NOT GUILTY Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #6

[frank-cole]

Fully agree.

And If it weren't a cat hair, he would be on the loose, even for the last 7 years....

Not that he is accused of something he didn't do, but "nothing is owed to him"...
Beyond everything he was accused of and got away through a miserable trial (5 cases), it is still possible that there is much more (e.g. box factory findings) he may have committed that has not even been known about, much less judged.

What a disgusting, dangerous, coward and miserable creature.
There is only one place for CB: prison (maybe even safer for him than when he is out here in Sep).

Exactly. Sometimes when talking about other crimes there’s an air of caution - this to avoid contradictions now or in the future.

It’s scandalous that the judge wouldn’t allow the box factory evidence. Because now, for example, we know Hazel was absolutely right in what she said. CB being acquitted obviously doesn’t make her wrong. Same applies to those other findings.

Yes, he is a very dangerous individual capable of horrific things. The things he wrote will remain accessible for the public. If he’s free I think he’ll find a very vulnerable mother with drug or alcohol dependency problem. He can exploit that type of vulnerability & I think that’s where his next assault would happen. The longer he’s out the more confident he will become.

 

[RichardKimble]

imo such threads are about debating the open source information about the subject of the thread, going into detail, establishing wider context & making assumptions on what the evidence may be.

This thread often reads like a trainee defence lawyer audition.

So your happy to sleuth (ie: internet /amateur detective,) but don't want any possible evidence that there maybe to be scrutinised by amateurs.

 

[RichardKimble]

Yeah - CB isn’t a wounded soldier about to return from the battlefield after being hunted by the same pseudo movement they all despise. I think people being favourable to his release should realise that ‘win or lose’ in a SM argument is one thing - but nobody n their right mind should be adversed to CB staying behind bars. Straight after the announcement in 2020 there was hostility towards the prosecution, almost immediately - imo it is better that CB is caged.

CB had been through the due process of law, you can argue it was unjust trial and verdict but that's up to the Germans, have you considered making representation to them? What's better in your opinion makes no odds.

 

[frank-cole]

So your happy to sleuth (ie: internet /amateur detective,) but don't want any possible evidence that there maybe to be scrutinised by amateurs.

Yes, but you’ve missed the point.
I’ll use an example from today.

Bob - Mention box factory finds.

Trev - suggest it isn’t relevant because it wasn’t admissible.

That isn’t sleuthing & this isn’t a CB defence lawyer audition.

That said, Hazel was spot on about the scar wasn’t she?

 

[frank-cole]

CB had been through the due process of law, you can argue it was unjust trial and verdict but that's up to the Germans, have you considered making representation to them? What's better in your opinion makes no odds.

It may be a good idea to read your last comment & reflect on the irony between this & that.

 

[johnlair]

Yes, but you’ve missed the point.
I’ll use an example from today.

Bob - Mention box factory finds.

Trev - suggest it isn’t relevant because it wasn’t admissible.

That isn’t sleuthing & this isn’t a CB defence lawyer audition.

That said, Hazel was spot on about the scar wasn’t she?

A woman is not going to forget who raped her for hours especially looking him in the eyes the whole time through the trial... At the end of the day it should have been demanded in court that they are provided with the answer does/did he have a scar or not but the judge was too focused on FF narrative poor CB hes been all over the papers... Neither would a kid forget a face...as for the drives luckily there is still the one from the Kiosk they reckon thats the one with the evidence however the Germans have some twisted law about evidence can only be used once... That and cannot use the box factory drives because it was an improper search is pathetic.... Talk about giving Criminals ways of dodging laws... So its ok he had drives with 1000s of kids being abused and tortured on them because he wasn't asked permission can we search your land who cares... Yeah I know a law is a law ...I just cant help wondering what kind of people make these laws

 

[johnlair]

It has been acknowledged by almost everyone on this forum that CB is an abhorrent character - that’s beyond doubt. What is rightfully being questioned by me and other posters is f he is responsible for abducting and murdering MM - as aledged.

