Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #5

[misty48]

yet they had witnesses whose so called evidence was pointless. Actually most of the witnesses were for the prosecution.

When the judge granted the defence's motion to exclude body scan images of CB, taken in the past by police and showing any noticeable skin markings, it made the identification of the perp so much more difficult for the victims, especially HaB. 2 crimes and all the associated witnesses were effectively voided by that one action.
MOO.

 

[mrjitty]

Although he was pretty bullish in the interviews post verdict. Full of denial of the facts and acting like an appeal was all in hand and only a matter of time away. With that head in sand attitude, who knows what he'll do next?

They'll appeal of course, but that's often to be expected.

But I think there is a world where this case quietly dies

 

[mrjitty]

When the judge granted the defence's motion to exclude body scan images of CB, taken in the past by police and showing any noticeable skin markings, it made the identification of the perp so much more difficult for the victims, especially HaB. 2 crimes and all the associated witnesses were effectively voided by that one action.
MOO.

I don't understand this argument. The witnesses gave statements. Either they could recognise him by identifying marks that he had or not. The Judges did not hide anything to me knowledge. Indeed the Judges said the witness misidentified him on that score.

i think this was the big problem with this prosecution in the first place. It relied on witness ID, of a person concealing their identity, in a case so many years ago. Unless HB could come up with a unique feature that she could only have known about if CB was the attacker, then they faced an uphill struggle. This is why the Judge was annoyed about the pre-trial publicity.

MOO

 

[Mex]

I don't understand this argument. The witnesses gave statements. Either they could recognise him by identifying marks that he had or not. The Judges did not hide anything to me knowledge. Indeed the Judges said the witness misidentified him on that score.

i think this was the big problem with this prosecution in the first place. It relied on witness ID, of a person concealing their identity, in a case so many years ago. Unless HB could come up with a unique feature that she could only have known about if CB was the attacker, then they faced an uphill struggle. This is why the Judge was annoyed about the pre-trial publicity.

MOO

A person in the process of being used and abused in the most horrible fashion while in fear of death from the attacker, took in everything she could about her assailant ... and the judge debatted one memory and ridiculed the other.

Sounds very much as though the last thing allowed in this trial was the truth.

Why do you suppose the defence got police evidence in the form of photographs debarred. Certainly not to protect his client's modesty.

When the judge granted the defence's motion to exclude body scan images of CB, taken in the past by police and showing any noticeable skin markings, it made the identification of the perp so much more difficult for the victims, especially HaB. 2 crimes and all the associated witnesses were effectively voided by that one action.
MOO.

Thanks for that post, Misty.
It certainly would seem to confirm the judge's assessment that there was insufficient evidence. Of course there wasn't. Given that she had disallowed the most salient points of evidence from being discussed in court at the instigation of the defence.

 

[RichardKimble]

When the judge granted the defence's motion to exclude body scan images of CB, taken in the past by police and showing any noticeable skin markings, it made the identification of the perp so much more difficult for the victims, especially HaB. 2 crimes and all the associated witnesses were effectively voided by that one action.
MOO.

BBM Think you're wrong there.



Subsequently she asked all lawyers to inspect photographs of the accused’s leg and thigh area, where Ms Behan claimed she saw a mark of some kind.

In his cross-examination, Mr Fülscher highlighted how, in various witness statements, Ms Behan described the mark variously as a scar, tattoo, birthmark or a clump of material.

“I didn’t know what this marking was, I cannot recall word for word what I said,” said Ms Behan.

‘I believe this man is the attacker’: Irish woman accuses Madeleine McCann suspect in rape case

Hazel Behan tells German court of ‘very unusual’ email from Christian Brückner’s defence lawyer before trial

www.irishtimes.com

 

[Anxala]

I gave a link which showed him at the time.

That the person in the video is the same person in the artists impression is irreconcilable by anyone trying to be objective.

I'm pretty sure that pockmarked man was identified as being someone else. IIRC, back in the mists of time, Tenko posted a side by side on a previous thread and the reason I remember it is because it was one of the best fotofits I'd seen where it so accurately captured the likeness of the person in question. A Portuguese man, I think...

Anyway, it's clearly not CB as CB looked at the time the fotofit was done.

 

[mrjitty]

I'm pretty sure that pockmarked man was identified as being someone else. IIRC, back in the mists of time, Tenko posted a side by side on a previous thread and the reason I remember it is because it was one of the best fotofits I'd seen where it so accurately captured the likeness of the person in question. A Portuguese man, I think...

Anyway, it's clearly not CB as CB looked at the time the fotofit was done.

Anyway. The photofits are not evidence per se - they are an investigative tool.

Where the Judge is correct, is that whether or not CB is guilty on all allegations, the well has been poisoned because of the publicity.

e.g A hypothetical key witness in the MM affair, may now be influenced by the likes of HeB's exclusives into thinking CB must have been the guy.

Ditto HCW promoted these indictments on the basis that establishing an MO would help in the MM case. But now he didn't establish anything, and his 'profile' evidence was too speculative

So even if a burglar did commit the crime, there is nothing about that which is evidence against CB. It requires something more specific. And especially when we know the door was unlocked, there is nothing to say that any local, opportunistic burglar did not do this. What special skills were required?

 

[misty48]

BBM Think you're wrong there.



Subsequently she asked all lawyers to inspect photographs of the accused’s leg and thigh area, where Ms Behan claimed she saw a mark of some kind.

In his cross-examination, Mr Fülscher highlighted how, in various witness statements, Ms Behan described the mark variously as a scar, tattoo, birthmark or a clump of material.

“I didn’t know what this marking was, I cannot recall word for word what I said,” said Ms Behan.

