*graphic and adult content* Jodi Arias Trial media/ timeline thread **no discussion**

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JM: Well let's do this. With regard to you and Mr. Alexander, one of the things that happened was that you and he broke up, you understand that, back on June 29 of 2007
JA: Yes
JM: and the person that did the breaking up was you, right
JA: Yes
JM: And the reason you broke up with him, is because you snooped into his telephone, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you did not have his permission on the day that you did it to go into his telephone, right?
JA: Not exclusively
JM: When you say not exclusively it means that you did have his permission to go into his phone, you understand what you're saying, right?
JA: Yes, at one point, I did.
JM: I’m not asking at one point, I’m asking on the day that you did it, did you have permission whether written or oral to go into his telephone and look at his text messages
JA: Um, he's told me to look at his phone, so I guess it's just a matter of interpretation
JM: Ma'am, ma'am, that day before he went to sleep did he tell you it was okay to look at his telephone
JA: Not that day
JM: And so you took it upon yourself to look into that telephone, right
JA: Yes
JM: And that’s when you saw these text messages, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And that what upset you
JA: Yes
JM: And as a result of that, you made a decision that the relationship was over, right
JA: Not right that day
JM: At some point you did make the decision that the relationship was over, right?
JA: Yes
JM: But you were upset that he was having these conversations about bodily parts with these other individuals via text message, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you were so upset you still decided to go on vacation with him, right?
JA: That's not why
JM: Well, you still went on vacation with him even though you had this information, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you went to New York
JA: We did go to New York, yes
JM: Pardon
JA: Yes we did went to New York
JM: And then you drove, or went to a PPL conference also, right?
JA: No it was a retreat
JM: Then you went to Huntington Beach, right
JA: That was the retreat I was referring to
JM: So you went to Huntington Beach after that, right
JA: Yes
JM: And you stayed wit him, right
JA: Yes
JM: You engaged in sexual conduct with him, right
JA: Yes
JM:* Even though you were very upset with what you knew
JA:* Yes
JM:* You chose to go on vacation rather than break up with him at that point, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And so the way you see if it, it’s his fault, that you broke up, not yours?
KN:* Objection, mischaracterizes testimony
Judge Overruled, you may answer
JA:* His fault I broke up with him
JM:* Yes, not your fault
JA: Well it was my choice so I don't know what you mean by fault
JM: Well, we’re talking about who’s to blame, that's what fault means, right?
JA: For the breakup
JM: For the breakup, that's what we're talking about, right.
JA: I guess we each had a part in it
JM: Well no,you’re saying it’s his fault because he was doing these things with other women, right?
JA: His fault for the breakup because he was doing things?
JM: The way you explained it was the reason you broke up was because of something he did, right
JA: That’s what motivated me to break up with him
JM: So what you did, the fact that you went behind his back *to look at his telephone had nothing to do with the breakup, right
JA: That was also one of the reasons
JM: So you believe that you were to blame for going behind his back
JA: Yes
JM: That was a dishonest thing to do, right
JA: Yes, I felt very badly
JM: Did I ask you whether or not you felt bad about it
JA: No
JM: You say that you feel bad about it, but haven’t you done similar stuff in the past
JA: Umm, yes
JM: I mean you did it to Bobby Juarez, right
JA: Yes
JM: You went behind his back and looked at the computer, right
JA: Yes
JM: you went behind Matt McCartney’s back and you went and talked to Bianca, right?
JA: I didn’t go behind his back
JM: You told him you were going to Bianca
JA: I would have
JM: Ma’am the question is did you go to him before you went to talked to Bianca
JA:* No he wasn’t available
JM: Did you talk to him before you went to talk to Bianca
JA: No, he wasn't available
JM: Ma’am, you said he wasn’t available, could you have waited until he was available to see if it was okay to talk to Bianca, you could have?
JA: Yeah, but I would have been miserable for several days
JM: Oh, so it's all about you then, right
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Sustained
JM: You could have waited, right, but you didn't want to
JA: I chose not to
JM: That's right because you would have been miserable, right
JA: Yes
JM: And you didn't want to be miserable, right
JA: That’s right
JM: And so this dishonesty that you've said involved Mr. Alexander you have at least on two prevoius occasions engaged in the same sort of dishonesty, right?
JA: Um yes
JM: And with regard to
JA: I take that back, I don’t think it was dishonest, to go talk to Bianca, so I guess one time because I do believe that the emails with Bobby was dishonest.
JM: But you did engage with regard to Mr. McCartney that he did not know about before you did it, right?
JA: Um with regard to the conduct that I didn’t know about
JM: No, I'm asking, the fact that you went to see Bianca, isn’t it true that Mr. McCartney did not know about it before you went to talk to her, right
JA: That's right
JM: So that was behind his back, wasn't it
JA: No, because that implies sneaking around
JM: That was because why?
JA: To me that implies sneaking around and I wasn't doing that, I wasopen and direct about it
JM: You weren't sneaking around you just didn't tell him about, right, that's the distinction you're trying to draw here?
JA: Only because he wasn’t available
JM: But that’s the distinction you’re drawing here is that you were not sneaking around, right?
KN: Objection asked and answered
Judge: Overruled
JM: Right?
JA: Yes, it was not dishonest.
JM: With regard to Mr. Alexander, looking at his telephone, or viewing his text messages wasn’t the only time that you actually went and looked at one of his communication mediums, right?
JA: Yes
JM: In fact you and he became an item in February of 2007
JA : Yes
JM: That's when you made it official, you were living in palm desert
JA: Uh, yes
JM: And you were living in Palm Desert, but at some point you were able to look at his computer , right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you looked at his computer at his house in Mesa, right
JA: Yes
JM: And you looked at his computer and you started to look at some of the items what in My Space, right?
JA: Yes, his MySpace emails
JM: Pardon
JA: His My Space emails
JM: But it was in My Space, right
JA: Yes
JM And you looked at some of the emails that were there, right
JA: Yes, I did
JM: And even though you didn’t have permission to look at those emails, did you
JA: I don't know it was kind of a trade-off cuz he did it to me, too
JM: I’m not asking if he did it to you, am I?
JA: No
JM: I’m asking if you had permission to go into his My space to look at his emails?
JA: No, I guess I didn't
JM: And so again there is this conduct, this dishonest conduct on your pasrt, right
JA: yes
JM: When you went and you looked at his emails and you saw some emails between him and at least two females, right?
JA: Yes
JM: One of them involved a, the, New Years eve meeting, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And that upset you, right?
JA:* Um, not really
JA:* Well it didn’t make me happy, right?
JA* It didn’t thrill me
JM:* Pardon
JA:* It didn’t thrill me
JM:* So, if it didn’t thrill you that’s a way of saying it didn’t make you happy, right?
KN: Objection,
Judge, overruled
JA* That’s right
JM: and, but that happened before you and he were officially dating, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And so that really shouldn’t have had any bearing on how you felt
JA: That wasn't the part that bothered me
JM: I understand that, Okay, tell me the part that bothered you
JA: He lied to me about what it was about
JM: He lied to you about what it was about after you confronted him, right
JA: No, he called me, preemptively, me
JM: Ma’am you looked at his My Space email, right?
JA: yes
JM: Then you and he had a conversation about it
JA: Yes
JM: So it wasn’t he ha d aconversation about it before you looked at his My space email
JA: About the messages, yes we did
JM: So he talked to you about them before?
JA: Yes
JM: If he talked to you about them before then why were you upset
JA: Because I found out that what he said was false
JM: Oh, I see, He lied to you, then right?
JA:* About the messages
JM: And what you were doing is, you were sort of checking up on him, right?
JA: Yeah, I was
JM:* And that’s because you wanted to see whether or not he was cheating on you, right?
JA: No, it wouldn’t have been cheating in December because we weren’t together yet, I wanted to see if it was accurate.
JM: Okay so nything that he was telling you, you would want to check to make sure he was being truthful to you, right?
JA: That’s not right not anything.
JM: Things having to do with relationshps involving other women, right?
JA: Um, Sometimes
JM: In this case that’s what you did, right?
JA: This thing, particularly, yes
JM: And this is the other one that involved an email that you were particularly offended by, right
JA: The other email
JM: Yes
JA: Yes
JM: And you were particularly offended, because you said that the woman who was involved there was married, right?
JA: Yes, she was married
JM: What was the woman’s name
JA: I don’t want to destroy anyone’s marriage
JM: So what was the woman's name
JA: Shannon C-P
JM: And you believe she was married and you believed they were doing something they shouldn't have been doing, right?
JA:* She was married, and by LDS standards what they were talking about was very inappropriate
JM:* All they were doing was talking, right?
JA:* They were joking about getting together for a sexual liason
JM: they were joking about it, right?
JA: I hope it was joking
JM: Didn’t you just say they were joking about i?

KN: Objection, as to whether or not they were joking
Judge: Overruled, you may answer
JA: Umm, he was joking about his wet dream with her
JM: Ma’am, isn’t it true that you they were joking
JA: I did say that, yes
JM: And the reason you said that is because you believe it right?
JA: Because he told me later after I confronted him at the time I didn't know
JM: Ma'am you believe it, that's why you said it
JA: When I sit here today, I believe it somewhat
JM: And so you believe they were joking abou it, right?
JA: At the time I did not but now, I think, if what he told me can be belived, they were joking
JM: Ma'am, isn’t it true you just said they were joking about it, right
JA: Yes
JM: And that’s what you believe, right
JA: That’s what I’d like to believe
JM: Well, you testifying to the truth, right
JA: Yes
JM: And you’re saying they were joking about it, right
JA: That’s the third time you’ve asked me about it and the answer is yes.
JM: And so if they were joking about it, what was the problem
JM: By LDS standards you aren't supposed to have conversations of that nature with someone else's spouse.
JM: Okay, And that’s because you are familiar with the code of conduct involving sexuality in the Mormon church, right?
JA: I am now, yes
JM: Well, no, you were familiar with it back in February of 2007 when you looked at his My Space account, right?
JA: Not all of it, but regarding spouses and their behaviors and how to interact with people that were married, yes.
JM: You were familiar enough to pass judgement on what was going on as it applies to the Mormon faith, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And this is knowledge that you had gained as part of your learning about the Mormon church, right?
JA: Umm, well another Mormon had explained it to me, so yes
JM: So yes, you did learn it, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you knew that joking about those things was not something that was viewed favorably by the Mormon church, right
JA: that's right
JM: But you believe that just joking about something, you knew about that, you knew that that's not something that was favored by the Mormon church, right?
JA: That's right
JM: But in terms of whether or not sexual intercourse is concerned, you're telling us that at that point you didn’t know if it was acceptable or not in the Mormon church?
JA: I'm not saying that
JM: So at that time you did know then that sexual intimacy, whatever form they may be, was unacceptable in the Mormon church, right?
JA: I'm not saying that either
JM: Well, ma'am did you know back in February of 2007 that having oral intercourse was against the teachings of the Mormon faith?
JA: Not at that time, no, I did not know
JM: So you believe that j,ust kidding about is against the Mormon religion, but not oral intercourse? Is that what you're saying?
JA: With a spouse that’s married in the temple, yes
JM: You believed that oral intercourse was okay back in 2007 but not kidding between two people, that was not okay?
JA: Yes that’s what I was taught
JM: Don’t they have brochures that they hand out
JA: Yes
JM: And these brochures include talking about sexual contact, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You were here when Desiree Freeman testified, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And one of the things that we know is even laying or touching, even laying on someone with their close on that's against the Mormon teachings, right?
JA: That is right
JM: And in fact that’s something you did with Ryan Burns, you layed on top of him with your clothes on, right?
JA: Yes I did
JM: And that’s again the Mormon teachings isn't it?
JA: It is
JM: And you knew that at the time you did that
JA: I did not
JM: So you gained this knowledge after being with Ryan Burns
JA: After, well after, like about a year
JM: This is something that is, you never thought to talk to anybody about how far you could go?
JA: I did, I talked to Rachel
JM: I’m asking whether or not, well Rachel isn’t somebody that’s the end-all in the Mormon church, right?
JA: I don't think anybody would be
JM: well the bishop is a little more important wouldn’t you agree?
JA: Yes
JM: And if you had any questions about it you could go talk to the bishop, right?
JA: I guess technically, but I wouldn't be comfortable
JM: Well, you say technically and you wouldn't be comfortable, you could go talk to the bishop, right
JA: Yes,
JM: In fact you went to Bishop Layton and talked about Tavis’s Alexander's killing, right?
JA: No
JM: well you called him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So you had no problem doing that, right?
JA: no
JM: Did you ever have a desire on your own to go and find out what the Mormon church allowed in terms of sexual conduct?
JA: Yes
JM: Why didn't you do it?
JA: I did
JM Pardon
JA: I did
JM: So did you go to a bishop,
JA: I went to Rachel
JM: When did you go to see Rachel about this issue involving sexual contact?
JA: It would have been August 2007 after Travis and I went all the way consensually and we were both awake
JM: so you went to see her in August of 2007 and you were converted or were baptized in Novemenber of 2006
JA: Yes
JM: And you and Mr. Alexander were engaged in sexual contact between that time in November 2006 until what, August of 2007 is that what it is?
JA: that whole time
JM: And during that whole time period, it never occurred to you to try to find out what the Mormon church allowed?
JA: I did try to find out
JM: Did you go to a bisop?
JA: No definitely not a bishop
JM: Did you try to read any of the literature that they had
JA: I've read some literature, but not the pamphlet that you're reading from
JM: There is a pamphlet that they have, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And this pamphlet is abailable to everyone, right?
JA: Yes
JM: In fact you were here when I was looking at it and I was questioning Desiree Freeman, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And this pamphlet is free
JA: Yes
JM: And it lays out the guidelinesfor what is acceptable sexual conduct or not, right?
JA: And isn't it true that that pamphlet doesn't include anything about joking involving married people, does it?
JM: It does include things that you are not to engage in oral intercourse, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And any kind of intercourse
JA: Yes, it says all sexual relations
JM: And in fact it even talks about certain types of music that shouldn't be listened to
JA: I don't recall that part, but that sounds right
JM: And it also talks about what kind of videos or what kind of movies it should be looked at?
JA: Yes
JM: And you’re saying that throughout the whole time between November of 2006 and August of 2007 you did not have the opportunity to review any of this and know any of it.
JA: Well, I didn’t know it existed, so I guess then I wouldn't have had the opportunity, but if I'd known it was there, I would have had the opportunity.
JM: Did you think that perhaps it would have been a good idea to go ask if these materials were available?
JA: No, I did not
KN: Objection
Judge: Rephrase
JM: You were conflicted by the fact you saw Mr. Alexander joking with somebody who you believed to be marrie, right
JA: She was married, yes
JM: You were conflicted because Mr. Alexander was joking with somebody that was married, okay better?
JA: Yes
JM: Although they were just, they had never had any sexual contact
KN: Objection, she doesn't know
Judge: rephrase
JM: At that point, that was my belief
JA: Yet, that’s just people talking, yet you have no problems engaging in all this conduct that you told us about during direct examination.* You have no problem engaging in that conduct, yet you are judging someone just for talking
KN: Objection she never said she had a problem with it
Judge: Restate the question
JM: Well maam you never saw counseling from a Mormon, whether it's a male or a female
JA: I did, but not during that time period
JM: During the time period we’re talking about you did not solicit aid from anybody in the Mormon church about what was the proper way to proceed
JA: That's right
JM: And the reason you didn't was because it was enjoyable
JA: No, I didn't believe I was in the wrong
JM: Well, you didn't you weren't enjoying what was going on with Mr. Alexander
JA: I did, but that's not why I didn't seek counsel
JM: In fact, the way you describe it, he's someone you can't stay away from sexually, right?
JA: Um, yes
JM: And he described you as his kyrptonite, right
JA: Yes
JM: And so it was a situation that you were mutually attracted, right
JA: Yes
JM: And so the is the reason that you were being so judgement because you were just plain jealous and that was what was going on?
JA: No, I was considering af uture with him and if was acting that way towards someone else's wife, I wondered how he'd treat me as a wife
JM: So if you were worried about how he would treat you as a wife, why didn't you just leave him?
JA: Because I wanted to give him an opportunity to explain
JM: And you gave him the opportunity to explain and it sounds like you believed him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And as a result of you believing him, you decided to continue in this sexual relationship, right?
JA: Yes

