NOT GUILTY Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #6

[frank-cole]

Any chance you might grow up and leave all that illogical idiocy back in 2024?

Almost everyone following this case/thread were holding out and hoping for a charge against CB and a trial, completely contrary to your above claim.

With respect - trying to dictate to me is a waste of your time.
Apologies for hitting a nerve.

I tend to think the CB websleuths page is about sleuthing about CB. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to notice that McCann sceptics (who also thought that way pre 2020) will be the ones spending time on CB threads being very defence favourable. That will undoubtedly continue.

CB seems to be ‘in the way’. People sleuthing about his involvement is clearly an annoyance. If it wasn’t we wouldn’t be having this conversation

I’ll leave it there - but feel free to add anything should you wish.

 

[frank-cole]

If it is 'nonsense' why do you suppose CB's lawyer is going into such detail about his options.

I think the lawyers are trying to build a narrative and send a message of ‘you won’t catch him when he’s out so move fast’. IMO it seems like an attempt to get the cards on the table early & at a time that suits them. I expect the prosecution will refrain. Perhaps there actually are 8 cases in play, therefore a charge for another unrelated matter could materialise before his release date. I can’t see them making a McCann move until they’re technicality bullet proof & other proceedings have been finalised. I doubt the appeals will be successful so it’ll be interesting to see what happens between now & September. Because the MM evidence hasn’t been shared & CB is in prison - the legal system has full control over him, which is at an advantage to the state.

They have the general location, a narrow time frame, the suspect, evidence, witnesses & the abduction location. IMO it’s inevitable that this will catch up on CB. It’s just a matter of when & by who.

 

[Davieson]

I think the lawyers are trying to build a narrative and send a message of ‘you won’t catch him when he’s out so move fast’. IMO it seems like an attempt to get the cards on the table early & at a time that suits them. I expect the prosecution will refrain. Perhaps there actually are 8 cases in play, therefore a charge for another unrelated matter could materialise before his release date. I can’t see them making a McCann move until they’re technicality bullet proof & other proceedings have been finalised. I doubt the appeals will be successful so it’ll be interesting to see what happens between now & September. Because the MM evidence hasn’t been shared & CB is in prison - the legal system has full control over him, which is at an advantage to the state.

They have the general location, a narrow time frame, the suspect, evidence, witnesses & the abduction location. IMO it’s inevitable that this will catch up on CB. It’s just a matter of when & by who.

And yet with all that, they seem unable to follow through and charge.

 

[Mex]

And yet with all that, they seem unable to follow through and charge.

There simply has not been the time to follow the logical progression of events since CB was found guilty of aggravated rape in 2019.

Since when the forces of law and order have been involved in dealing with procedural issues to ensure CB is dealt with in a fair and lawful manner.
These things take time.
In this instance it has taken from 2019 till the present day and beyond.

 

[frank-cole]

There simply has not been the time to follow the logical progression of events since CB was found guilty of aggravated rape in 2019.

Since when the forces of law and order have been involved in dealing with procedural issues to ensure CB is dealt with in a fair and lawful manner.
These things take time.
In this instance it has taken from 2019 till the present day and beyond.

Yep. It’ll take time. Better to take time, get as much as possible & have a good go at getting justice.

Justice for MM & closure for her grieving family is so important. All have waited 17 years, seems irrational to, for whatever reason, then become impatient when a 3 LEA investigation into a prime suspect is in play.

 

[Davieson]

Yep. It’ll take time. Better to take time, get as much as possible & have a good go at getting justice.

Justice for MM & closure for her grieving family is so important. All have waited 17 years, seems irrational to, for whatever reason, then become impatient when a 3 LEA investigation into a prime suspect is in play.

I fear the rate they are going at, they may be no further forward in another 17 years.

 

[frank-cole]

I fear the rate they are going at, they may be no further forward in another 17 years.

Well we’ve waited this long….

We had 13 years of inaction pre 2020 & far less frustration. Now we have CB - the prime suspect with 3 LEA’s investigating & there’s far more frustration about inaction.

Similarly to MM & the case against CB -when it comes to conspiracies, including missing people, those invested want lengthy spaces of nothingness where their beliefs can keep circulating & go on unchallenged.

But when things change - be that anything from ‘Bigfoot’s hair’ actually being from a black bear all the way a new suspect in a cold case, it always brings frustration because it undermines a belief. That’ll create either a minor annoyance, lengthy resentment or a full blown tantrum.

