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  • #701
Hopeful One said:
Originally Posted by manzana
Because they were hand written.

I see many people making comments all over the place regarding whether this was due to an email, when. I suggest reading the 2-25-2013 argument/brief made by the state.

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(bringing this over from the previous thread because I'd really like to read this but if the link gets posted over there, I don't want it to get lost in the shuffle)

Again, do you have a link for this?
Click to expand...

Link provided by manzana on the previous thread.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/109828551/Jodi-Arias-Court-Documents
 
  • #702
  • #703
Jodi printed the letters from emails she found @ library from Bobby to a female he had not yet met . . . JA went to see Bobby . . . .she didn't say anything - handed letters over to Bobby and began to cry . . . .
after not going to work, gone through his personal emails, you were there confronting him?
I guess you could say confrontation

you gave him the letters
I showed him
intent for him to look @ them
I guess - yes


he began to read them, you stood there, you went directly over to see him with the letters?
no I actually went home got all my stuff to move and then 'confront'? him
you weren't going to put up with it
no
you guys broke up
we didn't
you decided to stay after he cheated on you
eventually yes
where did you actually spend the night that night after putting you stuff in the car
my Grandma's . . . few days

your decision to get back with him
after talking to him
you felt good going back to him
yes

did same thing with Matt McCartney
what ways - be specific
you had a feeling - you drove to Crater Lake
I had feeling but not straight to Crater lake
2 of his coworkers told me he was dating Bianca
saw photograph - heard bout this and left work
did side work 5-10 min then left
first I drove to Ashland
did I ask you where you went?


I asked about Bianca - did you tell her you drove an hour and a half

are you having a problem here?
sometimes because you go in circles

did you have any problem with understanding 5-10 min sidework drove to speak to Bianca 1.5 hrs . . . when you thing something not right you are going to confront that person.
not necessarily
MM and Bobby you did
yes
same thing with TA . . . .back in Aug 2007 - you thought you were being courted and you felt you were being wronged . . you felt strong enough to confront him the next day
wasn't confrontational - I wasn't allowed to be confrontational with TA

how could he possibliy control how you acted . . . youhad no free will, you could leave and not go there if you didn't want to . . .you went to Yreka .. . . leaving in March but left in April
I could have left much earlier if I had the financial means

I am a procrastinator
re: Bobby, Matt & Mr. Brewer you acted immediately
what are we talking about Brewer never cheated on my . . . . I had one foot out the door in that relationship
Met TA and 4 days later Brewer was on the outs - when you want something you act immediatel
yes
same thing with your Mother - you acted immediately . .. your Mom came out late March, Sunday March 30, 2008 ?
Sunday doesn't sound right . . . late March early April
she came out and was acting in a way you didn't like
during part of it
she was making stupid excuses
yes about her flight
she was being negative - you made sure she went back
she was being negative
and you made her leave. . . . immediately . . . it appears you have been able to act very quickly
in those examples yes
with regard to Mr. Burns you acted very quickly
what you mean quickly
in very beginning of relationship, text each other, plan to meet (after a few months-ja) you then go out there and start sexual contact
no sexual contact - I was on top of him when I fell asleep
you adjusted him
yes
you put your hands under his buttock area
no it was his shoulders

Trust issues . . . what you said about trust issues
 
  • #704
You decided to go look @ that phone . . . saw some text messages that you believed were inappropriate . . . could have been guys
not likely suppose it is possible
text messgages - meeting a married woman
no that was his Myspace
occurred few months prior
what was subject matter
things representing sexual body parts meeting other body parts and meeting up @ hotel room , etc
you were offended
very offended .. . I was hurt
you just said it was a good word . . then I used it and its not a good word
I think so -
you don't know
how is it you don't remember what happened
you make my brain scramble

are you looking to point finger @ someone else
not what I said
way you are posing the questions
I don't know
didn't it just happen
yes

it's your posture, tone, way you are posing questions
my fault?
not your fault
way people are sking questions in a way you don't like
compound question
the truth depends on the style being used . . . that is what the truth knows
you are telling us the truth on the witness stand
absolutely

you are having problems telling us the truth now because of the way the questions are being framed
I don't know how to answer that . . .

why don' you know you brought it up
object - badgering
sustained

prosecutor's posture was aggressive
I didn't say aggressive
you have problems with prosecutor posture
I don't know . . . it's a problem with you posture . .but the pressure wanting me to answer
you need to take more time between question
sometimes

posturing july 15,2008 - det flores interviewed you and he was sitting down and voice very quiet
yes (big drink water - selfsoothe)

I will always tell the truth
you told truth to det Flores
I will tell the truth under oath
he had a posture and demeanor - leaning forward - sitting down not standing

problems you are having now is because prosecutor standing
it's my own mental problem

objection

are you having trouble because the prosecutor is standing
you are talking about truth I am talking about memory
you don't have problem answering the question

you just told us having problems with answering because of posture
would it help if I stood @ the lectern like your Atty did?
Objection before he can ask the same question again

do you want to approach
yes

(whew . . .. . . . . I couldn't keep up!!!!)
 
  • #705
Shannon Crabtree Peterson

For later reference
 
  • #706
You are hampered in ability to answer questions - irrespective of where the prosecutor is . . . you said because of posture
in that moment yes
changes moment to moment?

Det Flores was sitting in a chair and you lied to him
yes
doesn't matter

objection she is talking about MEMORY NOT TELLING THE TRUTH

Doesn't matter where person is sitting (how?) depends on if you lie
I would sometimes lie to TA

This line of questioning right now is not about your relationship with TA . . .about your ability to answer questions in the courtroom . . . what will allow you to answer questions in courtroom.

I thought you meant about the truth . .
M'am . .. mike could you please read

question is non-sensical
re-state the question

you understand we need your answers, as complete as possible
not the question I am getting from you
unless you are allowed to ramble on - your being restricted
in this particular case the prosecutor is cutting you off
in this cross exam - yes

6/29/07 - you broke up . . . you snooped into his telephone . . .didn't have permission to go into his telephone
not explicitly?
did you have his permission to go look @ his text messages in his phone - on that day
not that day
took it upon yourself to look into the phone - saw text messages - that upset you - you made decision relationship was over
not right that day
you were upset having conversations about bodily parts with other people via text messages

you were so upset you still went on vacation . . New York . .. a PPL conference
no it was a retreat
then to Huntington
that was the retreat
stayed with him
yes
engaged in sexual intercourse . . even though very upset with him you chose to go on vacation rather than break up with him . . . his fault you broke up not yours.

his fault that I broke up with him?
yes not your fault
it was my choice - don't know about fault
for the breakup
I guess we each had a part in it
his fault for the break up because of him doing these things? That is what motivated me to break up

you are to believe you are to blame for going behind his back
yes I felt bad about it
you say you feel bad . . . but haven't you done similar stuff in the past
yes
you went behind MM back and went and talk to Bianca
no he wasn't available . .
did you go to talk to him . . . . you could have waited
yeah if I wanted to wait for several days
you chose not to
you would have been miserable . . . .

engaged in same sort of dishonesty . . .
yes . . .I take that bad it wasn't dishonest to talk to Bianca . . . but I agree emails with bobby was dishonest

fact went to see Bianca - isn't it true MM didn't kow you had gone to her behind his back
to me that implies sneaking around -
it was not dishonest because you were not sneaking around
yes I wasn't dishonest

Look @ his communication items. .. . Aug 2007 you were stil living in Palm Desert at some point you able to look @his computer @his house in Mesa .. .
yes - his myspace emails
even though you didn't have permission to look @ thm
it was a trade off - he was looking @ mine . ... I guess I didn't have permission

saw emails from at least 2 emails . . . one of them involved New Years
didn't make you happy
didn't thrill me
happened before you and he were actually dating . . . should not bother you
that wasn't the part that bothered me - he lied what it was about . . . he called me pre-emptively
had a conversation with him before you looked @ myspace emails
he talked to me before but he lied to me about the messages
yu were checking up on him
yes I was
tosee if he was cheating
no not in December we were not dating - wanted to see if he was accurate

wanted to see things with other women
this thing
the other email you were particularly offended by . . . the other woman was married
don't want to destroy another persons marriage
Shannon Peterson Crabtree (??)
They were joking about sexual relationship .. .
he was talking about his wet dream . . . .

you believe it . . .that is why you said it . . . you believe they were joking
if what he told me could be believed they were joking
I would like to believe (they were joking)
that is the 3rd time you asked me - answer is yes

by LDS standards not to have conversations of that nature with someone elses spouse . .

you are familiar with code of conduct
I am now
you were familiar enough to pass judgement back then
yes
knowledge you have gained as part of learning about the Mormon church

you did learn it
yes
knew joking about these things not favored by LDs
that is right

sexual intercourse . . . at that point you didn't know it know it was or not acceptable in LDS church
not saying that
did you know in feb 2007 - oral intercourse was against the Mormon faith
at that time I didn't know

you are saying that just kidding between 2 people not married is not ok with LDS
if one is married in the temple

but oral sex is ok
that is what I thought

don't they have brochures
I think so

laid on top of Ryan Burns you laid on top of him asleep - you knew then
I learned about a year later
you never talked to anybody
I talked to Rachel
she's the know all in the Mormon church
you couldtalk to the Bishop
I could but would not be comfortable

you called him about TA's killing
yes
did you have a desire on your own what Mormon church allows in terms of sexual conduct
I did - I went to Rachel - August 2007 after TA and I went all the way and we were both awake . . . November 2006 until Aug 2007 you were sexually involved with TA? yes . . . did yu go to a Bishop - no definitely not a Bishop . . . there is a pamphlet free and it lays out the guidelines what is acceptable sexual contact and what is not . . . doesn't include anyting about joking about

no intercourse
it says no sexual contact

it talks about music, videos, movies should be looked @
yes
whole time 11/06 - 8/07 you didn't have any time to review and know any of that
if I knew it existed I would have known the opportunity . . .

you were conflicted when saw TA joking with someone who was married - although you believe they had not had any sexual contact
at that point I believed they had not

have no problem engaging in that conduct but you are judging someone for just joking about it?
never sought counseling from a Mormon male or Female about sexual conduct
I did but not during that time period
didn't ask anyone about how to proceed - you enjoyed it
I did but that is not why I didn't seek counsel

you said you wanted to be with him sexually
yes
he described you as kryptonite
worried about he would treat me as a wife .. wanted to give him opportunity to explain
decided to continue in this sexual relationship

Lunch Time!
 
