Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Betty P]

RH has been linked to Waterman’s body through a hair found on her that was his. 3 hairs were supposedly found on her remains, another of which is linked to Asa. According to what I have heard the other 2 remains RH has been charged with each had a hair of Asa’s on them, not his. When and how did they obtain Asa’s DNA……. RH’s was obtained from the pizza box but what about Asa? Was it before Rex was arrested or after ? All that has been said is she is a victim, and was away each time Rex acted. Her lawyer has instructed her not to talk.
I ask because I watched the Court TV piece and am having a tough time buying into the whole story as presented. It was more like a made for TV , over dramatized , 3 ring circus. Her lawyer tells her not to talk , yet here she is ? The program made a big deal about his guns , yet he has only been accused of waving around a pistol, none of the victims were shot, they were supposedly strangled. There is a lot missing that obviously we aren’t privy too, but it seems that with each press conference, TV show, etc there are more questions raised than settled. How in the world can anyone say that the first 3 murders are solved and tips are not needed for those 3 cases? The more we hear the more convoluted the cases get! JMO

True, a lot more investigation needs to be done on the other victims. The case for the victims Rex is charged with killing is pretty good, though more information is always helpful. Rex is also tied to these victims by digital data from his computer and all his burner cell phones. He used a different burner phone to contact each victim. LE traced his calls to those victims and his movements to the times these women were killed. The DNA reinforces the connection. There's also the physical description of Rex and his green Avalanche, witnessed by Dave Schaller, a roommate of one of the victims, Amber Costello. He heard her having multiple conversations with the customer, then saw her leave the house and meet the customer down the street.

Dave Schaller came face to face with alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann; 12 years later, his tip helped crack the case

As police comb through the home of a man charged in a string of serial killings in New York, one witness is frustrated it took so long to solve the crime.

www.cbsnews.com

Dave gave the description of the john and his truck to detectives in 2010, just after Amber went missing.

Investigators were also able to triangulate phone records for calls made from the killer to victims (before the murders) and their family members (after the murders). They determined it was someone who likely worked in a certain area of Manhattan and lived in a general area that included Massapequa Park. When they rediscovered the physical description of Rex and his green Chevy Avalanche, they did a search and found his name in the BMV records.

Here's another link that ties it together

"Avalanche" of evidence: How a Chevy, a strand of hair and a pizza box led police to the Gilgo Beach suspect

Investigators re-examined old clues that led to the suspect and developed new evidence to close in on him after so many years, say prosecutors.

www.cbsnews.com

Rex's wife's hair was matched to hairs found on 2 victims by removing trash from outside the Heuermann home and analyzing the contents

In July 2022, 11 bottles were collected from a trash can outside of the Heuermann home and sent for mitochondrial DNA testing. DNA profiles generated from the bottles were tested against previously tested hair samples recovered on the remains of Megan Waterman and Amber Costello. Results found that Heuermann's wife could not be excluded from either of the female hairs recovered on the remains of Waterman and Costello. The hair was believed to have been transferred from her husband's clothing. Heuermann's wife was out-of-state at the time of each of the murders, according to the court filing. She has not been charged.

 

[Ruminations]

RH has been linked to Waterman’s body through a hair found on her that was his. 3 hairs were supposedly found on her remains, another of which is linked to Asa. According to what I have heard the other 2 remains RH has been charged with each had a hair of Asa’s on them, not his. When and how did they obtain Asa’s DNA……. RH’s was obtained from the pizza box but what about Asa? Was it before Rex was arrested or after ? All that has been said is she is a victim, and was away each time Rex acted. Her lawyer has instructed her not to talk.
I ask because I watched the Court TV piece and am having a tough time buying into the whole story as presented. It was more like a made for TV , over dramatized , 3 ring circus. Her lawyer tells her not to talk , yet here she is ? The program made a big deal about his guns , yet he has only been accused of waving around a pistol, none of the victims were shot, they were supposedly strangled. There is a lot missing that obviously we aren’t privy too, but it seems that with each press conference, TV show, etc there are more questions raised than settled. How in the world can anyone say that the first 3 murders are solved and tips are not needed for those 3 cases? The more we hear the more convoluted the cases get! JMO

Wait, are you talking about the show filmed in Asa's house? That's out?