 

[Ricki]

She was married... there's a HUGE difference.

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...s-alexander-affair-shannon-crabtree-peterson/

“Travis and I were very good friends,” Shannon explained. “I met him through Pre-Paid Legal and through church too, although we were in different wards and we were not dating.”

Shannon told RadarOnline.com that she and Travis became friends while he was living in California and admitted that they had one romantic encounter.

“I was going through a divorce from an alcoholic, an angry alcoholic, and Travis really helped me get through that. We never dated but we kissed one time

 

[hindsight2020]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=185FDMkXNow


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om29gHLkqO0

 

[ingra1327]

Afternoon
JM: there were messages on there, correct, do you remember that?
JA: Travis's phone and my space, umm yes
JM: Ahe messages could be characterized as flirtatious, right?
JA: Flirtatious and sexual.
JM: And you didn't have a problem with that, did you?
JA: What do you mean
JM: Well, let's take a look at another exhibit. I move for the admission of exhibit 480.
KN: I'm sorry what number, 480, no objections
Judge: 480 is admitted
48 hours Video: I only have a few more questions, where I want to go next is, was Travis a flirt with other people? Umm, yes, and he was not secretive about it, I wasn't aware of that aspect right away when I first met him at the MGM Grand, he was very cool, calm um, and even there were people that made comments saying why was he on such good behavior that night and he said that he sort of, looking back on that he said he kind of had an agenda and because I came off as a calm person her tried to mirror and match, but by nature, he's very open, very outgoing, very flirtatious, not that that's a bad thing at all.

JM: And so even though you saw these messages on his phone, even though they were flirtatious, you still decided to break up with him, right?
JA: not for that reason
JM: Isn't that what you told us before the break that that was the reason that you broke up with him because of these text messages?
JA: No, it's because he was sleeping with a bunch of people.
JM: You believe that he was sleeping with a lot of people, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Do you remember telling us before the break that it was this text message, or during direct examination that it was these text messages that were the reason for the break up
JA: Right
JM: You did say that, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Okay. You and Mr. Alexander went to Sedona and the Grand Canyon with Desiree Freeman and Dan Freeman, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Take a look at exhibit 481 and see if you recognize the people there and the occasion.
JA: Yes, I don't see a date, but I recognize it
JM: You're in that photograph, correct
JA: Yes
JM: And you recognize the other people, correct
JA: Yes
JM: And it's a trip, the picture is a photograph taken on your trip to Sedona, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And generally speaking when did you go to Sedona?
JA: I believe it was April 2007
JM: And this is a true and accurate depiction of the four of you on this trip to Sedona, correct.
JA: Yes
JM: Move for the admission of 481
KN: No objections
Judge: 481 is admitted
JM: This is a photograph that was taken in Sedona, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And it shows your height relative to Mr. Alexander, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Um, you're approximately the same height as he is, correct?
JA: Well, he's three inches taller
JM: Well, this shows it right here correct?
KN: Objection, doesn't know where they'restanding or shoes they're wearing
Judge: Sustained
JM: Ma'am this shows you on that particular day with Mr. Alexander, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: You have no reason to believe that he was that you were standing on a rock and he wasn't, right?
JA: Not that I recall
JM: And with regard to Mr. Freeman, do you have a reason to believe that he was standing on a rock?
JA: No
JM: And with regard Desiree Freeman, any reason to believe or to think that she was standing on a rock.
JA: No
JM: That shows the relative heights, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Ma'am one of the things that we know about Mr. Alexander was how his ambiancee was in a room, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Let me show you another exhibit. I move for the admission of exhibit 482
Judge: Any objection
KN: Not that we haven't previously lodged
Judge: 482 is admitted
48 hours video: “Yes and that's the other thing, I really, when you asked me if I was angry or outraged, I'm more angry and outraged that his life was taken. And that he has so much potential, that he had so many things and projects that he was working on that aren't some will get completed and some will never get completed. Um, he was a light and he had so many, he brightened a room when he walked in. He literally brightened a room. Like you could just tell you could tell when Travis was whether you were no matter what direction you were looking at you could tell when Travis showed up because the laughter got louder, and you know the conversation got happier and just the whole energy of the room changed. And you know, for someone like that, it almost seems like the world is a darker place now that he's not in it anymore. So I'm really angry about that. I can't imagine what his family's going through. I love my brother so much and I know that he had a lot of siblings and I just cannot imagine what it would be like to get a phone call to hear that something happened to one of my brothers.”