  • #707
February 26, 2013

Defence CIC

Cross examination of Jodi Arias by Juan Martinez, day 3
Morning testimony

--When JA was 17 years old she moved in with Bobby Juarez. He lived with his grandparents.
--JA had a feeling something was wrong with her relationship with Bobby. JA says that Bobby would flirt and he used to talk on the phone a lot with a woman and their conversations were long and
--JA doesn't remember the subject matter, says it was the tone.
--JA had a car and she drove Bobby around all the time.
--One day she was driving him and she was on her way to work. They went to the library to go onto a computer. Both JA and Bobby were on the same computer at the same time together. There was no code for the websites they were visiting. JM asks if anybody could go to the library and get into a hotmail account without a password. Did not need a password to get on to the computer but needed a password for a Hotmail account.
--After looking at the computer they left and JA then dropped Bobby off at a friend's house and she was supposed to go to work.
--JM asks JA if she remembers testimony from direct examination where she did not talk about anything about that day between the time she dropped Bobby off and her going to work. JM asks if she has a memory problem. JA says she doesn't.
--On the way to work JA dropped off Bobby and after that she went back to the computer and hit backspace and was able to access Bobby's hotmail account even though it is password protected. JA says only if you don't log out. Bobby did not log out of the hotmail account. JM asks JA if she thought to tell him to log out.
--JA says she was not sitting next to Bobby when he was looking at his Hotmail account. Says she went to her own computer.
--JA was suspicious about what Bobby was looking at in his Hotmail.
--JM says "in a sense you were snooping in somebody elses mail. JA says that she wouldn't put it that way. JM asks her how she would put it. JM asks if she told Bobby she was going to look at his account. JA says no.
--JA looked in the Hotmail account without Bobby's permission.
--JM asks how much time passed between leaving the library and coming back. (This was in Yreka). JA says she doesn't know how long it was. It was only a matter of minutes because she had to be at work right then.
--JA notified her work that she wasn't coming in that night. She didn't tell work that she wasn't going until after the computer incident. JA says she was upset.
--JA goes to the computer and started reading emails. Printed out some of the letters that she felt was inappropriate. Letters were not sexual. JA says they were beyond friendly. Bobby and this woman had never met before.
--JA decides that Bobby is cheating on her and the emails validated what she had been feeling.
--JM says that JA decided right then and there to do something about it.
--JA was working at the Purple Plum.
--JA printed the letters and then confronted Bobby with them.
--JM says "you are very direct when you feel you have been ???"
--JM says "you didn't waste any time going to Bobby with the letters".
--JM says "you let him know you had a problem with these letters".
--JA says she gave Bobby the letters and started to cry.
--After JA gave Bobby the letters he began to read them.
--JA says that she went and got all her stuff as she decided to move out.
--JM says "You didn't waste any time at that tender age". (17-18 years old).
--JA decided to stay with Bobby after they talked about it.
--JM asks JA where she spent after packing up all her stuff from Bobby's place. JA went to her grandmother's house. After a few days she got back with Bobby.
--JA and Bobby talked and they got back together.
--JM asks JA about MM and says "you sort of did the same thing with him didn't you?"
--JA now talking about the MM cheating story. How she heard the information about MM cheating and JM says "and you immediately left work". "you left because you were going to deal with this issue with Bianca".
--JM asks JA if she has problems understanding and JA says "sometimes, because you go in circles".
--JM asking her again about how she drove 1.5 hours to go and speak with Bianca. JA says she left work, stopped at home to change and then went to speak with Bianca.
--JM says "that's your personality, when you feel something is not right you confront that person".
--JM now asking about the August 2007 incident where she went to confront Travis. JM says "you felt like you were being courted". JA says "I was being courted".
--JA says "I wasn't allowed to be confrontational with Travis". JM is asking how could TA have that control over her.
--JM now asking about when she was planning on moving to Yreka....JM says she didn't waste any time.
--JM asking her how she immediately got out of the relationship with DB. JA says: "immediately, as in it was four days later.". JM reminds her that when she decides something she acts immediately on it.
--Jodi's mother assisted JA with moving, mother came out on Sunday March 30, 2008. JA says that Sunday doesn't sound right. Mother came out and was acting in a way that you didn't like....mother was making stupid excuses...and was also being negative and because of that you made sure she went back didn't you?
--JM says that in your personal life that you act very quickly and JA says in those examples.
--another example....how she acted with Ryan Burns. Talked on the phone, then texted, then made plans to meet him, then decided to meet him and drive out to West Jordan, and on the first date....very quickly have sexual contact with him. JA says that there was no sexual contact...says that she was on top of him sleeping.
--re: Travis, broke up with him in June 2007, JM says she was able to do that. JM says that she broke up with him because of trust issues.
--JM asking about Bobby Juarez again. JM asks JA if she had anal inercourse with Bobby and she says on two occasions. JM asks her about Richard Samuels who is assisting in her defence. JA told Richard that the only person she had anal intercourse with is Travis. JM and JA are now in a war of words about what she told Richard Samuels. JM complains to the judge that JA is not responding. JM rephrases the question about anal intercourse with Bobby.
--JM is now asking about the sex tape and the issue of baby oil and KY. JM says that the reason she was able to say KY was better than baby oil is because she used it with Bobby. JA says she doesn't remember what kind of lubricant they used.
--Exhibit 479, 48 hours video, interviewer asking if she was happy in her relationship with Travis. JA says that she was very happy and he taught her a lot (paraphrased). Nurmi objects and asks to approach the bench.
--JM asks JA about her indicating that TA was an "amazing person". JM says he was somebody you loved...JA says yes.
--JM says that the reason JA broke up with TA is because she thought he was unfaithful. JA says that she knew he was unfaithful. JM says that one of the reasons she thought he was unfaithful is that she looked at TA's phone after he fell asleep. JA went and read some text messages and JA says that the subject matter was bothering you (paraphrased). Subject matter was body parts interacting with other body parts and meeting up at hotel rooms. JM asks if she was offended and JA says she was "very offended". JA then says she was "hurt".
--JA says that JM is making her brain scramble. JA says it is the way he is posing the questions.
--JA says she is more focused on JM's posture and anger.
--JM asks her if it is true that she is having problems on the witness stand because of the way the prosecutor is asking the questions. So the truth depends on the style. Nurmi objects.
--JM asks her if she is asking the truth but is having problems telling us the truth now because of the way the questions are being phrased. JA says she doesn't know how to answer that. Nurmi objects....badgering. Sustained.
--JM tells Jodi that she indicated that the prosecutor's posture is a problem. JA says that she is focused on his posture and that is part of the problem.
--JM is asking JA about Flores' interview from July 15, 2008 and he was sitting down and was very quiet but she still lied to him.
--JA says that she will always tell the truth...now she says under oath.
--JM says that in that interview Flores was sitting and JM says that now she is having a problem is because the prosecutor is standing. JA says that it is her own internal problem.
--JM says "here, are you having trouble because the prosector is standing?".
--Now into a war of words about remembering the questions and answers.
--JM goes to the lecturn and asks JA if she would feel more comfortable with him standing there like her defence council did. Nurmi objects. Sidebar.
--JM asks JA if she would be more comfortable if he stood in different places. JA says that it doesn't matter where he stands.
--JA says it is not just dependant on the prosecutor.
--JM reminds her again how she lied to Flores.
--JM "so it really doesn't have to do with the person or where they are sitting".
--JA says she lied to Travis based in his posture. JM objects.
--JM says this is about your ability to answer questions in the court room. JM says what we are trying to determine is what will allow you to answer questions from the prosecutor.
--court reported re-reads the question again. JA says she doesn't understand the question.
--JM rephrases, asks her if she understands and JA says she is not getting a chance to answer the questions fully. JA says yes.
--Getting back to the break up with Travis and snooping in her telephone without his permission. JA says "not explicitly". JA says at one point she did have his permission and JM says that he is asking about that day. JM asks her if on that day did TA tell her to look at the phone. JA says, not on that day.
--JA looked at the text messages and made the decision that the relationship was over. She was so upset that she still decided to go on vacation with Travis even though she had that information. They went to New York and then went to a retreat and then to Huntington Beach. Stayed with TA, had sex with him, even though she was very upset with what she knew. She chose to go on vacation rather than break up with him.
--JM says so the way you see it, it was TA's fault she broke up with him. JM says who was to blame for the break up. JA says "we each had a part in it" and JM says that the reason they broke up was something he did. JM says that the fact that she went behind TA's back and looked at the telephone had nothing to do with the break up.
--JM says it was a dishonest thing to do and JA says it was. JM says you feel bad about it but haven't you done similar things in the past....with Bobby and then with Matt.
--JA says that she didn't talk to Matt before talking to Bianca is because he wasn't available.
--JM asks JA about how on two different occasions she did engage in conduct that MM did not know about before she did it.
--JA says she wasn't sneaking around...JM says that she didn't tell them about it. JA says again that she wasn't sneaking around...it was not dishonest.
--re: looking at TA's phone.....they became an item in February 2007...she was living in Palm Desert but at some point she was able to look at TA's computer and looked at it in Mesa. She started to look at TA's MySpace emails. She looked at some of the emails and even though she didn't have permission to look at those emails. JM says again, this is this dishonest conduct on your part.
--JA sees two emails from two females. One of the emails is about the New Years Eve meeting and JM asks if that upset her. JA says "not really". This happened before JA and TA were officially dating. JM says that it shouldn't have bothered her. JM says that she looked at TA's emails and then they had a conversation about it. JA says that TA talked to her premptively.
--JM says so what she was doing was checking up on him. JA says she wanted to see if what TA told her was accurate.
--One of the emails was from a married woman, Shannon Peterson, JA says the woman was married and what they were talking about was inappropriate. JA says she doesn't want to destroy anybody's marriage.
--JA says they were joking about getting together. JM asks JA again about TA and this woman were joking. JA says that's what she would like to believe. JM says if they were joking about it, what is the problem.
--JA says that by LDS standards you aren not supposed to be having conversations of that type with somebody elses spouse.
--JM says that JA was familiar enough with the Mormon faith and knew that joking about those things was not something that was viewed favorably by the Morman Church. JM says that with respect to sexual intercourse she did not know it was not accepted. JA says that she didn't know...at that time.
--JM says so just kidding about such things is against the Mormon faith but oral intercourse is okay. JA says if it involves somebody who is married.
--JM asks JA if they have brochures they hand out where it talks about sexual conduct. Laying on top of somebody with clothes on is against Mormon teachings and JM reminds her that she laid on top of Ryan. JA says she did not know it was against the Mormon teachings.
--JA says it was a year after that she found out.
--JA says she found out from Rachel.
--JM asks JA why she didn't ask the Bishop.
--JM asks JA if she ever had a desire to find out from the Mormon Church what was allowed. JA says she did. JM asks her if she went to the Bishop and she says she went to Rachel in August 2007. JA says they went all the way, consensually and they were both awake.
--JM asks her if she read the literature or go to the Bishop...JA says that she didn't read *that* pamphlet.
--JM says that the pamphlet says that you are not to engage in oral intercourse or any intercourse or even certain types of music and what kind of movies should be looked at. November 2006-August 2007, JM asks her if she had the opportunity to review any of it. JA says she did not ask.
--JM says she was conflicted that she saw TA joking with somebody who was married. Although she believed that they didn't have any secual contact yet she had no problem engaging in all this conduct yet judging somebody for just talking.
--JM says you never sought counselling about your sexual contact with anybody in the Mormon Church. JA says it was because she didn't think it was wrong.
--JM asks her if she enjoyed it and JA says she did.
--JM says that Travis described her as his kryptonite.
--JA says she was considering a future with TA and if would treat somebody that she wondered how he would treat her as his wife (paraphrased).

