Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[fred&edna]

This news report gave me pause but I suppose they are NOT saying his direct DNA can be entered into databases immediately. (Obviously, I'm still unhappy about his DNA not being entered into CODIS when he was arrested)


The judge said a comparison of Heuermann’s direct DNA sample with the mitochondrial sample from a hair recovered from one of the victims and the DNA found on the pizza crust outside Heuermann’s office “will yield probative material evidence, whether it is inculpatory or not.”

A direct DNA sample could also be entered into statewide and nationwide databases. Mitochondrial DNA is ineligible.

Judge orders Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann to submit DNA sample

A judge has ordered suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann to turn in a DNA swab.

abcnews.go.com

 

[kittythehare]

 

[DS2021]

I pray we have DNA from the Atlantic City murders. I would bet my farm that was Heuermann.

LE Has already ruled him out

 

[kittythehare]

LE Has already ruled him out

They do what they do and we do what we do..

 

[DS2021]

How sure can they be that Atlantic 4 ARE NOT HIS WORK WHEN THEY DON'T YET HAVE FULL Dna?

Those 4 killings happened very close together time wise, they may have been able to rule him out due to that. Regardless, I hope his DNA gets submitted into CODIS

 

[kittythehare]

Those 4 killings happened very close together time wise, they may have been able to rule him out due to that. Regardless, I hope his DNA gets submitted into CODIS

how quickly were their bodies discovered?
There is a discrepancy between date of discovery of bodies and dates of death in GB cases.
We know when they went missing but we don't know when they died.
Many of us suspect he kept them alive for some time before disposing of them, it was years before they were discovered.

 

[LadyL]

RH buccal swab has been Court Ordered on 15 August 2023.

DNA doesn't lie.

It's science.

can't wait

 

[Warwick7]

That's one investigative detail we need to know more about. She was high and dry and on a bush? And by the highway.

Dogs allegedly couldn't get in there, but Shannan, who probably weighed about the same as the dogs and had less strength, could? Without shoes or pants?

No bone tests for evidence of drowning?

With her bra cut open? Her hyoid bone drilled?

Face up?

And they saw her there months before but let evidence age until December to go in? There was no reason to wait.

And LE called it "misadventure" before even locating her on foot and seeing if she appeared dumped carefully, carelessly or appeared to collapse there. (Face up doesn't sound like the more likely collapse.)

LE wouldn't release the 911 tape because it was "evidence," but also said that there was no crime? LE had to release the call with a press conference announcing what they heated and playing out of context clips, while showing a misleading photograph of the marsh?

With contradicting accounts by witnesses?

I want to see the case records. They are probably empty. No serious interviews. No serious investigtion. No info on if the body appeared dumped, staged, etc.

Most of all, Pak and Brewer were very irrational that night. If they wanted to blow her off, they could have done so. Pak go home, Brewer say leave or I'll call the police. If they wanted to help her, and she would not just get in the car and go home, they should have embraced the 911 call and asked for an ambulance. Why did Pak and Brewer not ask her why she screamed on tape? Why didn't they ask her what she was afraid of outside? Why didn't they ask her what made her think "they" were going to kill her? They must have known why she was screaming, and what she was afraid of, and what she meant by "they" are trying to kill her.

Where are the interviews with LE by Brewer and Pak?

MOO

Excellent!!!!

 

[LadyL]

It's always in the eyes for me with these guys. Something creepy about his eyes....

JMO

their eyes are dead - nothing there
I call them soulless eyes

 

[LadyL]

Hopefully this question comes across how it is intended, (I DO consider Rex's wife and children to be victims of HIS crimes).

Would his immediate family qualify for the "Victim's Compensation Program" if they were not direct victims of a crime in a legal sense? i.e. they weren't injured, robbed, etc directly by Rex in a prosecutable sense? Reading the site regarding the fund makes it seem like they wouldn't qualify for this specific program, but maybe there are others?

Victim Compensation

Learn more about compensation eligibility and how to file a claim online or by mail.

ovs.ny.gov

wow I hope they're eligible
where I live, witnesses and even jurors can apply for victim's compensation

 

[kittythehare]

My blood just ran cold when I heard him say that..

