Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #6 *Acquitted*

[JB1510]

Only right and proper but if that final piece of evidence is either unobtainable or doesn't point to CB then at some stage it'll have to be dropped, since 2017 he's been investigated I'd venture they're at the stage I've mentioned.

If any evidence regarding MM is deemed unobtainable due to an “illegal search” I believe the BKA will hand over all their evidence to the Met and see what a jury at the Old Bailey make of it . Personally speaking I’d scrap the recent trial appeal and put it all together in the MM case.

 

[Davieson]

If any evidence regarding MM is deemed unobtainable due to an “illegal search” I believe the BKA will hand over all their evidence to the Met and see what a jury at the Old Bailey make of it . Personally speaking I’d scrap the recent trial appeal and put it all together in the MM case.

I would assume that any illegally obtained evidence would still be considered illegal in UK
The CPS is fairly demanding when considering prosecution.
Jurisdiction might be an interesting debating point as well.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Why would there be a sign of a break in? He was a seasoned cat prowler.

Gain entry, loot for cash, swipe a child.

For me, the biggest question I have is whether he knew she was there, even before he entered, whether tipped off to it or self-surveilled.

JMO

He has no convictions for burglary. If we are to believe his former associates, he was excellent at robbing holiday apartments.

On 3 May, 2007 this serial and expert burglar entered and exited 5A, unseen leaving no evidence. He left all the valuables but abducted a near four-year-old child. He did this before 10:00 p.m. with parents going back-and-forth to the rooms.

This all seems inconsistent - skilled burglar that doesn’t steal but takes a gigantic risk to steal a child.

 

[JB1510]

@Davieson Highly doubtful , if an offence has been committed punish the officer involved if necessary , but there’s no way that evidence will be dismissed imo and rightfully so be it with the German system or UK. A wealth of information, guns , masks and possibly ether all in possession of a convicted rapist , paedophile who likes to film his assaults , I’m sure the CPS would want to see it.

 

[Davieson]

@Davieson Highly doubtful , if an offence has been committed punish the officer involved if necessary , but there’s no way that evidence will be dismissed imo and rightfully so be it with the German system or UK. A wealth of information, guns , masks and possibly ether all in possession of a convicted rapist , paedophile who likes to film his assaults , I’m sure the CPS would want to see it.

I'm sure they would, but they not be able to use it in court.
Without a direct link between CB & MM, it may not even get to court

 

[Trivento]

@Davieson Highly doubtful , if an offence has been committed punish the officer involved if necessary , but there’s no way that evidence will be dismissed imo and rightfully so be it with the German system or UK. A wealth of information, guns , masks and possibly ether all in possession of a convicted rapist , paedophile who likes to film his assaults , I’m sure the CPS would want to see it.

I'd like to believe your proposal that evidence won't be easily dismissed and also hope it won't be ..
However , have an uneasy feeling in that respect , going by what have heard reported over the past few years , related to following CB news etc.
There seems at times to be rules and obstacles in the legal system that end up working more in the favour of criminals than victims .
We'll see in time I guess ..

 

[Chiatos]

This all seems inconsistent - skilled burglar that doesn’t steal but takes a gigantic risk to steal a child.

There is no inconsitency. He took many other huge risks before he took this one. And stealing a child is far more valuable than stealing trinkets.

 

[frank-cole]

Why would there be a sign of a break in? He was a seasoned cat prowler.

Gain entry, loot for cash, swipe a child.

For me, the biggest question I have is whether he knew she was there, even before he entered, whether tipped off to it or self-surveilled.

I think the raised shutters & open window raises questions on whether CB was responsible for the previous 2 OC intrusions where the same happened.

Perhaps the aftermath would have been different depending on whether it was a chance abduction or a premeditated one.

 

[C.greek]

He has no convictions for burglary. If we are to believe his former associates, he was excellent at robbing holiday apartments.

On 3 May, 2007 this serial and expert burglar entered and exited 5A, unseen leaving no evidence. He left all the valuables but abducted a near four-year-old child. He did this before 10:00 p.m. with parents going back-and-forth to the rooms.

This all seems inconsistent - skilled burglar that doesn’t steal but takes a gigantic risk to steal a child.

I don't really see any inconsistencies to be honest. You forgot to mention paedophile with stated similar fantasies and a convicted rapist. Risk and adrelanine go hand in hand so for such a vile, perverted person this would be something he was after. On record he fantasised of abducting little girls. He has been convicted for actions against children (twice) and for rape. So their is nothing inconsistent! By omitting his known and criminal record, and presenting him only as a burglar is a misrepresentation.