There is no evidence to support the theory that MM was abducted. Whether she was or not continues to be moot. The Germans, so far, have shown nothing that implicates CB in her murder. Therefore, if you accept that MM was taken and killed by CB, you are forming your belief exclusively on the word of the Braunschweig Prosecutor’s spokesperson - you simply believe what he has said because there is nothing else.

considering this, let’s look at your assertion that people who choose to question what HCW has said are conspiracy theorists. Please explain when a theory becomes a conspiracy. What you are putting forward has no factual basis - it’s just what you think.

I call you an independent thinker. Why do you denigrate people with different views and call them conspiracists?

Well I dont see any reason for the germans to lie.... She didn't just vanish into thin air did she...although some conspiracy theorists believe she was abducted by aliens...

I'll say it again there is a difference between the public not being shown what evidence they have and their backstory for him if researched properly makes sense.. and not having any evidence..

Why do you think they would lie about her being dead and him being the only suspect..
I ave no reason to doubt them. I think they got the right guy... The parents nah just because some dogs traced some blood means nothing.. some people think Gerry disappeared for half an hour disposed the body and came back and finished his wine... Its like what ...in a busy street thats why I call it a conspiracy because you would have to be dumb to think like that.

 

[Sharkbite]

And If it weren't a cat hair, he would be on the loose, even for the last 7 years....

I recall that samples of animal hair were collected from 5A, maybe they have a DNA match with the dog that CB buried at the box factory. Of course this wouldn't prove that CB had been inside 5A but it would raise questions as to how the hair got there.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Well I dont see any reason for the germans to lie.... She didn't just vanish into thin air did she...although some conspiracy theorists believe she was abducted by aliens...

I'll say it again there is a difference between the public not being shown what evidence they have and their backstory for him if researched properly makes sense.. and not having any evidence..

Why do you think they would lie about her being dead and him being the only suspect..
I ave no reason to doubt them. I think they got the right guy... The parents nah just because some dogs traced some blood means nothing.. some people think Gerry disappeared for half an hour disposed the body and came back and finished his wine... It’s like what ...in a busy street thats why I call it a conspiracy because you would have to be dumb to think like that.

The MM case is perhaps the biggest criminal case on earth. If ambitious investigators and prosecutors pieced together a plausible (not necessarily probable) theory, do you think they would want to be involved in solving this case - it would make them world famous.

So far as the parent’s involvement is concerned, there are a raft of theories, some quite plausible, perhaps more so than CB. I encourage you to do some investigation, if you pm me I will give you some references.

There are people on this forum with very, very deep insight into this case. Many of them would be skeptical about CB’s involvement.

 

[frank-cole]

CB had been through the due process of law, you can argue it was unjust trial and verdict but that's up to the Germans, have you considered making representation to them? What's better in your opinion makes no odds.

I recall that samples of animal hair were collected from 5A, maybe they have a DNA match with the dog that CB buried at the box factory. Of course this wouldn't prove that CB had been inside 5A but it would raise questions as to how the hair got there.

- when HCW asked about whether they had evidence of CB going into 5a he said they had an answer to that but he wouldn’t disclose because he said their answer would invite many questions.

I wonder what they do have.

 

[frank-cole]

Well I dont see any reason for the germans to lie.... She didn't just vanish into thin air did she...although some conspiracy theorists believe she was abducted by aliens...

I'll say it again there is a difference between the public not being shown what evidence they have and their backstory for him if researched properly makes sense.. and not having any evidence..

Why do you think they would lie about her being dead and him being the only suspect..
I ave no reason to doubt them. I think they got the right guy... The parents nah just because some dogs traced some blood means nothing.. some people think Gerry disappeared for half an hour disposed the body and came back and finished his wine... Its like what ...in a busy street thats why I call it a conspiracy because you would have to be dumb to think like that.

Yes -going by dog barks that were not corroborated by evidence is not logical.

Imo this crime is far simpler than what people think. Cold case doesn’t mean complicated case, however it’s quite natural to have complicated theories when there’s a lot of time to think about the case.

The crime is devastating but not complicated. I think the simplicity may confuse some people because they expect it to be something with a lot of elements, complexity & conspiracy.

IMO an Easy mistake to make, but seemingly a difficult reality to accept.

 

[johnlair]

The MM case is perhaps the biggest criminal case on earth. If ambitious investigators and prosecutors pieced together a plausible (not necessarily probable) theory, do you think they would want to be involved in solving this case - it would make them world famous.

