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[TigerBalm]

Interesting such a long time to go over juror questions.
25:35 - 32:00 judge and attorneys going over the jurors questions.
I'm betting there were more questions that couldn't be asked for whatever legal reason.
http://youtu.be/7tEkt5ChAco?t=32m4s

JURORS QUESTIONS (with screen shots during the question portion):

Judge Stephens: Miss Daidone the jurors have some questions for you.

Q: Did someone tell you that Travis was texting and calling Jodi and another female?
A: No, actually um Jodi and another female had um texted and called several times while we were together. Um, Jodi called numerous times whil .. it's almost as if she knew we were together at the time.

Q: Did you know this before you started dating Travis the second time?
A: Um yes, I was aware of th the calls and texts. Um.. all the time.

Q: Was the email you sent to Travis before or after you heard he cheated on you with Jodi?
A: It was less then 24 hours after.. so I was very upset

Q: Did you ever refer to Jodi Arias as a stalker of Travis Alexander?
A: Yes

Q: Did Travis ever call you names?
A: No

Q: Did you personally feel threatened by Travis
A: No

Q: Was Travis ever abusive to you?
A: No

Q: Did he ask you to have sex with him?
A: No

Q: Did you feel pressured to do anything?
A: No

Q: Did Travis ever make sexual advances to you, while you were dating?
A: No, just all it was was making out

Q: How do you define cheating?
A: Um, what I understood it to be and what I would still understand it to be, is if you are in a committed relationship and you .. whether you're kissing .. or.. any other sexual activity is going on outside that committed relationship, I would consider that cheating.

Q: If you were shocked to hear Travis was a virgin, why did you break up with him after you found out he was cheating on you?
A: I'm sorry can you repeat that one again?

Q: Yes. If you were shocked to hear Travis was a virgin, why did you break up with him after you found out he was cheating on you?
A: No, I I believed him to be a virgin and so I I broke up with him because I he had done whatever it was with Jodi. That's what I had believed and then he had told me that was not the truth, so I did get back together with him after that.

Q: Did you feel that Travis job interfered with your relationship, with regard to travel and phone calls?
A: Yes

 

[TigerBalm]

Some said Desiree would have been 13 or so during the trips she and Dan took with Travis and the defendant, not true.

Direct from Willmott:
Q: Ah I wanna talk to you about um.. ah a little bit more about the trips.
A: Okay

Q: Ah do you remember when Grand Canyon and Sedona when that trip was?
A: I think it was .. it was in the summer time around June or so .. after I graduated

Q: After you graduated June of 2007, is that the year
A: Yes

http://youtu.be/dNNcqk2ps5Y?t=15m46s

 

[Carol2]

Looks like TigerBalm beat me to it, so I will just post photos of the courtroom:

 

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Nancy Grace comes in:

 

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[Carol2]

Here are a few moments when Jodi shows any reaction to Darryl Brewer's testimony:

 

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Lisa lists some words like "fart" that Travis doesn't like:

 

[Carol2]

Wednesday morning - families:

 

[TigerBalm]

Defense attorney started leaning forward but notice the height difference

Tada ... she is smaller then the defense attorney

Defense witness Daniel Freeman, continued on direct

 

[wenwe4]

Daniel Freeman . .. . met TA 2 yrs prior to his mission - he went to Canada 04-06 proseltizing . . . .

PPL - once he moved to AZ they became better friends than before he left for his mission- he lived with TA after he returned from his mission

Baptizing after proseletizing . . . . lifelong member of the church . . . .DF has been involved in baptism . . . . they give up things in their life (ie: drinking/smoking) . . . talk to the Bishop - justified by the way you live your life. . . . ceremony goes with it - talks - short speech about their baptism . . . .receiving holy ghost . . . . walk down to water - person baptising holds them in the water - holds their right arm to the square -- dunk under from waist up . . . . to be able to baptise - you have to hold proper priesthood - worthy holder then you are able to baptise . . .. Priesthood holder vs. Elder . . . lesser Aarronic priesthood . . . deacons & priests - age 12-18 , At age 18 - you become an Elder able to baptise and hold priesthood as well . . . . TA was an Elder in the church - someone would have to come with idea living with Mormon principles - including Law of Chastity - he wasn't present when JA was baptised but he mentioned he introduced her to Book of Mormon - didn't have any thoughts or ideas that TA was not living up to the principles of the church . . . .TA's peer group was made up largely up of members of the church . . . . Grand Canyon/Sedona trip - they were acting as a couple . . . undercurrent couple with a little tension -