I understand that LE got Asa's abandoned DNA samples from the recycles left out on the curb. Which is interesting. It takes an effort for a HH member to have NO interaction at all with the family's recycles. Was he consciously NOT throwing out his spit? They had to grab that in Manhattan.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Wait, are you talking about the show filmed in Asa's house? That's out?

I understand that LE got Asa's abandoned DNA samples from the recycles left out on the curb. Which is interesting. It takes an effort for a HH member to have NO interaction at all with the family's recycles. Was he consciously NOT throwing out his spit? They had to grab that in Manhattan.

MOO

My hunch is they knew another male was in the household so were making sure to isolate Rex' DNA. I don't know that as fact, just guessing. LE visually confirmed it was Rex who threw away the pizza.

jmo

 

[Forest_Wood]

Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann's wife visits

The wife of alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann will attend court to see for herself if there is evidence he committed the atrocities he is accused of.

www.dailymail.co.uk

AE wants to attend the trial to see for herself if he did it.

I guess she still has doubts IMO.

'Certainly, not what John Ray is saying, she wants to hear and see for herself what is presented in court,' Macedonia added in reference to John Ray who is a lawyer for the families of two women found dead on the east New York peninsula.

 

[Ruminations]

Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann's wife visits

The wife of alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann will attend court to see for herself if there is evidence he committed the atrocities he is accused of.

www.dailymail.co.uk

AE wants to attend the trial to see for herself if he did it.

I guess she still has doubts IMO.

'Certainly, not what John Ray is saying, she wants to hear and see for herself what is presented in court,' Macedonia added in reference to John Ray who is a lawyer for the families of two women found dead on the east New York peninsula.

I can't wrap my head around how she stays so calm and objective. It's hard enough for complete strangers to not jump in with more emotion.

I am sure I'd either be screaming they got the wrong man, or very disgusted that they seemed to have the right one, and being too hard on myself for things that weren't my fault, like traveling to give the killer some privacy.

The last thing I could imagine is saying, "oh well, let's see what evidence they have.."

But, it is what it is. That is the way Asa is responding. Maybe it's better not to get all emotional about false incarceration and/or serial killing.

MOO

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Wait, are you talking about the show filmed in Asa's house? That's out?

I understand that LE got Asa's abandoned DNA samples from the recycles left out on the curb. Which is interesting. It takes an effort for a HH member to have NO interaction at all with the family's recycles. Was he consciously NOT throwing out his spit? They had to grab that in Manhattan.

MOO

If RH doesn’t drink from bottles or cans… then no spit in the recycling. Asa doing food prep & serving, RH touching none of it.

 

[Forest_Wood]

I can't wrap my head around how she stays so calm and objective. It's hard enough for complete strangers to not jump in with more emotion.

I am sure I'd either be screaming they got the wrong man, or very disgusted that they seemed to have the right one, and being too hard on myself for things that weren't my fault, like traveling to give the killer some privacy.

The last thing I could imagine is saying, "oh well, let's see what evidence they have.."

But, it is what it is. That is the way Asa is responding. Maybe it's better not to get all emotional about false incarceration and/or serial killing.

MOO

I'd like to know if it's considered normal behaviour for family members of men charged w/serial killing to want to be in the courtroom hearing/seeing all the evidence and gory details?

 

[Betty P]

I can't wrap my head around how she stays so calm and objective. It's hard enough for complete strangers to not jump in with more emotion.

I am sure I'd either be screaming they got the wrong man, or very disgusted that they seemed to have the right one, and being too hard on myself for things that weren't my fault, like traveling to give the killer some privacy.

The last thing I could imagine is saying, "oh well, let's see what evidence they have.."