I deeply truly and sincerely want to be wrong about this.

 

[dotr]

Possible Victim: Shannan Gilbert, 24, missing May 2010, found Oak Beach Dec 2011 #3

What really strikes me is Pak’s apparent lack of concern for the fact that Shannan is obviously terrified. He doesn’t make any attempt to actually ask her why she’s scared and he’s laughing at her while she’s calling 911. At best, he is a huge jerk. MOO At worst, he doesn't need to ask because...

www.websleuths.com

''Aug 10 2023 rbbm

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s ‘disturbing’ behavior before arrest – and why cops can’t rule out another killer

Heuermann still engaged in “disturbing” behavior while police tailed him in the months before his arrest.

nypost.com

''Suspected Gilgo Beach murderer Rex Heuermann was still engaged in “disturbing” behavior while being tailed right up until his arrest, the top cop in the case revealed — while refusing to rule out the possibility that another Long Island serial killer could still be on the loose.

“I can’t talk about if he was preparing to kill again,” Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison told Newsday Wednesday of married father of two Heuermann.

But “he’s somebody that was still engaging in activity that was disturbing, be it his internet searches, be it engaging in other activities that he shouldn’t be engaging in.

“That’s something I was very, very passionate about, regarding ‘we need to see what his lifestyle is,'” he said of the intense surveillance leading up to his arrest.

Harrison defended calling 59-year-old architect Heuermann “a demon that walks among us” and a “predator” at a press conference the day after the bombshell arrest.''

I’m very confident that Mr. Heuermann’s our subject,” he told the outlet in a video interview.

“Because of my confidence, I’m gonna call him what I wanna call him — somebody that ruined families, somebody who’s a predator, somebody who shattered lives.

“And not just one, several, and there may be more. I didn’t say that there is, but there may be more. If the family members have a problem with me calling him a demon, then I’ll apologize.”

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“I can’t talk about if he was preparing to kill again,” Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison told Newsday Wednesday of married father of two Heuermann.

But “he’s somebody that was still engaging in activity that was disturbing, be it his internet searches, be it engaging in other activities that he shouldn’t be engaging in.

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s ‘disturbing’ behavior before arrest – and why cops can’t rule out another killer

Heuermann still engaged in “disturbing” behavior while police tailed him in the months before his arrest.

nypost.com

 

[dotr]

''Aug 9, 2023 #newyork #police #investigation
Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney K. Harrison came to the NewsdayTV studios for a one-on-one interview on the state of the investigation with Newsday's Joye Brown.''

'Rex Heuermann's defense attorney opposes DNA swab request from prosecutors in Gilgo Beach serial killer trial.'

 

[dotr]

• <modsnip - off topic question>
• Jul 14 2023
• 

Gilgo suspect was bullied in high school & friend-zoned after locker note

GILGO Beach murder suspect Rex Heuermann was bullied in high school and left odd, unsolicited love notes in a girl’s locker asking, “Do you like me? Yes/No”, an ex-classmate has r…

www.the-sun.com

''GILGO Beach murder suspect Rex Heuermann was bullied in high school and left odd, unsolicited love notes in a girl's locker asking, "Do you like me? Yes/No", an ex-classmate has revealed.''

''Holpit said Heuermann was mostly picked on by boys who would hurl insults at him as he walked through the school's hallways.
She would offer Heuermann reassurance, but she claims he mistook her kindness for romantic interest.
"He'd leave me these notes that were just high school kind of things," Holpit recounted.''

 

[Lore Listener]

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Gilgo suspect was bullied in high school & friend-zoned after locker note

GILGO Beach murder suspect Rex Heuermann was bullied in high school and left odd, unsolicited love notes in a girl’s locker asking, “Do you like me? Yes/No”, an ex-classmate has r…

www.the-sun.com

''GILGO Beach murder suspect Rex Heuermann was bullied in high school and left odd, unsolicited love notes in a girl's locker asking, "Do you like me? Yes/No", an ex-classmate has revealed.''

