Germanwings Airbus crash 24 March #1

[PrairieWind]

I'm not an expert but the debris field seems to be large, wide spread for it to have hit the ground then spread. IDK just seems possible that it exploded before hitting the ground. jmo idk Not saying it's intentional just that it doesn't look like it hit the ground first.

I would actually say that is an incredibly small debris field. Appears the plane just flew at 400 mph right into the side of that mountain. Debris would have gone flying for hundreds of yards and probably some has been blown by the wind a little bit. I saw CNN had a climber on a while ago that has climbed in that area and he said it can be very windy and the terrain is quite treacherous. If the plane had exploded or been damaged in the air, there would be debris coming down miles and miles away.

 

[they'll get you]

25 MAR 2015 - 7:24AM
Two Australians dead in French plane crash

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says a Victorian mother and her adult son have died in a plane crash in the French Alps.



http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/03/25/two-australians-dead-french-plane-crash

 

[CARIIS]

Its just a biziare crash site, wondering if it is because we have not been able to get any video from a "still" camera. It seems so spread out, but maybe it appears that way casue the camera is moving too?

 

[Zuri]

Much clearer video here of searchers in the crash location, taken from a search helicopter.

http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-di...a320-a-chute-pendant-huit-minutes_857985.html

Here's their twitter, with many more links. https://mobile.twitter.com/francetvinfo/tweets

On the francetvinfo link, a new video was just posted. A reporter spoke with a man who was working outside and saw the plane disappear. Any translation would be appreciated. My French is not what it used to be.

 

[Zuri]

Its just a biziare crash site, wondering if it is because we have not been able to get any video from a "still" camera. It seems so spread out, but maybe it appears that way casue the camera is moving too?

I was viewing the video and kept pausing it to get a better look. The plane is in a lot of pieces over a fairly visible amount of terrain. I could see bits and pieces of what looked like plane, luggage and people. So very sad.

So if I am understanding what you all are saying, the plane flew into the side of the mountain and exploded into a million pieces? Like a glass shattering if you threw it hard on the floor? I saw an area on the side of the mountain that was scorched and then another area that appeared to have all the trees spliced off. Then there was an area in the side of the mountain that looked as though the rock and earth had been disturbed.

I am not sure what I am looking at and would be greatful to all of you that can process this what it appears to be to you. TIA

 

[PrairieWind]

I was viewing the video and kept pausing it to get a better look. The plane is in a lot of pieces over a fairly visible amount of terrain. I could see bits and pieces of what looked like plane, luggage and people. So very sad.

So if I am understanding what you all are saying, the plane flew into the side of the mountain and exploded into a million pieces? Like a glass shattering if you threw it hard on the floor? I saw an area on the side of the mountain that was scorched and then another area that appeared to have all the trees spliced off. Then there was an area in the side of the mountain that looked as though the rock and earth had been disturbed.

I am not sure what I am looking at and would be greatful to all of you that can process this what it appears to be to you. TIA

Kind of hard to tell from the photos I've seen to tell what is impact area on the mountain and what is just bare rock and dirt that was already there.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I'm thankful the black box was found among all of that destruction. That is almost a miracle in itself. Hopefully it will provide some answers.

My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.

lease:

 

[PrairieWind]

I was viewing the video and kept pausing it to get a better look. The plane is in a lot of pieces over a fairly visible amount of terrain. I could see bits and pieces of what looked like plane, luggage and people. So very sad.

So if I am understanding what you all are saying, the plane flew into the side of the mountain and exploded into a million pieces? Like a glass shattering if you threw it hard on the floor? I saw an area on the side of the mountain that was scorched and then another area that appeared to have all the trees spliced off. Then there was an area in the side of the mountain that looked as though the rock and earth had been disturbed.

I am not sure what I am looking at and would be greatful to all of you that can process this what it appears to be to you. TIA

Kind of hard to tell from the photos I've seen to tell what is impact area on the mountain and what is just bare rock and dirt that was already there.

 

[cuffem]

I would actually say that is an incredibly small debris field. Appears the plane just flew at 400 mph right into the side of that mountain. Debris would have gone flying for hundreds of yards and probably some has been blown by the wind a little bit. I saw CNN had a climber on a while ago that has climbed in that area and he said it can be very windy and the terrain is quite treacherous. If the plane had exploded or been damaged in the air, there would be debris coming down miles and miles away.