But, it is what it is. That is the way Asa is responding. Maybe it's better not to get all emotional about false incarceration and/or serial killing.

MOO

I think she’s convinced he’s innocent. Her family has 4 attorneys (including Rex’s team) telling them that Rex will be acquitted, so she’s probably confident. It’s either that or bluster.

JMO, she’s going to back him all the way, regardless of all the evidence.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I'd like to know if it's considered normal behaviour for family members of men charged w/serial killing to want to be in the courtroom hearing/seeing all the evidence and gory details?

Maybe it’s to be included in her tell all-book …

 

[snarast]

Right. More will be learned when they finally identify the other victims. Not all of the victims had the testing and genetic genealogy work done yet to determine who they are. Like the other victims, once they know identities, they can investigate, where they lived, find witnesses who saw them last, etc.

Here's another good article about whether there are connections between Rex and victims who had body parts in both locations, as well as the one linked to Fire Island.

Rex Heuermann’s peculiar connection to ‘Manorville Butcher’ and victims’ scattered body parts

Four of the victims – known as the “Gilgo Beach 4” – have been connected to Heuermann, who is believed to be “LISK,” short for Long Island Serial Killer.

nypost.com

Who are the victims known as the 'Gilgo Four?' | Investigation timeline

The four victims were found within a quarter mile of one another.

abc7ny.com

It will be interesting to see if they can make a connection to Rex and victims whose body parts were found at both Gilgo Beach and Manorville. So far, AFAIK, that connection hasn't been made to him. That's such a puzzling part of these murders - the victims whose remains were found at GB and Manorville. Who did that and why?

ETA:
Jessica Taylor, one of victims whose remains were found at Manorville & Gilgo Beach was wrapped in burlap.

Jessica Taylor, First Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Victim To Be Identified, Was Found 20 Years Ago Wednesday

Twenty years ago on the morning of July 26, 2003, a woman walking her dog along secluded Halsey Manor Road in Manorville discovered a body that was later identified as that of Jessica Taylor. Eight years later, her additional remains were found 50 miles away on the side of Ocean Parkway.

www.longislandpress.com

Valerie Mack was the other victim whose death looked similar to Rex H's work. TBH, though, LE said serial killer Bitrolff was also a hunter. IIRC, I don't think he wrapped his victims in burlap, though. He posed them in sexual positions and they had one shoe removed. See link below.

2 other Gilgo Beach victims were tied up like a ‘hunter’ did it: investigator

MANORVILLE, Long Island (PIX11) — Wednesday marked 20 years since the headless and handless body of Jessica Taylor, a 20-year-old escort working out of New York City, was discovered in the wo…

pix11.com

And *when* were the body parts put there? I mean, distributing body parts like this seems a little bit unusual.

But if they were placed there later it could be a matter of opportunity and/or necessity - as in someone decided to dump treasured trophies when it seemed like a good opportunity to obfuscate and rid themselves.

But LE must know what is the case, so it is kind of silly to speculate I guess.

 

[dotr]

New lengthy article, also posted on this possibly associated thread..

Victim: Alicia Showalter Reynolds and the Route 29 Stalker, 2 March 1996

Just finished the new book Trailed today, about the Williams/Winans murder in Shenandoah. However, the book also spends a great deal of time talking about the Route 29 Stalker. I'd recommend it to anyone here, the author goes into a good bit of detail about this case particularly. On the topic...

www.websleuths.com

Mystery murderer 'looks like serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann'

The 1996 murder of Alicia Showalter Reynolds, 25, remains unsolved nearly thirty years later but her family are urging police to reexamine her case in connection with accused Gilgo Beach suspect.

www.dailymail.co.uk

12 November 2023​

''Route 29 Stalker victim's sister claims sketch of mystery murderer looks like Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann as she calls on cops to re-open decade's-old cold case​