JM: According to that particular excerpt in your statement, he was a great guy, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And he was a great guy, it appears to everybody who seemed to come in contact with him.
JA: Yes, it appears
JM: And nowhere during this conversation that you had with the people on 48 hours did you metion rhia issue of masturbating to pictures.
JA: Oh definitely not
JM: So the answer is not, correct?
JA: That's correct.
JM: And it wasn't like he didn't do good things for you, he actually did a lot of, or some things that were very nice, didn't he
JA: Yes, wonderful things
JM: Let's have you listen to us tell us about what a wonderful thing. I move for the admission of exhibit 483.
KN: No objection
Judge: Exhibit 483 is admitted.
48 hoursvideo: “Um, I just personally see any motive for myself to ever want to do this, inflict this kind of pain on Travis, someone who has been so generous, someone who's been so kind and someone who's opened up his home, opened up his refrigerator on many times when I didn't have enough money to go to the grocery store and fill up my own fridge. There are just so many things he did, little things, I came home from the airport once he let me park my car in his garage so that it was safe while I was gone and I showed up to get my car and there was this bag of on the hood that said Cinnabon and he knew that I liked Cinncabon and I remember calling him before I flew out, I was flying out of Salt Lake an din the Phoenix airport there's a Cinnabon stand and I always get one before I go on my flight and I remember lamenting a little bit saying Cinnabon's gonna be closed when I get home cuz it's gonna be late and he went out the the mall and got me cinnabon so I'd be able to have that when I got home. It's just little things that he did like that, thoughtful things, as well he looked up a whole recipe online and printed it out on pink paper and folded it up in there and put it in there with that and he gave me a ten dollar gift card for Cinnabon. So it's like just little things like those were just, that's just one example of so many little things that he's always done for me and not just me but for everyone I knew.”
JM: And in fact, ma'am, after you moved, you actually thanked him for everything he had done for you, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Let's take a look at an exhibit. Take a look at exhibit 484. I move for the admission of exhibit 484.
KN: No objection
Judge: What did you say, no objection
KN: No objection
Judge: Exhibit 484 is admitted
JM: This is after you had moved, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: This is after you were in Yreka, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: This was when you in Yreka doing your day-to-day activities, whatever they may be, correct?
JA: yes
JM: When you were not seeing Mr. Alexander on a daily basis, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: This is after you had broken up with him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: This was during a time when, according to you the fog had lifted, right?
JA: Yes
JM: This was after the time that you claimed there was some physical violence, you wrote this, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And we agree that the time was seven hours ahead, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: and so it's on April 18th that you write this and you say “Travis thank you for being such an amazing friend. You are a rock, a light, and an inspiration. I love you dearly. You were still in love with him, weren't you?
JA: I wouldn't say I was in love with him, but I loved him very much
JM: So when you say you love him dearly, that doesn't mean that you have any physical attraction to him, you just love him like a friend, correct?
JA: That's not true
JM: Well, when you say you love him dearly is that the same as saying the way you love Matt McCartney or is it a little bit different
JA: Um, it's similar, but there was no more, no longer a sexual attraction with Matt McCartney.
JM: but there was this sexual attraction with Mr. Alexander, correct?
JA: Correct
JM: You indicate that you appreciate all of the ways you've gone out of your way for me, you indicate that, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And then you say thank you, thank you, thank you, right?
JA: Yes
JM: This is not in line with the person we've been talking about, is it
JA: Um, yeah, it is it's very consistent with how he was
JM: Well you've been telling us before that he was mean, remember that?
JA: Yes, he was
JM: And that in addition to being mean, he physically abused you, right?
JA: Yes he did
JM: And that he would raise his voice to you, right?
JA: Yes he did
JM: Yet once you're free of him, and after the fog has lifted, you're thanking him and telling him what an inspiration he is, right?
JA: Yes
JM: That's sort of, the way that is projected, doesn't seem to correspond, does it?
KN: Objective, argumentative
Judge: sustained
JM: You've given us two versions, correct?
JA: Of what?
JM: of Mr. Alexander
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: overruled
JA: I think I've given more than two versions
JM: Well, you've given us one where we just discussed about him being physically abusive and mean and loud to you, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: In fact before, during the trial you referenced the fact that he used to grill you, correct?
JA: Yes
JM : And yet, the writings that we have here, don't support that, specifically exhibit number 484 doesn't support what you've been telling us, does it?
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Rephrase
JM: This is at odds as to what you're telling us before with Mr. Alexander, right?
KN: Objective, argumentative
Judge: Overruled, you may answer
JA: Um, with at odds with what?
JM: With Mr. Alexander's portrayal that you've wanted us to believe during direct examination.
JA: no, I believe I said during direct examination that he did many wonderful things and that he had amazing sides to him.
JM: But, you don't mention in any of these text messages for example this one here. All you can do it gush on him over him and thank him, right?
JA: Yes, he flourished on compliments
JM: Is that yes
JA: I said yes
JM: When you say that he flourished on compliments, it appears that you're saying, your only doing it and it's in an insincere fashion because you want to shower then on him just because he wants them.
JA: At times they were a little insincere that they were somewhat exaggerated, but he was a wonderful person many times.
JM: Well what your saying here, though, just this particular exhibit number 484 when you're saying or you're gushing it just appears that or you tell us that that's not true, right?
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: reprhase
JM: Ma'am when you say you're sending this because Mr. Alexander liked them, that's what you said right?
JA: No, I said that he flourished with compliments
JM: Alright, you used the word flourished on compliments, right
JA: Yes
JM: And if he flourished on compliments, the way it sounds is that you are not sincere about the compliment.
JA: Well, hmm, I believed he was amazing, he was a rock to me, he was a light and an inspiration at one time, I did love him dearly, I still do. And he did go out of his way for me and I wanted to express my gratitude.
JM: So with regard to this particular love, is that how you believe love should be shown as it was on the evening of June 4th 2008?
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Sustained
JM: Well, ma'am, you've indicated that all of this is true, so is this one of the ones that was sincer or not?
JA: I believe I was being sincere in this one
JM: So this one you are telling the truth?
JA: Yes
JM: As part of what happened after you killed Mr. Alexander, there was a memorial service, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you attended it, right?
JA: Yes
JM: The memorial service was in Mesa, AZ, correct
JA: Correct
JM: What time of the day was it?
JA: I don't remember
JM: Was it in the morning or the afternoon?
JA: I don't remember, it was daytime, I remember that part
JM: And many people attended, right
JA: Yes
JM: And one of the people that attended was Mimi, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: You actually went up to Mimi, correct?
JA: Yes I did
JM: So even though you say that you're shy, you're actually the person who approached her, right?
JA:Yes
JM: And you talked to her about Mr. Alexander, correct
JA: Briefly, yes
JM: So that is a yes, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And it was during this conversation that you say you first learned that he was going to Cancun with her, right?
JA: Um, I can't remember cuz another woman had told me right before, she didn't say her name, but I assumed it was probably Mimi Hall so I don't remember if Cancun was discussed.
JM: Did you speak with Mimi Hall about her going to Cancun with Mr. Alexander.
JA: I don't remember if Cancun was discussed
JM: But you could have discussed it, right?
JA: Could have, but it was very short and I don't think Cancun came up, but it might have, I don't remember that
JM: But it was at this memorial whether if was from Ms. Hall or somebody else, that you but according to you that you first learned he was going to Cancun with sombody else, rigth?
JA: Yes, well I assumed
JM: Is that a yes
JA: I assumed, I didn't, I actually learned it from Det. Flores, but I assumed because of the way a woman named Brenda told me.
JM: So what you're telling us is that at the memorial service, do you know the date that that was?
JA: I think it was June 15th,
KN: objections
Judge: Overruled
JA: I don't remember, I think I assumed it but I got solid confirmation from Det. Flores
JM: So you assumed it at the time you met Ms. Hall
JA: I'm trying to think, I think I might have spoken to Ms. Hall before Brenda came up to me
JM: What I”m asking is if you learned that Mr. Alexander was going to Cancun with Mimi Hall at this memorial service
JA: I don't know if I definitively knew it, but I was pretty sure that she was the one.
JM: Why do you say you were pretty sure, because of a conversation you had with Ms. Hall
JA: Um, because of a conversation I had with Brenda
JM: And based on the conversation with Brenda you believe that that's when you learned of Mr. Alexander going to Cancun with Mimi Hall, correct?
JA: Yes, mm hmm
JM: You and he had discussed him going to Cancun before, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And he didn't ask you to go, right?
JA: What was that?
JM: He did not ask you to go, correct?
JA: That's correct.
JM: And you knew he was going with someone, didn't you?
JA: Um, yes, well the trip allows for a second person on the ticket, so I assumed
JM: You knew he was going with somebody, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you knew he was going with somebody back on June 2nd of 2008, right?
JA: Um, yes, I assumed it was a babysitter
JM: Well, I'm not asking you who you assumed it was, did you know back on that date that he was going to go with somebody?
JA: Yes
JM: And back on May 28th of 2008, you also knew he was going to Cancun, right?
JA: Um, yes
JM: And you knew that he was going to Cancun with somebody else?
JA: Yes
JM: And this was about the time, because of the telephone call on May 10th that he was still talking to you um about sex, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And even though he was talking to you about sex, he was actually, you knew, going to Cancun with sombody else, right
JA: Um, yes
JM: Let me show you an exhibit. And his going to Cancun with somebody else did not upset you, right?

JA: No
JM: And his going ro Cancun and not inviting you did not upset you, right?
JA: No
JM: Take a look at exhibit 485 an see if you recognize this
JA: Yes
JM: This is actually a writing by you, correct?
JA: correct
JM: and it was submitted at the time of the memorial service, right?

JA: Yes
JM: And how did it work, was there a page there that you signed, how did it work?
JA: There was a photo album how I remember it with a lot of blank paper around the different photos so that people could leave comments.
JM: You actually brought the photo that was attached to this, right?
JA: Um, I don't, I think it was already put together, but I emailed it to the person putting it together cuz that's one of my photos.
JM: This is one of your photographs, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And how it got there, maybe you sent it to somebody and then they put it in the book, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: You actually signed it though, right?
JA: I didn't sign it, I just wrote in it, I didn't want to put my name.
JM: But this is your writing, right?
JA: Yes
JM: I move for the admission of exhibit 485
KN: No objections
Judge: 485 is admitted
JM: Exhibit 485 it says: Travis, you're beautiful on the inside and out, doesn't it
JA: Yes
JM: Isn't that kind of a lie based on what you told us in court right?
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Rephrase
JM: That's not true based on what you told us here in court.
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: overruled
JA: I believed, um, he had inner beauty, yes, so it is true.
JM: So you think somebody masturbates to pictures of little boys is beautiful on the inside?
JA: I don't think that aspect of him is beautiful at all, I think it's sickening
JM: Well, I'm asking you, you did write beautiful on the inside and yet you knew, according to you, he had this issue, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And so if you write that, you've indicated it was a problem for you, right?
JA: It was
JM: And you indicated you even obtained a pamphlet for him, to give to him
JA: Yes, two of them
JM: And you also indicated that you believed that he needed help, right/
JA: He did need help
JM: Right, you've indicated that to us on direct examination a couple of times at least, right?
JA: That's right.
JM: But yet here you write that he was beautiful on the inside knowing all of that
JA: He hated those parts of himself
JM: pardon
JA: He hated those parts of himself, it's not who he wanted to be
JM: Whether he wanted to be it or not, somebody that has those issues, you still think is beautiful on the inside and that's why you wrote it.
JA: I believed that he could get better
JM: I'm not asking you if you believed that he could get better., I'm asking you whether or not someone is beautiful on the inside if they have the problem you told us about
KN: Objection asked and answered for the third time
Judge: Overruled
JA: What was the question?
JM: Mike, can you read it back for me
Mike: I'm not asking you if you believed he could get better, I'm asking you whether or not someone is beautiful on the inside if they have that problem you told us about.
JA: I believed that he has aspects of himself that were beautiful and some that were ugly, just like I do.
JM: So what you're saying is the statement beautiful on the inside is a qualified statement?
JA: I don' t know what you mean by qualified.
JM: Well, it doesn't tell the whole truth, it just tells part of the truth
JA: Of course, this is a memorial book
JM: pardon
JA: Of course, this is a memorial book
JM: You didn't have to write it in the memorial book
JA: I didn't have to
JM: And you didn't have to go to the memorial service, right
JA: That's right
JM: One of the things that you told us was that you and Mr. Alexander had an agreement, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And that agreement according to you was that even if the funeral service was in Antartica, the two of you would attend each others funeral depending on who outlived the other, right?
JA: He said he'd come to mine even if it was in Antartica
JM: Ma'am I'm asking you if you told us previously that you and he had an agreement to attend each other's funeral depending on who died first
JA: It wasn't quite like that
JM: Well didn't you tell us that on direct examination that that was part of the reason you went, this understanding?
JA: I didn't go to his funeral, I couldn't make it
JM: The memorial service?
JA: Um, that wasn't part of the agreement
JM: Well, but you did mention that you believed that he would have done the same thing for you,r ight?
JA: Yes
JM: Well in terms of this memorial service if the situation was reversed, do you still think he should have gone to your memorial service if he had killed you?
KN: Objection, calls for speculation
Judge: Sustained
JM: What was the agreement or what was the understanding of your agreement, then?
JA: I told him one time that I admired his speaking skills and that if I ever passed away, I would like him to give the eulogy at my funeral because I knew that he would edify me in every way.
JM: How about with him, if he passed away before you, what was the agreement?
JA: It wasn't discussed, I don't think
JM: Oh so you didn't have any understanding whatsoever in regards to if you should attend a memorial service
JA: Ir was more about my funeral
JM: Well, do you remember telling us something different on direct examination?
JA: Um, I don't remember
JM: Do you remember on direct examination telling us that you felt compelled to go because of this agreement that the two of you had
JA: That's why I felt compelled to go
JM: Because there was an agreement, right?
JA: Because he would have gone to mine
JM: And you believe that that was sort of an unwritten agreement between the two of you, that's how you portrayed it to us on direct examination, right?
JA: The eulogy part was sort of an unwritten agreement
JM: I'm talking about just actually going, I'm not talking about the eulogy, isn't it true that during direct examination the way you portrayed it to us was the reason you went was because you and he had talked about it and you felt compelled to go based on those conversations?
JA: Yes
JM: And those conversations included going to Antartica if that were the case, right?
JA: He said he would
JM: And that's how much that's how strong the commitment was to attend each other's memorial service, right?
JA: Um, I don't recall making an commitment to attend the service, but this was the reason I felt compelled to go
JM: because of the conversation you had with him.
JA: Yes
JM: No one knew about this conversation, you had with him, right?
JA: No, it was in his office, it was just us.
JM: So it was just you and him, right
JA: Yes
JM: So if no one knew about it, you really didn't have to go and nobody would have been the wiser, right
JA: That's right
JM: But you made the choice to go, right?
JA: Yes, I did.
JM: You also write you always told me that I never stopped believing in you, and I know that you always believed in me. That's what it says, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You always believed in him, right?
JA: Yes, I did
JM: Even though, according to you, he would get this mean look on his face and come charging down the hallway, you still believed in him, right?
JA: Yes, that isn't who he wanted to be
JM: I'm not asking you if that's who he wanted to be, did I ask you that ma'am?
JA: no
JM: I'm asking you whether or not you still believed in him if he, for example, according to you threw you down and choked you, you still believed in him, right?
JA: I believed in his potential still
JM: So the answer is yes, right
JA: Yes
JM: So even though he may have been on the couch kissing with some girl in August 2007, you still believed in him, right?
JA: Yes, I wasn't his girlfriend
JM: Pardon
JA: I wasn't his girlfriend, so yeah of course I still believed in him.
JM: You were his girlfriend in August 2007
JA: I was not, I wasn't
JM: So you still believed in him even though he was kissing on some girl and you still believed he was courting you at that time, you still believed in him?
JA: Well it cheapened his efforts
JM: I understand that it may have cheapened
JA: I still believed in his potential of who he wanted to become
JM: So it cheapened his efforts
JA: Certainly
JM: And if it cheapened his efforts, then perhaps he wasn't believing in you as much as you indicate in this card, or this writing.
KN: objection, calls for speculation about what Mr. Alexander believed
Judge: Overruled
JA: I think we're talking about different aspects of what we believed about each other
JM: Well you said that you never stopped believing in him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you never stopped believing in him irrespective of the issues you told us about, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And these issues that according to you he wasn't getting any help for, right?
JA: I don't know if he was or not, I believe he was, I don't believe he did
JM: According to you, you believe he's not getting help for any of these issues, right?
JA: Yes
JM: He's not doing anything about it
JA: I don't know that
JM: Well, I'm asking what your belief is, I'm not asking what you know, I'm asking for your belief.
KN: Objection
Judge: Overruled
JA: I believed he was doing things, not seeking professional help, but he said he spent a lot of time in prayer about it
JM: So you believed he was praying about it
JA: Yes
JM: Do you believe he went to a bishop to talk about it
JA: Um, he did talk to a bishop about hi
JM Is that a yes or a now
JA: Well, I really don't know
JM: Okay. It says thank you for sharing so much and for all your generosity. This world has been blessed because you have been here, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So you believe somebody that does the sort of horrible act that you've described is a blessing to the world?
JA: He did bless the world
JM: My question's a little different. Do you believe that somebody that did whatever it is you allege he did, is a blessing to the world?
JA: That is not a blessing to the world
JM: So this wasn't true, then
JA: No, I just said that he blessed the world in ways.
JM: Ma'am one of the other things that is that we know about is that you and he had quite the relationship behind closed doors, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And they're called private relationships for a reason, right
JA: Yes
JM: And so one of the things that you complained about on direct examination was that nobody knew what your business or what your affairs were, do you remember complaining about that?
JA: Um, I don't remember the context, but I may have said something to that effect.
JM: And it upset you that these interactions between you and him were behind closed doors
JA: No, are you talking about, what activities are you referring to?
JM: Well, for example, you complained about when you went out that he wouldn't treat you in the sort of way that indicated that you were perhaps closer to him than you were.
JA: That's correct
JM: He wouldn't hold your hand, right
JA: Usually, not
JM: He wouldn't kiss you in public according to you
JA: He did as long as we weren't on our own home turfs
JM: But in certain circumstances he wouldn't kiss you when you went out
JA: That's correct
JM: and all of this bothered you, didn't it
JA: It did bother me
JM: And it bothered you because on the other hand, he's very attentive when doors are closed, but not when people are around, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you could have though put an end to that, couldn't you
JA: Yes
JM: You could have left, you could have gone to Yreka, right?
JA: Yes
JM: But you chose not to
JA: Not right away
JM: Well you chose not to until April of 2008, right?
JA: I, that's when I did it, I made the decision prior
JM: You made the decision in March of 2008, right?
JA: Actually it was Christmas 2007
JM: Do you remember that we took a look at your journal in March of 2008 and that's when you told him that you were going to go to Yreka
JA: That's right
JM: And also we know that you went in April of 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So you're free to go at any time that you want
JA: I was broke, so not really, but
JM: Well you had parents, right
JA: Yes
JM: They would have helped you if you went home, right
KN: Objection, relevance
Judge: rephrase
JM You asked your mom for help to move, right?
JA: Yes
JM: She came out here to Mesa, correct
JA: Yes
JM: She flew, correct?
JA: She flew to Phoenix
JM: And what ever happened, she went on her way shortly after she came out here, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And so there was at least an indication based on that that they would help, your parents would helpf you, in whatever way they could, right?
JA: yes
JM: So it wasn't a situation where you were stranded, was it
JA: Um, I mean I don't know, I didn't know that they would help me until I was desperate enough to call her and she would, she said she would
JM: Well you indicated that you called and she responded, right?
JA: Yes
JM: they wouldn't know that you needed their help unless they called, right
JA: Well, Matt called once, but unless I called and needed that kind of help
JM: On the occasion that you called your mother, isn't it true that she agreed to help, right?
JA: Yes
JM: In fact the way to help was she even came out here to help you load the truck, right?
JA: I think I got the truck after she left, but her purpose was to come and help me load the truck
JM: You didn't have the truck at the time
JA: Not yet
JM: well it seems like when you protest and say well, I'm really stuck here in AZ, you weren't really stuck in AZ, were you?
JA: I don't know, I mean my parents have been financially capable at some times and at other times not, so at the time I called they were able to help me, they were in a position to help me.
JM: And they did, the only time you asked them, related to this case, they were able to provide some help, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And in fact when you go to Yreka, you had a place to stay, right
JA: Yes
JM: You didn't want to stay with your parents
JA: there were no beds
JM: You didn't want to stay with your parents
JA: No
JM: You wanted to stay with your grandparents
JA: Yes
JM: And in fact you could get a job there if you wanted to, right
JA: I did get a job there
JM: You could if you wanted to in fact you started to work at Casa Ramos according to youj, right
JA: Well it depends on who hires, I searched and searched and hunted and I did not get a job for awhile and I finally was hired somewhere.
JM: You did get a job at Casa Ramos, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And this was in Yreka, right
JA: Yes