Mr. A and JA acting as a couple - Grand Canyon/Sedona trip - don't remember any tensions between them @ all . . . behaviors consistent with them being a couple . . . stopped in Sedona to eat - small resteraunt to eat - TA joked to the waitress in a flirtatious manner . . . JA was sitting @ table @ the time. . . . couldn't tell if she was upset but she seemed uncomfortable . . . . Summer 07 - trip to Grand Canyon was weeks or months later than the Havisupai(sic?) . . . . don't remember the exact time

That trip sleeping arrangements - day trip - early to Grand Canyon and hiked around and stopped in Sedona - no sleeping. DF was not understanding TA was also dating Lisa at that time . . .. no tension - aside from the

Point in time where you became aware TA were (?) . . . . once we had - after I moved out TA made a lot more friends in the Ward he would have UFC fights on tv @ his house - there was a group of friends there - on fight nights JA would be there -2 groups not mixing . . . . .during that time - after the trips - later that fall nd winter - hung out with TA and JA separately but I knew they were hanging out together . . . they were separated but not officially split up - talking to TA said he was going to talk to JA and shortly thereafter JA moved back to Calif.

Times when TA an JA spent time together - it was just the 2 of them . . . . don't think a lot of people knew about that - some select few - others mayhave known but TA didn't talk about it . . . . . TA and JA took 2 trips - one was day trip - took lot pics . . . . around the Convention a church history site tour for 4 or 5 days . . . . road tripto the convention then around after that.

Did you ever think JA was disingenious to the Mormon Faith as a way to get TA?
Objection
Approach

 

[KMouse]

January 31

Defence Case-in-chief

Day 3

DANIEL FREEMAN
--Continuation of the direct exam from yesterday.
--Daniel met Travis two years prior to his mission from 2004-2006 when he went to Canada. Daniel met Travis a couple of years before the mission and then after he returned from the mission.
--Daniel lived with Travis for 3-4 months after returning from the mission in Canada.
--Nurmi is reviewing Daniel's mission work with the church & has been involved with a baptism in the church.
--Baptism is done at the end of a process which includes giving up drinking, smoking, etc. to have to prove to the church that they are worthy. Justify to the world that you have changed.
--Baptismal ceremony includes talks, the missionaries and friends will have short speeches about what it means. The person being baptised is held by the arm, the person baptised is immersed in waist deep water.
--How would one be qualified to baptize a person? You would have to be an elder in the church and hold the proper priesthood, if you are a worthy then you can
--Two priesthoods, lesser and greater. If you are an elder you can baptise and give the holy ghost.
--Travis was an elder in the church.
--To be one you would have to live in accordance to Morman principles such as the vow of chastity.
--Jodi was baptised before Daniel met her.
--Daniel is asked if he had any reason to believe that Travis was not living up to the principals of the church.
--Travis' peer group was largely made up of members of the church.
--Re: trip to Grand Canyon/Sedona, Daniel doesn't remember any tension between Jodi and Travis on the trip. When they stopped in Sedona to eat, Travis made a joking comment to the waitress about him and Jodi not dating. Daniel thought this was flirtatious towards the waitress. Daniel couldn't tell if Jodi was upset but she wasn't sure how to take the comment.
--Re: Trip to Grand Canyon, it was after the trip to Havisupi (september?), Daniel believes it to be a day trip, no need for sleeping arrangements.
--Re: Grand Canyon trip, Daniel was not of the understanding that Travis was also dating Lisa Andrews.
--Reiterated there was no tention between Travis and Jodi.
--Daniel became aware of Travis and Jodi no longer dating, Travis would have UFC fight nights at his house and Jodi was not there. There were two groups of friends that did not mix.
--Daniel was aware of Travis and Jodi still spending time together, he heard about them spending time together, he knew there was tension and Daniel saw them seperately.
--Travis told Daniel they had not officially split up but Travis was going to talk to her and then she moved back to California.
--Did Daniel know of Jodi and Travis travelling together? "yes", they went down to the baloon festival. Also went on a church history tour.
--Did Daniel ever have any concerns that Jodi's interest in the Mormon church or her Baptism was disingenuous?