• The 1996 murder of Alicia Showalter Reynolds, 25, remains unsolved nearly thirty years later but her family are urging police to reexamine her case
• The accused Gilgo Beach murder suspect, Rex Heuermann, 60, bears a potential resemblance to a police sketch of the presumed killer of Reynolds
• She was killed by the still unidentified Route 29 Stalker while driving from Baltimore to Charlottesville - her car was found as the side of the road ''
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Upon noticing the resemblance between Heuermann and a 1996 police sketch of the Route 29 Stalker, Alicia's family have urged investigators to delve deeper into the potential connection

Alicia's family recently noticed similarities between Gilgo Beach murder suspect Rex Heuermann, right, and the 1996 sketch of the Route 29 Stalker, pictured above

 

[Forest_Wood]

I think she’s convinced he’s innocent. Her family has 4 attorneys (including Rex’s team) telling them that Rex will be acquitted, so she’s probably confident. It’s either that or bluster.

JMO, she’s going to back him all the way, regardless of all the evidence.

It's interesting to me that Macedonia is already claiming that AE will be attending his trial when the trial won't be taking place for how long? She visits him in jail, has a streaming crew visit her home (for a documentary???), and then her lawyer claims she plans to attend his trial "just to see for herself" - all in the span of a few days.

<modsnip: not victim friendly> The only way it would make sense to me is if all proceeds of any documentaries or books get to go to the families of the people who were murdered.

MOO.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

It's interesting to me that Macedonia is already claiming that AE will be attending his trial when the trial won't be taking place for how long? She visits him in jail, has a streaming crew visit her home (for a documentary???), and then her lawyer claims she plans to attend his trial "just to see for herself" - all in the span of a few days.

<modsnip: not victim friendly>The only way it would make sense to me is if all proceeds of any documentaries or books get to go to the families of the people who were murdered.

MOO.

Question for the legal scholars here, if the wife of the alleged killer was to be a called witness (for either side), doesn’t that tend to preclude their being in the courtroom during testimony or the trial? (As that presence and hearing evidence could color or affect or influence their testimony, etc?)

If so, the hope is that she will be called - and appear on either the prosecution or defense lists (or both).
MOO.

 

[madamx]

New lengthy article, also posted on this possibly associated thread..

Victim: Alicia Showalter Reynolds and the Route 29 Stalker, 2 March 1996

Just finished the new book Trailed today, about the Williams/Winans murder in Shenandoah. However, the book also spends a great deal of time talking about the Route 29 Stalker. I'd recommend it to anyone here, the author goes into a good bit of detail about this case particularly. On the topic...

www.websleuths.com

Mystery murderer 'looks like serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann'

The 1996 murder of Alicia Showalter Reynolds, 25, remains unsolved nearly thirty years later but her family are urging police to reexamine her case in connection with accused Gilgo Beach suspect.

www.dailymail.co.uk

12 November 2023​

''Route 29 Stalker victim's sister claims sketch of mystery murderer looks like Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann as she calls on cops to re-open decade's-old cold case​

• The 1996 murder of Alicia Showalter Reynolds, 25, remains unsolved nearly thirty years later but her family are urging police to reexamine her case
• The accused Gilgo Beach murder suspect, Rex Heuermann, 60, bears a potential resemblance to a police sketch of the presumed killer of Reynolds
• She was killed by the still unidentified Route 29 Stalker while driving from Baltimore to Charlottesville - her car was found as the side of the road ''
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Upon noticing the resemblance between Heuermann and a 1996 police sketch of the Route 29 Stalker, Alicia's family have urged investigators to delve deeper into the potential connection
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Alicia's family recently noticed similarities between Gilgo Beach murder suspect Rex Heuermann, right, and the 1996 sketch of the Route 29 Stalker, pictured above

Omg seriously looks identical. Was there a height on the Route 29 Stalker?

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Omg seriously looks identical. Was there a height on the Route 29 Stalker?

MOO As far as the sketches go, only one sketch, shown in the article , is being used by LE as the killer of vicitm Reynolds.
I think that LE is pretty sure she was the victim of a different SK, not RH.
Here is the suspect description:

" talking to a man with a dark pickup truck parked behind her on the side of the road, possibly a blue or green Nissan. They said he was between 5’10”-6’0”, between 35-45 years old, with a medium build and light to medium brown hair."