I agree,no explosion.Think of the dutch airline that was shot down,explosion and large debris scattered over a good distance

 

[SouthAussie]

http://www.3aw.com.au/news/two-aust...-germanwings-plane-crash-20150324-1m6y8e.html

 

[zwiebel]

On the francetvinfo link, a new video was just posted. A reporter spoke with a man who was working outside and saw the plane disappear. Any translation would be appreciated. My French is not what it used to be.

And my French is on a par with my Dutch and German. Terrible and restricted to dog-related topics. But am trying to get ahold of my nearest and dearest language expert....Or maybe Donjeta will drop in.

 

[SouthAussie]

Germanwings chief pilot Kenan Scheib said the plane’s computer systems had been recently upgraded: “There’s no reason why a fault should have occurred with the computer.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/24/what-happened-to-germanwings-flight-4u-9525


Morning TV news reporting that there appeared to be some levelling out of the plane at the last minute, as if there was some control of the plane.

- Ch7 TV News

 

[Elley Mae]

The pilots sent out no distress call and had lost radio contact with their control center, France's aviation authority said, deepening the mystery over the A320's mid-flight crash after a surprise 8-minute descent.

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/st...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-03-24-09-07-08

Eric Heraud of the French Civil Aviation Authority said the Germanwings plane lost radio contact with a control center at 10:30 a.m. Tuesday, but "never declared a distress alert itself."

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/st...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-03-24-09-07-08

Germanwings chief executive Thomas Winkelmann said the aircraft began descending at 10.45am, a minute after reaching cruising height of 38,000ft.

This descent lasted eight minutes, he told reporters in Cologne. Radar and air traffic control contact broke off at 10.53am when it is understood to have crashed at more than 400mph.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ldorf-francois-hollande-Lufthansa-4U9525.html

10:01 Flight 4U9525 departs Barcelona for Dusseldorf altitude mph
10:27 Flight reaches its cruising altitude without incident 38,000 520
10:29 Aircraft crosses the French coast just east of Marseille 38,000 532
10:30 Aircraft continues at its cruising altitude 38,000 547
10:31 The aircraft appears to have dropped more than 2,000 feet 37,975 549
10:32 The pilot fails to inform Air Traffic control of the drop in altitude 35,575 544
10:33 The jet continues along its course but has lost almost 8,000 feet 32,625 544
10:34 Radar returns show the jet starts to increase its speed 28,875 552
10:35 After five minutes, the aircraft has dropped almost 14,000 feet 24,650 560
10:36 The doomed jet passed over Montagnac-Montepezat 20,300 547
10:37 Next the jet passed Puimoisson Airport continuing its rapid descent 17,050 518
10:38 Seven minutes into the emergency the jet had lost 25,000 feet 13,300 496
10:39 Now the jet was passing the 4,000ft high Upper Bleone Forest 10,475 473
10:40 One minute from impact, the jet was 4,000 feet above the ground 8,250 442
10:41 Air traffic controllers lose contact with the aircraft 6,800 435
10:47 French Air Traffic declares an emergency

 

[gregjrichards]

http://www.3aw.com.au/news/two-aust...-germanwings-plane-crash-20150324-1m6y8e.html

It would be terrible if that is the case. If this is what happened Airbus needs to do something about the pitot tubes. That's what happened to Air France 447 the pitot tubes froze over and the pilots got the wrong speed readings and stalled the plane. I wonder if this is potentially a problem for all planes including Boeing.

I'm so sorry we are here posting about yet another terrible plane crash. R.I.P everyone on board including two babies it is just heartbreaking. It's another reminder not to take life for granted.

Thank you to all of you for posting updates they are greatly appreciated. It is great to come here and get the latest news from all of you all over the world.

 

[PrairieWind]

It would be terrible if that is the case if this is what happened Airbus needs to do something about the pitot tubes. That's what happened to Air France 447 the pitot tubes froze over and the pilots got the wrong speed readings and stalled the plane. I wonder if this is potentially a problem for all planes including Boeing.

I'm so sorry we are here posting about yet another terrible plane crash. R.I.P everyone on board including two babies it is just heartbreaking. It's another reminder not to take life for granted.

Thank you to all of you for posting updates they are greatly appreciated. It is great to come here and get the latest news from all of you all over the world.