Objection, counsel approach

 

[TigerBalm]

Travis' sisters

 

[TigerBalm]

Asking if she told him (Daniel) about killing Travis

 

[TigerBalm]

Asking about being a chaperone

 

[Zeno49]

JA admitted to killing TA. She has several options open to her given this admission.
1) She did it but was insane when she did it.
2) She did it but was justified in the killing based on self defense. Self defense is an affirmative defense and the burden of proof ( I think) shifts to the defense to prove it with “reasonable certainty”. There is substantial case law governing this defense. I believe it is insufficient merely to claim that “I thought he was going to kill me”. There must be more than mere perception of a threat. There must be evidence that the victim was indeed menacing ie had a weapon and was going to use it (not just a feint or bluster) and was most certainly going to kill JA. JA case would be bolstered if TA had some type of weapon and had indeed struck JA with the weapon. Baring this JA cannot just say TA was angry and was swearing at me and remonstrating. TA must be seen as attacking JA in a way that would have been lethal had she not exercised self-defense. It does no good for JA to attack first and then claim she was defending herself from the reaction to the first mover. Also it is insufficient to say “TA hit me or grabbed me in a tight grip”. It might be exonerating if TA had begun choking her in a way that would have rendered her unconscious had she NOT freed herself from this lethal embrace and then launched her own counter attack. In this instance, TA was nude hence the only thing he could have done, excepting the chance of grabbing a blunt instrument and bludgeoning her, is to grab JA around the neck and attempt to throttle her into unconsciousness. Strangulation can be viewed as “attempted murder”. Bruises on the arms or face do not necessarily translate as “attempted murder”.
3) Typically in a self-defense excuse the defendant has a duty to escape or at least attempt to escape a violent confrontation. In most states, you can stand your ground if the assault occurs in home. In that setting TA could have killed JA had he remained alive and consequently TA could have been completely excused BECAUSE and on the sole basis that JA, assailant, initiated a potential lethal assault. TA even tried to flee the assailant JA. For example TA could have wrested the knife away from JA as he was being attacked and then proceed to kill her. This would have been an entirely justified homicide – no questions asked. JA on the other hand had the duty to attempt to escape TA’s menacing lunge towards her.
4) IMAGINED SELF DEFENSE SCENARIO OF TA VS JA
On its face, the imagined situation – JA’s story of TA’s abrupt turn towards murderous anger - favors a successful avoidance of a murder. First, imagine how self-defense might have REALLY PLAYED OUT in TA's bathroom in June 2008. Here, JA was dressed and standing guard at the edge of the shower stall. TA would have had to lunge with such alacrity and such precision OUT OF THE WET SHOWER STALL so as to attain a death grip on JA’s neck. In this case JA should have been utterly surprised and her “flight response” must have become delayed. In any case, the desired outcome of such a struggle is that JA engaged in an unexpected struggle, she squirms out of TA’s death grip and then in turn quickly flees the scene. In this sequence JA should have been able to show bruising around her arms and especially neck. However, JA’s “problem” in this scenario is her immediate access to TWO different lethal weapons. JA was surprised by TA’s turn to outrage and his unanticipated lunge towards her. TA, as the assailant, MUST HAVE HAD first mover advantage and the element of surprise. YET, JA managed to 1) obtain a gun 2) obtain a knife AND THEN 3) effectively use these two weapons in her response to TA’s surprise attack 4) AND THEN inflict over 2 dozen knife wounds PLUS a gunshot to the head.