LUNCH RECESS
 
  • #708
Hey fellow Arias watchers,

Martinez has had himself a tough morning. He has once again lost the thread of his argument. He has let Jodi Arias get into his head and control the questioning. He needs to avoid tangential and petty arguments over "posture" and focus on his own line of questioning. He is distracting the jurors from what is really important here.

What are your thoughts on his cross-examination this morning? I am glued to my computer, but find myself almost yelling to Martinez - "stay on target"!

- Trial Junkie

Again, I am finding the best live stream and complete coverage at http://wildabouttrial.com/videos/jodi-arias-live-stream/
They have a reporter in the courtroom live tweeting behind the scenes info., it's great. If you have any other sites you like please let me know.
 
  • #709
  • #710
  • #711
JA w/JM after lunch Tues . . . . 4/26

Exhibit E480 admitted

JA was previously talking about text messages and emails that TA had. . .

48 hrs video . . ..

was TA a flirt
um - yes he was not secretive about . . . I wasn't aware of that when met @ mgmGRAND . . . he had an agenda and I am a calm person . . . he's very outgoing, flirtatious, not a bad thing @ all

still decide to break with him
not that reason
you said it was text messages reasons for the breakup
he was sleeping w/a lot o other people
you did say it was the text messages why you broke up
yes

then went to Grand Canyon Sedona . . . with Dan and Danielle Freeman
yes
exhibit #481 - picture handed to JA . . . she looks it over front and back . . .
you in that photo, recognize other people
yes
when did you go to Sedona?
4/2007
this is the 4 of you on that trip t Sedona?
correct
phOTO Taken in Sedona . . . shows your height next to TA
he's 3" taller yes
this shows you standing next to each other
yes
Desiree freeman or mr. freeman not standing on a rock - neither is ta?
no
shows relative heights
yes

his ambiance was . . .
let me show you another exhibit . . . .

Nurmi reviews (8" from his nose)
482 admitted

(Nurmi is sporting a pink shirt, purple striped tie, beige suit)

48 hrs video clip
things are so sad that he was taken so young. . . he had so much . . . he literally brightened a room . . . laughter got louder and whole energy changed . . . . I cannot imagine for his family . . . I love my brothers and . . .
he was a great guy right?
yes
(TA's sister's looked pizzed!)

Saw him masturbating to pictures?

he did some things that were very nice
oh yes
you tell us about one thing

(TA's brother shakes his head in disgust -- IMO

#483 admitted
48 hrs video

I just personally can't see motive . . . inflict some thing like this on TA . . .he would open is fridge . . . let me fill up with groceries . . . . let me put my car in his garage . . . there was a cinnabon bag on my car . . . . I remember lamenting a little bit cinnabon closed . . . . and he gave me a $10 gift card (including a recipe and the rolls)

Take look @ the exhibit
#484
 
  • #712
Exhibit #486
48 hr mystery clip . . .
you were leaving him and then you kept visiting for sex
he was going to be coming to visit . .
was it mutual?
it was always mutual

involved very first time - it was mutual
yes it was

you felt like a used piece of toilet paper . . . you are saying it wasn't mutual - someone was taking more than you were giving
I still felt it was mutual - when I told him to stop he did - except the one time in May 2007? . . .
you indicate on the tape it was always mutual
that's right

text you receive when you were in the grove . . . at a meeting @ a restaurant
business associates and I went to restaurant in Anaheim
michelle sitting across from me, think Lenore wsa there - think friend jarod sitting to my left . ..
you had a flip top phone . . . open it to look @ it and take an extra step to take a look @ text message . . . opened it . . . did anybody see it?

I don't know if Jarod saw it . . .but I flipped it real quick
you found it offensive
not at all
it was ok
you were not offended
no I was not
you liked it
I did like it
he was showing you attention - indicating a partial relationship forming - never told him don't send me anything like that - it embarrassed me
I never said that

weren't you so happy that you took time, effort & trouble to download it
I did download all photos on my phone @ once
not something you forget
no

other things on your phone were deleted
on my phone - yes

that went onto that hard drive . . . . you could access pictures you wanted including pictures of his penis
yes
you sent topless photos of yourself
yes I did

you werenot offended by the fact that you were sending him photos to him - not a problem for you
not the type I was sending I don't think I showed my face in those photos
there were several of the
3 of them
I don't remember
 
  • #713
Nothing wrong or untoward with either of you sending pictures to each other . . . learning process - you were experimenting
with the camera phone? - - I don't know if we were experimenting but we were sexual