 

[UK Girl]

There simply has not been the time to follow the logical progression of events since CB was found guilty of aggravated rape in 2019.

Since when the forces of law and order have been involved in dealing with procedural issues to ensure CB is dealt with in a fair and lawful manner.
These things take time.
In this instance it has taken from 2019 till the present day and beyond.

They have had five or six years!

 

[Mex]

They have had five or six years!

Criminal indictments for serious sexual cases were processed and ready to go in front of the courts in 2022.
As we know that did not happen and as we also know fresh information regarding his depredations continued to be uncovered when he did answer the charges in court.
Snip
C, 50, said the 47-year-old made the confession while they were both on remand in the same prison.

He told the hearing: “There was talk of a girl, I don’t know if what he said was true or not. He said that he had a bus and that he had taken her with it.

"He said he kept some of them, but not others, but he never said that he had killed them. We’re talking about girls, not boys. Not all at once, always one at a time. He told me about two. He said that he had taken someone, had sex with her but he didn’t kill her.”

CB is currently serving a seven-year prison term for raping an American pensioner in Praia da Luz.

He is standing trial in Germany on unconnected sex crimes allegedly carried out in the Algarve between 2000 and 2017.

He denies the latest charge

Madeleine McCann suspect scored top marks on psychopath test and is 'in absolute top league of dangerousness' | LBC

Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner is in the top “one per cent of abnormal”, a leading forensic psychiatrist has said.

www.lbc.co.uk

 

[Mex]

I fear the rate they are going at, they may be no further forward in another 17 years.

The rate of progress is determined by the process not the prosecutors or the police.

So it seems a bit incongruous to be placing blame on organisations with no influence on management of the process but for collecting the evidence to allow it to be undertaken in the first instance.
My opinion

 

[frank-cole]

There simply has not been the time to follow the logical progression of events since CB was found guilty of aggravated rape in 2019.

Since when the forces of law and order have been involved in dealing with procedural issues to ensure CB is dealt with in a fair and lawful manner.
These things take time.
In this instance it has taken from 2019 till the present day and beyond.

Criminal indictments for serious sexual cases were processed and ready to go in front of the courts in 2022.
As we know that did not happen and as we also know fresh information regarding his depredations continued to be uncovered when he did answer the charges in court.
Snip
C, 50, said the 47-year-old made the confession while they were both on remand in the same prison.

He told the hearing: “There was talk of a girl, I don’t know if what he said was true or not. He said that he had a bus and that he had taken her with it.

"He said he kept some of them, but not others, but he never said that he had killed them. We’re talking about girls, not boys. Not all at once, always one at a time. He told me about two. He said that he had taken someone, had sex with her but he didn’t kill her.”

CB is currently serving a seven-year prison term for raping an American pensioner in Praia da Luz.

He is standing trial in Germany on unconnected sex crimes allegedly carried out in the Algarve between 2000 and 2017.

He denies the latest charge

Madeleine McCann suspect scored top marks on psychopath test and is 'in absolute top league of dangerousness' | LBC

Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner is in the top “one per cent of abnormal”, a leading forensic psychiatrist has said.

www.lbc.co.uk

imo - they may have more charges (for other offences) brewing.

 

[Mex]

One is quite bemused that there appears to be vestiges of support for defence attempts to 'normalise' the abnormal in anticipation that CB might be subject to release.

Snip
Evidence in the trial included notebooks in which CB is said to have documented his sexual fantasies, including a 'guide to the detailed abuse of children and women'.

The expert described the notes as 'gruesome' and some of the 'greatest perversions' he had ever seen in his professional life.

However, the defence had raised serious doubts about the cases against Brueckner, which were based on testimonies but not forensic evidence.

The notebooks seized from Brueckner detailing his sexual fantasies were also used as evidence. But, despite their disturbing content, they provided no direct link to the alleged crimes.

'Psychopathic sadist': Psychologist assessment of Christian Brueckner

Prosecutors last week called for Brueckner to be sentenced to 15 years for the alleged crimes and said that if released from jail, there was a 'high degree of certainty' he would reoffend.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It is on record that CB is a very dangerous man as far as women and children - and society as a whole - are concerned. Making the apparent push to release him on an unsuspecting populace quite bizarre.
My opinion

 

[Mex]

imo - they may have more charges (for other offences) brewing.