To explain this overkill taking place during TA’s defensive behavior almost requires a flight of fancy and the invocation of a sequence that one might see in the movie “The Terminator”. Here, JA engaged in a colossal violent altercation manages to “miraculously” grab a knife and/ or gun in such a way as to turn the tables thus consequently blunting TA’s attack. JA manages to finally land an injurious blow to TA in such a way that TA’s strength and rage are neutralized. JA must then claim that TA – despite slowing down and bleeding from either chest, head, or back wounds – WAS STILL ALIVE AND ON THE ATTACK. IN ADDITION, at this juncture THERE STILL WAS NO ESCAPE FROM TA’s BATHROOM OR BEDROOM. Bleeding, TA relentlessly advanced toward JA. JA, in utter panic, launched her wild maneuvers with the knife. Adrenalin surged through her terror stricken heart. Finally with superhuman strength JA landed a knife slash to TA’s neck . This blow led to fairly quick exsanguination and an end to the imminent threat of death to JA

EXPLANATION OF POST MORTUM BEHAVIOR
After this murderous confrontation between TA and JA, JA was standing beside a bloody corpse. She was IN SHOCK and overwhelmed with panic. After realizing that she had survived and that she was standing witness to a grisly blood spattered crime scene she vaguely thought that no authority or third party listener would believe such an extraordinary event. JA’s mental apparatus then switched to “flee” mode. Still filled with terror, she dragged the corpse to the shower to clean her former “beloved”. She wanted to quickly distance herself from this grotesque encounter as if to deny its actuality. From the early clean up, crime scene staging, the camera photo deletion, and disrobing from her blood soaked pants and shirt to the point of speeding north to SLC, JA was in a kind of automatic fugue state. She managed to psychologically dis-associate herself with the person who had to kill the beloved TA. This explains her blithe voice mail to TA at 11:30PM and her seeming indifference with the new male suitor in SLC.

EXPLANATION OF ACCESS TO GUN AND KNIFE
JA felt she needed a gun for self-protection while making the drive from North California to Pasadena then to Mesa. The gun was in her purse. The knife was used in the kinky sex acts using ropes. After the imaginative sex with TA, JA dressed and put the knife in her pocket- as a convenience. Because she planned on leaving Mesa shortly, the gun was also put into her pocket so that it could be safely stored in the car after departing in the rental car.

HAIR COLOR, PIGTAILS, AND GAS CAN
JA had been told TA fantasized about sex with her in a way that JA poses as a little girl with brown hair and pigtails. JA dutifully obliges.
TA calls her and tells her to “hurry up to Mesa”. JA decides to oblige and she obtains gas cans so that she would not be delayed at a gas station.

INITIAL POLIC INTERROGATION
JA acts out as if innocent since she has dis associated herself with the act of self-defense homicide. She has blocked the TA homicide out by employing a psychological defense mechanism. She lies because she believes no one would believe that TA was abusive and had attempted to strangle her

5) JA could maintain she acted out of abrupt rage. TA and JA got into a combative heated argument when he was in the shower. TA knocked the camera down and became enraged. Out of anger JA shot and slashed him. This sequence speaks to “heat of the moment” crime and might be viewed as manslaughter or second degree murder.

 

[wenwe4]

JA came by his home to meet his family and worked with his foster sister helping with photography homework . . . . hung out with his sister Desiree . . . . his whole family is LDS . . .. discuss Mormon faith with JA? yes . . . a lot of things we talked about things learning, her conversion, spirituality - things going on in her singles ward - not a daily conversation . . . . any reason to believe her conversion was disingenuous? no

Between breaking up with TA and her moving back to CAlif . . . when they were unsure what they were doing - Desiree and I would invite JA over to hang out . . . . never have a romantic interest in JA? . . . How do you view her? She became a Sister . . . . JA and I would talk on occassion when she came to town . . . she would swing by and see the family or sometimes go see TA and sometimes we would see each other . . . .

Made contact with JA after TA passed . . . . Brent Hyatt said they found TA and thought someone should call and tell JA - DF called JA n the phone . . .. her demeanor on the phone? . . . . DF didn't knowwhat to say on phone . . . TA had been found . . . other end of the call was silent - she was emotional . . . . . couldn't think of anything to say . . . hung up after a couple of minutes.

