Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #6

[DetectiveDraper]

You just made a thought pop into my head…do you think it’s possible there were ripped out pages of a bible left with the victims? Is it possible that this was never disclosed?

I wouldn't rule anything out at this point. Unfortunately.

 

[Megnut]

Someone asked me yesterday why I thought Heuermann, an architect, would allow his own home to look in such disrepair. I flippantly replied, " Because it's his childhood binky ? ". Later in the day I was sitting on the porch having coffee, and I recalled that conversation. The more I got to thinking about it, the more I started to think that I really, unintentionally , might have hit on something. Anyone who has ever had a child knows that a child's blankie is their security. They pitch a fit if you wash it, or try to sew it when it gets ratty, etc. etc. Basically, they want it exactly how it was when it first began to offer them comfort. If you think about RH's father dying when he was 12 years old (approaching puberty), and if the accounts of school mates are true that he was bullied and always left school and "had to get home to his mother "...that house could WELL be his security blanket.

(How's that for a goofy theory, InTheDetails ? )

This.

No stretch to imagine that he controlled how others moved within the home. Rooms no one was allowed into. I know of such a situation. No serial killing but inherited home, hoarding, serious social/mental dysfunctioning. The original parents' (notably the mother's) bedroom, maintained, almost like a shrine, no one allowed in. An office, walled in by stacks of newspapers and magazines, another room into which no one dared to go. Whole house in disrepair, rife with a million unfinished projects. And the argument: yes, I'll get to it but I don't have unlimited time. I work hard to provide for you.

Subtext: don't question me, don't make demands. Learn to live with it. Learn your place.

For them: good morning, Cognitive Dissonance. Hello, Powerlessness and Resignation.

IMO you're right. The whole house was his binky, his comfort zone. In the state it was. Don't wash his binky, don't fix his binky, don't touch his binky, don't question his binky.

Yikes.

 

[arielilane]

I'm not sure there is a widespread belief she is complicit - I assumed the opposite is true. The interest in her isn't because people think she was involved in the crimes but simply because she lived in the same house as an accused SK.

It would be nice if the local grocery store offered delivery service for a month or two, just to save her the walk in front of media to run regular household errands.

I live in the city and walk to the store for my own groceries. I have to go a few times a week because I can't carry everything for a week in one trip. This is not a small task for her, with two grown kids to also feed, plus heavy household items I'm sure she needs to put the home back together. She needs delivery service for awhile, imo, and the store could arrange that.

jmo

Partially agree with your post. Although there's no comparison to what victim Ms. is going through compared to others in the neighborhood who may be experiencing another type of hardship - where would the grocery store draw the line? If you assist one - you should assist all, imo.

Victim Ms. should not have to isolate because of her husband's actions. I get that we are a curious society and media no respect for boundaries.

moo

 

[arielilane]

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[Diddian]

I somehow thought that the house might just be affected by the Curse of the Inherited Home™.
There seem to be plenty of people who have inherited some property and who just don't upgrade that one at all. Of course, often it is because it is used as a second home or maybe there is even shared inheritance (neither were the case here). But I feel like there is a difference in how you approach the home that "has always been like that" vs something that you just buy from a random seller and what is a tabula rasa to you.

On another note, I hope the PD is working on identifying the other victims. This would clearly help with understanding, if these victims seem to have the same killer or not.

About the home: It looks like it has not been upgraded since it was constructed. The windows to the far right on the front of the home, which I assume are in bedrooms, look like they are likely too small to meet current egress requirements (openings have to be large enough to fit a firefighter carrying gear). Perhaps there are other elements of the home that also wouldn't pass muster if constructing today (e.g., passages narrower than 36", proper ventilation for oil- or gas-burning HVAC, etc).

I am guessing that, to gain a permit to perform ANY remodeling work on that home, one would have to spend the funds to bring everything up to current code.

Still doesn't explain the studs with exposed shims at top to support the roof at the front of the porch. It would seem any handyman or carpenter with a spare hour or two would have been able to construct a tidier and more permanent-looking solution to sagging support.

ETA: Makes me wonder why RH purchased the home from his mother. WAS his childhood home a comfort to him ("binky" as others have characterized it). Or, did RH's mother need the funds for her own elder care and RH didn't want the home being sold out of family? Or, did they attempt to sell and not receive offers outside the family? If so, did RH perhaps resent that he had to step in and take it over? Given that the home doesn't appear to have been lovingly kept up like one might expect with something highly valued, I kind of wonder if he had resentment about the home rather than that it was a comfort to him.