lets look @ May 2008 conversation you had with him
ok
 
  • #714
Cross examination of Jodi Arias by Juan Martinez, day 3

Afternoon Testimony

--re: telephone text messages and TA's MySpace messages. JA says that the messages were flirtatious and sexual.
--Exhibit 480, 48 hours video, interviewer asks was Travis a flirt with other people. JA says yes, and he was not secretive about it. By nature he is very open, very outgoing very fliratious, not that it is a bad thing at all.
--JA says that it was because he was sleeping with a bunch of people. JM asks her if she believes that he was sleeping with a bunch of people. JA says she does.
--JM asking about the trip to Sedona with the Freemans.
--Exhibit 481, photo from a trip taken to Sedona. April 2007. Photo is of Travis, Jodi, Daniel and Desiree Freeman. Jodi and Travis are relatively the same height. JA says that Travis was three inches taller than her. Nurmi objects. Sustained. Nobody is standing on a rock to make their height different.
--JM asking JA about TA's ambience in a room. Exhibit 482, 48 hours interview. JA says she is more angry and outraged that his life was taken. He was working on so many projects he will never get to complete....he brightened the room he walked in...the whole engery of the world changed. the world is darker that he is not in it. I cannot imagine what his family is going through. I cannot imagine what it would be like to get a phone call about one of my brothers.
--JM asks her if she mentioned anything to 48 hours about TA masterbating to photos of boys. JA says she didn't. JM says that TA did a lot of things for her. Wonderful things.
--Exhibit 483, 48 hours video. Ja says she cannot ever see any motive for herself to inflict this on Travis. TA opened up his home, his refridgerator...she came home from the airport once and she had parked her car in his garage and he had put a cinnabon box on her car so she could have it when she got home. He looked out a recipe for cinnabon online and printed it out for her and gave her a $10 gift card for Cinnabon.
--Exhibit 484, Text messages from JA to TA from April 18, 2008. From after she moved to Yreka doing her day to day activities and not seeing Travis on a daily basis after they had broken up...after the fog had lifted....after the time she claimed there was physical violence she wrote: I thank you for being such an amazing friend. You are a rock, a light and an inspiration. JM asks her if she was still in love with him. JA says she loved him dearly. JM getting clarification on her definition of "love".
--"I appreciate all of the ways you have gone out of your way for me". Jm says this is not in line with the person you have been talking about. JA says it is because it was very consistent. JM says you told us he was mean, was physically violent, would raise his voice....JM says that the text messages do not correspond. JM says you have given us two versions of Travis.
--JM says you have given one where he was mean and abusive, and yet the writings that we have here don't support that. Now that you are away it doesn't support what you have been telling us.
<numerous objections during this from Nurmi....arguementative>
--JM says that she does mention in any of the text messages...JA says that TA flourished on compliments.
--JA says that at times her compliments were insincere.
--JM asks JA about what she means by TA flourished on compliments. JA says that she did love him dearly and still does, he did go out of his way for her, <missed all of it>
--JM asks her if one of the ways she wanted to express her love for him was on June 4, 2008. Nurmi objects...badgering..
--After JA killed Travis there was a memorial service in Mesa. JM asks her what time and JA says she has no memory...it was daytime.
--JA approached Mimi and talked to her about Travis. JA says briefly. JM asks JA if that was the first time she found out that Mimi was going to Cancun with Travis. JA says she doesn't remember if Cancun came up.
--JA says she assumed it was Mimi and says that she actually learned it from Det. Flores.
--Memorial was on June 15, 2008. JA says she thinks she assumed that Travis was going to Cancun with Mimi and Det. Flores confirmed it. JM is asking if JA learned that TA was going to Cancun with Mimi at the memorial service.
--JA says she was pretty sure based on the conversation with Brenda.
--JM asks JA if she had discussed TA going to Cancun. TA did not ask JA to go but she knew he was going with somebody...and knew this back on June 2, 2008. JA says she assumed it was the babysitter.
--Back on May 10, 2008 TA was talking to JA about sex but he was going to Cancun with somebody else.
--JM says "and his gong to Cancun with somebody else did not upset you?" JA says "no".
--Exhibit 485, writing by JA submitted at the time of the memorial service. There was a photo album in a scrapbook. Jodi had emailed the photo to the person putting together the scrapbook and then she wrote in it but didn't sign it...didn't want to leave her name. "Travis you are beautiful on the inside and out. You always told me to never stop believing"
--JM asks JA if she had lied and JA says that she believed it. JM asks her if somebody who masterbates to photos of young boys is beautiful inside and out.
--JM says that she obtained a pamphlet, JA says two pamphlets.
--JA says that TA hated those parts of himself. It's not who he wanted to be.
--JA says she believed that he could get better.
--JM is asking her if somebody who is beautiful on the inside could have the problems JA says they had.
--JA says that TA has aspects of himself that were beautiful and some were ugly.
--JM asks JA about her and TA having an agreement about attending each other's funerals...JA says that TA said he would attend hers even if it was in Antartica.
--JA says she tried to go to his funeral but didn't make it.
--JM asks her if she believes that she would have done the same thing for her. JA says yes.
--JM asks her if she believes that TA would have gone to her funeral service if he had killed her.
--JA says that she had wanted TA to give the eulogy at her funeral because he would edify her in a good way.
--JM asks her about her direct testimony...about how she felt compelled to go to his memorial..and JA says it is because he would have gone to mine. JM asks her if the reason that she went was because her and TA had talked about it and she felt compelled to go because of that agreement.
--JM says if nobody knew about the agreement then nobody knew about it...so you made the choice to go.
--JM asks her about what she wrote...that she always believed in him. JM asks her if she always believed in him when he threw her down and choked him. JA says she believed in his potential.
--JM asks her if she still believed in TA when in August 2007 when he was kissing a girl. JA says that she still believed in him but it cheapened his efforts.
--JA says she said she never stopped believing in him...JM asks her about the issues she believes TA is not getting any help for. JA believes TA was not seeking help but was praying about it. JM asks her if he believes if TA went to a Bishop. JA says that TA went to a Bishop to talk about...
--Also wrote on the memorial photo: "This world has been blessed because you have been here". JM asks her if the things she has said that Travis did was a blessing to the world.
--JM is asking JA about her complaints that nobody knew what her affairs were. It upset you that these interactions were behind closed doors. JA asks JM what activities she is referring to. JM says that TA wouldn't hold her hand, or kiss her in public, and all of that bothered her. JA says that it did bother her. Jm says that on one hand TA is very attentive when the doors are closed but not when others are around. JM asks her if she could have put an end to that. She could have left.
--JA left Mesa in April 2008...JM says that she is free to go any time that she wanted. JA says that she was broke. JM says that she had parents and could have asked them.
--JM reminding her that JA's mother flew out to Mesa to help her move but mother left shortly after.
--JA says she didn't know her parents woudl help her until she was desperate enough to call her.
--JA says that Matt called once.
--JM asks Jodi about her calling her mother for help. Mother came down to help her.
--JM says you weren't really stuck here in Arizona were you? JA says that she doesn't know because sometimes her parents were in a financial position to help her.
--JM says that she preferred to stay with her grandparents. JA says that she couldn't stay with her parents because there were no bedrooms.
--JA says she did get a job at Casa Ramos. JM says when she had her job she had her own money and nobody took it away. JM says that she was not lending money to TA. JA says that she was giving him money for repayment.
--JA arguing about terms of "giving" money.
--The argreement about the money JA owed TA was a loose agreement and the terms were pretty easy for her to pay back.
--JM is asking her about the car that was damaged. TA attempted to help her with the issue and TA called a law firm for her.
--Travis was not upset about the car.
--in her journal JA called TA her hero about the car issue.
--JM says that there doesn't seem to be any tie other than the sexual bond. JA says there was the car. JM says that she could have paid TA off and that would have been the end of it and you wouldn't have to communicate anymore.
--JM asks her about the sexual bond. She wanted to be with him as much as he wanted to be with her.
--JM asking about when they were at the Hughes' house and JA indicated that she was uncomfortable with TA. JA says that she didn't develop an attraction that quickly. JM asks her if she ever told him that and she says "no".
--"doesn't it take one to know one". JM was asking her about the oral sex TA performed on her and how she said that TA knew what he was doing.
--JM says that she could have stopped at anytime and said she never wanted to see him.
--JA says that the deep level of her attraction had not developed to that point yet.
--JM is asking her if she was or was not sexually attracted to TA at that point.
--JM says that being sexually attracted to him the activity was enjoyable.
--JA says that internally no, but externally she wasn't able to enjoy herself. JM says that if if externally and internally she wasn't enjoying it then she could have told TA to stop. JM says that there was no way for TA to know that she did not want that activity.
--JM says all we have is your word, we don't have any video or anything that would show us that you weren't enjoying this activity.
--JM asking about the activity in the car...if you have the ability to say No then that is a choice you made to be with him the second time.
--JM: at some point, even though you felt that way, that was your responsibility to let the other party know you weren't into it as much as they were.
--JM: You could have told him no...JA: yes
--JM says she said something like she liked him and didn't want to hurt his feelings...JA says she felt that way, it would have been a blow to his ego. JM asks who cares about his ego? JA says she did.
--JM says you cared about his ego after knowing him for two weeks?
--Exhibit 486, 48 hours video, interviewer asks JA about moving away but still having a sexual relationship with her. JA says that TA would call her and talk about what he wanted to do when he visited. JA says that the sex was "always mutual".
--JM says that she stated the sex was always mutual and that when you tell us that you felt like a used piece of toilet paper that you are saying it wasn't mutual. JA says it was still mutual at that point.
--JA says when she asked TA to stop he did. Then she adds except for the one time in May when he didn't.
--JM asking about a text from November 2006, she was at a business meeting and then went to a restaurant in Anaheim. JM is asking who else was there. JA says that Michelle was sitting across from here. Jarrod was there <didn't catch the other name>.
--At the restaurant JA receved a messaged on her flip phone and she was unaware what was in the text. She opened it. JM asks her if anybody else saw it. JA isn't sure if Jarrod saw it. JM says and you said you were offended. JA says she was not offended.
--JA says she did like it.
--JM says she never told him "don't ever send me anything like that".
--JM says that in fact, happy with that activity, that she took the time, the effort and the time to download it. JA says that she took the time to download all the photos on her phone at once.
--JM says there were other times where there were other photos that were deleted.
--JM says that the photos went onto the hard drive that was damaged and she could enjoy that photo at any time.
--JM asks her about topless photos she sent to TA.
--JM says that she was not offended by sending photos. JA says that she believes there were several photos of that nature.
--JM says there were three of them, JA says she doesn't remember.
--The photos were sent to TA's phone and she sent the photos using her phone. The photos were downloaded to his computer.
--JM saying that she didn't have a problem sending photos back and forth.
--JM says that they were experimenting. JA says that she doesn't know what he means by experimenting.
--JM now wants to talk about the May 10, 2008 sex tape.
--Exhibits 425, 426, 427 Darryl took pre-surgery photos. Nurmi objects, relevance. Sidebar.
 
  • #715
JA has before shots before she had her surgery
exhibit admitted


audio clip about KY . . . "it's great stuff" . . .

it made activities more enjoyable . . . you introduced TA to KY . . . previous experience with Bobby with baby oil
probably . . . I don't remember but I definitely did with Matt
when we hear things like well I felt like a prostitute - that is at odds with what we are hearing about the KY
you are talking about 2 different incidents

your participation was equal to his
yes
if you felt like a prostitute but he hear this partial clip of the sexual conversation it looks like you are moving it along
is that at question
yes
I would say it is mutual
no reason to feel like a prostitute
didn't feel like one during - just afterwards

you felt like a prossy on 2 occasions
I believe after referencing arronburg
and felt like that baptism
no I think I felt like a used piece of toilet paper
how about when he came over and you engage in oral sex on the porch and chocolate being tossed your way . . . felt like a prossy . . . after you and he broke up . . after alreadystarted using the ky
yes

if you are moving the relationship ahead . . .how do you feel like a prossy
your question doesn't make sense
you provided ky to facilitate activities - you also tell us you felt like a prossy

when we mutual have sexual - it's mutual
didn't want it on your face
if I didn't want it - I wouldn't have done it

lets look @ exhibit . . .
 