Alicia Showalter Reynolds & the Route 29 Stalker – A True Crime Podcast

crimeandcoffeecouple.com

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

I'd like to know if it's considered normal behaviour for family members of men charged w/serial killing to want to be in the courtroom hearing/seeing all the evidence and gory details?

Most SK's plead guilty so there isn't anyone hearing/seeing all the evidence. Sentencing hearings could cause a lot of evidence to be discussed, but not seen or described in gory detail, just what is needed to determine factors for sentencing.

I don't think there is any way to ever say whether or not a family member's court attendance is "normal behavior". The same goes for the familys', also considered victims, reactions, or coping behavior after the arrest and during any court proceeding.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Most SK's plead guilty so there isn't anyone hearing/seeing all the evidence. Sentencing hearings could cause a lot of evidence to be discussed, but not seen or described in gory detail, just what is needed to determine factors for sentencing.

I don't think there is any way to ever say whether or not a family member's court attendance is "normal behavior". The same goes for the familys', also considered victims, reactions, or coping behavior after the arrest and during any court proceeding.

Thank you. All people are different and handle events differently, yes, I know. Instead of normal behaviour, I mean more "the norm", as in have other SK's family members attended the trials. I didn't realize most SK's plead guilty? One would need a very thick skin to sit through something like that, imo.

 

[Ruminations]

Thank you. All people are different and handle events differently, yes, I know. Instead of normal behaviour, I mean more "the norm", as in have other SK's family members attended the trials. I didn't realize most SK's plead guilty? One would need a very thick skin to sit through something like that, imo.

FWIW, I think I probably would want to know the gory details. I have no idea if that would be psychologically wise for me, but I'd probably dive in.

I think it is a little soon for Asa to be planning that out anyway. The trial isn't even being scheduled.

I have never heard that SK usually plead guilty. They often have a lot of hubris; Id reserve taking that as a fact until I saw a citation.

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

FWIW, I think I probably would want to know the gory details. I have no idea if that would be psychologically wise for me, but I'd probably dive in.

I think it is a little soon for Asa to be planning that out anyway. The trial isn't even being scheduled.

I have never heard that SK usually plead guilty. They often have a lot of hubris; Id reserve taking that as a fact until I saw a citation.

MOO

Depends on the person, like in most things. Bundy didn't, Ridgway did. Little did, Dahmer did. Kemper pled NGRI, as did Gacy, Nilsen, and Sutcliffe. (Nilsen and Sutcliffe it was guilty but with 'diminished responsibillity', but in the essentials, it's not very different to NGRI.) Berkowitz did. Deangelo did. Rader did. Ramirez didn't, though he played the crazy/satanist angle to the hilt, terrifying the jury, especially when one of them died in an unrelated partner-violence homicide. Wuornos claimed self defense at times, and put in pleas of no contest for some of her victims. Bianchi tried the NGRI route, but got caught faking and changed his plea to guilty and testified against Buono, who didn't. I could keep digging, but so far, pleas admitting some form of responsibility, whether sane or claiming insanity, seem to be in excess of those who go the not guilty route.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I'd like to know if it's considered normal behaviour for family members of men charged w/serial killing to want to be in the courtroom hearing/seeing all the evidence and gory details?

I honestly cannot speculate what I would do if in that position. Part of me firmly believes that I would rid myself of my partner immediately and move/change my name. Separate myself completely from the monster (yes, I have no doubt RH is guilty IMO) and try and rebuild a new life.

The other side of me thinks that I would have to know how it happened right under my very nose, (at my home) and I had no clue, how I could have missed any signs. etc?

What I do know for sure is that I would NOT be giving interviews or speaking with the press, TV shows, or book writers. I'm not saying or judging A for doing this, if she is, I just know I personally couldn't. The crimes RH is accused of are so ugly and depraved against women, I wouldn't want to give voice to them.

All MOO