George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General Discussion Thread #8

[Karmady]

Yes it does, I watch snapped all the time and every single woman who killed her husband in cold blood who claims it was "self defense" nine times out of ten called the police 1st or immediately after. If you are going to use self defense to cover your butt it's common sense you'd call the police.

Did the women on Snapped kill their husbands outdoors with lots of disinterested potential witnesses within yards of the killing? If not, I don't think the same rationale applies. jmo

 

[DIBSY]

TM was not killed in cold blood. You are talking a bout a TV show.

IYO? That isn't fact. Because IF he had been killed in the heat of the moment, it would be another charge altogether. There is nothing to show or prove that he wasn't dead set on killing the victim, pun intended. A vital witness, Chris Serino testified that as GZ was following TM he was " profiling" and much more in the line of H A T E...

Trayvon Martin murder trial: Sanford cop testifies George Zimmerman kept following teen, profiling him

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-murder-trial-article-1.1388147#ixzz2Y03HoAJW

IMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

So zimmermans blood is on the gun..

Sorry that works squarely with what he said..

This goes for the defense for me.
OMO

 

[Isabelle]

Not unless they scratched them.

Not necessarily, you wouldn't need to scratch and draw blood to pick up oil and dead skin cells.

 

[missmazzy]

I own what everyone calls "hoodies" and Ive had them for years- They've been making jackets and sweat shirts with hoods for a very long time but in our modern world we have once again associated something like a hooded jacket with a person or an idea of sorts- all of this labeling has to stop- don't you think? MOO

I wear them too. I just thought that a 6 by 4 foot exhibit (wait...looks like 2) was obnoxious.

 

[Donnareit]

I do not believe GZ went out to kill anyone that night and I also believe that TM wasn't looking for a fight. However, GZ shot TM and TM died because of it. Something lead up to that and had GZ not been following TM, this would not have happened. I keep going back to this: TM RAN, TWICE from GZ. Once TM ran the 1st time, GZ should NOT have pursued him, IMO. We don't know who started this "fight" first, no one saw it.

:goodpost:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

IYO? That isn't fact. Because IF he had been killed in the heat of the moment, it would be another charge altogether. There is nothing to show or prove that he wasn't dead set on killing the victim, pun intended. A vital witness, Chris Serino testified that as GZ was following TM he was " profiling" and much more in the line of H A T E...



IMO

It is reversed.. There is nothing to Prove that he was out to hurt TM at all. Not at all.

OMO

 

[Love Never Fails]

I own what everyone calls "hoodies" and Ive had them for years- They've been making jackets and sweat shirts with hoods for a very long time but in our modern world we have once again associated something like a hooded jacket with a person or an idea of sorts- all of this labeling has to stop- don't you think? MOO

I heard them called hoodies before they were ever associated with crimes. I think calling them hoodies is very normal.

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[tpatte021]

From what I understood he said TM grabbed his jacket or chest.. In fact that is the motion he makes when talking about it.. Not his head but like he grabbed his clothes which is a normal way of rumbling if you ask me..

OMO

Here you go, from CNN:

In an interview just after the shooting, Zimmerman told police that the struggle began when Martin "jumped out from the bushes" and punched him in the face, knocking him down.
"I started screaming for help. I couldn't see. I couldn't breathe," he said.
"He grabbed my head and started hitting it into the sidewalk," he said. "When he started doing that, I slid into the grass to try to get out from under him. ... I'm still yelling for help."

 

[DIBSY]

Did the women on Snapped kill their husbands outdoors with lots of disinterested potential witnesses within yards of the killing? If not, I don't think the same rationale applies. jmo

The women on Snapped are not the only ones to call the police before killings takes place anyway...it's been done in all sorts of circumstances, with and without eye witnesses. The point is that calling the police does not exclude the caller from shooting, stabbing or whatever. IMO

 

[sacrablue]

No TM DNA evidence on pistol.
No TM DNA evidence on holster.
The only part of the gun that had DNA evidence of TM was a hollow point bullet IMO.

 

[Overuled]

And George knew for a fact that John was watching since John spoke to them. I think he also told him that he was calling 911, but I'm not 100% sure so, imo.

The man on the ground yelling for help KNEW that someone was coming according to the evidence already brought forward. Then why did he shoot if he thought someone was almost there-

had to be something serious like extreme pain that caused him to stop this pain with a gun shot- I don't think he wanted anything like shooting a gun to be part of the struggle. Last resort to save his own life perhaps? MOO

 

[iluvmua]

Some poster had part of an article about Crump being the first one to find out about RJ and interviewed her before LE. Sorry I can't find it now to quote.

But something I have been wondering about this.

Why did LE not even think to check TMs phone on the night of the shooting?

