NOT GUILTY Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #6

[C.greek]

Yes, but it’s an entirely different point.

I am not sure that the police pursue all similar criminals with such vigour.

Do you know of a similar criminal in Germany that had such offences in jail and was not pursued?

 

[ChatteringBirds]

But as we read, the 1400 Euro is the fine for driving drunk? Who on earth supports that?

What do you mean here? Do you think it's too high a fine?

 

[Davieson]

Do you know of a similar criminal in Germany that had such offences in jail and was not pursued?

I don't. Do you ?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

But according to the reports these are different departments that are charging him for offences in jail. I don't see how the prosecution for MM/rape cases is involved.

When did the offences occur? Is it just coincidence that when the Braunschweig prosecutor needs to keep him locked up, several minor offences from the past are charged. I don’t believe they are not related - I can’t accept that.

 

[RichardKimble]

When did the offences occur? Is it just coincidence that when the Braunschweig prosecutor needs to keep him locked up, several minor offences from the past are charged. I don’t believe they are not related - I can’t accept that.

The drink drive offence was from 2016,and only in persuance of monies owed now ? mighty coincidence to be chasing it now in the form of days to be served if the fine isn't paid with reports saying they're in a race against time in the MM case, so need him locked up where they know where he is.Like you say what can it be if not related.

 

[RichardKimble]

Do you know of a similar criminal in Germany that had such offences in jail and was not pursued?

We only know of this because of the alleged link to the MM case, without it no one would be any the wiser.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Do you know of a similar criminal in Germany that had such offences in jail and was not pursued?

No but I can see the resources that have been expended on CB and common sense tells m that this isn’t financially viable for all such criminals.

 

[LenaOdenthal]

When did the offences occur? Is it just coincidence that when the Braunschweig prosecutor needs to keep him locked up, several minor offences from the past are charged. I don’t believe they are not related - I can’t accept that.

Isn't it possible that they are related, simply in the sense that when coming up to release, if you have fine-able offences on your prison record, you are asked to either pay the fines, which he can't, or have them converted into extra time? This would have to be processed a couple of months before being due to be released as a matter of course.

No but I can see the resources that have been expended on CB and common sense tells m that this isn’t financially viable for all such criminals.

Honestly, while not claiming any knowledge of the prison system, it is entirely normal in Germany for every little thing to be taken to court. It's an extremely litigious country. The fact of "Beleidigung", insult, being an offence is surprising to many people from other countries but it is true. It is also the case that many ordinary everyday people have legal insurance, in case you get into a dispute with a neighbour about a hedge or something. Not kidding! JMO

 

[LenaOdenthal]

Sorry, I see the driving offence was obviously not incurred while incarcerated. Still, it's just tough kitty if offences come to light while you happen to be in custody, isn't it (notwithstanding the extradition issues from before). They have to be dealt with before release.

 

[RichardKimble]

Sorry, I see the driving offence was obviously not incurred while incarcerated. Still, it's just tough kitty if offences come to light while you happen to be in custody, isn't it (notwithstanding the extradition issues from before). They have to be dealt with before release.

The recent BZ article says that in Sept 2015 he was found to be drink driving, false number plates and no insurance, court case in June 2016 fined a total of 90 days @ € 15 each equals €1350, question is why getting on 9 yrs later is it only being dealt with now ,what are we missing ?

 

[Davieson]

The recent BZ article says that in Sept 2015 he was found to be drink driving, false number plates and no insurance, court case in June 2016 fined a total of 90 days @ € 15 each equals €1350, question is why getting on 9 yrs later is it only being dealt with now ,what are we missing ?

Should have been delt with when he was released in 2017? prior to his arrest in Italy.
I suspect it was probably overlooked at the time, as his release was said to be an error.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Isn't it possible that they are related, simply in the sense that when coming up to release, if you have fine-able offences on your prison record, you are asked to either pay the fines, which he can't, or have them converted into extra time? This would have to be processed a couple of months before being due to be released as a matter of course.



Honestly, while not claiming any knowledge of the prison system, it is entirely normal in Germany for every little thing to be taken to court. It's an extremely litigious country. The fact of "Beleidigung", insult, being an offence is surprising to many people from other countries but it is true. It is also the case that many ordinary everyday people have legal insurance, in case you get into a dispute with a neighbour about a hedge or something. Not kidding! JMO

Contrary to your view is that of Phillip Marquort: “I mean, give me a break. Nobody else would have been accused in this way other than Mr Brueckner. With any other prisoner, they would just lock them up for two weeks in solitary confinement.” He part of CB’s legal team, as the reporting goes, they are the best criminal defence lawyers in Germany.

