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[KMouse]

January 30, 2013

Day 2 of the Defence Case-in-chief

LISA ANDREWS on the stand

<missed the first few minutes>

--dated Travis, was friends before dating. Saw each other at gatherings and then started texting.
--dated Steve Bell prior to dating Travis, for about four months.
--Broke up with Steve and then started dating Travis six months later.
--During the six months she was friends with Travis.
--Bell is part of the Mormom church.
--When she was friends with Travis she mostly hung out in groups with Travis.
--Travis spoke to her about PPL. Travis suggested it as a job for her as she had lost hers.
--She dated Travis for 7-8 months, started in July 2007.
--Broke up in the middle/end of February 2008.
--while they dates they emailed, texted, and IM'd, and called each other.
--also went on dates.
--lisa.andrews87 was her email address while they were dating.
--they had broken up a few times while they were dating.
--While they were broken up "sometimes" Travis continued to text her until the final break up.
--After the final break up they continued to have some contact with each other.
--She was 19 when she started to date Travis.
--Travis started talking about marriage "fairly early", "earlier than she was comforatable with".
--She did not want to get married at that point of time as she was too young and immature, too young to be married and she told those things to Travis.
--This was the main reason they broke up the second time.
--The first time they broke up she believed that Travis was cheating on her with Jodi. A former roommate of his told a friend of hers who then told her.
--She confronted Travis.
--Travis continued to text and email her. He told her he "still cared" about her and they got back together.
--When they got back together Travis addressed a lot of concerns and she felt that she could trust Travis.
--They dated for months and then broke up again. This time Travis was getting more serious about marriage and she wasn't ready. Travis would have been 30 years old at that time. In the Mormon religion, 30 is old to be married. Travis was concerned he wasn't married yet, it was one of his goals.
--She broke up with Travis because if he was at a point in life where he wanted to be married he should explore other options. This was the end of November or early December 2007.
--They told each other they loved each other.
--She believed that their relationship was exclusive.
--She knew that Travis still had contact with Jodi Arias and another woman, Deanna Reid (spelling?).
--She knew that these were women that Travis had previously dated but she did not believe that they were romantically involved.
--She felt that if Travis were to be in an exclusive relationship he shouldn't be having contact with members of the opposite sex.
--She had suspicions that Travis was cheating.
--Travis and her went to Sedona for the day.
--In the Mormon religion it does not look good for two single people to go on overnight trips together.
--She was aware that Travis had gone on trips with Jodi.
--She knew of two trips that Travis and Jodi went on.
--

 

[wenwe4]

Good Morning folks!
I have been experiencing multiple computer problems this morning . . . . missed some of the beginning of Lisa (Andrews) D's testimony . . . .

what I gleaned so far was
1) She and TA dated and broke up the first time because she found out TA was cheatin on her . . . . TA's friend told her Sister - who in turn told her.
2) TA was seeing JA and another girl in addition to Lisa
3) TA took JA on an overnight trip (which was not seen well in their church) . . . .
4) TA took Lisa on a day trip but never overnight
5) Lisa met JA @ church event . . . .

did you come to find out TA and JA were dating? Objection - hearsay - overrulled answer yes or no
I understood they were not dating but they had dated. . . .
smaller gathering - saw JA try to hold TA's hand . . . doesn't recall TA try to brush JA hand aside but did see him not reciprocating her affection . . . .she tried to show affection and he did not show it back (ie: - one time @ his house - he was trying to talk to 10-15 people @ his house she tried to be all over him, hug him, hold his hand and he would not reciprocate.
During this time when Lisafirst met JA with TA . . .
Lisa joined summer after graduated - summer of 2006 - she joined the single's ward of their church . ..
While dating TA he always professed (objection-sustained) during the 3 times you dated TA in these 8 months you did not have sexual relations with him? no
Did he always profess to being a virgin?
Objection
Did you want to have sex

Did he want to be a virgin?
Objection
Approach

 

[KMouse]