Cross by Prosecutor

Weren't there when she was baptised . . . . give up certain things ie: pre-marital sex. . . . did you know TA was having oral sex with JA at the time of her baptism? No . . . I would agree that she was not ready to be baptised . . . .

called her 11:00 at night on phone - told her TA was gone - moment of silence - she began to babble . . . mumble "oh my goodness" cry, sounded disbelieving , we were friends she would confide in DF some things . . . didn't confide she killed TA . . . is that a lie if she didn't confide she killed TA?

She didn't confide she killed him . . . DF didn't cut her off. . . .let her talk

TA was going to have a talk with JA about breaking up . . .objection - hearsay -overruled

TA was goin to officially separate - they weren't dating but still hanging out on the weekends . . . after that she moved to Calif

Trip to Havisupai .. . backpack belonged to DF but there were some things in it . . . .realized it was way too heavy - took some things out . . . . TA and sister were standing there - hike 13 miles - lighten the load .. . . person carry backpak - TA and he were going to carry

JA became upset in general - not upset @ DF or TA but upset because stuff taken out? object speculation - sustained

Items taken out were makeup sort items, makeup, lotion, hand sanitizer, hair things, 10 - 15 lbs worth of different thing . . . . she was upset and went upstairs . . . TA said made a sarcastic comment - JA said something back and she became emotional and then went upstairs . . ..she didn't just stand there andtake it she said something back - TA went up there for 20 min before DF went up . . . . neither TA and JA were happy because DF went into the backpak . . . . into the car they went to Havisupai . . . pretty quiet -silent - neither were sayng mean things to each other

Picture taking . .. TA was asked by JA to stop so JA could take pictures (while we were driving - that sounds familiar) . . . . if that did occur happened on the way to Grand Canyon - a point somewhere they did have a "squak" something to do with taking photos. . . don't remember exactly

Havisupai - 3 nights 4 nights . . . . 2 or 3 full days in the Canyon - everyone had a hammock and sleeping bag - swim in first waterfall. . . .sister and JA were talking then TA and JA were talking - we were far enough ahead of them they were having a disagreement about something. . . .. we went and swam for 1.5 hrs. . . we were done swimming it was a substantial amount of time . . . TA put these trips together - - Sedona and Grand Canyon . . .. I wasn't dating anyone .. . .my Sister was safe for everyone to take. . . . part of the reason tookyou along was TA didn't want to be alone with her? . . . . He liked that when I was there or when my Sister was there they weren't as physical . . .saw yourself as a chaperone? . . . . I could

TA asked you to be in that role? correct . . . . TA was about 5'8" and DF is 6'2" - he was fit - always working out - running. . . .. JA might be slightly taller than TA but not sure. . .

Re-direct

DF you were asked about being a Chaperone for this trip? yes. . . .how does church view 2 individuals not married traveling alone together - . . . depends on who you talk to . . .not encouraged . . . .frowned upon but not if you don't sleep in same room together - 2 other people there would stop concerns . . . . because he didn't want to be alone with her . . . Did JA force her way on this trip? no . . . .

TA was as tallas DF's shoulder - ran every day - had numerous exercises, lift weights, dosn't recall if there was a punching bag. .. . ever see him strike anything? . . . .yes. . . .something like a punching bag . . . . over the course of UFC fight nights, powerful punch

JA not worthy being baptised if performing oral sex on TA . . . . how someone obtains position to have the ability to baptise - that person receiving oral sex would not be worthy of baptising someone until repentance process . . . . Elder violating vow of chastity they would lose their position inthe church or lose their status? . . . . if is known within the church go to a disciplinary counsel - they would go thru probationary period - can come to church, no take sacrament, no talks, not allowed to participate as Counsel states, . . . .sanctions could include excommunication (and disfellowship). . . . if someone face disciplinary actions not take sacrament . . . . others would see that . . . sometimes people feel they slipped up during the week sometimes they will not take sacrament until they feel worthy . . .

law of chastity, word of wisdom - not drinking or smoking - those issues take up with your Bishop but other things like slipping up this week for not acting or wanting to work on something for yourself is different

Other people who knew JA . . . JA was confused about where they stood in the home with TA . . . . .accusations that JA was saying . . . .JA loved TA
objection - sustained on foundation - inquire further

Spent alot of time with TA and JA and went on trips, like a Sister to you, gave signs she was confused about her relationship with TA .. .based upon all those are you under the im . .. .

at any point in time .. object - sustained

when they were dating you went to Havisupai - observed there do you believe JA loved TA? . . . . I believe she was . . . I believe she did love him but wanted to know where they stood?