 

[RichardKimble]

Why would there be a sign of a break in? He was a seasoned cat prowler.

Gain entry, loot for cash, swipe a child.

For me, the biggest question I have is whether he knew she was there, even before he entered, whether tipped off to it or self-surveilled.

JMO

What evidence is there that " he" CB entered 5a?

 

[frank-cole]

If any evidence regarding MM is deemed unobtainable due to an “illegal search” I believe the BKA will hand over all their evidence to the Met and see what a jury at the Old Bailey make of it . Personally speaking I’d scrap the recent trial appeal and put it all together in the MM case.

Yes - actual truth should take precedence & inadmissibility on how evidence was obtained should not outweigh the importance of bringing a child murderer to justice.

I know that some mainstream journalists are doing work on what legal barriers may prevent trial in the UK & sourcing other cases that have switched from Germany to a different country in the past.

 

[frank-cole]

@Davieson Highly doubtful , if an offence has been committed punish the officer involved if necessary , but there’s no way that evidence will be dismissed imo and rightfully so be it with the German system or UK. A wealth of information, guns , masks and possibly ether all in possession of a convicted rapist , paedophile who likes to film his assaults , I’m sure the CPS would want to see it.

It’s intriguing to see the resistance to any prospect of this case being handled in the UK!

I am assuming it’s because they also realise the chances of conviction will be higher in a UK jury based system.

 

[frank-cole]

@Davieson Highly doubtful , if an offence has been committed punish the officer involved if necessary , but there’s no way that evidence will be dismissed imo and rightfully so be it with the German system or UK. A wealth of information, guns , masks and possibly ether all in possession of a convicted rapist , paedophile who likes to film his assaults , I’m sure the CPS would want to see it.

 

[RichardKimble]

If any evidence regarding MM is deemed unobtainable due to an “illegal search” I believe the BKA will hand over all their evidence to the Met and see what a jury at the Old Bailey make of it . Personally speaking I’d scrap the recent trial appeal and put it all together in the MM case.

The MET or any other British force cannot investigate a foreign national allegedly abducting and killing a brit subject abroad.The MET in this case can only assist the BKA.
All lines of questioning back in 2014 had to be done through the PJ.

The Met continues to work with and support colleagues from law enforcement in Portugal and Germany.

https://www.met.police.uk/notices/met/operation-grange/

 

[johnlair]

Why would there be a sign of a break in? He was a seasoned cat prowler.

Gain entry, loot for cash, swipe a child.

For me, the biggest question I have is whether he knew she was there, even before he entered, whether tipped off to it or self-surveilled.

JMO

Well someone tipped off she was raped murdered and dumped in the dam which if true shows other people knew what was going on so I reckon there was more than just him... People just dont want to incriminate themselves

 

[RichardKimble]

Well someone tipped off she was raped murdered and dumped in the dam which if true shows other people knew what was going on so I reckon there was more than just him... People just dont want to incriminate themselves

Three locals in 2014 were specifically asked did you kill Madeleine which is more than the BKA have asked of CB, why or what evidence convinces you the BKA are any closer than the MET in 2014. These three were also allegedly burglars , these three also raised suspicions because of phone records, but yet there's no evidence known that all these alleged burglars came across each other.Sprites in the night.

 

[RichardKimble]

The role of police abroad.

It is important to note that a police force in England and Wales has no power to conduct criminal investigations overseas and the primacy of the relevant foreign jurisdiction must be respected.


The Police — Murdered Abroad

 

[onemoremiletogo]

There is no inconsitency. He took many other huge risks before he took this one. And stealing a child is far more valuable than stealing trinkets.

Obvious. It's so obvious. Extensively debated here already.

 

[Davieson]

I

The role of police abroad.

It is important to note that a police force in England and Wales has no power to conduct criminal investigations overseas and the primacy of the relevant foreign jurisdiction must be respected.


The Police — Murdered Abroad

I suppose, technically, they wouldn't be investigating overseas; they would be conducting a paper exercise, just as they have been doing for the last umpteen years.

 

[RichardKimble]

It’s intriguing to see the resistance to any prospect of this case being handled in the UK!

I am assuming it’s because they also realise the chances of conviction will be higher in a UK jury based system.

It's understanding there will be no prospect of CB facing a British court.