  • #716
talks about same sex act . . . oral sex . . ejaculating on my face . . . yes

exhibit #489
Jan 18, 2008 . . . 7 hrs too fast . . .incoming message . . . you are sending this text . . .
reason I want to do this I want to give you a nice bj and I want a facial in return (oral sex & ejaculate) . . . one of the things you allege made you feel like a prossy . . . he came over to your house on the porch . . . one occasion he just did it and the other occasion he left candy . . .
this is another night . . . I am not asking him to do those things . . .I went over to his house and we were sitting on his bed
but it is the same act
yes but I didn' want him walk away when he was done
one of them he left you feeling like a prosttute ..
if you are talking about 🤬🤬🤬 on your face it's the same thing . . .

same act that happened on front porch happenend in this
yes
and he says . . . or we could just grind
I think I say that
he says that's a good close

grinding is a good term in the Mormon community but we did it without our clothes
rub genetalia together?
yes
was ky involved in this grinding?
yes
it does involve sexual acts
yes

Afternoon recess

(thank you!!!!!!) hands are cramping!!!!!
 
  • #717
Estrella Jail does not provide "lunch" for the inmates, they get two meals a day.
Brunch sack or what the inmates like to call a ladmo bag.
She is supposed to be bringing her brunch sack with her to court if she wants to eat.

Here is a video of Nancy Grace in the kitchen area of Estrella Jail. (16:09)
http://youtu.be/E9_Qdm7-Oqg?t=16m9s