LISA ANDREWS on the stand

PART 2

--Lisa was aware that Travis took Jodi on overnight trips. She told Travis she had found out about these trips.
--Lisa is asked about what she knew about Jodi. She first met Jodi at a meeting at the church. Similar to the family church activity nights.
--When Lisa first met Jodi she understood Travis and Jodi were not dating.
--Lisa learned that Travis and Jodi had dated.
--Lisa saw Jodi and Travis together, 1-2 times in his home, there were other people in the home, on one occasion it was a smaller gathering of 10-15 people.
--Did not ever see Travis be affectionate with Jodi. Saw Jodi try and be affectionate with Jodi. Saw her try to hold Travis' hand. Did not ever see Travis brush her aside. Saw Travis not reciprocate the affection. Saw Jodi show affection and Travis did not show affection.
--Travis was trying to talk to his guests and as he was talking Jodi would "be all over him" and have her arms around him.
--This would have been before Lisa and Travis dated.
--Lisa joined the singles group at the church in June 2006.
--Does not remember exactly when she met Jodi.
--Lisa never had sex with Travis.
--Lisa is asked if Travis had said he was a virgin and Martinez objected. The DT tries to get this question in but it is hearsay.

Counsel approach the bench.

 

[wenwe4]

After TA death did you learn he was not a virgin?
yes
Did you always feel that you were doing the right thing with regard to pre-marital sex?
yes
one of the times with TA . . . (um, um, um)
did you say you and TA used to email quite a bit?
yes
@ times did you email TA about your relationship?
yes
may I approach - read this . . .is that an email from you?
yes to TA
Sun 9/23/07 (?) - recognize this and remember writing this email - enter into evidence?
Approach

 

[wenwe4]

After TA death did you learn he was not a virgin?
yes
Did you always feel that you were doing the right thing with regard to pre-marital sex?
yes
one of the times with TA . . . (um, um, um)
did you say you and TA used to email quite a bit?
yes
@ times did you email TA about your relationship?
yes
may I approach - read this . . .is that an email from you?
yes to TA
Sun 9/23/07 (?) - recognize this and remember writing this email - enter into evidence?
Approach

 

[KMouse]

LISA ANDREWS

PART 3

--DT asks Lisa "at one point were you shocked to learn that Travis was not a virgin?" Martinez objects. Counsel approach the bench again.
--"After Travis' death, were you shocked to learn he was not a virgen?" Lisa: "yes".
--DT now asking if during their relationship if she felt that she was doing the right thing with regards to premarital sex? Lisa: "yes".
--Lisa and Travis used to email and text quite a bit. Lisa would email Travis things about their relationship. DT asks to approach the witness. Hands her a copy of an email from Travis from September 23, 2007. EXHIBIT #385. Martinez objects as the email is hearsay.
--Lisa is asked questions about the email.
--In the email Lisa talks to Travis about breaking up. Lisa had hoped that Travis would come to the same conclusion, she felt it was the right decision to break up. Lisa did not want Travis to text or email her anymore after they broke up.
--Lisa felt the relationship started off wrong, she thought that she may have tempted Travis to kiss her. She felt that they were making out "for too long". Each time they made out "it progressively got worse". When they used to make out at the beginning Lisa wouldn't think about sex but after time it was on her mind. Sex was on Travis' mind from the very beginning. Lisa felt it was a mutual that they should have kept their thoughts clean. Lisa felt they both "should have taken a step back". Lisa said in the email she thought that Travis wanted her just for her body, that he has so much sexual tension. Lisa said that it made her feel used and dirty and that if he truely cared for her it would not have been so passionate. Lisa told him that she had told Travis not to "grab her butt" especially in public but he "wasn't really listening". Lisa didn't use words because he didn't like them. Such as "poop", "crap" or "fart". Lisa refrained from using those words around Travis. Lisa asked Travis "not to talk about sex so much, but he did anyway". Lisa felt like Travis didn't care how she felt. She said it was vulger and unattrative for a man to talk about sex so much. Lisa told him that he would "get his turn someday". She told him that she felt he was trying to mold her to be a certain way. Lisa felt Travis was pushing her to be somebody he wanted her to be.
--Lisa now says that the questions are coming out of context. DT gives Lisa a copy of the email so she can follow along.
--Lisa told Travis that she felt that Travis wanted her to be happy for him.
--Travis asked for compliments often and she felt that she would say them but not be sincere.
--In the email, Lisa talked about her day trip to Sedona with Travis, she felt like Travis wasn't paying attention to her. Lisa says "at times" and in her email, out of her frustration she said that Travis wasn't paying atttention to her during the trip.