JM: And working at Casa Ramos, you had your own money, right
JA: Yes
JM: No one took it away from you?
JA: No
JM: And in fact you weren't lending or giving any money to Mr. Alexander at that point, right?
JA: I was paying back a debt that I owed him
JM: But that's not giving money is it
JA: Yes, I was giving it willingly
JM: Well, if you have a debt and you give money for that, that's not a gift, is it?
JA: It was not a gift, it was a repayment
JM: Right
JA: And in fact the terms were pretty loose on that
JM: And whatever you afford he would accept, right
JA: Yeah, he said to keep it at at least 100 dollars a month, but pay more any time you can pay more
JM: It was a loose agreement
JA: Yes
JM: He wasn't putting any financial pressure on you, right?
JA: Not at first
JM: When you say not at first, it implies that he was putting pressure on you at some point, right?
JA: Yes he did
JM: Was there an amount mentioned
JA: No
JM: Was there a threat of going to court to get the money?
JA: No
JM: And in fact he helped you get a car, the one that had lost the transmission and had all those problems when you started to tow it?
JA: What do you mean?
JM: He was trying to find out who was responsible for that, on your behalf, wasn't he?
JA: I think I was, I called the lawfirm, he called a law firm, we were waiting for calls back
JM: He attempted by calling a law firm, right
JA: I don't remember if he called his directly, I mean I know that I called attorneys and I think he was doing his own research on it as well
JM: When you told him that this had happened, he wasn't upset with you, was he
JA: No, he wasn't
JM: And in fact when you told him that this happened, he tried to do the best for you, right?
JA: Yes
JM: He wrote that he felt bad for you, right?
JA: yes
JM: And, in fact, the way he handled that situation, you actually in your journal, called him your hero,right?
JA: Yes
JM: so it appears that you're in Yreka, this individual, Mr. Alexander, is in the Mesa area and there doesn't seem to be any other tie other than the sexual bond, that the two of you seem to have
JA: well that and the car
JM: But the car was a loose bond, wouldn't you agree
JA: Yes
JM: You could have mailed the ayment and not talked to him ever, right?
JA: That' right
JM: You could have conceivable paid him off with one payment, not that you ever would, but that would be the end of it
JA: Of our communication
JM: No, the end of the issues involving the car
JA: um after the car was paid and I had the title, no we wouldn't have to
JM: But you did have this sexual bond, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And it appears that you wanted to be with him as much as he wanted to be with you?
JA: That would be accurate
JM: so that when we talk about, or when you tell us things like well, I was over at Sky and Christ Hughes' house approximately a week after you met him and you indicate that you had oral sex and you said that well, you were uncomfortable with that, do you remember that?
JA: Yes
JM: Well, you were pretty attracted to him, weren't you
JA: My attraction didn't develop that quickly
JM: Are you saying you did that even though you didn't want to?
JA: Yes
JM: and did you tell him that
JA: No
JM: Did you think that he was a mind-reader and would know that you didn't want to do that?
JA: No
JM: And one of the other things you said that was striking was that when he was performing oral sex on you he said you said he sure knew what he was doing? Do you remember saying that on direct examination?
JA: yes
JM: Well doesn't it take one to know one?
KN: Objection, improper
Judge: Sustained
JM: How do you know he was so good unless you had previously been exposed to that activity
JA: I was previously exposed to that activity in my prior relationships
JM: So there wasn't anything wrong with him being experienced in that area, was there?
JA: Not in my opinion, no
JM: So when you said that he was sure experienced in that area, you didn't mean to be saying that that was a negative thing, right
JA: No
JM: And the other thing that you said was no, it really wasn't your cup of tea that time, right?
JA: that's correct
JM: you could have stopped at anytime and said I don't want to see you anymore, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Cuz that was really the first time you had ever seen him, right?
JA: No that would have been our second
JM: No, I mean, alone, in private
JA: Second
JM: You'd had had some sort of sexual contact at that time?
JA: No, I'm talking alone, private
JM: I'm talking sexual contact
JA: Okay
JM: Based on what happened there, and the sexual contact at that point you said well I wasn't really that interested in him, at that point, right, you just said that?
JA: um, there was an interest but the deep level of my attraction hadn't developed to that extent
JM: So you weren't that attracted to him, right? Would that be fair to say, or no?
JA: Um, well when you say that attracted, like I was attracted to him but it felt like it was too soon, is all
JM: Well you said that my attraction hadn't developed to that point, yet which appears to say that you weren't attracted to him to have sex with him on that occasion , right?
JA: Not yet to that level
JM: You keep saying not yet, I'm just talking about that particular point, I just want you to focus on that point, at that point you were not sexually attracted to him, right
JA: I wouldn't say that
JM: Oh, so you were sexually attracted to him
JA: On some level I was
JM: and so being sexually attracted to him, this was an activity that was enjoyable to you, right
JA: Umm, it otherwise could have been but I just felt uncomfortable.
JM: Well, you're saying you felt uncomfortable, are you saying that it was not an enjoyable situation for you?
JA: Like internally, no, so physically I wasn't able to enjoy myself, but there wasn't anything actually wrong with the scenario because all the elements were there other than those things
JM: If you weren't enjoying in internally and you weren't enjoying it externally, what you're saying is you weren't enjoying it at all because there's only the internal and the external, right?
KN: Objection
Judge Overruled, you may answer
JA: Yes
JM: So you were not enjoying it that is what you're saying?
JA: Once it progressed to the oral sex, I was no longer enjoying it
JM: You could have told him to stop, right
JA: Yes
JM: But you didn't
JA: That's right?
JM: You never showed any indication that this activity was unwelcome, rigth?
JA: That's right
JM: There was no way for him to know that this activity was unwelcome, right?
JA: Yes, I think I acted liked it
JM: The answer is yes, right?
JA: That's right
JM: So after that, and really what we have to that sort of assertion, all we have is your word, we don't have for example any video or anything like that that would show us what happened then to show us you were enjoying this activity, correct?
JA: Um, that is correct
JM: and with regard to the other time, the situation in the car, again you indicated that you were uncomfortable with it right?
JA: Somewhat, yes
JM: If you were uncomfortable the first time and you have the ability to say no, you could have stopped the second time, right?
JA: Yes
JM: That was a choice that you made, right
JA: Yes
JM: You made the choice to be with him that second time, right
JA: Yes, I did
JM: So when you talk about well, I was uncomfortable about it I felt bad about itwhatever the terms are that you used, at some point even though you felt that way, that was you responsibility to let the other party know that perhaps you weren't into it as much as they were, right?
JA: Um, what do you mean? You mean if I didn't want to proceed with it, then it would have been my responsibility to tell him? That's right.
JM: You could have told him no, right
JA: I could have, yes
JM: and you've done that before in your lifetime, haven't you
JA:Um, yes
JM: And one of the things that you kept saying on direct examination was you know I felt that I liked him and didn't want to hurt his feelings. Do you remember saying that you didn't want to hurt his feelings?
JA: Yes
JM: The fact that you would have said no do you think would have hurt his feelings?
JA: I felt that way, that it would have been a blow to his ego.
JM: So you felt then that it would have been a blow to his ego if you would have told him no?
JA: yes
JM: Well, who cares about his ego?
JA: I did
JM: You cared about his ego even though you had only known him for approximately two weeks?
JA: Yes
JM: So does that mean that you were more invested in him then you are telling us? In other words at that point you really had strong feelings for him?
JA: They weren't strong, but there was an attraction there.
JM: So you were attracted to him then?
JA: Yes
JM: So you wanted this sort of activity to continue, right?
JA: What kind of activity?
JM: Sexual activity?
JA: Um, well I didn't stop it
JM: well when you say you didn't stop it, it just sounds again like you're saying, well it was all him and not you, right?
JA: no, it takes two to tango
JM: That's right and it was a mutual activity, wasn't it.
JA: Yes

 

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JM: Let's see what you have to say about that. Move for the admission of exhibit 486
KN: No objection
Judge: Did you say 486?
JM: Yes 486
Judge: 486 is admitted

(55:49)
48 Hours Mystery: “You're moving away and you're saying you want to end this unhealthy relationship and yet a) you're still making plans to get together and travel, and b) you're still showing up for sex. Yeah, it was hard to tell Travis no, he would call meat night and we would have long conversations and he would tell me the things that he would like to see happen when he would come up to visit me to put it in a G-rated manner. And the things that he wanted to do as far as traveling and where we would go, what we would do and then I wasn't the agenda for him coming up, he was gonna continue up to Washington, see friends there and then come all the way back down and see Pacific Coast Hwy as well. It eventually became sex. Was it mutual, it was always mutual, yeah.