**note... court was recessed earlier due to Arias saying she did not eat lunch (see above ^) and she had a migraine
 
  • #718
  • #719
*JM:* Ma’am when you were 17 years old, you moved out of your parents’ house and you moved into Bobby Juarez, correct?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And you and he were living at his grandmother’s house, correct?
JA:* Um, I believe they were his grandparents, but he called them his parents
JM:* And this was in Montague, correct?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And the address actually was 611 N. 9th street in Montague, California, in Montague, correct?
JA:* I don’t remember the house number, but ninth street is correct
JM:* And part of what happened when you were living with him was that you and he became much closer, right?
JA:* Um we just continued our relationship
JM:* Yeah, but it got to a point though that you felt something, right, that something was wrong.
JA:* Umm, yes, oh yeah that’s right
JM:* and you felt that something was wrong and so it was something that was inside you and so that for a period of time you kept it inside you but there was a feeling that something was wrong involving Mr. Juarez, right?
JA:* It was more than a feeling, but
JM:* When you say it was more than a feeling, what are you talking about, did you see something else, or what?
JA:* I saw and heard, yes
JM:* And you saw, before you did anything, what did you see?
JA:* Um, he used to talk on the phone a lot with a woman that he was friends with prior to our relationship that he had been interested, said he was no longer interested, but their conversations were long, kind of a little over the line for what I feel is appropriate for a boyfriend of mine.
JM:* So, you had this sense that something was wrong, he was talking on the telephone to somebody that he previously knew before, correct?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And this individual was in New Orleans, Louisiana then, correct
JA:* Yes
JM:* And because the conversations took a long time,that was something that sort of gave a rise to you, to feel that something was wrong additionally, right?
JA:* That and he had a prior interest in her
JM:* Ok, so he had a prior interest in her and he was on the telephone and you believed also that the subject matter that he was addressing on the telephone was something that was also inappropriate, right?
JA:* Somewhat, yes
JM:* When you say somewhat it means it wasn’t, so what are you talking about, what is the subject matter, don’t tell me what he said, what subject matter did they discuss that you thought was inappropriate?
JA: Um, it was more, I don't remember the specific subject matter, it was the tone, and the way he spoke to her, that kind of thing
JM: Okay so now it wasn't subject matter, it was just the tone that you are talking about, right
JA: No, it was subjectmatter, I just don't remember the specific subject matter
JM: And as a result of that one of the things that happened is that you had a car, right
JA: Yes
JM : And you were driving around occasionally
JA: All the time
JM: so you were driving around then, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And at some point one day you were going to go to work, right
JA: Yes
JM: And when you were going to work, one of the things that happened was you stopped at the library, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And you stopped at the library so that he could go onto a computer there at the library and log on and look at whatever he was going to look at
JA: Both of us, yes
JM: Well, did you get on that same computer with him?
JA: Yes
JM: So at the same time that you're on there, you go onto that computer and you're looking at what's going on, right?
JA: Yes for one period of time
JM: When you say long period of time how long were you on there that's a long period of time when you're at the library?
JA: I didn't say long, I said one
JM: So one period of time, is that what you say?
JA: Yes
JM: Are you saying it was just one time
JA: That day, yes
JM: So that day, as I understand what you're saying is, you go to the library with him and he gets on the computer and you're looking at this computer too?
JA: we get on the computer together
JM: Okay, both of you get on the computer, did you use a code, a password, how is it that it work?
JA: Um, there was not code necessary for the websites we were visiting at the moment.
JM: Anbody can get on the computers there at the library and get into someone's, for example, hotmail account?
JA: I think there would be a password necessary for hotmail, but Id on't know you could get on the computer for something without a password necessary or a login in Yreka in 1997, at that time, yes,or that was '98, excuse me.
JM: So you in order to login, what you're saying is you did or you didn't need a password to get onto the computer
JA: Um, did not need a password to get onto the computer
JM: But you did need a password to get onto, for example, hotmail, a specific hotmail account, right?JA: that's right
JM: or a gmail account if that was around?
JA: Um, yes, I would think, I don't know about gmail.
JM: but it was hotmail back then, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And both of you went onto this computer and he looked at whatever he was looking at and you looked at whatever you were gonna look at and you dropped him off at a friend's house, I think is what you said, right
JA: Well there was one thing that happened in between that
JM: Pardon
JA: There was one thing that happened in between that
JM: I understand that you want to tell me about that, but you did drop him off at some point, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And after you dropped him off, you were supposed to go to work, weren't you?
JA: Umm, yes
JM: That's what you told us on direct examination, right?
JA: That' right
JM: And after you went to work, you didn't tell us about anything that was in between there on direct examination, did you?
JA: Um, I don't know
JM: Do you have a problem with your memory, I mean this was approximately no more than two weeks away
JA: I don't think I had a problem
JM: But you don't remember things that happened two weeks, within two weeks, do you?
JA: Sometimes yes, sometimes no
JM: And in this case, you don't, right?
JA: Um, I don't remember if I gave you the details
JM: So the answer is either yes or no, do you remember
JA: Remember what?
JM: What are we talking about?
JA: We're talking about the incident
JM: Right, and what specifically of the incident are we talking about?
JA: I'm not sure
JM: So you're having trouble focusing on what's being asked of you today? Having memory problems?
JA: Yes
JM: So, when I asked you about what was going on with Mr. Juarez, you had no problem understanding about Mr. Juarez, right
JA: That's right
JM: And you had no problem understanding that we're talking about the time you and he went to thelibrary so that you could get onto the computer and look at the computer, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And during that time after you looked at the computer, you were going to go to work, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And on the way to work, you dropped of Mr. Juarez wherever it was you dropped him off, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And after you dropped him off, you, because of whatever reason decided to go back to that computer, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And what you're telling us, is that when you went to that computer, you hit backspace, right?
JA: Yes
JM: That's what you told us on direct examination, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And when you hit backspace you were able to access Bobby's hotmail account, right
JA: Yes
JM: Even though that's password protected, right?
JA: Only if you log out
JM: So if you don't log out you can get right back on, right
JA: as long as your not logged out, yes
JM: And so in this particular case, the security at the library is such that if they didn't log out anybody could have come in and looked at what's going on, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And in this case, that's what you're telling us happened, right?
JA: Yes, he did not log out
JM: And you didn't think of telling him to log out either, right?
JA: By that point I was on another computer
JM: Yes or no, yes or no
JA: No
JM: And with regard to the portion of the hotmail you were obviously looking at the hotmail account, the two of you together, right
JA: No
JM: Well if you need a password to get into the hotmail account and you say both of you were looking at this account
JA: I didn't say that
JM: Well didn't you tell us that you and he went onto this computer together?
JA: That's right
JM: And that you were there when he was looking at this computer, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you're also telling us that you need a password to look at the hotmail account, right
JA: That's right
JM: So while you're sitting there and while he puts the password in for the hotmail account, he accesses or looks at his hotmail account in front of you, right?
JA: No
JM: Well I thought you were sitting next to him
JA:* I was at one point
JM:* And now you’re not sitting next to him when he's looking at his hotmail account, right
JA: No, I went to my own computer to login to my email
JM:* So the answer is no you weren’t sitting next to him to look at his Hotmail account, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you went over to another computer to look at at this point, right?
JA: Yes
JM:* How long were the both of you there at the library?
JA: I don't remember, but it wasn't too long
JM: And after that is when you dropped him off somewhere, right?
JA: Yes, at his friend's house
JM: And that's when you had this idea to go back and look at his computer, right?
JA: That's right
JM:* And, did you think of asking him what he was doing?
JA: I did ask him
JM:* And you weren’t satisfied with his responses, were you?
JA: that's right
JM: You were suspicious, right
JA: Very
JM: And so you were, at that point very direct about, or focused about what you were going to do, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You were going to go back to that library to see what was in that computer, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Even though that was not your account?
JA: Yes
JM:* You, in a sense, were snooping in someone’s mail, weren't you?
JA: I guess you could put it that way
JM: No, I want to know how you would put it?
JA: That's not how I would put it
JM: Ma'am is there any other way to put it other than you were looking at things that were not yours to look at?
JA:* I would put it a different way
JM: You would put, it’s not snooping, then even though that's not your accout
JA: That's not how I would put it
JM: I know that's not how you would put it, but that's what you were doing, right?
JA: It could be looked at that way
JM: Well, I’m asking how you you would look at it, did you tell Bobby, hey, I'm going back to look in your account, you didn't do that, right
JA: No
JM: You didn’t say to him and then when I go back to look at this account I'm gonna look to see if there are any letters between you and this woman, right
JA: No
JM: And in fact you didn't tell him if I find something, I’m going to print those letters out, right?
JA: I didn't know him that
JM: Well, you didn't tell him that you, any of that before you went there, right
JA: No, I did not
JM: And you did all of this without his permission, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And so you go back and you tell us that you hit the backspace button and your there into his hotmail account, right?
JA: That's right
JM: So how much time passed between the time he was on there and you came back?