 

[sds71]

Exclusive: Cousin of slain teen from NJ breaks silence as Gilgo probe expands to Las Vegas

One of the cold cases garnering attention from law enforcement amid the developments in the Gilgo Beach murder case involves the slaying of a teenage mom from New Jersey whose body was found off a Las Vegas highway.

longisland.news12.com

 

[DetectiveDraper]

Just an observation. When I watched the interview with RH, he reminded me of an engineer I knew in the past who turned out to be an alcoholic, domestic abuser, a hoarder, whose mother controlled his entire life pretty much. He came from an affluent family where the mother managed everyone's finances. Sometimes I wonder if he could be into some dark things, because men who have "mommy issues" seem to be very unstable individuals. It was the grandiosity I saw that reminded I think.

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[charminglane]

Maybe he purchased the home from his mother because he had already started murdering and hiding some trophies there?
If she was unable to go up and down stairs as she aged, or he told her not to go down there, she may have not known what the hello was going on in her own basement.

 

[thefragile7393]

Animal cages

They did have animals in the house as well

 

[Jurisprudence]

I wonder if one of the victims was known to carry a small pocket bible in her purse and all of those personal items are missing?

Very possible. Or maybe underlined passages.

jmo.

 

[waldojabba]

About the home: It looks like it has not been upgraded since it was constructed. The windows to the far right on the front of the home, which I assume are in bedrooms, look like they are likely too small to meet current egress requirements (openings have to be large enough to fit a firefighter carrying gear). Perhaps there are other elements of the home that also wouldn't pass muster if constructing today (e.g., passages narrower than 36", proper ventilation for oil- or gas-burning HVAC, etc).

I am guessing that, to gain a permit to perform ANY remodeling work on that home, one would have to spend the funds to bring everything up to current code.

Still doesn't explain the studs with exposed shims at top to support the roof at the front of the porch. It would seem any handyman or carpenter with a spare hour or two would have been able to construct a tidier and more permanent-looking solution to sagging support.

ETA: Makes me wonder why RH purchased the home from his mother. WAS his childhood home a comfort to him ("binky" as others have characterized it). Or, did RH's mother need the funds for her own elder care and RH didn't want the home being sold out of family? Or, did they attempt to sell and not receive offers outside the family? If so, did RH perhaps resent that he had to step in and take it over? Given that the home doesn't appear to have been lovingly kept up like one might expect with something highly valued, I kind of wonder if he had resentment about the home rather than that it was a comfort to him.

I think you may have a point here. To me the house was just not a financial priority to him. He bought it from his mother I think bc he got a deal and prob could not have afforded a house at that point in life and the mother wanted out. My bet is that the house was never maintained well. I think he grew up living the same way - lots of deferred maintenance. Then it gets to a point where you don't really see it and it's not cost effective bc in a HCOL area
the house is a tear down anyway so the money you spend really has no pay back down the road economically.

I also do not want to discount the effect of genetics here on the killers behaviors. There is a quote from one of the articles about the Dad:
"Some neighbors recalled that when Rex Heuermann's father lived in that same house, he used to go jogging. They said he went jogging with an axe. That rumor is unconfirmed."
So maybe its just a case of the boys, Rex and his brother, inheriting a little too much of the father's dna. Nature/nurture/environment - its tricky imo.

I think its also possible that with all the time he says he spent in the shop with his Dad that he may resent that it was the Dad to die early and not the Mom. Making him resent women on a subconscious level. Add to that the whole madonna / thing with the killings. Good chaste and pure Madonna's and then the Bad promiscous and seductive "".

We only have a pin prick of data so all speculation. JMO

The serial killer next door: Gilgo Task Force seizes refrigerator, freezer, 2 cars at his Massapequa house | C.J.Teevan | NewsBreak Original

He was a mystery, this successful architect who grew up and lived in a little red house with green trim in Massapequa Park, a quiet, quaint community of ordinary people where an architect lived.

original.newsbreak.com

 

[dotr]

Exclusive: Cousin of slain teen from NJ breaks silence as Gilgo probe expands to Las Vegas

One of the cold cases garnering attention from law enforcement amid the developments in the Gilgo Beach murder case involves the slaying of a teenage mom from New Jersey whose body was found off a Las Vegas highway.

longisland.news12.com

Unless i missed it, could not find a thread, used your link to get this one started, ty.

NV - NV- Victoria Camara, teen mom, body dumped in the desert, US 95, mile marker 52, murdered in Las Vegas area, 11 Aug.2003 *New initiative*

https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Homicide/Pages/casesbyyear2000-2009.aspx Case #: 030811-0649 Victim: Victoria Camara Date: August 11, 2003 Synopsis: On 08/11/2003 at approximately 0718 hours, Steven Webb, a gravel truck driver discovered the body of a Hispanic female in the desert area just south of...

www.websleuths.com

 

[SonsOfCain]

You just made a thought pop into my head…do you think it’s possible there were ripped out pages of a bible left with the victims? Is it possible that this was never disclosed?

