Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 7 murders, July 2023 #16

[dotr]

I'm real curious how Michael Brown will try to explain away the "Things to Remember" header on the document.
I don't know since Brown has had time to digest it if he came up with something new trying to distance his client from it?

“But how do you cross-examine a document he created himself on his computer?” he said.
(Keahon, former chief of the homicide division in the Suffolk County district attorney’s office.)

Michael Brown, Mr. Heuermann’s normally unflappable defense lawyer, has consistently found ways to parry a steady stream of damning details since his client’s arrest. But the news of the manual, released just before his client was indicted, left him scrambling for answers to reporters’ questions about a document in which his client calls the search for a victim a “hunt” and engaging with their bodies “play time.”

In a phone interview, Mr. Brown questioned the document’s authorship and whether prosecutors might have taken it out of context, but said he needed more time to review it.

Mr. Brown did call the two new charges, and the manual’s notes on mutilation and dismemberment, “inconsistent with the initial theory” put forth by prosecutors regarding the Gilgo Four. Unlike Ms. Taylor and Ms. Costilla, those four victims were all killed within several years of their discovery in 2010 and dumped close together, their bodies intact."

Gilgo Suspect’s How-To Manual Reflects a Killer’s Mind, Prosecutors Say

Rex Heuermann assembled a document that prosecutors said was created to help him avoid detection. But it may be damning evidence, with one expert calling it a “blueprint for murder.”

www.nytimes.com

Maybe the defense lawyer might try and say RH was interested in profiler JD's book, and was simply taking notes about the various cases referenced in it? speculation, imo.

Man charged in Gilgo Beach serial killings kept 'blueprint' of crimes on computer, prosecutors say

RIVERHEAD, N.Y.

www.sasktoday.ca

Jun 6, 2024
''One section, titled “things to remember,” appears to highlight lessons from previous killings, prosecutors said, such as using heavier rope and limiting noise in order to maximize “play time.” A “body prep” checklist includes, among other items, a note to “remove head and hands."

''Prosecutors also said they found a book in Heuermann's possession by the retired FBI agent John Douglas, “The Cases That Haunt Us.” They say the planning document referenced specific pages in another work by Douglas, “Mind Hunter,” that allude to the personality types of serial killers and profiles of those who use mutilation and sexual violence.''

Prosecutors believe that entry may connect Heuermann to yet another victim, Valerie Mack, whose partial skeletal remains were discovered near the body of Taylor after her disappearance in 2000.''

 

[Izzylizzy]

Maybe the defense lawyer might try and say RH was interested in profiler JD's book, and was simply taking notes about the various cases referenced in it? speculation, imo.

Man charged in Gilgo Beach serial killings kept 'blueprint' of crimes on computer, prosecutors say

RIVERHEAD, N.Y.

www.sasktoday.ca

Jun 6, 2024
''One section, titled “things to remember,” appears to highlight lessons from previous killings, prosecutors said, such as using heavier rope and limiting noise in order to maximize “play time.” A “body prep” checklist includes, among other items, a note to “remove head and hands."

''Prosecutors also said they found a book in Heuermann's possession by the retired FBI agent John Douglas, “The Cases That Haunt Us.” They say the planning document referenced specific pages in another work by Douglas, “Mind Hunter,” that allude to the personality types of serial killers and profiles of those who use mutilation and sexual violence.''

Prosecutors believe that entry may connect Heuermann to yet another victim, Valerie Mack, whose partial skeletal remains were discovered near the body of Taylor after her disappearance in 2000.''

Maybe RH was doing some self-analysis?

"They say the planning document referenced specific pages in another work by Douglas, “Mind Hunter,” that allude to the personality types of serial killers and profiles of those who use mutilation and sexual violence.''

 

[snarast]

I'm real curious how Michael Brown will try to explain away the "Things to Remember" header on the document.
I don't know since Brown has had time to digest it if he came up with something new trying to distance his client from it?