‘I believe this man is the attacker’: Irish woman accuses Madeleine McCann suspect in rape case

Hazel Behan tells German court of ‘very unusual’ email from Christian Brückner’s defence lawyer before trial

www.irishtimes.com

TY. I hadn't seen that before. So when were the photos seen in court actually taken and did they only show one leg?

 

[mrjitty]

BBM Think you're wrong there.



Subsequently she asked all lawyers to inspect photographs of the accused’s leg and thigh area, where Ms Behan claimed she saw a mark of some kind.

In his cross-examination, Mr Fülscher highlighted how, in various witness statements, Ms Behan described the mark variously as a scar, tattoo, birthmark or a clump of material.

“I didn’t know what this marking was, I cannot recall word for word what I said,” said Ms Behan.

‘I believe this man is the attacker’: Irish woman accuses Madeleine McCann suspect in rape case

Hazel Behan tells German court of ‘very unusual’ email from Christian Brückner’s defence lawyer before trial

www.irishtimes.com

This is an example of how the tabloids spread rumours pre-trial and why I think this whole thing might be a shipwreck now

 

[misty48]

Anyway. The photofits are not evidence per se - they are an investigative tool.

Where the Judge is correct, is that whether or not CB is guilty on all allegations, the well has been poisoned because of the publicity.

e.g A hypothetical key witness in the MM affair, may now be influenced by the likes of HeB's exclusives into thinking CB must have been the guy.

Ditto HCW promoted these indictments on the basis that establishing an MO would help in the MM case. But now he didn't establish anything, and his 'profile' evidence was too speculative

So even if a burglar did commit the crime, there is nothing about that which is evidence against CB. It requires something more specific. And especially when we know the door was unlocked, there is nothing to say that any local, opportunistic burglar did not do this. What special skills were required?

Equally the judge's treatment of victims and witnesses during the current trial may have a negative effect on the willingness of key people to testify in any prospective MM trial. Some of them are/will be living in fear for their lives imo.

 

[Davieson]

Equally the judge's treatment of victims and witnesses during the current trial may have a negative effect on the willingness of key people to testify in any prospective MM trial. Some of them are/will be living in fear for their lives imo.

That sounds a tad over dramatic to me.
Almost all will sink back into obscurity.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I'm pretty sure that pockmarked man was identified as being someone else. IIRC, back in the mists of time, Tenko posted a side by side on a previous thread and the reason I remember it is because it was one of the best fotofits I'd seen where it so accurately captured the likeness of the person in question. A Portuguese man, I think...

Anyway, it's clearly not CB as CB looked at the time the fotofit was done.

I think that was a French guy who had been found guilty of abusing and murdering boys. The likeness was very strong.

 

[misty48]

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/tasminman.gif

A reminder of the efit of the man reportedly seen watching 5A.

 

[Trivento]

I'm pretty sure that pockmarked man was identified as being someone else. IIRC, back in the mists of time, Tenko posted a side by side on a previous thread and the reason I remember it is because it was one of the best fotofits I'd seen where it so accurately captured the likeness of the person in question. A Portuguese man, I think...

Anyway, it's clearly not CB as CB looked at the time the fotofit was done.

I looked back a bit … @Tekno posted some info about J.Brech ( N.Verstappen case ) .. perhaps that’s the info you’re referring to ?
The images I’ve seen of J.Brech don’t seem to show pitted skin etc …

 

[Trivento]

Maddie suspect Christian Brueckner was my attacker – I see his eyes every time I sleep & know he still poses a threat

IRISH rape victim Hazel Behan insists Maddie McCann suspect Christian Brueckner is the brute who viciously attacked her in 2004. The brave woman told us: “I believe that the person who committed th…

www.thesun.ie

Link containing interview with Ha.Be. who is still convinced her attacker was CB , especially as per his eyes ..

 

[Anxala]

I looked back a bit … @Tekno posted some info about J.Brech ( N.Verstappen case ) .. perhaps that’s the info you’re referring to ?
The images I’ve seen of J.Brech don’t seem to show pitted skin etc …

No, not him. I've had a brief look back through the threads but can't find the post I'm referring to.

Oh well, not important anyway.

 

[RichardKimble]

Maddie suspect Christian Brueckner was my attacker – I see his eyes every time I sleep & know he still poses a threat

IRISH rape victim Hazel Behan insists Maddie McCann suspect Christian Brueckner is the brute who viciously attacked her in 2004. The brave woman told us: “I believe that the person who committed th…

www.thesun.ie

Link containing interview with Ha.Be. who is still convinced her attacker was CB , especially as per his eyes ..

In summing up the Judge said that CB had medium blue monochrome eyes, remember she had CB approach the bench.

Christian B.: Warum zweifelt das Gericht so stark an den Zeugen?

Der Maddie-Verdächtige wird von einem Psychiater als extrem gefährlich eingestuft. Trotzdem spricht ihn das Landgericht Braunschweig frei.

www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de

 

[Trivento]

No, not him. I've had a look back through the threads but can't find the post I'm referring to.

Oh well, not important anyway.

Also noticed some info about a guy called Carlos from Tekno .. connected to C.Post .
A photo was posted that looked like one of the efits .. but not the pitted skin efit .

 

[RichardKimble]

TY. I hadn't seen that before. So when were the photos seen in court actually taken and did they only show one leg?

Who knows , but nonetheless CB was obviously photographed , despite reports to the contrary from mainly the brit msm.

 

[Anxala]

@Trivento - you were correct! Well remembered! J. Brech. (no evidence of pockmarked skin, I agree, but the overall likeness is really good. Maybe he had spots or mosquito bites or something at the time?)

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