Same impression about her loving TA and being confused . . . . same that she talked to your family with regard to feelings of TA . . . . TA would call and text

Questions from th Jury - counsel approach

 

[wenwe4]

JA came by his home to meet his family and worked with his foster sister helping with photography homework . . . . hung out with his sister Desiree . . . . his whole family is LDS . . .. discuss Mormon faith with JA? yes . . . a lot of things we talked about things learning, her conversion, spirituality - things going on in her singles ward - not a daily conversation . . . . any reason to believe her conversion was disingenuous? no

Between breaking up with TA and her moving back to CAlif . . . when they were unsure what they were doing - Desiree and I would invite JA over to hang out . . . . never have a romantic interest in JA? . . . How do you view her? She became a Sister . . . . JA and I would talk on occassion when she came to town . . . she would swing by and see the family or sometimes go see TA and sometimes we would see each other . . . .

Made contact with JA after TA passed . . . . Brent Hyatt said they found TA and thought someone should call and tell JA - DF called JA n the phone . . .. her demeanor on the phone? . . . . DF didn't knowwhat to say on phone . . . TA had been found . . . other end of the call was silent - she was emotional . . . . . couldn't think of anything to say . . . hung up after a couple of minutes.

Cross by Prosecutor

Weren't there when she was baptised . . . . give up certain things ie: pre-marital sex. . . . did you know TA was having oral sex with JA at the time of her baptism? No . . . I would agree that she was not ready to be baptised . . . .

called her 11:00 at night on phone - told her TA was gone - moment of silence - she began to babble . . . mumble "oh my goodness" cry, sounded disbelieving , we were friends she would confide in DF some things . . . didn't confide she killed TA . . . is that a lie if she didn't confide she killed TA?

She didn't confide she killed him . . . DF didn't cut her off. . . .let her talk

TA was going to have a talk with JA about breaking up . . .objection - hearsay -overruled

TA was goin to officially separate - they weren't dating but still hanging out on the weekends . . . after that she moved to Calif

Trip to Havisupai .. . backpack belonged to DF but there were some things in it . . . .realized it was way too heavy - took some things out . . . . TA and sister were standing there - hike 13 miles - lighten the load .. . . person carry backpak - TA and he were going to carry

JA became upset in general - not upset @ DF or TA but upset because stuff taken out? object speculation - sustained

Items taken out were makeup sort items, makeup, lotion, hand sanitizer, hair things, 10 - 15 lbs worth of different thing . . . . she was upset and went upstairs . . . TA said made a sarcastic comment - JA said something back and she became emotional and then went upstairs . . ..she didn't just stand there andtake it she said something back - TA went up there for 20 min before DF went up . . . . neither TA and JA were happy because DF went into the backpak . . . . into the car they went to Havisupai . . . pretty quiet -silent - neither were sayng mean things to each other

Picture taking . .. TA was asked by JA to stop so JA could take pictures (while we were driving - that sounds familiar) . . . . if that did occur happened on the way to Grand Canyon - a point somewhere they did have a "squak" something to do with taking photos. . . don't remember exactly

Havisupai - 3 nights 4 nights . . . . 2 or 3 full days in the Canyon - everyone had a hammock and sleeping bag - swim in first waterfall. . . .sister and JA were talking then TA and JA were talking - we were far enough ahead of them they were having a disagreement about something. . . .. we went and swam for 1.5 hrs. . . we were done swimming it was a substantial amount of time . . . TA put these trips together - - Sedona and Grand Canyon . . .. I wasn't dating anyone .. . .my Sister was safe for everyone to take. . . . part of the reason tookyou along was TA didn't want to be alone with her? . . . . He liked that when I was there or when my Sister was there they weren't as physical . . .saw yourself as a chaperone? . . . . I could

TA asked you to be in that role? correct . . . . TA was about 5'8" and DF is 6'2" - he was fit - always working out - running. . . .. JA might be slightly taller than TA but not sure. . .