 

[wenwe4]

Lisa told TA that she felt TA was too obsessed with sex, do not grab her butt - - especially not in public, words she didnt use because he didn't like - poop/crap/fart. . . . Lisa asked him not to talk about sex so much, felt like he didn't care about her feelings, Lisa said she felt it was vulgar and unattractive to talk about sex so much, told him to be patient and he would get his turn someday - felt he was trying to mold her into someone he wanted to be .. ..

Lisa said she feels this is all being taken out of context . ..she is on pg 2 - given a copy of the email defense is reading.

Lisa felt TA wanted him to be happy for him but not him for her, he wanted compliments often but she didn't feel she could continue togive them and be sincere, talked about trip to Sedona with him - felt he was not paying attention to him @ times during the trip. ...

Lisa inferred that he TA was saying she should be happy to be able to go to Sedona with him . . . .

Talked about a time when she got home from Calif and he got home from Vegas . . . objectio n
approach

 

[KMouse]

PART 4

--Lisa told Travis that she was part to blame for making out intensely.
--Dt asks Lisa if "They did not have enough to agree upon to be a family." Martinez objects. Counsel approach the bench.
--Lisa expressed concern that they did not share the same values, the values she embraced, Travis shot down.
--Lisa talked to Travis about her goal of becoming a teacher. DT says that Travis did not support her and Lisa says it did not make her feel good.
--Lisa wrote the email after not seeing Travis for four days but says she saw him the day she wrote it. The time apart gave her time to think about him.
--Lisa told Travis that he overreacted about a lot of things. She doesn't remember what happened on Travis trip but she thinks that he had car trouble or something. His trip didn't go well and Lisa told Travis that he overreated and it was not attractive to her. In bold letters she said that he didn't tell her that Jodi went with him on the trip. Lisa suspected that Jodi went with Travis on that trip. She had asked Travis who was going and he did not tell her that Jodi was going. Lisa felt that Travis intentionally hid it from her that Jodi was on the trip.
--Lisa told Travis that he was being selfish when Travis wanted to have conversations with her late and night when she was too tired to talk.
--Lisa told Travis she felt he was ignoring her phone calls. They were going on a camping trip with their singles ward and Travis was late and he didn't answer the call.
--Lisa was car sick and Travis wanted to lay on her and she didn't want him to. Lisa felt she didn't deserve to be treated that way as his frustration was clear.
--Lisa went to his house on a Saturday, they got along, she felt things were better between the two of them but then she had more time to think about it and told him so in the email.
--Lisa told Travis she was sick of hearing about Jodi. Lisa told him that was when she began to suspect Travis was seeing Jodi. Travis told Lisa nothing was going on but Travis' roommate told her something was going on. Lisa promised the roommate she wouldn't say anything because the roommate was worried there would be a fight or a bad interaction.
--Lisa told Travis that if he really cared he would tell Jodi to back off regardless of the past and that she couldn't trust him anymore. Lisa felt their relationship could go no further. Lisa told Travis not to respond to the email, she told him she wished to not hear from him anymore.
--The final break up was in February 2008. They continued to talk after the email but they were separated for a coupel of weeks.
--Travis started contacting Lisa after the break up and says that Travis wanted to show that he cared and wanted to address the issues she said out of anger.
--Lisa doesn't remember how long it took her to write the email.
--When her and Travis spoke she felt the issues were resolved and they started dating again.
--By the end of October they are back together and then they break up again in November because Travis wanted marriage and she didn't. They broke up late November or early December.
--Lisa doesn't remember if they were separated and if so, how long for.
--Lisa says they still loved each other but they were in different places.
--Final break up was in mid-late February in 2008. It was a mutual break up.

NOON RECESS

 

[Nana46]

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The wire basket in front of the jury box is where jurors place their written questions for the witness. There are already a number of papers in the basket during Lisa Daidone's direct examination.
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[wenwe4]

I attempted to upload this awhile ago but alas - continued to experience computer problem . . . . I think I got all debugged (hopefully)

Expess concern didn't share same values, he would shoot Lisa's values down, Lisa didn't feel she could express how she really feels, TA said "being a teacher is ok if that's what you want to do with your life but I think it really sucks!"
Objection - approach

Did you talk to TA about your goal in wanting to become a teacher?
yes
He didn't support you at that time
Hurt feelings, did not feel supported by someone supposed to be loved by

TA was gone for a couple of days prior to this email?
I wrote this email when I saw him that day . . .
pg 3 2nd paragraph - Idon't know if that was right before that email but yes he had been away for 4 days - gave time to think being apart from him.