So far as the parent’s involvement is concerned, there are a raft of theories, some quite plausible, perhaps more so than CB. I encourage you to do some investigation, if you pm me I will give you some references.

There are people on this forum with very, very deep insight into this case. Many of them would be skeptical about CB’s involvement.

So you are saying they are lying about it to become world famous and that then the British police being over there at the dam helping and all the funding thats gone into it is all for this lie.>
You see how silly that seems.... I have researched the MM case since it first happened I doubt there is anything anyone can say to swing me towards any of those many Parent theories... The correct theory was the Dam right from the word go.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

- when HCW asked about whether they had evidence of CB going into 5a he said they had an answer to that but he wouldn’t disclose because he said their answer would invite many questions.

I wonder what they do have.

I don’t think he said that. My recollection is that he dismissed the question all together - words to the effect of… our investigation is not concerned with the apartment but afterwards. He wanted to steer clear of any discussion about the apartment because there is no evidence and/or his theory cannot work with the parent’s timeline. I am quite sure he didn’t say he had an answer for the disappearance from 5A.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

So you are saying they are lying about it to become world famous and that then the British police being over there at the dam helping and all the funding thats gone into it is all for this lie.>
You see how silly that seems.... I have researched the MM case since it first happened I doubt there is anything anyone can say to swing me towards any of those many Parent theories... The correct theory was the Dam right from the word go.

No. You are twisting my words. I think they have convinced themselves they have the culprit. However, there is a large incentive for doing so. If you are a crime professional this is as big a triumph one could ever hope for… if it’s true…

Do you see the irony in your comment about the dam? You are stating that you are completely closed minded to any other theory. It may be correct but it is one in literally thousands of possible outcomes and therefore, probability suggests it is extremely unlikely that it’s the right solution. It’s just your opinion because the police took soil samples.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Yes -going by dog barks that were not corroborated by evidence is not logical.

Imo this crime is far simpler than what people think. Cold case doesn’t mean complicated case, however it’s quite natural to have complicated theories when there’s a lot of time to think about the case.

The crime is devastating but not complicated. I think the simplicity may confuse some people because they expect it to be something with a lot of elements, complexity & conspiracy.

IMO an Easy mistake to make, but seemingly a difficult reality to accept.

Statistically, the most simple and likely solution is that MM’s parents were responsible. I am not saying they were but stranger abductions and murders are incredibly rare.

 

[JB1510]

I don’t think he said that. My recollection is that he dismissed the question all together - words to the effect of… our investigation is not concerned with the apartment but afterwards. He wanted to steer clear of any discussion about the apartment because there is no evidence and/or his theory cannot work with the parent’s timeline. I am quite sure he didn’t say he had an answer for the disappearance from 5A.

He’s mentioned it before but I can’t remember where and when I saw it , he did comment on it just after the recent trial . Evidence for abduction and murder.
@ 0.50

 

[JB1510]

Statistically, the most simple and likely solution is that MM’s parents were responsible. I am not saying they were but stranger abductions and murders are incredibly rare.

Robert Black , Roy Whiting ? without even thinking about it

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Robert Black , Roy Whiting ? without even thinking about it

Contrast the two that spring to mind vs the hundreds of thousands that die at the hands of their parents. I didn’t say it never happens, I said it was statistically very rare - that’s a true statement.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

He’s mentioned it before but I can’t remember where and when I saw it , he did comment on it just after the recent trial . Evidence for abduction and murder.
@ 0.50

Thanks, I’ve not heard that before. Do you think he considers HeB’s statement evidence of an abduction?

 

[frank-cole]

Statistically, the most simple and likely solution is that MM’s parents were responsible. I am not saying they were but stranger abductions and murders are incredibly rare.

Statistically true, however it is a fact that stranger abductions happen. That’s why they garner interest, because they’re rare.

If my flat earth theory stemmed from an alt-theorist claiming there was a phantom space station on the moon, flip-flop noises & that secret government forces were involved, I’d be contradicting the credibility I think my theory has because of the illogical reasons & conclusions I’ve come to.

Same applies in the MM case.