Re-direct

DF you were asked about being a Chaperone for this trip? yes. . . .how does church view 2 individuals not married traveling alone together - . . . depends on who you talk to . . .not encouraged . . . .frowned upon but not if you don't sleep in same room together - 2 other people there would stop concerns . . . . because he didn't want to be alone with her . . . Did JA force her way on this trip? no . . . .

TA was as tallas DF's shoulder - ran every day - had numerous exercises, lift weights, dosn't recall if there was a punching bag. .. . ever see him strike anything? . . . .yes. . . .something like a punching bag . . . . over the course of UFC fight nights, powerful punch

JA not worthy being baptised if performing oral sex on TA . . . . how someone obtains position to have the ability to baptise - that person receiving oral sex would not be worthy of baptising someone until repentance process . . . . Elder violating vow of chastity they would lose their position inthe church or lose their status? . . . . if is known within the church go to a disciplinary counsel - they would go thru probationary period - can come to church, no take sacrament, no talks, not allowed to participate as Counsel states, . . . .sanctions could include excommunication (and disfellowship). . . . if someone face disciplinary actions not take sacrament . . . . others would see that . . . sometimes people feel they slipped up during the week sometimes they will not take sacrament until they feel worthy . . .

law of chastity, word of wisdom - not drinking or smoking - those issues take up with your Bishop but other things like slipping up this week for not acting or wanting to work on something for yourself is different

Other people who knew JA . . . JA was confused about where they stood in the home with TA . . . . .accusations that JA was saying . . . .JA loved TA
objection - sustained on foundation - inquire further

Spent alot of time with TA and JA and went on trips, like a Sister to you, gave signs she was confused about her relationship with TA .. .based upon all those are you under the im . .. .

at any point in time .. object - sustained

when they were dating you went to Havisupai - observed there do you believe JA loved TA? . . . . I believe she was . . . I believe she did love him but wanted to know where they stood?

Same impression about her loving TA and being confused . . . . same that she talked to your family with regard to feelings of TA . . . . TA would call and text

Questions from th Jury - counsel approach

 

[wenwe4]

Juror questions
1) what is UFC fight night . . . Ultimate Fight Championship . . .. travis would have friends over potluck

2) Arguements betweenTA and JA different than other couples?
no

3) Were they similar in severity to othr couples?
yes



5) . . .Other than

6) Did ou ever see tA call JA names?
no

7) ever see TA physically harm JA?
No

Defense
UFC - mixed martial arts - various styles of MMA . . . . boxing, wrestling, these are really real fights

Noon recess

 

[KMouse]

January 31
Defence Case-in-chief
Day 3

DANIEL FREEMAN, JANUARY 31, PART 2

--Daniel began to hang out with Jodi without Travis. It was when he was living back at home with his parents, his brother and one of his sisters. Jodi also had relationships with the other members of the family. She came by for dinner and helped a foster sister with her photography homework.
--Daniel discussed spirituality with Jodi.
--Daniel does not have any reason to believe that Jodi's conversion wasn't genuine.
--Daniel did not have a romantic interest in Jodi. To him she became a sister in his family.
--After Jodi moved to California they would talk on occasion they would talk when she came into town. Sometimes Jodi would stop by the house.
--Daniel contacted Jodi after Travis was murdered.
--One of Daniel's friend's went to the house and told him and he called Jodi.
--When Daniel spoke to her over the phone he didn't know what to say, he told her that Travis had been found, the other end was silent, Jodi became emotional and started to cry on the phone, after two minutes he hung up so she could be with herself.