“But how do you cross-examine a document he created himself on his computer?” he said.
(Keahon, former chief of the homicide division in the Suffolk County district attorney’s office.)

Michael Brown, Mr. Heuermann’s normally unflappable defense lawyer, has consistently found ways to parry a steady stream of damning details since his client’s arrest. But the news of the manual, released just before his client was indicted, left him scrambling for answers to reporters’ questions about a document in which his client calls the search for a victim a “hunt” and engaging with their bodies “play time.”

In a phone interview, Mr. Brown questioned the document’s authorship and whether prosecutors might have taken it out of context, but said he needed more time to review it.

Mr. Brown did call the two new charges, and the manual’s notes on mutilation and dismemberment, “inconsistent with the initial theory” put forth by prosecutors regarding the Gilgo Four. Unlike Ms. Taylor and Ms. Costilla, those four victims were all killed within several years of their discovery in 2010 and dumped close together, their bodies intact."

Gilgo Suspect’s How-To Manual Reflects a Killer’s Mind, Prosecutors Say

Rex Heuermann assembled a document that prosecutors said was created to help him avoid detection. But it may be damning evidence, with one expert calling it a “blueprint for murder.”

www.nytimes.com

Questioning authorship is the only way for the defence. I don’t think it matters. Because it shows a beyond morbid interest that ties him to the crimes.

In addition to everything else, it wouldn’t just *tie* him to the crimes but it would be lethal in the states that allow the death penalty.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Questioning authorship is the only way for the defence. I don’t think it matters. Because it shows a beyond morbid interest that ties him to the crimes.

In addition to everything else, it wouldn’t just *tie* him to the crimes but it would be lethal in the states that allow the death penalty.

Good Luck to Michael Brown trying to find an author other than RH.

IIRC:

Forensic analysis concluded that the document was written in 2000 and had been modified between 2001 and 2002?

 

[snarast]

Good Luck to Michael Brown trying to find an author other than RH.

IIRC:

Forensic analysis concluded that the document was written in 2000 and had been modified between 2001 and 2002?

Cut and paste does exist. RH was likely in a coterie of like minded psychopaths.

Copying and amending it is as bad as being the original author IMO. That will be hard to dispute.

But I guess it depends on how much editing data, versioning or other metadata they have.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Cut and paste does exist. RH was likely in a coterie of like minded psychopaths.

Copying and amending it is as bad as being the original author IMO. That will be hard to dispute.

But I guess it depends on how much editing data, versioning or other metadata they have.

Good points.
IMO:
If he was in a coterie "of like minded psychopaths" I would think that with the advanced electronic forensics at Tierney's disposal they very well could have that communication .
???

 

[Eaglette]

FYI:

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Updated a day ago

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Wonder if they'll search in this area - once it's safe to do so.

Still plenty missing

 

[snarast]

Good points.
IMO:
If he was in a coterie "of like minded psychopaths" I would think that with the advanced electronic forensics at Tierney's disposal they very well could have that communication .
???

Possibly - some of them are pretty smart and prepared for combat unfortunately. It might be easier to get at the stuff RH has meddled with himself, obviously it’s not as likely to remain encrypted once he’s extracted his favourite ideas to his own documents and preferred editors.

Going for the ancient stuff is a good idea, as they have. Probably a greater density of perv material in those “troves”.

 

[dotr]

Hopefully the pun was unintended, imo. rbbm

MSN

''Any creepy memorabilia linked to accused Gilgo Beach Killer Rex Heuermann could fetch an arm and leg on the macabre collectable market, according to a well known Long Island dealer who has the world’s largest collection of serial killer items.

Heuermann’s Chevorlet Avalanche seen outside his home in 2011. Google Maps
“Right now, he’s a hot item,” David Adamovich, the 78-year-old Freeport resident, told The Post.''
“I’d like to get his car,” he added of Heurmann’s dark green Chevrolet Avalanche that drew police to the Massapeuqa murder suspect.