Funny you say that because I was wondering the same thing.

 

[CuriousCricket]

I wonder if one of the victims was known to carry a small pocket bible in her purse and all of those personal items are missing?

I've known people who carried New Testaments.

 

[HecatesDaughter]

Someone asked me yesterday why I thought Heuermann, an architect, would allow his own home to look in such disrepair. I flippantly replied, " Because it's his childhood binky ? ". Later in the day I was sitting on the porch having coffee, and I recalled that conversation. The more I got to thinking about it, the more I started to think that I really, unintentionally , might have hit on something. Anyone who has ever had a child knows that a child's blankie is their security. They pitch a fit if you wash it, or try to sew it when it gets ratty, etc. etc. Basically, they want it exactly how it was when it first began to offer them comfort. If you think about RH's father dying when he was 12 years old (approaching puberty), and if the accounts of school mates are true that he was bullied and always left school and "had to get home to his mother "...that house could WELL be his security blanket.

(How's that for a goofy theory, InTheDetails ? )

I think you could honestly be onto something, even if he doesn't honestly know it himself. Sometimes it can be an unconscious thing. I have lived in this house most of my life, I've suffered in this house, I have great triggers in this house. But this is the house that is home for me. I can't fathom changing it a great deal or ever having it sold etc. It's what I know, what I've always known.

It could be the same for him. What he's known. Yeah I think upkeep would be in order, but, if it's how it always was you can overlook it. Especially if his focus was elsewhere like his double life. But I think you might be onto something from a psychological stand point.

 

[Ruminations]

They did have animals in the house as well

And an older animal could have sent fur to a crime scene via the murderer.

 

[waldojabba]

I think the Newsday article overestimates Heuermann's fees. Although the projects Heuermann was involved with may have totaled $68.1 million, the role he played may have been limited to expediting permits, analyzing code compliance and services other than design and construction documents. He would only get fees in the vicinity of 10% to 15% if he was the architect who signed and stamped the construction drawings. However, his services are of the type hired by other architects (and building owners) to facilitate navigating NYC's complex permit and code procedures. Heuermann's role would be limited, and he wouldn't get the entire fee unless he was responsible for the entire project, including design, construction documents and engineering consultants. IMO his fees would be much less.

The fee range noted is used by some architects, but others mainly use hourly fees.

totally agree @Warwick1991 - you don't always get big fees esp when you are low man on the totem pole. On the other hand if he was really good at what he did he could always negotiate. I guess it just depends upon how good his competition was and how many of them there are.
But lets just say for arguments sake "in the decades" leading up to the arrest he earned 10% of total project costs. So 10% of 68m is 6.8m.Divide that by a conservative 20 years ( it was longer) - and that leaves you with 340k a year to pay the rent on the office/pay your employees/ business taxes etc
Plus then pay yourself and support a household of 4. On Long Island. Sounds like a lot of money if you live in Oklahoma or a LCOL area IMO but not where he lived.

If these numbers are close - and I have no idea obvi - then he was living on a very tight budget IMO

 

[Inthedetails]

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It could be as easy as the grocery store where the employee said the wife shopped for years and years offered to deliver their groceries once a week for a month - they don't have to donate the groceries, just drive them to the house. It doesn't need to complicated, imo. She doesn't need to be housebound, but I myself would want to lay low until at least the press moves on to something else. If there is nothing to report at the house, the press won't stick around. But watching the wife walk to the grocery store is a photo op - so starve them of that opportunity for awhile.

jmo

 

[Dotta]

"Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann was a 'loner' who developed a 'mean streak' after being bullied at high school.

Speaking at their 40 year high school reunion, former classmates of the architect, 59, described him as a 'victim' who had a difficult home life and a miserable time at school.

John Parisi told the New York Times: 'He got picked on a lot. He would take it and take it and walk away. I seen him pushed to his limit.'

Heuermann was described as 'awkward', and became 'larger and more menacing' in high school after students tortured him verbally.'

Parisi added: 'I was really scared of him. He was the type of guy if he snapped he could really hurt you.'

'He was disillusioned and he was misguided. You had to be very careful.'

Others described Heuermann as an 'outcast' and 'nerdy', who was in the drama club as a stagehand but had few friends."

Rex Heuermann's high school reunion classmates say he was a loner

Former classmates of the architect, 59, described him as a 'victim' who had a difficult home life and an even harder school one.

www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[NyxNY]

IMO some who really "worked with the police dept" would not be making this call

Bingo.