CROSS EXAMINATION
--re: spirituality/baptism. Daniel wasn't present so he wouldn't know her motivation to be baptised. One of the things people give up is sex and Daniel didn't know that Jodi was having oral sex at the time of her baptism.
--Hyatt called Jodi around 2300 hours the night Travis was found. Daniel told her that "Travis was gone" and then there was a moment of silence and then Jodi started to cry and mumble "oh my goodness". Jodi sounded disbelieving. Jodi did not confide that she had killed Travis. Daniel gave Jodi the opportunity on the phone to talk but she did not say she killed Travis.
--re: Travis having a talk with Jodi. Travis said that he was going to have the talk with her about breaking up.
--re: Trip to Havisupi, did not start very well. Daniel looked in the backpack that was full of Jodi's things. He went through the backpack and started taking things out. Travis was present and so was sister Freeman. Daniel went through the backpack to lighten the load. Jodi came down from upstairs and saw the items that had been taken out and she got upset. No other reason for Jodi to be upset other than the backpack items. The items taken out were lotion, makeup, hand sanitizer, hair things, 10-15 lbs of different things. Travis made a sarcastic comment, then Jodi said something back, became emotional and she went upstairs and then Travis went upstairs. Daniel could hear them talking and then he went upstairs after about twenty minutes. Neither of them were happy. This all started because Daniel had went through the backpack. They then all went on their trip. Travis was driving, Jodi was in the passenger seat. After some time the tension in the car faded.
--re: photos in Havisupi or Grand Canyon, Daniel remebers "a squawk" that had something to do with taking pictures.
--re: Havisupi trip. Everybody had a hammok and a sleeping bag. The first day when they went to go swimming in the waterfall, Travis and Jodi were talking and Daniel could tell that they were having a disagreement. Daniel and his sister took off and swam somewhere else.
--Travis put the trip to Havisupi together. Daniel didn't have anybody to go with so he asked his sister to go. Travis didn't want to be alone with Jodi on the trip. Travis liked it when Daniel or his sister was there because it wasn't as physical. Martinez is reminding Daniel about earlier converstations years ago where Daniel said that Travis asked him to be there in a chaperone role.
--Travis is 5'8" and Daniel is 6'2". Travis was fit, always working out. Jodi is slightly taller than Travis.

REDIRECT
--re: being a "chaperone" on the trip. How does the church view two people who aren't married travelling together? Officially it's frowned upon but as long as they aren't sleeping in the same room it is okay. If there are other people there it wouldn't be suspicious.
--Jodi did not force her way onto this trip
--re: Travis being fit, he would run every day. He would life weights. Doesn't recall Travis having a punching bag. Daniel saw Travis strike a punching bag or something like a punching bag. Travis has a powerful punch.
--re: Jodi being worthy of being baptised if she were performing oral sex on Travis. Somebody in the position of being an elder would not lose their status of an elder in the church they would go to a disciplinary council who would decide if they would be kicked out of the church or they would be given a probationary period. Probation means they cannot give prayers or take the sacrement. Sanctions can include excommunication.
--re: knowing if Jodi and Travis were boyfriend/girlfriend. Daniel heard from people that Jodi was stalking Travis but he never thought it. Jodi would talk to Daniel's mother about their relationship.
--Daniel's impression was that Jodi loved Travis. Martinez objects.
--Daniel spent a lot of time with Jodi and Travis. She was confused about her relationship with Travis. The defence is trying to get an answer from Daniel that Jodi loved Travis.

JURY QUESTIONS

1) What is UFC fight night?
answer: Ultimate fighting championship on TV. Travis had a projector with a big screen, big get together, people would bring potluck food.
2) The arguements that Jodi and Travis had were they different than any other couples'?
answer: I didn't think so
3) Were these normal arguements a couple would have?
answer: yes
4) Did you ever see Travis hit Jodi?
Answer: no
5) Were there others not included in both groups (of friends)?
Answer: my sister on occasion and Aaron, one of Travis' roommates
6) Did you ever hear Travis call Jodi names?
answer: no
7) Did you ever see Travis physically harm Jodi?
answer: no

Nurmi goes on to ask Daniel what goes on in UFC fights? Are they olympic wrestling type fights?
Answer: Mixed martial arts, boxing, muay thai