''Holpit said Heuermann was mostly picked on by boys who would hurl insults at him as he walked through the school's hallways.
She would offer Heuermann reassurance, but she claims he mistook her kindness for romantic interest.
"He'd leave me these notes that were just high school kind of things," Holpit recounted.''

This is very sad and I hate the way adolescents bully. That said, I was bullied at least this badly in HS and I grew up to be a social worker rather than a serial killer! I wonder what the difference is between bullied kids who grow up to be champions of the underdog and those who want to punish other underdogs. I can't help but think part of it is gender and entitlement. I would think we'd have to look at school shooters in this equation. Would RH have become a mass shooter rather than an SK if he was born a decade or two later? Shoot the kids tormenting him (or more likely some innocents in the wrong place at the wrong time) rather than letting the rage simmer and stew for years?

 

[SonsOfCain]

This is very sad and I hate the way adolescents bully. That said, I was bullied at least this badly in HS and I grew up to be a social worker rather than a serial killer! I wonder what the difference is between bullied kids who grow up to be champions of the underdog and those who want to punish other underdogs. I can't help but think part of it is gender and entitlement. I would think we'd have to look at school shooters in this equation. Would RH have become a mass shooter rather than an SK if he was born a decade or two later? Shoot the kids tormenting him (or more likely some innocents in the wrong place at the wrong time) rather than letting the rage simmer and stew for years?

Same. I remember getting bullied and beaten up throughout my early years, but I would never put someone else through that because I remember how it made me feel and how much it sucked.

As for why some people grow up to punish the underdogs as you put it? I’ve always wondered that myself. That’s the biggest reason why I think I am so interested in serial killers-that psychological aspect. As you said, there are SO many people who were abused or tortured or neglected or went through horrific things themselves as kids, but they don’t grow up to be killers. But some do. And I think there are a number of factors that contribute to it: neglect, parental/family involvement in their children’s lives, trauma, sometimes brain damage could be a factor, etc.

Sometimes I also think there are a few rare cases where someone was just born evil (I know this is probably a controversial statement) and the darkness that lives inside them just lays dormant until their later years, when certain factors or events come together and create a perfect storm. They could have a perfectly happy and “normal” childhood, with loving parental figures, but still grow up to be killers.

 

[Teche]

"They're constantly … having to reevaluate what is happening to them, almost in real-time," said Mitev. "Obviously, the deplorable conditions that their house was left in — torn apart from the floorboards to the shingles, basically, is their paramount concern."

Mitev added the children are also "trying to regain some basic sense of normalcy, which is completely impossible at this point. They're living in a surreal, waking horror show."

Mitev characterized Victoria and Christopher, who has developmental disabilities, as "bystanders who are caught up in this developing legal case of the century."

He said he was hired to protect "their rights and liberties," especially since the investigation is "now heating up

Long Island Serial Killer Suspect's Kids Living in 'Waking Horror Show,' Attorney Says

'They're constantly … having to reevaluate what is happening to them, almost in real-time,' said lawyer Vess Mitev

themessenger.com

Did the daughter have her own apartment? If so, I would hope the family you stay there as opposed to the family home.

 

[Justice101]

Anyone know the address of the property he owned in South Carolina... <modsnip - encouraging the sleuthing of a non-POI>

 

[x_files]

This is very sad and I hate the way adolescents bully. That said, I was bullied at least this badly in HS and I grew up to be a social worker rather than a serial killer! I wonder what the difference is between bullied kids who grow up to be champions of the underdog and those who want to punish other underdogs. I can't help but think part of it is gender and entitlement. I would think we'd have to look at school shooters in this equation. Would RH have become a mass shooter rather than an SK if he was born a decade or two later? Shoot the kids tormenting him (or more likely some innocents in the wrong place at the wrong time) rather than letting the rage simmer and stew for years?

Some people cannot handle rejection well, now add toxic masculinity where boys are told or were told to not take no for an answer ever or you'll appear weak. I've noticed lots of sadistic crimes are traced back to feelings of inferiority, and rejection.