I think that is a high probability.
It is a certainty that the forces of law and order have much more in depth knowledge of what CB has been up to over the decades he was criminally active.
The big problem is probably not the volume but pinning it down to match his life style.

As we have learned, this has been no mean task when investigators are reliant on circumstantial evidence to build a case. Particularly when the only constant in cases under trial is the identity of the suspect.

What is worth bearing in mind is that circumstantial evidence is in no way inferior to direct evidence. Both have their place in fact finding.

One would like to see it all in operation in the present circumstances and I think the chances suggest there is a possibility.
My opinion
Snip
"The proceedings are therefore expected to arrive at the Federal Court of Justice in Leipzig in March 2025." If the appeal is accepted, the Federal Court of Justice will re-examine the proceedings and make a final judgment. Christian B. could still be found guilty of the other rape cases - and remain in custody.

Keine Anklage im Fall Maddie McCann – kommt Christian B. noch in diesem Jahr frei?

Der mehrfach vorbestrafte Sexualstraftäter könnte im September frei kommen. Die Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig will das verhindern.

www.rtl.de

 

[frank-cole]

I think that is a high probability.
It is a certainty that the forces of law and order have much more in depth knowledge of what CB has been up to over the decades he was criminally active.
The big problem is probably not the volume but pinning it down to match his life style.

As we have learned, this has been no mean task when investigators are reliant on circumstantial evidence to build a case. Particularly when the only constant in cases under trial is the identity of the suspect.

What is worth bearing in mind is that circumstantial evidence is in no way inferior to direct evidence. Both have their place in fact finding.

One would like to see it all in operation in the present circumstances and I think the chances suggest there is a possibility.
My opinion
Snip
"The proceedings are therefore expected to arrive at the Federal Court of Justice in Leipzig in March 2025." If the appeal is accepted, the Federal Court of Justice will re-examine the proceedings and make a final judgment. Christian B. could still be found guilty of the other rape cases - and remain in custody.

Keine Anklage im Fall Maddie McCann – kommt Christian B. noch in diesem Jahr frei?

Der mehrfach vorbestrafte Sexualstraftäter könnte im September frei kommen. Die Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig will das verhindern.

www.rtl.de

Agree. One thing that worked in favour of the defence is the timings in which the trial was heard. Trying to prosecute a serial offender but being faced with lengthy gaps could mean it challenging to argue the serial nature of the crime because the time between trial dates made it so that things were viewed more in isolation . Perhaps the appeal judge having everything all in one place & being able to assess it at the same time may enable better focus. That said, although her reasoning was perhaps a little niave, I don’t think the judge would have made legal errors. Therefore appeal will probably fail.

For those who want him to remain behind bars, imo it’s still possible because other proceedings may be introduced.

 

[Davieson]

It always seemed strange to me that the prosecution bundled these unrelated cases together rather than presenting them as 5 separate and unconnected crimes.

 

[Anxala]

It always seemed strange to me that the prosecution bundled these unrelated cases together rather than presenting them as 5 separate and unconnected crimes.

Or at least prioritised the two that at least had a connection and similarities with the MO of the crime he's currently serving a sentence for, the unknown elderly rape victim as seen on video and the HazelB rape.

 

[frank-cole]

One is quite bemused that there appears to be vestiges of support for defence attempts to 'normalise' the abnormal in anticipation that CB might be subject to release.

Snip
Evidence in the trial included notebooks in which CB is said to have documented his sexual fantasies, including a 'guide to the detailed abuse of children and women'.

The expert described the notes as 'gruesome' and some of the 'greatest perversions' he had ever seen in his professional life.

However, the defence had raised serious doubts about the cases against Brueckner, which were based on testimonies but not forensic evidence.

The notebooks seized from Brueckner detailing his sexual fantasies were also used as evidence. But, despite their disturbing content, they provided no direct link to the alleged crimes.