Isn't that investigation 101?

Just more evidence of a lax investigation IMO. If the police had done their job and not just assumed GZ was justified, they could have got the info from this witness first hand, before anyone had a chance to interfere.

Sanford PD has a lot of culpability for this case becoming the cluster**** it is, IMO.

They tried to but TM's phone had a passcode on it and they could not unlock the phone so they went to Tracy Martin to see if he could unlock the phone for them, he refused to have TM's phone unlocked and told them he would have to get with his lawyer Mr. Crump.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...rge-zimmerman-special-prosecutor-angela-corey

The phone is registered to Trayvon's father. According to police records, on March 1, an analyst with the Seminole County Sheriff's Office told Sanford police he needed the security code to unlock the data on the phone.

Sanford police Detective Doris Singleton contacted the carrier, T-Mobile, asking for the code. The company told her they could get to the information if they had the PIN to the account. On March 5, Sanford police Sgt. Joe Santiago asked Tracy Martin for the PIN, according to a police report. Tracy Martin said he'd check with his attorney.

Martin never got back with police. At a March 8 news conference in Orlando, Tracy Martin told reporters he would not help police download information from the phone.

More @ link

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Here you go, from CNN:

I still am okay with his version. It all still fits.. There was so much going on in a short time, that I think it is crazy to remember every detail.

He has obvious head wounds.. How he got them, What TM did to give them to him, Is not really relevant to me. TM hurt him. So that is all I need to know..

OMO

 

[lauraoh]

I will be popping lots of popcorn for that one! The Martins appear to have another attorney, Mr. Parks - such a difference from Crump. He does a few of the talk shows and IMO, if he were on board at the beginning, maybe lots of this nonsense would not have happened.

Crump and Parks are partners. And have been for a long time.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Well the majority of blacks in the US do have some white ancestory yet the profile still shows African American because that is the majority. I guess they look at the most prevalent markers.

It is pretty accurate though, the serial killer in Louisiana was thought to be a white male but the DNA expert insisted it was a black male (he pioneered racial identification via DNA). The police disregarded him completely and yet he was proved to be 100% correct.

OT:
The police/ FBI disregarded the Zachary cop (David McDavid) about who he thought the suspect was until the DNA showed it was a black man.
He had tormented our City for a long time before that DNA came back.

 

[lisasalinger]

You bet and Welcome to the discussion !! Your Signature is my favorite part of your post but your opinion makes perfect sense. I have gone so far as to call this trial a conspiracy on Both Sides to set GZ free....However I think the past two days, the Prosecution has done better to a degree...We do see the impact of Carter's testimony differently. I think he showed how the First person to feel he should stand his ground, can suddenly become The Bad Guy, and his victim automatically become the person who is legally standing his ground. The Defense's attempt to obliterate that GZ had lied about the " ever hearing of SYG before was not obliterated though...I think Jurors will see it as just another example of GZ's many outright lies. IMO

Thanks, Dibsy. I appreciate that.

I can see where Carter's testimony can be flipped to the other side from a different perception, even though that is not my own personal perception.

Such a fascinating case... not just because of case content but also because of the enormous divide between perceptions. I always feel for the jurors, but I partically do in this case. Whatever they decide, they are likely going to be painfully scrutinized. I hope they can be comfortable and at peace in their own choices, and are able to stand their own ground (pun intended)

 

[NotMyselfNEMore]

Tm was photographed with his hands underneath his torso after being shot. That would certainly leave his blood on his hands. IMHO

I agree - it would leave blood and dna under his fingernails - both his own, and gz. Only tm's was found, not gz's. - tm could not have scraped his own nails. I know this is testimony re dna, but I will add this is my opinion based on my understanding of the testimony.

 

[missmazzy]

Crump and Parks are partners. And have been for a long time.

I know that now...I have lots of reading to do tonight!

 

[HMSHoney24]

:twocents:

I do not believe GZ went out to kill anyone that night and I also believe that TM wasn't looking for a fight. However, GZ shot TM and TM died because of it. Something lead up to that and had GZ not been following TM, this would not have happened. I keep going back to this: TM RAN, TWICE from GZ. Once TM ran the 1st time, GZ should NOT have pursued him, IMO. We don't know who started this "fight" first, no one saw it.

IMO, if TM ran twice, he had MORE than ample time to run home to his father's residence, especially since GZ lost sight of him. R? (the friend on the phone with TM at the time) stated that TM said that (paraphrasing) "he was right behind his father's residence". A HUGE ? for me is why did TM not just go home if he was in fact in fear for his safety/life? IMO he could outrun GZ 10 times over.

I just can't get past that and several other issues using my own common sense.

Again, JMO.