The vehicle will likely cost thousands of dollars above street value, and even just the license plate “would be a great collectable” if it were ever made accessible to the public, according to the eerie expert.''

 

[sds71]

"A folded shirt was recovered from inside of the victim's oral cavity," referring to Amber Costello's mouth.

Another new detail emerged, when prosecutors spoke about Megan Waterman, 22, found on the same day as Amber Costello along Ocean Parkway in Gilgo Beach. "A paper towel was recovered from the victim's mouth," the affidavit said.

2 LISK Victims Had Items in their Mouths

Just about every time a prosecution affidavit is submitted in the Long Island Serial Killer case, there are details we didn't hear before...

www.marymurphyofficial.com

 

[sds71]

A pretrial hearing to determine whether DNA evidence allegedly linking accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann to multiple victims will be admissible at trial, is scheduled to take place later this month, a Suffolk judge said Wednesday.Supreme Court Justice Timothy Mazzei set the hearing for March 28 during a brief court conference in Riverhead Wednesday.

Gilgo Beach killings: Judge sets pretrial hearing on DNA evidence in suspect Rex Heuermann's murder case

Supreme Court Justice Timothy Mazzei set the hearing for March 28 during a brief court conference in Riverhead Wednesday.

www.newsday.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

"A folded shirt was recovered from inside of the victim's oral cavity," referring to Amber Costello's mouth.

Another new detail emerged, when prosecutors spoke about Megan Waterman, 22, found on the same day as Amber Costello along Ocean Parkway in Gilgo Beach. "A paper towel was recovered from the victim's mouth," the affidavit said.

2 LISK Victims Had Items in their Mouths

Just about every time a prosecution affidavit is submitted in the Long Island Serial Killer case, there are details we didn't hear before...

www.marymurphyofficial.com

An indication that both women were within ear distance of someone hearing them scream?

 

[DS2021]

Releases March 31st

Young women who worked in the sex industry were disappearing from New York City and Long Island, and no one was looking for them. Then in 2010, female remains were found in the Gilgo Beach area of Long Island, leading to a string of additional discoveries, all of which seemed to be connected. The case of the Long Island Serial Killer remained unsolved for 13 years - until July 2023 when the police arrested a suspect. From Academy Award®-nominated and Emmy-winning director Liz Garbus (Lost Girls) comes the definitive look at the twists and turns in a case that dominated headlines and is still developing in real time.

 

[atomicsciencegal]

An indication that both women were within ear distance of someone hearing them scream?

Or to prevent purge fluids from leaking after death.

 

[Mrs.A]

"A folded shirt was recovered from inside of the victim's oral cavity," referring to Amber Costello's mouth.

 

[Mrs.A]

Folded shirt? This is such a grotesque detail. Fitting a folded shirt in a mouth breaks my heart.

I think Rex did this all on his own but since accomplices and like-minded monsters are entertained I am just hoping that all involved get theirs. Even those who may have ignored implications deserve consequences.

 

[Mrs.A]

Well this episode suggests that another dump site (sic.) may be found because someone like Heuremann would not be stopped except by old age or incarceration. It does make sense to me that there would be more victims, but we can all hope not.

 

[iamshadow21]

Well this episode suggests that another dump site (sic.) may be found because someone like Heuremann would not be stopped except by old age or incarceration. It does make sense to me that there would be more victims, but we can all hope not.

Well, at a minimum we know there's at least one other dump site, if he's responsible for Karen and Peaches. There are still remains of both of them that have not been found.

MOO

 

[snarast]

Well this episode suggests that another dump site (sic.) may be found because someone like Heuremann would not be stopped except by old age or incarceration. It does make sense to me that there would be more victims, but we can all hope not.

I hope if there are any, they’re in Florida.

 

[CuriousCricket]

I hope if there are any, they’re in Florida.

May I ask your thinking on this?