These are sensors different from the pitot tubes, but in the same general area I believe. But your point is still valid. Why is Airbus having such a problem with sensors icing over? We don't know that is what happened here, but certainly a possibility.

 

[zwiebel]

The pilots sent out no distress call and had lost radio contact with their control center, France's aviation authority said, deepening the mystery over the A320's mid-flight crash after a surprise 8-minute descent.

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/st...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-03-24-09-07-08

Eric Heraud of the French Civil Aviation Authority said the Germanwings plane lost radio contact with a control center at 10:30 a.m. Tuesday, but "never declared a distress alert itself."

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/st...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-03-24-09-07-08

Germanwings chief executive Thomas Winkelmann said the aircraft began descending at 10.45am, a minute after reaching cruising height of 38,000ft.

This descent lasted eight minutes, he told reporters in Cologne. Radar and air traffic control contact broke off at 10.53am when it is understood to have crashed at more than 400mph.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ldorf-francois-hollande-Lufthansa-4U9525.html

10:01 Flight 4U9525 departs Barcelona for Dusseldorf altitude mph
10:27 Flight reaches its cruising altitude without incident 38,000 520
10:29 Aircraft crosses the French coast just east of Marseille 38,000 532
10:30 Aircraft continues at its cruising altitude 38,000 547
10:31 The aircraft appears to have dropped more than 2,000 feet 37,975 549
10:32 The pilot fails to inform Air Traffic control of the drop in altitude 35,575 544
10:33 The jet continues along its course but has lost almost 8,000 feet 32,625 544
10:34 Radar returns show the jet starts to increase its speed 28,875 552
10:35 After five minutes, the aircraft has dropped almost 14,000 feet 24,650 560
10:36 The doomed jet passed over Montagnac-Montepezat 20,300 547
10:37 Next the jet passed Puimoisson Airport continuing its rapid descent 17,050 518
10:38 Seven minutes into the emergency the jet had lost 25,000 feet 13,300 496
10:39 Now the jet was passing the 4,000ft high Upper Bleone Forest 10,475 473
10:40 One minute from impact, the jet was 4,000 feet above the ground 8,250 442
10:41 Air traffic controllers lose contact with the aircraft 6,800 435
10:47 French Air Traffic declares an emergency

Heard an aviation expert on BBC Radio earlier (forget his name but think I mentioned it earlier) who said that those drops in height would have got air traffic control asking questions straightaway because it's so dangerous in crowded airways. Hard to understand why pilot did not respond, unless he was unconscious or radio had failed.

 

[PrairieWind]

I was just thinking about the one expert indicating it could be the angle of attack sensor icing over. This was a clear day. I have a hard time believing that significant icing could occur at 38,000 ft in the absence of some sort of storm. There just isnt enough moisture at that altitude.

 

[zwiebel]

Translation of statement from goatherd from video I linked earlier (thanks, sleepy translator)

"11 in the morning we saw a plane....didn't realise it was flying so low....thought it was coming from Nice and not Marseille....at same time we saw ANOTHER PLANE that made movement to get out of way of this plane...thought it was going to hit it...then all of sudden we heard a noise, realised there had been an impact...it was like flying into a cul de sac..,,the fighter plane must have realised what was going on...."

So I'm guessing the French sent a fighter jet up to see what was happening with Germanwings, as soon as it started dropping?

Video link:
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-di...a320-a-chute-pendant-huit-minutes_857985.html

 

[SouthAussie]

This is now two A320 lost within the last few months, isn't it? QZ8501 and now 4U9525.

 

[PrairieWind]

Translation of statement from goatherd from video I linked earlier (thanks, sleepy translator)

"11 in the morning we saw a plane....didn't realise it was flying so low....thought it was coming from Nice and not Marseille....at same time we saw ANOTHER PLANE that made movement to get out of way of this plane...thought it was going to hit it...then all of sudden we heard a noise, realised there had been an impact...it was like flying into a cul de sac..,,the fighter plane must have realised what was going on...."

So I'm guessing the French sent a fighter jet up to see what was happening with Germanwings, as soon as it started dropping?

Video link:
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-di...a320-a-chute-pendant-huit-minutes_857985.html

This is very interesting if that guy is correct that there was a fighter jet there. I wonder if he is mistaken or if thats true.