JM: You did indicate that it was always mutual
JA: That's correct
JM: Well that means that when you and he were involved it was mutual, right?
JA: Yes it was
JM: and when you were involved any time after that it was always mutual right?
JA: I believed it was
JM: So when you tell us that you felt like a used piece of toilet paper, well, that you're sort of telling us at that point that it wasn't mutual. That somebody was taking more than they were giving.
JA: No, it was still mutual at that point.
JM: even though you felt that way, you can still say that it was a mutual kind of thing?
JA: Yes, when I told him to stop, he did
JM: pardon
JA: When I told him to stop he did
JM: anytime you would ask him to stop, he woud stop, right?
JA: Um, except the one time in May
JM: But in the statement that we just heard in exhibit 846, you indicated that it was always mutual, right
JA: Yes
JM: You never indicated that there was ever a problem, right?
JA: That's right
JM: Ma'am one of the things we know is that there was this text message that you received while you were at the grove. Do you know what I'm talking about?
JA: Yes
JM: And this was sometime in November of 2006, right?
JA: That's right
JM: You told us that you were at some sort of meeting at a restaurant
JA: We were first at super Saturday and then a group of friends and I business associates we all went to a restaurant.
JM: What was the name of the restaurant?
JA: I don't remember
JM: What was the name of the city
JA: Anaheim
JM: And you were in Anaheim and you were at this restaurant and who else was sitting there?
JA: Um, Michelle was sitting across from me, I think Lenore was there. I was still kind of new so I don't remember all the names but I think my friends Jared was sitting to my left, I mean I can picture faces, but I don't remember the names, there was a whole long table of people.
JM: And you received this text message, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And at the time you indicated you had a flip-top phone and basically when you received a text message, what would be required was you would open the phone and look at it right?
JA: Yes
JM: In addition, you had to take an extra step, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You would have to take a step to take a look at the text message, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you said you were somewhat unaware of what was in this text message, that you were unaware of what was in that text message, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you opened it, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Did anybody see it?
JA: Um, well I don't know if Jared saw it, but I think he did, I flipped it shut real quick to make sure no one was looking.
JM: Cause you knew what it was, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you found it offensive, right
JA: Not at all, actually
JM: So you thought it was okay then,
JA: Yes
JM: 'So when you were telling us about how it was that you received this, you didn't mean to tell us that you were offended by it, right?
JA: No, I was not offended.
JM: And it was something that you liked, right?
JA: I did like it, yeah.
JM: And it was something that he was showing you attention and so, looking at it was something that that, for whatever reason, at least indicated there was a relationship, a partial relationship for you, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you never told him don't ever send me anything like that, right?
JA: no
JM: you never indicated to him afterward I'm embarrassed by that sort of activity, don't do that.
JA: No
JM: And in fact you were so happy, I would say weren't you so happy with that activity that you actually took the time, the effort and the trouble to download it?
JA: I took the effort and the trouble to download all the photos at once.
JM: Well, you knew that that was on your telephone, didn't you
JA: Yes
JM: That's not something that you forget, right?
JA: Um, no
JM: And in fact there were other pictures that were involved at other times that were deleted, right?
JA: On my phone?
JM: Yes
JA: Yes
JM: and this particular case though, this actually went onto the harddrive that was damaged that we've heard of, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And that harddrive was available for your enjoyment, right?
JA: Until it broke, yes
JM: And, but you could access whatever photographs that you wanted including the picture of Mr. Alexander's penis, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you also sent some pictures of yourself, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you sent them photographs of yourself topless, right?
JA: Um, yes I did
JM: you were not offended by, you were not offended by the fact that you were sending him photographs, in other words that wouldn't be a problem for you
JA: Not the photos I was sending, I don't think I showed my face in the photos
JM: But you did show youre upper chest area, right?
JA: Um, I believe there were photos, several, of that nature
JM: And there were three of them right?
JA: I don't remember
JM: And did you also send them to his phone?
JA: Yes
JM: And you used your telephone to take the pictures?
JA: Yes
JM: And even doing that you took the trouble downloading things to your computer, right?
JA: Um, I might have
JM: Well, your familiar with these photographs that came from this computer, right?
JA: No we couldn't find the pictures that were on
JM: but you didn't see anything wrong, or anything untoward with you sending him pictures or him sending you pictures
JA: Um, no I didn't
JM: In fact it was a learning process for both of you right?
KN: Objection, calls for speculation
Judge: Sustained
JM: well you and he were experimenting, correct?
JA: You mean with the camera phone?
JM: Well no just sexually speaking
JA: I don't know what you mean by experimenting but we were sexual
JM: well, let's talk about something that was on May 10, 2008 conversation that you had with him, okay?
JA: Okay
JM: In looking at that ma'am, I am going to show you exhibit numbers 425, 426, and 427
JA: okay
JM: You recognize the person in those?
JA: Yeah, this is me just prior to my surgery, Daryl took them
JM: And your surgery was in May of 2006, right?
JA: Um, June 2006
JM: Move for the admission of exhibits 425, 426 and 427
KN: Objection, relevance
Judge: Approach
Tape playing: of KY 'Travis: I've heard of it obviously, but I had never used it. JA: Giggles loudly, you know I had never used it until and I'd always heard of it until one day I just thought, cause it's so cliché and people make fun of it, you know, but it's great stuff. Travis: It's awesome there's nothing else...(I can't hear this part of the tape)KY is good for you, I don't mean it's beneficial because it's designed specifically for that purpose, it's good for the inside...baby oil not the best thing cuz it's mineral oil, you know.
JM: So it appears that in terms of the KY you were the one that introduced Mr. Alexander to it, right?
JA: Yes, that's right
JM: And it was used as part of these sexual encounters that the two of you had?
JA: Yes
JM: And you introduced that into the relationship because it was enjoyable to you, right?
JA: It made out activities more enjoyable
JM: So they were enjoyable to start with and this just enhanced them, right?
JA: Most were enjoyable to start with, most were the first time
JM: I'm just asking about the KY, you introduced the KY into the relationship to make it more sexually enjoyable, right?
JA: Um, yes
JM: And in fact before that your experience had been with baby oil, right?
JA: That's right?
JM: at least to Bobby Juarez, that was what was involved, that's what you used, right?
JA: Probably, I don't remember, but with Matt
JM: So when we're talking about this level of experimentation in this case, it looks like the both of you were experiementing sexually, right?
JA: That's right
JM: When we hear things like well I felt like a prostitute, that's not exactly true, right?
KN: Objection
Judge: Rephrase
JM: When you say that you felt like a prostitute that's at odds with what you're telling us, what we're hearing here about the KY
JA: Well, you're talking about two different incidents, so it would be at odds.
JM: Your participation if you will in these activities was equal to his, right, wasn't it
JA: Yes
JM: So any derogatory statements such as I felt like a prostitute isn't really what was going on, representative of what was going on, right?
JA: Um, it was ,but it was my fault for feeling that way because I allowed it
JM: Well, I know that you allowed it and you felt that way and you say that you felt like a prostitute but when we hear this partial clip of this conversation it looks like you're the one that's moving it along as opposed to him
JA: Is that a question
JM: It is a question
JA: What's the question?
JM: The question is whether or not you were moving it along?
JA: I'd say it was mutual
JM: Well, if it was mutual, um, there is no suggestion then or any reason why you should feel like a prostitute if it was mutual then.
JA: I didn't feel like a prostitute during, just afterward I did.
JM: Well, this is suggestive of you being as much of a participant in these activities as he was, right?
JA: Yes and I was
JM: and so you indicated on two occasions on direct examination that you felt like a prostitute, right?
JA: I believe referencing Ehrenberg, yes
JM: And in Ehrenberg, that's when you said you felt like one, correct?
JA: Not when, after Ehrenberg after thinking about it and he didn't call me for three days and hotel room and all that
JM: And then additionally you also said you felt like that after the batism
JA: No, I think after that I felt like a used piece of toilet paper.
JM: And you didn't convey that to him, did you
JA: No
JM: Did you also say that you felt like a prostitute when he came over ato your house and engaged in oral sex on the porch? Was that the other time.
JA: If I did say that, that would be accurate.
JM: And so if you did feel like that, and remember you even referenced a piece of chocolate being thrown your way do you remember that?
JA: Yes
JM: and then you said, well, I felt kinda like a prostitute. Do you remember saying that now?
JA: Yes
JM: So that was already when you were in Mesa, living in Mesa, right?
JA: That's right?
JM: That's after you had broken up with him on June 29, 2007, right?
JA: yes
JM: That's after you and he had had sex many times, right?
JA: Yes
JM: That's after you and he had already started using the KY, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And so how is it that you can say I felt like a prostitute if you're the one that's sort of moving the relationship ahead?
JA: Well, your question doesn't make sense to me
JM: It doesn't make sense to you? Why is that, ma'am? Because you're moving the relationship ahead by providing the KY, right?
JA: Um, I don't know we would have used something else if it wasn't KY, so no..
JM: Well, you might have used something else if it wasn't KY, but you provided the something else, didn't you? The KY
JA: In this case, I did.
JM: We're not talking about any other case, ma'am, we're talking about this case. You were the one that had the KY or brought it into the relationship to make it better, right?
JA: To facilitate our activities
JM: Sure and that would make them better to facilitated your activities, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And yet you're telling us on the other hand that I felt like a prostitute. Which one is it?
JA: well, when he ****es on my face and throws candy my way without a word, it kinda feels like I'm a prostitute. And when we're mutually going through sexual activity and there's KY there, it's mtutal.
JM: And you're saying that the offensive thing was the **** on you face, right?
JA: I didn't say it was offensive, because I knew it was coming and I willingly participated in it
JM: Well, no, that's sorta how you're making sound like it's something that you didn't want, right?
JA: um, if I didn't want it then I wouldn't have done it
JM: Well let's see what the text message says that actually. Let's take a look at another exhibit. Let's take a look at 488 and 489. 488 does not include Mr. Alexander's responses but 489 does. Take a look at those
JA: Yes, I remember this
JM: And these are text messages that you sent out referencing the particular sex act that we've been talking about
JA: No, this took place in his bedroom, not on the porch
JM: Well it talks about the same sex act, doesn't it, oral sex, doesn't it?
JA: Um, oral sex ejaculating on a face, yes
JM: Okay
JA: I move for the admission of exhibit number 489
KN: Can we approach?
Judge: You may
489 is admitted
JM: Let's take a look at exhibit 489. Ma'am the date on that is January 18th of 2008, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And we've already talked about the times that this is seven hours ahead, correct?
JA: That is correct.
JM: And it does say that it's an incoming message, right?
JA: Um, yes
JM: Which means, as you've previously told us that incoming message means you sent it, right?
JA: That's right
JM: and then this is what the text message reads: :Will do. The reason I was asking about later tonight is because I want to give u a nice bj” Bj stands for what?
JA:
JM: And means without getting way to well means you put your mouth on his penis
JA: Yes, oral sex
JM: Right, and in addition to it you say and I'd like a generous facial in return, right?
JA: yes
JM: That means that you want him to ejaculate on your face, right?
JA: that's correct.
JM: One of the things that we talked about previously you feeling like a prostitute involved a situation where he came over to your house, right?
JA: Yes
JM: On the porch, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And this is what happened what is said in that exhibit, right?
JA: Um, this is a different event, but just that part, yes
JM: It may be a different event, but it's the same act, correct?
JA: And on one occasion he just did and the other occasion is when he left the chocolate, right?
JA: Yes
JM: What you're saying is you found the other one and you felt like a prostitute even though you're the one that's asking him to do that on January 18 of 2008, right?
JA: This is another night, yes. I'm not asking him to do those two things you just referenced. We went, I went over to his house we were in his bedroom, on his bed.
JM: But it's the same act isn't it?
JA: Yes
JM: And so you want him to do to you what happened on the porch, right?
JA: um, yes, well noI didn't want to kneel on my porch and have him walk away from me when he's done.
JM: But I'm talking about the sexual act itself, isn't it the same thing?
JA: Yes
JM: Yet one of them you describe as leaving you feeling like a prostitute, yet this one which is the same thing you're requesting it, right?
JA: I don't know what you mean by the same thing, if you're talking about **** on your face, it's the same thing, as far as the context it's completely different.
JM: Right well what you're talking about is geography, right?
JA: Um geography, mood, setting
JM: Well, you're talking about one being on the porch and this one being in his house, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Putting aside geography, one happened in front of the porch and one happened in his house, isn't it the same act?
JA: Yes it is
JM: And this is one that you are requesting, right?
JA: That's right
JM: We know that because you say Whaddya say?, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And actually then he says “Or we can just grind?” Right?
JA: Um, I think I sent that
JM: Ok, then you say that, or we can just grind, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Then he says “that's a good close”, right?
JA: right
JM: So we can get our terms straight, grinding is a sexual term for those in the Mormon community., right?
JA: I think it is, usually Mormon's typically do it with their clothes on, but we did it without our clothes..
JM: And when you say that they do it with their clothes on it means they rubbed their genetalia together, correct, and they call it grinding, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Um, but you and Mr. Alexander did it without your clothes on, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Was KY involved in this grinding activity?
JA: Sometimes yes, sometimes no
JM: and it would involve if you will, sexual intimacy, correct?
JA: Yes