'Psychopathic sadist': Psychologist assessment of Christian Brueckner

Prosecutors last week called for Brueckner to be sentenced to 15 years for the alleged crimes and said that if released from jail, there was a 'high degree of certainty' he would reoffend.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It is on record that CB is a very dangerous man as far as women and children - and society as a whole - are concerned. Making the apparent push to release him on an unsuspecting populace quite bizarre.
My opinion

“One is quite bemused that there appears to be vestiges of support for defence attempts to 'normalise' the abnormal in anticipation that CB might be subject to release.” - Unfortunately we will undoubtedly see that behaviour continue. It’s one of the main things that is gossiped about in the ‘clubs’. It shows the levels things can go to when a person identifies with an agenda.

It doesn’t surprise me that a convicted child abuser & rapist is suspected of child abuse & rape. PDL was, for the most part, perfect for CB. However he probably wouldn’t have expected the amount of attention & the involvement of a foreign police force. He likely had a lot of confidence in the local police I think he even said how useless they were at catching him. Therefore It’s not a big shock that he fled very quickly when the UK police got involved in the MM case.

 

[Mex]

Agree. One thing that worked in favour of the defence is the timings in which the trial was heard. Trying to prosecute a serial offender but being faced with lengthy gaps could mean it challenging to argue the serial nature of the crime because the time between trial dates made it so that things were viewed more in isolation . Perhaps the appeal judge having everything all in one place & being able to assess it at the same time may enable better focus. That said, although her reasoning was perhaps a little niave, I don’t think the judge would have made legal errors. Therefore appeal will probably fail.

For those who want him to remain behind bars, imo it’s still possible because other proceedings may be introduced.

Agreed.
CB is no innocent when it comes to committing offences and there must be dismay amongst authorities as well as those responsible for the rule of law and order that he might soon be free to take up from where he left off.

The trial was a bit chaotic. Right from the beginning. And possibly much of that may have been more by design than by accident.

Take for example the very first upset which led to the first delay in the trial, that of the alderwoman who had been indiscrete in a social media post.
FF reported her.
Which was all well and good. She was removed from the court and the lay judge position to which she had just been sworn in.

Being in full possession of the facts one puzzles why FF didn’t approach the court authorities with the relevant information to have the matter resolved prior to the trial date.
Then there would have been no sensation in the court and of more importance, no interruption and delay to proceedings.
Snip
After preliminary remarks the trial was halted before it could begin when CB’s defence team filed a motion rejecting one of the lay judges on grounds of bias.

The court will make a final decision on whether to replace the lay judge ahead of the next sitting in a week’s time.

Rape trial involving Madeleine McCann suspect adjourned over alleged ‘assassination’ posts

Alleged victims of Christian Brückner include Dublin woman

www.irishtimes.com

Little wonder the trial eventually got off, just a week later as the die was cast for the chaotic vehicle the trial was to become.
Which is why I think there may be grounds for appeal.
Snip
CB’s lawyers plan to lodge further motions, arguing the defendant is unlikely to face a fair trial due to the scale and nature of reporting linking him to the three-year-old’s disappearance.

 

[Hygge]

I often asked myself what evidence gave the defence CB is innocent in these 5 cases? None. No alibi, no witnesses who speak positive about him, no witnesses confirming his credibility nothing, niente, nada. It was all downplaying the victims and witnesses. So for me he is not innocent because of the facts, only innocent because of llack of evidence which does not make him innocent at all.
According to the 8 cases, the 5 we had already so I doubt there will be further investigations because you can only be convicted of a crime only once in Germany. HCW was sure there are other crimes so maybe more victims came up in the last time, who knows.
If crimes happened in Germany, maybe Hanover so it will be another prosecution and not the BKA, it will be a local crime police. Not sure, if, we will hear about it.

 

[Hygge]

The case of Monika P is again on the main page of the local crime police in Hanover. Looks like a reopening.

„Mordkommission Rose“ erhofft sich neue Zeugenhinweise | Polizeidirektion Hannover

Although CB lived only hundreds of meters away, he gave dna but it was not a match to those on the rubbish bags. I don’t think it was him but there were rumours in the papers:

Maddie McCann Suspect Allegedly Admitted To Murdering Prostitute Ex-Girlfriend In 2010

The main suspect behind the case of Madeleine McCann allegedly confessed to a former friend that he killed his ex-girlfriend in 2010 by accident when he was drunk.

www.latintimes.com

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B told pal he murdered former girlfriend

MADELEINE McCann suspect Christian B once told a pal that he had murdered a former girlfriend. The man, called Aberle, said Christian B, 44, admitted he “accidentally killed” the woman when he was …

www.thesun.co.uk