JA: Well it's Yreka, so not much time, he wasn't far
JM: Give me a time, it may be doesn’t matter where you are, I just want to know how much time
JA: Between what and what again?
JM: What are we talking about, Ma'am?
JA: We're talking about the incident
JM: Right, a nd we’re talking about where you took him, right
JA: Yes
JM: And we're talking about you coming back, right?
JA: Okay
JM: And we’re also talking about the time he logged in initially, right?
JA: Okay
JM: And we're talking about how much time elapsed between the time he logged in and the time you came back and hit that backspace button.
JA: I don't know
JM: Could it have been an hour?
JA: No, it was not an hour, I almost had to be at work, like, right then
JM: What's that?
JA: I had to be at work almost right then, so it was only a matter of minutes
JM: So you decided to, so it's only a matter of minutes, your saying it's about five minutes then?
KN: Objection, mischaracterizes her testimony
Judge: restate your question.
JM: How many minutes?
JA: I don’t know, I wasn’t timing it.
JM: Did you, after that, Did you go to work and say hey, I'm not gonna come and do work or did you go back to the library
JA: At what point
JM: At the point that you decide to go back to the library
JA: I went to the library first before going to work
JM: I'm not asking you that, did you notify work, ma'am, that you were going to be late?
KN: Objection, relevance
Judge: Overruled
JA: I notified them afterward I did, I didn't notify them that I'd be late, I notified them that I wasn't coming in that day.
JM: In other words you didn’t even have the courtesy to tell them that you weren't going to come in until after this computer issue was
KN: Objection argumentative, relevance
JM: presented
Judge: Sustained
JM: So you didn't tell them that you weren't going to work until after the this computer issue, right?
KN: Objection, argumentative and relevance. He restated the same question.
Judge: Overruled
JA: After the computer, is that what you asked?
JM: Yes
JA: Yes, I was too upset
JM: And how long, did I ask ou if you were upset?
JA: mm mmm,
JM: Is that no?
JA: no
JM: So did you then go to the computer and you started looking at it, right, you hit the backspace button, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Did it take you directly to his correspondence?
JA: Yes
JM: And you started reading things, right
JA: Yes
JM: What was the name of this woman?
JA: I don't remember
JM: And you did print out some of the letters, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you believed they were inappropriate, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And they were inappropriate, they weren't of a sexual nature, were they
JA: Umm, no
JM: They were just sortof friendly kind of letters, right
JA: They were beyond friendly
JM: Well, they weren't sexual, though, right
JA: No
JM: And they didn't indicate that they had met recently, or anything like that, right?
JA: They had never met before
JM: And they had never had any sort of , I don't know, physical contact the point is they hadn’t met before, correct?
JA: Not by that point
JM: They hadn’t before at the point that you are looking at these letters, right?
KN: objection argumentative
JA: Yes, not by that pont.
Judge: overruled
JM: And you then, however, decided that there was a problem, that he was cheating on you, right
JA: Yes
JM: And that sort of validated what you’d been feeling, right
JA: Yes, very much
JM: And so you decided to do something about it right then and there, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You didn’t go into work, right?
JA: Umm, I did not
JM: You did notify them them that you were not going to go into work that day, that's what you told us, right?
JA: Yes I did
JM: Where were you working?
JA: I think I was working at the Purple Plum
JM: And then you went to where Mr. Juarez was and you started to talk to him about these letter, right?
JA: First I printed them, then I went there with them
JM: You did go to talk to Mr.* Juarez, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And you had these letters and you confront him with them, with the letters, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Ma'am, in your personal life, not in your professional life, but in your personal life, you’re very direct when you feel you’ve been aggrieved aren't you?
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Overruled
JA: It depends on how comfortable I am with the person.
JM: Well, you were comfortable enough to immediately confront Bobby, right?
JA: Absolutely
JM: Because you had a relationship, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You didn't waste any time going right to him and saying, look,I have these letters and they're a problem for me, right?
JA: I didn't say that
JM: You didn’t go to him, you didn't go to him with these letters?
JA: I did but I didn't say what you said
JM: Well, so you told him you were okay with the letters, then, right?
JA: I didn’t say that either
JM: Well, you let him know that you had a problem with those letters, didn't you?
JA: I didn't say anything I handed them to him and cried and he read them
JM: So you went in there, you gave him the letters and you started to cry, right
JA: Yeah
JM: But that was after you had not gone into work, after you had sort of gone into his computer, his personal items and then immediately within minutes, cause Yreka’s really small according to you, you were there confronting him, right?
JA: I guess you could say confrontation
JM: No, I don't want you tosay, I don't want you to guess on anything. You were there showing him these letters, I don't know if you were saying a word or not, you were there, right?
JA: Define showing, I just handed them to him
JM: Okay, showing, giving someone the letters doesn’t mean showing them to you?
JA: They were folded up
JM: Giving someone the letters doesn't mean showing them to you, that person?
JA: It could
JM: It could, well you were there, if you gave him the letters your intent was to have him look at them, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So when you gave them to him, you showed him the letters, right?
JA: He reviewed them
JM: Ma'am did you show him the letters?
KN: Objection asked and answered
Judge: Sustained
JM: After you gave him the letters, he began to read them?
JA: Yes
JM: And you were standing there, right
JA: Yes
JM: And you did not waste, in other words, you immediately went to see him, there wasn’t anything intervening other than going to work and letting them know that you were not going to come into to work, right?
JA: Actually that’s not right, I did go home and get all my things and move it out
JM: So you were even more assertive you were not gonna put up with any of this you put the stuff that you had at his house and then you moved out, right?
JA: Yes
JM: That's assertive isn't it, even at the age of 17 or 18, isn't it
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: sustained
JM: you didn't waste any time at that tender age, did you
JA: No, I'd never been cheated on before
JM: Ma'am, did I ask you if you've been cheated on before?
JA: No
JM: I’m asking you whether or not at that moment you made that decision and you moved out, right?
JA: Yes
JM: you weren't gonna put up with it, right?
JA: No
JM: And then you went to talk to him about it, right?
JA: Yes
JM : And then you guys broke up about it, over it
JA: We actually didn't
JM: You stayed with him
JA: Yes
JM: Even though you felt that you had been cheated on, you decided to stay
JA: After some talking
JM: The answer is yes or not, did you decide to stay
JA: Eventually, yes
JM: Eventually means ah there was something that happened in between and you're telling us that you talked about it right?
JA: mmm hmm
JM: Is that yes
JA: That's yes
JM: Where did you go with your stuff, where did you actually spend the night that night after you took your stuff and put it in the car?
JA:* my grandmothers
JM:* And how long did you stay there?
JA:* I don’t remember, it wasn’t too long
*JM:* Was it days, was it hours?
JA:* Probably a few days
JM:* So after a few days, you decided to get back with Bobby, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And that was your decision, right?
JA:* To get back with him
JM:* Yes
JM:* That was after talking to him, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* Whatever it was that he said, and whatever thoughts you were thinking, you felt comfortable enough to go back, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* Additionally, do you remember when we talked about Matthew McCartney?
JA:* Yes
JM:* You sort of did the same thing with regard to him, didn’t you?
JA: In what way
JM:* In the way we are talking about
JA:* Be more specific
JM:* Okay, you had a feeling, you remember, after looking at a photograph?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And based on that feeling, you drove to Crater Lake, right?
JA:* No
JM:* Where did you drive to ma’am?
JA:* I drove to Crater Lake, but not based on a feeling.
JM:* Well, you saw a photograph with a little B on it, right
JA:* yes
JM:* And you believed something was going on, right?
JA:* Not at that point
JM:* Well at some point you did go to Crater lake what is it that you learned that allowed you to go to Crater Lake, right?
JA:* Um, two of his co-workers told me that he was with a girl named Bianca
JM:* You were at work, right?
KN:* Objection let her answer the questions
Judge:* give your response
JA:* A couple was, came into my work and they told me they wanted to tell me something and it was about Bianca
JM:* And so you saw the photograph, you heard this, and you immediately left work, right?
JA:* I went home early, yes
JM:* But you immediately left work isn’t that what I asked you?
JA:* No, I had to do some side work before I left
JM:* How much time elapsed between the time that you heard about this and the side work?
JA:* Probably five to10 minutes
JM:* And so then after the five to ten minutes, you left because you were going to go take care of this issue by speaking with Bianca, right?
JA:* First I drove to Ashland
JM:* Did I ask you where you went?
JA:* Yes
JM:* No, I asked you whether or not you confront, went to speak with Bianca.* Did you speak to her that day?
JA:* Yes
JM:* Did you tell us that you drove an hour and a half
JA:* I believe it was about that long
JM:* And so you weren’t going to put up with that, were you?
JA:* Put up with what?
JM:* Well, what is it that we’re talking about here
JA:* Which part put up with?
JM:* Were you gonna put up with what we just talked about, are you having problems understanding again what’s going on?
JA:* Sometimes, you go in circles
JM:* Ma’am, I’m asking you, Did you have any problem knowing that we were talking about Matthew McCartney?
JA:* No
JM:* Did you have any problem that we were discussing Bianca?
JA:* No
JM:* Did you have any problem after you told us that you were at work, right?
JA:* Did I have any problem?
JM:* Understanding that
JA:* No
JM:* Did you have any problems understanding that after five or ten minutes you left, right?
JA:* That’s right
JM:* And then after five or ten minutes, you went, drove an hour and a half to speak with Bianca, right?
JA:* No
JM:* What did you do in between?
JA:* I drove about 15 miles south to my home in Ashland changed out of my stinky work clothes, and just threw on some jeans and a t-shirt and hit the road.
JM:* Other than your stop at your house to change clothing, you did go straight to talk to Bianca, right
JA:* Yes
JM:* Because you, whenever you feel that something’s not right,* that’s your personality it appear, you are going to confront that person, right?
JA:* Not necessarily
JM:* Pardon, not necessarily, well the two occasions that we know of with the two boyfriends, isn’t that what you’ve done?
JA:* Um, yes
 