End of day's testimony

 

[KMouse]

February 27, 2013

Defence Case in Chief

Cross examination of Jodi Arias by Juan Martinez, day four.
<missed the first minute>

--Playing sex tape from May 10, 2008. JA talking about the first time her and TA grinded and when they came together.
--JM says that she is talking in very fond tones, it was fun, something you enjoyed. JM says that she says she enjoyed the sex and it is contradictory to when she says she spoke about feeling like a prostitute. JA says not when you know why I said <and looks at the jury when she says it>
--Exhibit 491, 48 hours interview where she speaks about Erinburg (spelling?). JA says that TA was an amazing person to know, one time they were in Erinburg, they were hitting the freeway to go to a movie theatre, there was a lady holding a sign, TA pulled over asked the lady if she was hungry, TA turns around and goes to Wendys and gets a triple decker and biggie fries and goes back and gives it to the lady. TA was very kind. JA says when she moved to Mesa she only had a room and didn't have room to store everything. TA let her store her belongings at his house. TA was never showy about how generous he was.
--JM is asking about Erinburg and how JA told us something different. JA says it depends on the questions she was asked. JM says that she indicated that all TA wanted was sex. JA says that TA mostly wanted sex. When they got there that was the first thing that happened. They then watched TV, went out for dinner and went to the movies. JA says there wasn't really any romance. JM says that on direct she said it wasn't a very romantic weekend. JM says that JA didn't tell about when TA stopped at Wendys. JM says that there appears to be two sides to the Erinburg story. JM says it sort of looks like you were reminiscing about the weekend in a very positive fashion.
--JM says it appeared that TA was totally into sex...when he was with you? JA says me and other women. JM asks JA if she was ever in a bedroom with TA and another girl. JA says she was. JM asks her if she saw TA have sex with other women. JA says she hasn't. JA says that TA told her he had sex with one other person.
--JM asks her if she is lying here....she says no. But when she spoke with Flores she lied. Lied on more than two occasions. Also lied to 48 hours, people in Utah, Daniel Freeman, everyone. JM says that just because you are sitting the court room there has been a conversion about the lack of truth.
--JM says that she doesn't have any confirmation from these women that anything happened.
--JM says that TA's sexual interest was directed towards you wasn't it? JA says most of it.
--JM now asking her about what was said on May 10, 2008 (sex tape) Exhibit 492, talking about when they took a bath together, candlelight and bubbles. JA says that TA was amazing, made her feel like a goddess, made her feel like she was the most beautiful woman on the whole planet. It was so sexy and so hot and oh gosh... TA says it wasn't hard to make her feel that way because she is hot....TA tells her to start touching herself and says she is already. TA says that before he met her he never jacked off and since she left he jacks off once a day, sometimes more. JA says "I wish you were here" at her grandparents home so they could close the door and have a ****fest.
--JM asks JA about TA saying he never masturbated before meeting her. JA says that TA said something different...that he hardly jacked off. JM clarifys what TA said by replaying the tape again. "honey, before I met you, I never jacked off". JA says she has reason to doubt that.
--Nurmi objects, we are dealing with sex vs. masturbation.
--JA says that what TA says was not consisted as he had jacked off before.
--JM confirms that JA recorded that call. Says it was for them to listen to. JM says that she had control of the recording...it was never in TA's control so that if anybody was going to enjoy that recording it was you. If anybody wanted to hear that again she had the tape. JA says she had control of the recording for a week. JM says it was never in TA's possession. If anybody wanted to listen to it they would have to go through you. JA says at that time, yes. JM asks JA if she gave TA the recording? JA says she never gave it to TA. JM aks again if anybody is going to enjoy the fruits of this, whatever it was, they had to go through you because you had control.
--JA says that they both created the recording and JM asks if TA was pushing the button over and over again. JM says that technologcally speaking the only person who had control was you.
--JM says that TA never knew he was being recorded. JA says that isn't true. JM says nowhere is there any indication that TA knew he was being recorded. JM: you didn't tell him that he was being recorded. JA says she wouldn't have needed to, he already knew. JM says she had the recording for whatever purposes. JM says that this recording that she had she chose not to erase it. JA says not for a week...she didn't have the opportunity. JM asks her what happened after a week to prevent her from erasing the tape. JA says that she believed her phone was stolen and she made a police report. JM says that then the phone resurfaced.
--JM says in terms of this recording it gives us what your views are...you indicate that you want to blossom sexually and he is the person you want to help you blossom sexually. Exhibit 493, exerpt of the audio. JA talking about when she fell asleep on the chair next to TA's bed. TA pulled her pants off and started licking her pussy. She was embarassed because she just got her Brazilian on. The lights were on. more sex talk. JA says that they are both going to marry people and there aren't a lot of Mormon guys...and she says she would really like to marry a return missionary....somebody like you...really freaky. She's worried....says that she still has a lot of blossom time left. TA now saying he is going to tie her to a tree and put it in her . JA says that is so debasing...I like it.
--JM asking JA about the time she was asleep and she says that TA took her panties off...JA says that her panties were missing. JM reminds her that she testified that TA took her panties off. JA says she assumed he took them off. JM is reminding her about the testimony where she said she woke up and TA was doing it without her permission and she didn't like it. JA says she doesn't remember characterizing it that way. JA says that she didn't really like it or not like it. JM asks her if she ever told TA she didn't like it. JA says she never told him.
--JA says she didn't object to it. Nurmi keeps objecting saying that she was asleep.

Sidebar

 

[Labadorable]

jose miguel &#8207;@reporterjmiguel
#JodiArias seems to be staring at Travis' family more today. Especially during sidebars


-->wooow<--comment by moi

 

[HarvestMoon]

I think it was to email it to other women and sabotage his relationships. Souvenir was a bonus.

Her own brother wrote on his Facebook page that she recorded the sex tape so that she could give it to other women.

 

[Labadorable]

Elizabeth Erwin &#8207;@elizabetherwin
No jurors will look at #jodiarias as she describes sex acts she'd like to try with Alexander on this phone sex tape.

 

[Labadorable]

steve krafft &#8207;@stevekrafft
#Arias Jury impassive as they listen to 48 Hours clip


1 min Elizabeth Erwin &#8207;@elizabetherwin
Most jurors watching #jodiarias during the tape. Arias watching the tape play.

 

[Labadorable]

jose miguel &#8207;@reporterjmiguel
A lot of #Arias jurors are staring at #JodiArias as her lie is played in open court

37 secs steve krafft &#8207;@stevekrafft
1134a#Arias As jury hears big lie on 48 Hours from Jodi, she looks away from them. Telling image. Says intruders threatened her.

 

[Labadorable]

jose miguel &#8207;@reporterjmiguel
Funny #JodiArias won't look at the jury now while her lie is played
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[wenwe4]

I am just tuning in . . . .haven't transcribed the first hour (sorry) . . .

Just saw a video clip of JA saying pulled trigger but it didn't fire . . . (I think is that what happened to her) . . .. she did shoot him first but the gun didn't fire . . . . and she shot him last!! That way both are true for Jodi . . he just could not die fast enough. 3 minutes from start to finish . . . .

48rs video where JA describes killing scenario with 2 ninjas . . . male & female . . . I went back to where I should sit . . . . they argued over whether to kill her . . . after he went thru her purse again he just pulls the trigger . . . .

weird feeling pull the trigger and you are still there . . . .

my legs giving out . . . did my best to get down the stairs and get out . . .

JM . . . so neither of these stories are true
JA I couldn't keep my lies straight


jm - when you left Yreka you didn't have a plan
ja - on June 4th?
jm - no plans to go to mesa when ya left Yreka
ja correct
jm take a look @ what you told . . . exhibit #502? admitted

 

[Snoopy1]

WildAboutTrial &#8207;@WildAboutTrial
A majority of the jury seems to be focused on Juan Martinez, few look at #JodArias now.

 

[wenwe4]

Santa Cruz, Monterray, . . . pasedena = skipped san diego . . . travis has way of guilting me . . . why don't you come to Mesa . . . I have other plans and other people . . .he would take offense . . . ok you don't love me . . . . it pulled @ my heart strings a little . . . called and said I am coming up . . . I showed up @ 4am . . he stayed up too . . . he watching silly videos of people dancing - not a sexual nature video

reservation to rent card made on line in Redding .. Yreka has rental car companies . . . when went to get rental had to inconvenience someone to take you to get rental . . .not for my bank account! . . . how much did you take with you? between $80 - $200 . .. could it have been $300? . . . I don't remember probably not . . . . don't take morethan $300 - that is difficult . . .cheaper to rent from Redding than from Yreka . . not more convenient . . . .everyone knows everyones' business usually in Yreka . . . ie: when JA was 17 and she skipped class - hx exam - she was studying in her car and her Dad found her . . . you said Yreka is a very small town . . that is not why he found me - I knew why but he found me by driving around . . that's how

you said Yreka small town - that is how your Dad found you . . Yreka is about the same population as when you were in highschool . . . no about 1000 more people now . . . not exploding population . . . might meet up with people you know? yes . . . if you went to car rental place in Yreka they might know you . . .some people might but I hadn't lived there in 10 years. population 7,000 . . .. no Margaritaville . . . worked @ Casa Ramos taking vacation - road trip-business trip. . . . if business you could deduct the gas? . . . yes if that part was for business . . . went to Utah? yes . . . kept receipts and pay attention & kept them (in a shoebox) . . . .all receipts from this trip were thrown into shoebox . .. not all . . whatever left in my wallet . . . I'm not very organized . . . . rent a car in Redding - south on the way . . . 99 miles away - close to 2 hrs . . . just under . . . left house around 5am - @ redding airport by 8:00 am . . . waited a little bit there was a line . . . someone was with you? yes . . .either my brother in law or my sister . . . one did one and one did the other . .they dropped you off? I went alone to the counter . . . . first time before rented car youwent to her house . . .ready to take you down to airport . . . dropped you off and you went to pick up the car - initially rented a car by Mr. Columbo - red one . . . you didn't want red car - it would call attention or stand out . . . you did want to exchange car cuz LE focus on red cars . . . I'm trying to think - I don't think I worded it that way . . I heard theyget more tickets . . . not the police dept because I would be on the freeway . . . on freeway that is the Calif. Hwy Patrol . . .not police - they are law enforcement . . .(again with the semantics!!!! . . . . there is a pattern of behavior here folks . . . . semantics. . . . . Aarrgghhh!)

reluctant to take red car . . . motivated by financial frugality . . . in theory I would be less likely shell out $ for tickets if not in red car . . . speculating red cars get more tickets . . . drivers of red cars tend to drive faster they get more tickets . . . that is what other people do are you going to drive over 10 miles? I have been cited several times when I had the radar off. . . I was going 60+ in a 50 mph zone he clocked me @ 79 . . . . that is over the 10 mile over the speed limit . . . were you going to go over 10 miles over?
objection

lunch recess!

 

[KMouse]

Cross examination of Jodi Arias by Juan Martinez, day four.