Stressed out about certain things but he didn't seem to be interested in Lisa's problems - hurt her feelings

He overreacted about a lot of things having to do with her trip . . . .don't remember what happened - the specific incidences - had car troubles, snowballed, things did not go well - he over reacted and that was not attractive to Lisa.

He did not tell Lisa that JA went on that trip but she suspected it . .. don't know if it was JA going but asked who was going with TA. . . . because TA didn't say JA was on the trip - Lisa trusted TA didn't take her- felt TA intentionally hid it from Lisa that JA was on the trip.

Lisa felt it was selfish of him to call late @ night when she wanted to sleep . . .....

lost feed

Lisa was sick of hearing about JA.
Said something inside her told her that he was seeing JA - but it was actually his roommate that told Lisa.

Lisa said if he really cared about her - he would tell JA to back off - said Lisa could not trust him anymore - relationship could go no further, don't respond, felt cheated and lied to . . . .

She felt he was not helpful toward her when she didn't feel good and tried to snuggle him and he didn't want her to

This email in Sept 2007 but finally broke up in Feb 2008 - texting, call, continued to see him - separated couple of weeks after this email . . . . not sure if they had contact in those 2 weeks - eventually he was kinda show that he cared - he wanted totalk about the things she mentioned - if they could not date anymore -he wntd to address some things she said in anger in the email . .

They started dating again in Oct (this was 1st break up),second one was late Nov or early Dec - broke up then because he wanted marriage and she did not . . .

For the first break up - shortly after he went on a trip and Lisa went somewhere - they were physically apart . . .

2nd breakup was started by Lisa -they still loved each other -

Final breakup - mid to late Feb was final break up

Noon recess until 1:25pm

 

[luv]

In Session &#8207;@InSession

Lawyer are back in the courtroom. The #JodiArias murder trial should start soon. Lisa Daidone's testimony will continue her testimony.
https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=jodi+arias&src=typd

 

[TigerBalm]

Defendant's mom

 

[wenwe4]

Judge on the stand . . . . telling people in gallery to quit laughing and quit making inappropriate comments during testimony in the trial ...

Jury will be now brought in .. . (JA is present currently)

Lisa D back on the stand . .. .

Talk more about last breakup (third one) final breakup - mid to end of Feb 2008 . . . . Lisa probably initiated breakup but it was more mutual . . . some strange things were happening .. he was having some financial troubles and TA didn't feel he could be attentive toward Lisa . . . . they continued to text and email for about 2 weeks after they broke up. . . . Lisa did not speak to him again until 1 week before he was killed . . .

DA - you spoke to him one week before he DIED -did he try to call you?
Yes 2 to 3 times during 2 weeks
Lisa initially refused to take his calls but eventually talked to him

 

[luv]

MC Superior Court &#8207;@courtpio

One of the Jurors reported that they were approached by a reporter in the State v #JodiArias. This is never allowed.
https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=jodi+arias&src=typd

 

[katiecoolady]

2 armed officers just went in the courtroom

 

[wenwe4]

We are back and somone's head is blocking the camera!
Bring in the jury

 

[wenwe4]

Prosecutor w/Lisa

Broke up the last time there were problems . . . . front door had a device whenever the door opened or unlocked the door would make a ringing sound . . . TA was there when it happened - door was open or unlocked? (there is more to it)
You asked TA to spend the night with you . .. .yes
No time did he touch your rear end, or sexual parts of your body . . . . No no time

How much time before you broke someone came into the house unanounced while you were in th kitch . . 2 months before - JA came in the front door and she ran out


Email Lisa sent in 2007 . . . . attempted kiss reference . . . . TA would not kiss you at the start and Lisa initiated kiss and he was holding off because of religious beliefs .. . .

TA touched her in the rearend . . . he never touched herthere again not unmerited - not when it was unwelcome. . .

