.

The other former officers, Thomas Lane, J. Kueng and Tou Thao are charged with aiding and abetting second-degree murder and manslaughter. They are expected to go to trial in August.

Mar. 31 updates for the murder trial of Derek Chauvin Day 3

 

[Lilibet]

The other former officers, Thomas Lane, J. Kueng and Tou Thao are charged with aiding and abetting second-degree murder and manslaughter. They are expected to go to trial in August.

Mar. 31 updates for the murder trial of Derek Chauvin Day 3

Thanks! Google held out on me.

 

[turaj]

My friend Google is silent on that subject.

I think the rookies will settle before any court case. They are well represented and in my opinion far less guilty than Chauvin. Doubt they will be back on the streets but can probably at some point in the near future resume their lives. Thao on the other hand may go to court...he needs to do prison time.