<missed 13 minutes>

--JM asks JA if her and TA talked about ending the phone sex. Exhibit 497. Sex tape exerpt. TA talking about taking a photo of him coming on her face and wants to take a photo mid shot. JA telling him how she thinks about sex with him everyday. <can't make out exactly what TA is saying> JA says if it's wrong she doesn't want to be right.
--JM says it appears that there appears to be a bit of a conflict because of the sexual activity whether it was by phone or in person.
--JM says it created conflict for TA because of the LDS faith and then reminds her that she is also LDS and it also created a conflict for her.
--JM says that you continued to engage in the sexual activity even though you had a conflict.
--Audio tape again...Exhibit 498. TA says that the pictures she takes are so hot. JA says what are we going to do with ourselves. It's weird. We're hornytoads. JM says that there is no indication she is offended by the sex that is going on. JA agrees.
--JM says that JA had a pet name for Travis. Exhibit 499. Text message from January 20th. "hey hottie biscottie" call me before you hit the sack.
--JM asks her if that is a term of endearment people use towards one another.
--JM says that Travis really wasn't special to you was he (paraphrased)
--Exhibit 287, message to Ryan Burns where she says "hey hottie-biscottie"
--JM says you used the same term for Ryan Burns and you only met him once. In terms of a one-on-one it was only one time you met and you are already calling him "hottie biscottie".
--Exhibit 286, tells us a little bit more of what happened when you went to see him. In the text, Ryan says that when they woke up she adjusted him. She pressed her body close to him. JM says that bottom line you are already involved the same give and take you were with Travis.
--re: stories she gave to Det. Flores and then another story to 48 hours. JA says that she thinks she was inconsistent with her lies. JM says lets take a look at what you said to 48 hours.
--Exhibit 500, 48 hours exerpt, JA says let me talk about this and nobody knows this, the detectives know this...boy this is really hard...there is a lot of evidence that places me at Travis' house the day...not just the day...the week and there is a reason for that...I did see Travis that day and I almost lost my life as well. I was told I can't speak about it because my family's life is in danger.. I was told that they would die and I would die. There was an argurment with two individuals, one said they wanted to take her life and the one said that that's not why we came. JA says she was on the ground on her knees and the guy held the gun to her head. The female ninja was standing by Travis in the bathroom. JA just remembers closing her eyes. JA says that the man pulled the trigger, there was a click...at that point she pushed past him and ran down the stairs. Could swear she could hear someone following her down the stairs and she got in her car and left.
--JM says that nowhere in that video did she ever tell anybody about her memory loss.
--JA says she couldn't get her story straight.
--Exhibit 501, 48 hours exerpt, JA says she was looking down and looking at some photos. TA was really critical of himself. Says she heard a loud pop and was hit on the back of her head. When she came to, TA was on all fours, one of his hands was on his head, on his knees and she looked over towards the entrance to the hallway, she ran into the closet to run out the other door but he (male ninja) stopped her and put a gun to her forehead. She stopped and squatted the the male left the room. The female ninja was in the bathroom. JA ran down the hall and pushed her. TA landed on by the sink and JA pulled him and kept saying c'mom lets go. TA was not really saying anything. she was able to get him halfway down the hall. The female was stomping on her feet and kicking her. The male came into the room. The male and female argued whether or not JA should die. He didn't want to and she did and she kept saying why they should and the male said that's not why we came here. Male went through her purse again and then pulled the trigger but nothng happened. At that point she ran, pushed right past him and ran down the stairs. JA was hyperventilating, her hear was racing, she was trying not to stumble down the stairs so she got out as fast as could and slammed the door behind her and got into her car.
--JM says that this is yet another story and JA says that she couldn't get her lies straight.
--JM says she spoke to 48 hours about moving to Mesa. JM says that when she came out to Mesa she didn't have a plan and JA asks "you mean on June 4th?". JM says that when she left Yreka she didn't have any plans to go to Mesa. JA says that is correct. JM says lets take a look at what you told them (48 hours).
--Exhibit 502, 48 hours exerpt, JA says she goes by the wind when she goes on her road trips, says that on this last trip her plan was to go to Monteray...(missed some). Says that when she was in Pasedena that night she decided to go to Mesa. TA had found out about her road trip and TA told her to come to Mesa and visit him. JA says that when she was in Pasedena she called him and told her she was coming to Mesa. Told him not to wait up for her. She got to Mesa around 0400 and TA was watchign videos. Went to bed to sleep.
--JM asking about the videos TA was watching
--JM says that JA left Yreka on June 2, 2008 and made some preparations. Made a reservation to rent a car, not in Yreka, but some other place. JA says it was in Redding. JM says that she had to inconveniece somebody else to take her. It would have been much more convenient to rent a car in Yreka.
--JM asks JA how much money she took with her in cash. JA says $80-$200, she doesn't really remember. JM asks her if it could be $300. JA doesn't remember having that much. JM says that if she doesn't remember how much it must be $80-$200 as that is what she usually took.
--JM says that it would have been more convenient to rent the car in Yreka. JA says no. JM says that Yreka is a small town and it would have been more convenient to rent the car there. JM says that she had said that Yreka is a small town where everybody knows everybody elses business.
--JM asking her again about when she told them that Yreka was a small town and that is how her father found her in 1997-1998 when she was in her car in the parking lot.
--JM: In Yreka, if somebody does something they may meet up with somebody they know. JA says yet. JM: If you went to a car rental company in Yreka to rent the car somebody may have recognized you. JA says that she hadn't been living there very long.
--Yreka population is 7,000. She worked at one of the bars, Casa Ramos. The road trip was part of her vacation. JA says that it was partially vacation and partially a business trip. JM says that because it was a business trip she would save her receipts for income tax purposes.
--JM says that she paid attention to the receipts she got from the gas stations.
<live stream froze>
--JM says so you're in Yreka and you decide to rent a car in Redding. JA says it's south, thinks it is 99 miles, just under 2 hours away.
--JA was at the Redding airport around 0800. JA says she did not wait for it to open. There was a line. Says she can't remember if it was her brother's neighbor that drove her.
--JM asks if the person with her got out of the car. JA says she doesn't remember.
--JM says that she was given a car by Mr. Columbo, the car offered initially was a red car. JA had told us that the reason she didn't want a red car was the color that police officers focus on. JM says you did give a reason why you didn't want that car.
--JA says that she just heard that they get more tickets (red cars).
--JA says that on the freeways in California the people that give out tickets are not police but California Highway Patrol. JA says highway patrol are not police but law enforcement.
--JM asks her how she would describe her reluctance to rent a red car. JA says it was for financial reasons because she didn't want to get tickets that would cost her money.
--JA says that her thought is that drivers of red cars tend to drive faster and get more tickets. That's what she has been told.
--JM says that if she was doing the speed limit or 10 over then she wouldn't get a ticket.
--JM asks for her to give an example of when she was driving within 9 miles over the speed limit and got pulled over and got a ticket.

LUNCH RECESS

Judge asks if there was anything else and Nurmi says there is and the judge asks them to approach. Live feed is cut off.

 

[Laceybug]

Sheriff Joe Talks To Mike Broomhead About The Diet Of Jodi Arias

http://www.kfyi.com/pages/broomhead.html?article=10986683

 

[wenwe4]

Afternoon session . . . after lunch Wed. . . JM w/JA

ran out of gas . Nevada. . 15 or 20 miles further to nearest gas station . .. . didn't think I would make it on e and he cam out and assisted me . . . .gas receipt 6/6/08 Winnemucca 12.175 gal . . . $41.91 . . . . .running out of gas . . .

car w/approx. 12 gal . . . objection - sidebar

I put gas in it I probably filled it up in Winnemucca . . . at least we know this gas tank could hold 12.175 gallons of gas . . started around 5:00 am . . . renting @ 8am . . takes 1-2 hrs to drive there . . . actually called Darryl Brewer . . . . I was up all night didn't get up early . . . did contact old boyfriend, made number phone calls to him probably not sure . . made @ least 2 calls . . . if that is what my phone records reflect . .. what memory reflects . . don't remember calling . .I don't know how soon it was before the trip . . probably before end of may . . do not deny made a call . . . asked him whether he had spare gas cans . . . that sounds right . . . is that what you did? . . . I think I did because he is the one I ended up borrowing . .. answer is yes with that question . . . events leading up to your trip? leading up to . . yeah a little bit . . .killing on 6/5/08 . . that whole period have problems w/memory or just end of May? . . . I would say both - my whole life is like that . . . trouble with events your whole life? . . . sometimes can't remember all or well? . . .all of the above . . . end of May - don't remember making a phone call to Mr. Brewer? I know I called him . . wanted to borrow gas cans . . that was not te purpose of the call . . .I think so . . take a trip, put gas in it with gas cans , trip going to Mesa AZ? - NO . . you here when he testified yes . . . had a close relationship and friendship - 4 yrs . . .still had his phone number and could ask him for a favor? yes . . . which one? . . . are there other favors? . . . I don't know I want to know what you are talking aobut? . . . I am not sure that is why I asked . . . we have been talking about gas cans. . . ..

more than 1 conversation about gas cans . . .before you went on trip you told him you were going to Mesa? no not tru . . . told him AZ to visit friends? . . no I said Utah . . . isn't it true you said Mesa? . . . I said Utah . . I am not asking you what you said? I think you are.

isn't it true you discussed with Brewer needed gas cans to go to Mesa . . . no I said Utah . . . it is a yes or no question I answered no 3 times . . . am I asking you are you telling the truth? I don't know are you . . .

you heard prosecutor say are you telling truth? not immediately . . . did have conversations with Brewer to borrow gas cans . . they were expensive and not in the budget for my travels . . .wanted two? yes whatever he had. . . if he had 6 you would take 6? no room no . . .

did car have carmats? no
went back to sleep - yes @ my brother in laws house
late morning but not sure . . . stopped again and slept and then began driving
did anyone ask you if you slept?

do you have a problem with your memory today?
not in this particular case
after woke up @ sis house - did you start trip? yes
what time monterray . . . past midnight very late by the time we got to monterray
place you left your sister andarrived early morning hours of june 3
ballpark of 500 miles - 6.5 to 7 hrs
met MM and his roommate
did I ask if met roommate?

spent night @ place he was living
yes got up in the morning . . . before Jack had to go to school . . . don't remember time
plans to meet MM or did you call on the road
definatley beforehand cuz I was gonna crash thered
week before or days before
don't know we spoke here and there don't know
did MM go with you to meet Brewer?
no
one reason go see Jack . . . had breakfast check email
it was myspace email . . . there is an email system but not my email . . . don't remember if checked other email . . . check myspace - hadn't done it for a few days . . . got some gas cans - when in whole sequence of events gas cans. . . some time during the visit don't remember - red gas cans in the trunk with luggage . . . spent time w/Brewer somewhere like half hour . . . leave and then come back to return a remote. .. tv or dvd player . . . how did it get in your car? . . it was already with him I drove away on accident. . don't know how I got it.

in Selinas you did a number of things . . did your nails. . yes . . I had to wait for awhile . . doing of the nails didn't take time but no appointment took some time . . left selinas on the 3rd . . . what time? afternoon - don't know what time . . . gas cans from Brewer you forgot something else . . you haven't asked me yet . . .

you have not testified about a 3rd gas can . . bought it from walmart . . .2 5gal gas cans . . now a 3rd gas can same size . . . capacity 15 gal . . . at that moment did. . . would they change capacity and not allow you to fill gas can later on . . . yes . . I returned the gas can . . .

 

[KMouse]