Irrespective of the nuances of the German law, it is clear action is underway to maintain CB’s incarceration longer than is usual.

 

[Davieson]

Contrary to your view is that of Phillip Marquort: “I mean, give me a break. Nobody else would have been accused in this way other than Mr Brueckner. With any other prisoner, they would just lock them up for two weeks in solitary confinement.” He part of CB’s legal team, as the reporting goes, they are the best criminal defence lawyers in Germany.

Irrespective of the nuances of the German law, it is clear action is underway to maintain CB’s incarceration longer than is usual.

I agree. Think its naive to suggest that because the jurisdiction is different, that prosecutors don't talk to one another.

 

[RichardKimble]

Should have been delt with when he was released in 2017? prior to his arrest in Italy.
I suspect it was probably overlooked at the time, as his release was said to be an error.

Seems to be a comedy of errors in regards CB, errors in releases, illegal searches of property, concrete evidence five years ago are now no end in sight.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Should have been delt with when he was released in 2017? prior to his arrest in Italy.
I suspect it was probably overlooked at the time, as his release was said to be an error.

His run-ins with the law are over a long period and numerous - plenty of opportunity to royally pi$$ them off.

 

[johnlair]

Seems to be a comedy of errors in regards CB, errors in releases, illegal searches of property, concrete evidence five years ago are now no end in sight.

Personally I believe he's just being fined for offences that have occured in the prison system and outstanding debts for crimes he has not paid for... I think he's got off easy to be honest .. he's had a lifetime of crossing borders and avoiding authorities....its a difficult department and has nothing to do with the MM case... There are however many co-incidences as it was worded to do with his whereabouts and modus operandi during 2006-2007 shame he wasn't looked into more at the the time yes

 

[LenaOdenthal]

I agree. Think its naive to suggest that because the jurisdiction is different, that prosecutors don't talk to one another.

I've no problem believing that prosecutors do talk to each other.

Equally, as far as defence lawyers go, "he would say that, wouldn't he?"

No-one has brought forward an actual named comparator, understandable given the convention in Germany of reporting on court cases with the first names and initials only. It's a little harder to track cases. But the point made by Hygge earlier stands, it's not implausible that the prison system has a firm policy of prosecuting offences against staff.

Seems to be a comedy of errors in regards CB, errors in releases, illegal searches of property, concrete evidence five years ago are now no end in sight.

And given this, they are now determined to do everything by the book and leave no stone unexpunged?

 

[RichardKimble]

I've no problem believing that prosecutors do talk to each other.

Equally, as far as defence lawyers go, "he would say that, wouldn't he?"

No-one has brought forward an actual named comparator, understandable given the convention in Germany of reporting on court cases with the first names and initials only. It's a little harder to track cases. But the point made by Hygge earlier stands, it's not implausible that the prison system has a firm policy of prosecuting offences against staff.



And given this, they are now determined to do everything by the book and leave no stone unexpunged?

Only right and proper but if that final piece of evidence is either unobtainable or doesn't point to CB then at some stage it'll have to be dropped, since 2017 he's been investigated I'd venture they're at the stage I've mentioned.

 

[RichardKimble]

Personally I believe he's just being fined for offences that have occured in the prison system and outstanding debts for crimes he has not paid for... I think he's got off easy to be honest .. he's had a lifetime of crossing borders and avoiding authorities....its a difficult department and has nothing to do with the MM case... There are however many co-incidences as it was worded to do with his whereabouts and modus operandi during 2006-2007 shame he wasn't looked into more at the the time yes

One caveat, no sign of a break in ,in 5a.All victims prior (child) were not attempted abduction nor later ones, so there is no modus in abduction or alleged abduction.

 

[Megnut]

One caveat, no sign of a break in ,in 5a.All victims prior (child) were not attempted abduction nor later ones, so there is no modus in abduction or alleged abduction.

Why would there be a sign of a break in? He was a seasoned cat prowler.

Gain entry, loot for cash, swipe a child.

For me, the biggest question I have is whether he knew she was there, even before he entered, whether tipped off to it or self-surveilled.

JMO