You thought he was too interested in sex . . . . you were kissing - he achieved an erection - you did not massage his erection - it was a biological response to kissing - because of Lisa's inexperience she thought he was willingly getting an erection . . . didn't understand the biology

He never touched Lisa in an aggressive physical way . . . . issue in the email - he began to be more caring and tried to conform to what Lisa wanted -not what TA wanted . . . . he would stop the sexual fashion things because he thought Lisa would be adversely affected . .. . he stopped when Lisa wanted to go forward . . . . he gave a valid reason to not go forward . . . . when he kissed Lisait was welcomed by her and vise versa . . . . he was engaged with talking with other people - JA came up on him and put herself on him in an inappropriate manner . . . . he never screamed @ Lisa when he was upset she broke up with her . .. . much like a highschool relationship and Lisa expressed it in a somewhat immature fashion - she now thinks some of the comments she made to him were a little unfair . .. . .

Objection . . . relevance and quite frankly!
Ok Counsel approach!

 

[KMouse]

January 30, 2013
Day 2 of the Defence Case-in-chief

AFTERNOON TESTIMONY

CONTINUATION OF LISA ANDREWS TESTIMONY

CROSS EXAMINATION--Martinex starts by asking the judge if he could approach.
--Jury is sent out of the courtroom and the live feed is turned off.
--Jury returns
--Martinez asking about the "strange things" that were happening.
--The door to the house Lisa was living in had a security system that rang when the door opened.
--The alarm went off and the door was unlocked.
--Lisa asked Travis to spend the night and Travis did, he spent the night with Lisa because of the incident. At no time did he touch Lisa sexually including her rear end.
--On another day Lisa was at Travis' house and this was around the time of their third breakup. Lisa was in the kitchen with Travis. Somebody came into the house unannounced. It was Jodi. Lisa identifies Jodi in the courtroom.
--Jodi came in through the front door, when she saw Lisa and Travis in the kitchen, Jodi ran out of the house.
--re: email from 2007, from Lisa to Travis, she referenced kissing. During the beginning of the relationship Lisa told Travis to kiss her, he was holding off because of their religious beliefs.
--After mentioning Travis touching her rear in the email Travis never touched her again without it being welcomed.
--Both Lisa and Travis were kissing, Travis got an erection. It was a biological response to what was going on. Lisa felt that Travis should have had control over his body and this was due to her inexperience.
--Travis never forced her to do anything sexually that she didn't want to do.
--Lisa and Travis joked sexually. He never touched her in an physical aggressive way.
--After the email, did Travis begin to pay more attention? Lisa "yes".
--Travis was doing everything he could to conform to what she wanted.
--Travis would stop and she would want him to go a little bit forward (sexually).
--Travis never did anything sexually that was unwelcome.
--In public Lisa never grabbed him in public like the way Jodi did when Travis was speaking to other people. It was socially inappropriate.
--When they broke up Travis never screamed at Lisa, but he did want her back.
--Lisa admits that at the time some of the comments she made were a little unfair.


Martinez references exhibit ??? and it looked like he had an autopsy photo of Travis in his hand. Defence objects, judge asks counsel to approach. Travis' family is very upset, one of them walks out of the room, another is doubled over. Jodi appears to be crying but her hair is covering her face.

 

[wenwe4]

Lisa was asked about TA having other affairs . . .
Do you think it is (right or fair) to take a knife and slash somebody's throat?

JA appears to be cryin - but I only see the same kleenex

Objection Approach!

One of the things yu were asked about . .
TA's virginity . .. .something Lisa an TA discussed and other people discussed it after the killing . . . whether he was or wasnot a virgin - treated Lisa w/dignity and respect and Lisa started the kissing thing

Re-direct

Lisa was 19 and he was 29 or 30 . . . made Lisa uncomfy when he achieved an erection while they were kissing. . . . . .Lisa thought TA had not cheated and got back together wit TA . . . . Lisa thought the roommate lied to her .. . .

Lisa didn't know TA was cheating w/JA but had suspicions .. . .. JA came in the frontdoor and then ran out . . . . TA ran outafter JA . . . . TA ran outsidefor a couple of minutes . . .
He must have felt it was necessary to chase JA

Roommate giving information was John Hepworth (Hepburn?)

Lisa was dating someone else when TA broke up with her - believed TA was a virgin . . . they did talk about sex - they were contemplating marriage . . . . between breakups only 2 months but TA began talking about marriage . . . Lisa was not ready for marriage he was . . . .

Juror questions - multiple ones

 

[Troubled]

The jury has questions.
According to the judge there are several.
Sidebar to discuss them.