Afternoon testimony

--Judge tells JA that when responding to questions she must let Mr. Martinez finish before starting to speak as the court reporter can only type one person at a time.
--JM asks about the car rental in Redding, the white car, more to her liking because of the issue with
--JM says that car had a capacity for 12 gallons
Exhibit 237.01A, Gas receipt in Winnamucca in Nevada. JM asks her about it and JA says that her gas light was on. JA purchased 12.79 gallons of gas. JA never said on direct examination that she ran out of gas. Nurmi objects...foundation. Sidebar.
--JM asks her if she filled her car up with gas. JA says she put gas in it but not sure if she filled it up. 12.175 gallons of gas were purchased. JM says at least we know the gas tank holds at least 12.175 gallons of gas.
--JM asks her about before the trip, she was at the car rental place in Redding for 0800 hours and in anticipation of that she called Darryl Brewer. JA says that she didn't sleep that night. JA made a number of telephone calls to him. JA says "probably" she isn't sure. JM says you at least made two phone calls to him. JA says if that is what her phone records say then yes...JM says I don't want to know what the phone records say I want to know what you remember.
--JA called Daryl at the end of May and asked him if she had any spare gas cans. JA says "that sounds right". JM asks if it that is a yes or a no.
--JM is once again asking if she is having trouble with her memory leading up to her trip and JA says..."leading up to it...yeah a bit".
--JA says there are some things she can recall and some things she doesn't.
--JM asks her if she is having trouble remembering some things from her whole life.
--JM says at the end of May you really don't remember if you made a phone call to DB.
--JM says that you called him because you wanted to talk to him about some gas cans. JA says that wasn't the purpose of the call.
--JM says that the other thing you told him was that you were going to Mesa. JA says that is not correct.
--JM asks her about the friendship she maintained with DB after they broke up.
--JM says she felt comfortable enough to ask him for a favour. JA says what favour. JM says the gas cans. <they dance around the gas can issue and Jodi is smiling>.
--JM says there is more than one conversation about the gas cans. JA says she doesn't remember.
--JM asks her if it is true that before she went on the trip she told him she was going to Mesa. JA says it is not true.
--JM: My question to you is what you told him...that before you went on your trip did you tell him you were going to Mesa. JA keeps saying that she told DB she was going to Utah.
--JM asks her why she didn't just go and buy gas cans. JA says they were expensive. JA says she didn't have the money in her budget.
--JM says so you put them in the trunk of this car that had floormats. JA says that the car didn't have any floor mats.
--JM sleeps at her sister's place and then gets up and then starts her trip. <more dancing around the details>,.
--JM: after you slept at your sister's house did you get up and start your trip to Monteray.
--JA says that it was past midnight when we got to Monteray. <she says "we" twice>
--In Santa Cruz she met up with Matt McCartney, and spend the night where he was living.
--JM asks her what time she got up in the morning. JA says it would have been before Jack had to go to school but she doesn't remember.
--JM asks her if she had plans to meet up with MM.
--JA says it was beforehand. She can't remember when
--JM: did MM go with you the next morning to visit DB? Matt did not go with her to DB's place.
--JM asks her if when she got to DB's place if she checked her email. She says she checked the one in her MySpace account. JM asks her what the purpose was. JA says she hadn't done it in a few days.
--JM says that at some point she gets the gas cans. JM asks her if it was before or after Jack left for school.
--JM asks her where she put the cans. JA says the trunk. JM asks her where her luggage is. JA says in the trunk.
--JA says she was at DBs for about 30 minutes. She leave and then comes back to return a remote for DB's TV or DVD. JM asks her how the remote got into her car. JA says she doesn't know.
--From there she drove to Selinas. She got her nails done. JM says "and it took quite a while, right?". JA says that she had to wait. <Numi looks ready to take notes now>
--JM says you told us about the gas cans from Mr. Brewer and JA says "you never asked me".
--JM asking her about another gas can she bought from Walmart in Selinas. JA thinks it was the same size as the others.
--JA says she returned the gas can. JM says so now you have a capacity of 10 gallons.
--JM says so why is it....that when you go to the Arco and fill up with gas and go inside. Exhibit 237.012, receipt for ???? gallons, Exhibit 237.013 for 2.77 gallons
--JM asks JA if she remembers when DB testified about the 5 gallon gas cans. JM asks her if she was there. JA says she was there but sometimes her mind wanders.
--Exhibit 237.011, Pasedena, receipt, June 3, 2008 2042 hours, 8.301 gallons, price $4.169
--JM is asking her about 5 gallons gas cans so the receipt must be for the car, JM says there is no reason to believe that the receipt is for the gas cans. JM says you were taking the gas cans for a reason. JM asks her that if you were taking them to have extra gas wouldn't you want them to have the maximum amount? Nurmi objects...relevance.
--Exhibit 237.001 is the receipt for you filling up the rental car with gas. JM says and you pumped your own gas right? JA: yes. JM: and you paid with your debit card right? JA: yes
--JM: with regard to the gas that you purchased inside, 237.012 you paid with cash. Paid $40 and got 9.59 gallons. Time is 2046 hours. four minutes after the first transaction (Exhibit 237.001)
--Exhibit 237.013, same gas station, time is 2053 hours, five minutes later than the transaction involving the 10 gallons of gas. JM says that the five minutes would allow her to go from the inside back out to her car.
--JM says that we know that at that particular gas station you spent $35.06 and $40.00 and 9 we are now talking you spent $84 in gas. JA says she is not good at math.
--JM says that you have driven all the way down there and JM reminds her that she said that she said that gas was cheaper in Utah and Nevada. JM says that California is a progressive state in that it has gas stations everywhere doesn't it? JM says it seems like her fears about gas in California were not well founded.
--JM says that you really didn't have a need for gas if you were driving through Arizona right?
--JM reminds her that on direct exam. the Ford Focus was running out of gas every 170 miles??
--JM says that you filled up with 12 gallons of gas every time right? Nurmi objects, foundation..
--JM says if you are running low on gas in Desert Center you would put about 12 gallons of gas in the car and then in Winnimucca you would put in another 12 gallons of gas right? JA says that the Shell station had cheap gas. (hard to keep track as JA is playing the word games again)
--JM asks her how long it took her to get to Mesa and how much gas she used.
--JM asks her about the third gas can and JA says "not at that time.
--Exhibit 237.008, receipt, 5 gallon gas can, bought in Selinas at Walmart.
--JM asks JA about her goal for getting gas cans and if she wants to save on gas, why is it you are willing to pay almost $13 for a gas can? JA says she returned it. JM asks her for the receipt. JA says she did not get one. JM says "you believe that when you took that gas can back Walmart didn't give you any documentation for returning it". JA says she does not remember.
--JM says that if she bought a gas can for $13 it would not help save for gas.
--JM asks her if it would have made more sense to fill up in Nevada.
--JM: At the time you filled up these cans your plan was to go to Utah.
--JM says if you are going to go to Nevada from Pasedena you can get there on one tank of gas? JM asks her if she believed that there woudn't be any gas stations
--JM says that it would have made more sense to drive from Pasedena north bound to the border.
--JA says she still wanted to save gas but her priority changed.
--Exhibit 237.12, 10 gallons of gas. Exhibit 237.013, $20 in gas.
--JM says that she was able to put 10 gallons plus 2.774 in containers.
--JM is asking her about Exhibit 237.012 went to the car. JA says that is possible.
--Exhibit 237.001 went into the gas can. JM asks her why is she breaking it up? You went to the pump and put 8.3 gallons in. Made the transaction then went inside to prepay $40. (Exhibit 237.002). JM says "you went inside". JA says she knows she went inside but not sure what payment. The first receipt doesn't have the name of a clerk.
--Jm says that really what she is doing is filling the two gas cans first and then the third can, JA says she didn't have a third can, JM says then you filled up the car.
--JM asks her about when she went to the Starbucks she got a strawberry Frap and called Ryan and says that her plan was still to go up to Utah. It's about a 12 hour drive. In talking to Ryan you never told him you were not going to go stright to Utah. JA says no.
--JM says that in any conversations with Ryan you never told him you were going to take a detour. JM asks her if she told MM she was going to take a detour. Didn't tell DB either.
--JM says that one of the things she took on this trip was the gas cans. The other thing you took was...you brought a gun didn't you? JA says she didn't.
--JM now asking about a conversation JA had on June 10, 2008 with Det. Flores. During that conversation you and he discussed a number of things. One of the objectives was to get the detective to look somewhere else. JA: yes.
--JM says so what you were doing was in your best interest. JA says "I wouldn't put it like that".
--JM: If you don't want him to look at you as a suspect that is the goal right?
--JA: says she would attempt to not say anything.

 

[wenwe4]

I was physically here but sometimes I space out . . . during other people's testimony I sometimes space out . . . don't remember everything h said . . . Pasedena Calif . . Arco debit 6/3/08 - 8:442pm . . . 8.301 gal . . .that is for you filling up the car . . don't know - you were there? yes two 5 gall gas cans. . . this is 8.301 and 2.77 . . .it has that capacity but not full capacity . . .

take cans with you to have extra gas available . . .at one point yes another point no . .. don't you want max amount with you. . . I guess - you were driving wouldn't yu fill it up to approx. 10 gal? I don't know . . .

this is receipt of you filling up that ford focus with gas? . . . pumped own gas, paid with debit card . . . mastercard or visa . . . yes . . . gas purchased inside paid cash $40 . . . harder to track in terms of sales . . . not if you save receipt . . . . harder to keep track of than credit transaction . .. if you say so . . .

gals 9.54 gal that was $40 . . time 10:53 . . 20:46:50 . . 4 min after debit transaction . . .8:46:50 yes . . . this one is @ 8:53 - 5 min later than the transaction involving approx. 10 gal gas . . . yes . . .during that time allow you to go from inside to your car - yes . . . time span 8:42 to 8:46 to 8:53 . . . from car to register from register to car . . .

$35.06 + $40 = $75 . . . then add $9 = $84 gas spent . . .I don'tknow I am not good @ math . . . between $80 to $84 spent . . yes . . gas cheaper in AZ and Utah . . . I said gas is cheaper in Nevada . . . you filled up in Calif .. yes . .. more than NV and Utah . . .
Nevada has gas stations almost anywhere . . .

travels from Monterray to Selinas - no prob seeing gas station - no . . fears . . .
fears in Az . . . I drove there many times I know where the gas stations were . . . approx. 150 - 170 miles car runs out of gas . . . don't remember saying that. . . said Ford Focus ran out gas . . . I remember running out quickly . . . from pasedena filled up @ desert center . . 170 miles down road . . . don't know - you drove it. . . drove to buckeye and filled up there another 170 miles . . . yes . . . both times filed up . . . w/12 gal gas approx. . . if you were running low - it would be approx. 12 gal . . I guess . . .

filled up in Winnemucca . . . did not run out of gas . . I was low . .. put in over 12 gal in Winnemuca . . . and 12 gal in Desert Center . . . if running low based on previous computations approx. 12 gal . . . stopped in Buckeye the gas station had ?

this car uses inordinate amount ogas . . .stopped @ Deser Center . . . stopped @ Buckeye . . . car running low on gas - close to empty . . .arouind 12 gal in Desert center, into the tank . . approx. . . then another 12 gal gas in buckeye presumably yes. . . now long take to get to Mesa . . . that hour morning not long. . . had gas cans full of gas - filled up in pasedena . . .in my trunk . .. did not have a 3rd time . . .not at that time . . . after selinas didn 't have that gas can . . . see receipt . . 5 G kero carb is type of gas can . . . very financially strapped . . . want to save on gas . .. what is say is ultimate goal . . at the time . . . save on gas but willing to pay $13 for a gas can which would increase the price of travel . . . . not a calculation I made when I bought it - that is why I took it back . . . no receipt . . .walmart did not give you any written document evidence . . .don't recall

agree if bought gas can - $13 doesn't make any financial cents if you are looking to save gas . . .more sense to filled up in pasedena and get to Nevada an then fill up there - goal was to travel to Utah . . . I didn't end up going directly to Utah . . . at time filled up cans your plans were to go to Utah . . didn't talk to TA until after then . . . a strawberry drink @ starbucks when told travis . . . you can go from Pasedena to las vegas had no gas station . . . don't know but didn't believe that was the case. . .

more financial sense - keep driving from pasedena til closer to border - got to Nevada it would be cheaper to fill there - that was goal . . . I still wanted to save gas but my priority changed . . ..

the apprx 10 gal receipt then 2.7 gal . . . .you were person actually put gas in gas cans . . .one was 5 gal . . and the other was 5 gal . . same size . . . both each can carry is about 10 gal . . you were able to put 10 gal plus 2.77 in the container. . . no other one wasprobalbly the car . . . the 10 gal went to the car . . . the 8.3 went to gas can .. . whyare you breaking it up this purchase?

gas cans . . . 8.3 gal gas . . . made debit transaction . . .then gas in car . . . @ 8:46 an went inside . . . if IIRC I prepaid . . . you did prepay but you di it inside . . . clerk 2525 means inside . . . . I now I went inside for one payment but don't know which one .. . 20:53 - 7 min later . . . go back inside . .

from the 8 gal? is that what you are saying? . . .
any reason to doubt authenticity. . . go in 8:46 pay with cash .. . then go back and pay for more gas . . . . before that. . . @ 8:42 you pay fo more gas again . . .yes

you filled up the 3rd gas can didn't you? I didn't have a 3rd .. . and you filled the car

then you went to a starbucks in Pasadena - strawberry frap . . . called Mr. Burns to go to Utah . . . if you left when you said . . you would arrive about 10:30 or 11 next morning . . . told Burns you were not going to straight to Utah . . . any converstaions prior to arriving to mesa never told RB detour . . . never contacted MM to tell him? I attempted - he didn't answer - he didn't know either . . . Mr. Brewer? . . . I called both ofthem to find my charger but didn't let them know change of plans. . . .

took gas cans . . . also brought a gun didn't you?
absouletly not
conversation w/Det Flores on 6/10/08
yes
you called him back .. . what going on in the investigation . . . discussed number of things . . get information and cast suspicion away from you? for the time being . . . get the Det. to look away from you . .. didn't want to be incarceratedfor this killing . . . in your best interest. . . um I wouldn't put it like that

so he wouldn't see you as suspect you -yes benefit you right? part of the goal for the call . . .wouldn't say anything make it look like you are suspect? I would attempt to . . . based on world of knowedge you had a the time . . . I guess . . . didn't call to say I killed TA and here is where to look in the desert to find the gun . . . yes

you wouldn't purposely say things to hurt you or your case . . .I don't know . . . probably not not relly my goal . . . I didn't considerate my case but wouldn ot say anything to intentionally hurt my case . . .

didn't know you were being tape recorded . . . I assumed it was . . .an atty told me . . . said they tape . . . all the more reason of you need to be on look out or be careful to incrimate you . . yes

knowi that you still made statement about the gun? . . yes I didn't follow atty counsel . ..statement involve gun? yes I did. . . . det flores never calledyou first . . no he didn't he returned your call . . . for all you knew he didn't knowif you existed . . . I knew going off hearsay . . . do I know inside his head no but

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