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JM:* And so, with regard to Mr. Alexander, sort of the same thing happened back in August of 2007?
JA: No, it was in June
JM: Pardon
JA: June
JM: Well do you remember talking to us about an incident in August of 2007 when you were looking inside and you saw him kissing a woman, do you remember that?
JA: okay that incident was in August
JM: Do you remember that
JA: Yes
JM: And you weren't happy with that incident, were you?
JA: No
JM: And you thought you were being courted
JA: I was being courted
JM: And you felt that you were being wronged, right?
JA: I wouldn't say wronged
JM: Well, you felt strongly enough about it to go and confront him the next day, didn't you?
JA: I don't even know if it was confrontation. It was very non-confrontational on my end.
JM: You went to see him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You went to talk to him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You went to clear things up, right
JA: Yes, exactly
JM: You just have a problem with the word confrontation, because you say you are not confrontational, right?
JA: No, it's because I wasn't allowed to be confrontational with Travis
JM: You're saying that, right now, that you're not allowed, how can he possible control how you acted?
JA: He had that control.
JM: You’re saying that he controlled you so much that when you were in his presence you had no free will, that's what you're telling us, right?
JA: That's not what I said.
JM: Well, you could have left anytime you were in his presence, couldn't you?
JA: Yes
JM: You did have the opportunity to never go there if you didn't want to, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And in fact you moved to Yreka when you wanted to?
JA: Not when I wanted to, but eventually
JM: Well, wait a minute, you said you were going to leave around March and you talked to him about leaving in March and by April you're gone, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So that’s leaving when you want, right?
JA: No, I wanted to leave much earlier.
JM: Well you could have made arrangements
JA: If I had the financial means
JM: Well, you spoke to your mom about it,didn't you?
JA: Eventually
JM: In your personal dealings, you don’t waste any time, do you?
JA: No, I’m an procrastinator.
JM: Even though these examples indicate that you acted immediately, you believe that you procrastinated, right?
JA: I didn't act immediately in August of 2007
JM: Well with regard to Mr. Juarez, you acted immediately right?
JA: Yes, I did
JM: With regard to Mr. McCartney, you acted immediately, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And with regard to Mr. Brewer, you acted immedately, too, right?
JA: Regarding what
JM: What are we talking about here, ma'am?
JA: Mr. Brewer never cheated on me to my knowledge
JM: Well, we're not asking, I'm not asking about cheating, I'm asking about getting out of relationships. You did get out of that relationship almost immediately after meeting Mr. Alexander, right?
JA: Um, no, I had already had one foot out the door on that relationship
JM: But once you knew you met Mr. Alexander you got back home and immediately that Thursday, you told Mr. Brewer that it was over, right?
JA: Immediately as in four days later
JM: Yes, immediately as in four days later, right
JA: Yes
JM: So you got home on a Sunday and by Thursday, he was on the outs
JA: No, he was in the same house
JM: No, by the outs, I mean he was no longer your boyfriend
JA: That's correct
JM: So you, when you decide something, you can do it if you want to, right?
JA: Yes
JM:* And in fact, with regard to, for example, with your mother, you feel you act the same way with her, ifthere’s something about that her that you don’t like, you act immediately on it, don’t you?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And in fact, your talking about moving, she assisted you, or attempted to assist you in moving, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* She came out in May, right
JA:* I believe it was
JM:* I’m sorry, I apologize.* She came out in March, didn’t she?
JA:* It was late March or early April
JM:* Didn’t she come out on Sunday, March 20th of 2008?
JA:* Sunday doesn’t sound right
JM:* But she came out in March, didn’t she
JA:* yes, it might have been late March or early April
JM:* And she came out and when she came out and she was acting in a way that you didn’t like the way she acted, right?
JA:* during part of it, yes
JM:* She was making stupid excuses, wasn’t she
JA:* Yes, about her flight
JM:* Right, and she was also being negative, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And because of that, you made sure that she went back, didn’t you?
JA:* No, that was her decision
JM:* So it was her decision after you indicated to her that she was making stupid excuses and that she was acting negative and you didn’t need it around you, right
JA:* Yes
JM:* So in your personal life, it appears in these examples that we’ve been talking about if you feel something, again just based on these examples, it looks like you are able to act upon them very quickly
JA:* Depends on the individual
JM:* Well, I’m saying in these examples that we’ve talked about, it appears that you act very quickly, right?
JA:* In those examples
JM:* And so there’s an indication somehow when we were talking about Mr. Burns also that you acted quickly with regard to him to right?
JA: What do you mean quickly?
JM:* Well you and he are talking on the telephone, correct at some point during the beginnings of your relationship, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And then you and he are starting to text message each other, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* You, almost, very quickly decide to make plans to meet him, right?
JA:* After a few months
JM:* Then you then decide to drive out there and you actually do go out to the West Jordan area, don’t you?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And on the very first date, first time that you’ve been alone, you very quickly are having some sort of sexual contact with him, right?
JA:* No, there was no sexual contact.
JM:* So your saying that based on your being on top of him and kissing him that is not sexual contact?
JA: I was on top of him sleeping
JM:* Pardon
JA:* When I was on top of him, we were sleeping
JM:* But you woke up and you kissed him didn’t you?
JA:* After I moved and he adjusted himself
JM:* So you’re saying he adjusted himself, you didn’t help with any of the
JA:* I assisted him, yeah
JM:* And basically that means putting your hands on his buttock area, right?
JA:* No it was his shoulders
JM:* So that additionally with regard to Mr. Alexander, you broke up with him at the end in June of 2007, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* You were able to do that also, correct?
JA:* And you did it because what of you believe are trust issues, right
JM:* Let’s take a look at what you said are trust issues.* This is exhibit 479
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JM:* I move for the admission of exhibit 479
Judge:* 479 is admitted.
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48 hours Interview: Were you happy with your relationship with Travis?Yes, I was, during the relationship I was very happy, it wasn’t always perfect.* Our relationship was by no means perfect.* Just knowing him has taught me a lot. (This plays twice)
KN:* Objection, your honor, can we approach?
Judge: You may
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JM: You do indicate that he's an amazing person, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And part of what's we’ve been told about in this particular proceeding is that you’ve been telling us about nothing but negatives, correct?
JA: that’s all I was asked about, that's correct.
JM: Well, the answer is yes, that's all you've been telling us about, but he is an individual that was somebody that you loved, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: and according to you he was an amazing person, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And with regard to this amazing person, one of the things we know is that when you broke up, you broke up because you believed he was unfaithful to you, right?
JA: I knew he was
JM: Alright, and you knew that he was being unfaithful because you did, when he was asleep you went into his telephone, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you looked at what was on his telephone, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And you really didn't have permission to do that, did you?
JA: No, I didn't, actually, I did, sorry, I did
JM: Oh, while he was asleep, you had permission to go in there?
JA: He said offered, here look at my phone, and I said no
JM: So right before he went to sleep, he said to you, here have my phone, look at it?
JA: It wasn't right before he went to sleep
JM: Ma'am, right before he went to sleep did he say to you, here, take my phone?
JA: No, not before he went to sleep
JM: So, you decided though to go and look at that phone, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and when you looked at that phone, you believed you saw some text messages that were inappropriate
JA: I did see some text messages that were inappropriate.
JM: That you believed were inappropriate, right
JA: They were inappropriate
JM: A nd in fact these text messages involved some individauls, some females, right?
JA: I assumed they were females, there were no names attached to the phone numbers.
JM: Alright so it could have been guys, is that what you're saying?
JA: Not likely, but I guess it was possible
JM: So you looked at these text messages and according to you the subject matter is what disturbed you, right?
JA: Yes
JM: He was talking about meeting people, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And in fact what you told us was that one of the persons was married right
JA: No, that was his MySpace
JM: Oh, okay so that was something that occurred back at the time that you and he first started to date, right?
JA: No, prior to that
JM: right
JA: It occurred a few months, prior
JM: So the messages, what did they say? I'm not saying specifically, but what was the subject matter?
JA: Umm, things referencing specific sexual body parts interacting with other sexual body parts and things like that and plans in the making of meeting up at hotel rooms or his house, things like that
JM: And you were very offended by that, right
JA: Yeah, offended would be accurate.
JM: And you were so offended that you still decided to go on vacation with him, right
JA: That wasn't why
JM: You were very offended, you just told us that, right?
JA: I didn't say very, but yes I was offended
JM: You were offended, right
JA: I was hurt
JM: Ma'am didn't you just say you were offended?
JA: Offended would be accurate
JM: And didn't you just said it was a good word, right?
JA: Yeah, there's many descriptors to use
JM: But you just said just now it was a good word, right
JA: Umm, yes, I think
JM: You think, you mean you don’t remember what you just said
JA: I don't know
JM: What do you mean you just said offended was a good word and when I used it, then you took issue with it. Is it a good word or is it not a good word?
JA: It depends on how you used it
JM: Well I'm saying you're the one, I asked you the question you were offended and you said offended is a good word, right? That's what you said, right
JA: I think so, yes
JM: Well, you think so means you don't know, right
JA: I don't know
JM: Well this just happened, how is it that you’re not remembering what your saying
JA: Cuz you’re making my brain scramble
JM: I'm again making your brain scramble, so in this particular case, the problem is not you, it's the question being posed by the prosecutor?
JA: no, not the questions
JM: Yes or no, yes or no
JA: I was saying no and you interrupted me
JM: So in this case you’re looking to point the finger at somebody else again, right?
JA: No, it's my fault
JM: well, you're saying it's the prosecutor that's asking you the questions and that's creating a problem for you?
JA: That's not what I said
JM: Well you said it’s the way you’re posing the questions, you just said that, right?
JA: I don't know
JM: You don’t know what you just said, ma’am
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Overruled
JA: I don't know
JM: Didn’t it just happen?
JA: Yes
JM: So how is it even if it just happened you can't even remember what you just said?
JA: I think I’m more focused on your posture and your tone and your anger so it's hard to process the question.
JM: So the answer is, it's again the prosecutor's fault because you perceive him to be angry, right?
JA: It’s not your fault
JM: Is somebody asking you whose fault it is?
JA: You did
JM: well, You seem to be pointing it at the prosecutor, right, so you believe that the reason you can’t be effective on the witness stand is because someone is asking you questions in a way you don't like
JA: I think that was a compound question
JM: Ma'am isn't it true that you are having problems on the witness stand because of the way the prosecutor is asking the questions, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And so according to you the truth with regard to this issue depends on the style that is being used, that's what the truth means, right
KN:* Objection, argumentative. Mischaracterizing her testimony and it’s continued badgering
Judge:* Sustained, rephrase
JM: You're saying you're having trouble telling us, you're telling us the truth from the witness stand, right?
JA: Absolutely
JM: You're telling us you're having problems telling us the truth because of the way the questions are being posed, right?
KN: Objection mischaracterizes her testimony
Judge: Overruled
JA: I have no problem telling the truth
JM: I’m not asking you if you have a problem telling the truth, but what you seem to be telling us now is that you have problems telling us the truth now because of the way the questions are being phrased, right?
JA: That's not right
JM: So it’s something else then, that the prosecutor is doing that’s borthering you, right?
JA: I don’t know how to answer that
JM: Well, it's something else that the prosecutor is doing that's stopping you from telling the truth, right?
JA: I don’t know how to answer that
JM: Why don't you know how to answer that, you're the one that brough it up, you're the one that pointed the finger at the prosecutor, right?
KN: Objection
Judge:* Sustained
JM: Ma’am you’re the one that complained about the way the questions were being posed to you by the prosecutor just now, didn't you?
JA: Yes
JM: And you indicated that the prosecutor's posture was aggressive
JA: I didn't say aggressive
JM: You indicated posture, though, right
JA: Yes
JM: And there was something with the prosecutor's posture that you have problems with, right?
JA: I don't know
JM: Well, no you're the one that used the word posture then, you're the one that said you have problems with the posture. So is it posture
JA: It's not the problem with your posture, it's that it creates a problem with me processing what you're saying because I'm focused more on your posture than the content of your question.
JM: So are you saying you need to take more time between questions, to answer them, is that what you're saying
JA: Umm, sometimes
JM: Well, no, is that what's going to help your memory to take more time between the questions?
JA: Sometimes
KN: Objection, asked and answered
Judge: overruled
JM: What's your answer?
JA: Sometimes
JM: Ma'am with regard to this issue of posturing, do you remember back on July 15 of 2008 when Det. Flores interviewed you, do you remember that?
JA: Yes
JM: And he was sitting down, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And his voice was very quiet, right?
JA: Um, yes
JM: And when he was asking these questions and his voice was very quiet, you still lied to him, didn't you?
JA: Yes
JM: So it isn't that it has anything to do with the volume of the question then, does it as to whether or not you'll tell the truth?
JA: I’ll always tell the truth
JM: Oh, so you'll always tell the truth so you told the truth to Det. Flores back then
JA: I mean here under oath?
JM: You said Ialways will tell the truth, right?
JA: I said I will always tell the truth
JM: Right, isn't it true you did not tell the truth to Det. Flores?
JA: That's true
*JM: And he had posture or a demeanor where he was sitting back, right?
JA:He was leaning forward
JM: He was sitting down
JA: Yes
JM: He wasn’t standing
JA: Not for most of the interview
JM: No he wasn't was he. And the reason you are having problems now, is it because the prosecutor's standing?
JA: It’s my own internal mental problem, I think.
JM: Well if it’s your own internal mental problem that means that what you are telling us are inaccurate answers.
JA: No
KN:* Objection, not telling the truth is mischaracterizing her testimony and it’s continued badgering
Judge:* Sustained as to the first objection, rephrase
JM:* Here are you having trouble because the prosecutor is standing?
JA:* having trouble what?
JM:* What are we talking about here?
JA:* You’re talking about the truth, I’m talking about memory.
JM:* Aren’t we talking about answering the questions?
JA:* You keep saying truth, I’m referring to memory
JM:* Aren’t we, though, basically talking about you answering the questions?
JA:* Both regarding answering questions
JM:* right, isn’t that what we’re talking about?
JA:* Umm, you keep mentioning truth, I’m not having a problem telling the truth.
JM:* Alrgiht, but you are having problems answering my questions, right?
JA:* I don’t have a problem answering your question if I remember the answer
JM:* But you just told us that you’re having problems answering the question because of the prosecutor’s posture; didn’t you tell us that?
JA:* That’s not the direct reason, but that’s a trigger.
JM:* Well that’s what you told us just now, right?
JA:* Something to that effect
JM:* Right, and so would you like it if I stood over here like your counsel is asking you the questions, would that make you feel more comfortable?
KN:* Objection, your honor, improper comment on counsel
Judge: Sustained,* rephrase
JM:* Would it make you feel more comfortable if I stood over here and used the lectern, ma’am
KN:* why don’t we approach before he does the same thing.
Judge:* Mr. Nurmi, are you asking to approach with an objection?*
KN:* Yes
Judge: You may approach.
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JM:* Would you be comfortable if I stood back here?
JA:* where you stand won’t make a difference to my comfort
JM:* So, what you’re saying is, that you’re hampered in your ability to answer the questions, irrespective of where the prosecutor is, correct?
JA:* At times, yes.
JM:* Well, that’s not how you phrased it initially.* You’re saying that you are having problems answering the questions because of the prosecutor’s posture, right?
JA:* In that moment, that was correct
JM:* So it changes from moment to moment then
JA:* Sometimes, yeah
JM:* So in this case it changes from moment to moment depending on what the prosecutor is doing, right?
JA:* It’s not necessarily just dependent on the prosecutor
JM:* With regard to your conversation with Det. Flores on July 16th of 2008, he was pretty much sitting down in a chair back then wasn’t he?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And yet you lied to him then, right
JA:* yes
JM:* So it really doesn’t have to do anything with the posture or where the person is sitting whether or not he's sitting in terms if whether or not you lie, right?
KN:* Objection, over and over again he’s mischaracterizing her testimony.* She said it deals with memory, not telling the truth.
Judge:* Objection overruled, you may answer the question
JA: What was the question?
JM:* Mike could you please read it to her?
Court reporter, Mike:* Question:* So it really doesn’t have anything to do with the posture or whether the prtdon is sitting in terms of whether or not you’ll lie.
JA:* Umm, well sometimes, I lied to Travis based on his posture.
JM:* Objection she’s not responding to the question
Judge: ask another question
JM:* You understand we aren’t talking about right now about your relationship with Mr. Alexander, you understand that, right?
JA:* I understand we got very off track, yes
JM: Pardon
JA: I understand we got very off track the subject of my relationship with
JM: I'm asking you whether or not you undertsand that this line of questioning is not about your relationship with Mr. Alexander, do you understand that?
JA: I answered yes
JM: And this is about your ability to answer questions in the court room, right?
JA: Yes
JM: What we’re trying to determine, is what is it will allow you to answer the questions from the witness stand from the prosecutor
JA: Umm, I thought you said whether or not it's the truth it's not about, which part are you talking about?
JM: Ma’am, Mike will you please reread the question again.
Mike: What we're trying to determing also what it is that will allow you to answer questions from the witness stand from the prosecutor
JA: I don’t understand that question
KN: objection the questions not
Judge: restate the question
JM: Ma'am, you understand that we want your answers, whatever they may be, you understand that, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you understand that we need as complete answers as possible, you understand that, right?
JA: No, that's not the impression I'm getting from you
JM: So the question is, so to you, unless you’re allowed to ramble on, then you’re being restricted, right
JA: No that’s not correct
JM: Well, in this particular case, you’re saying the prosecutor is cutting you off, right?
JA: In this particular case as in this cross-examination, yes
JM: And you’re saying that you aren’t getting a change to answer the questions fully, right?
JA: That's right
 
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