***GRAPHIC*** The Missing Head

[Haunted82]

I agree with others who find the location of the head a bit disjointed from the rest of LM's crime (no pun intended). Maybe the LE are being evasive about the "tip" because they got it from the computer and don't want to let LM know just how much and what kind of info they are getting off his computer at this time. No matter how much incriminating info they have, a confession from LM would be best case scenario in presecuting him. I suppose it could be included in an email or text he sent. That would be a confession IMO. No one but LM would know where the head was put. On the other hand, if LE found searches on LM's computer about the park or how to get there through the public transit system, that could have tipped them off to go and look with the most obvious place to start being the pond.

That's a very realistic possiblity. Remember, they subpoena the internet records so they can scan through everywhere he was online (at least from his home connection and his devices) , so that could easily show if there was research being done for that park.

 

[matou]

That park seems pretty large. I think LE found the head due to a specific tip, so specific that LE didn't need to search very long to find it. JMO.

 

[Sillybilly]

That park seems pretty large. I think LE found the head due to a specific tip, so specific that LE didn't need to search very long to find it. JMO.

I agree matou ... IMO, a tip is a tip (heh, another profundity from sb ). Seriously though, had LE simply found info on his computer, it would more than likely be worded along the lines of "as a result of ongoing investigation ....".

 

[Sunday]

It's possible that a communication between Luka and someone else was intercepted by jail officials. However, I'd like to think that both Luka and anyone else would be smart enough not to include anything incriminating in jail correspondences.

It is likely that the crazy fan girl agreed to manipulate Luka into sharing information as part of a deal with LE to avoid prosecution for her role in communications while he was on the run. That's IF she is credible in the first place.

 

[Sillybilly]

Remember this pic that elepher posted and we were trying to figure out where it was in Vancouver?

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I don't know a date or elepher's source for the pic, but LRM's comment was "Luka's favourite resort in Vancouver". When i first saw the pic, my thought was "that looks more like Ontario or Quebec". Mind you, the body of water looks too big to be in Angrignon Park, but can't help but wonder if it was a hint (more along the lines of a taunt).

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey WSrs ... Tricia's post about the Sandusky and Fr. Michael Kelly victims had the misfortune of landing on this forum about the same time this news broke yesterday. Although it's not related to this case, please read her post and acknowledge it, even if you can' find the right words at the moment.

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[Baudi Moovan]

Starting at about 1:45m in (Please note that I typed this up while listening and there might be one or two words mistyped or out of place!)

‎"The Police tell us it was *not* a passerby that made the discovery, rather it was throughout the Magnotta investigation, they were doing thier work. They received a piece of information that led them to a very specific spot and based on what we could see and hear yesterday afternoon it seems like the police arrived on site, knew exactly where to look, found it, and by 9:20pm they were ready to leave"

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/montreal-police-continue-probe-of-possible-remains-1.862166

 

[pannekoek]

Hmz, received? So someone send/gave/told them? You dont 'recieve' something by reviewing evidence? Them also saying it was though them doing their job sort of implies that the found a person that then gave them the information.

They are being very cryptical for someone whose first language isnt english. Im confused... can someone clarify, please?

 

[Mozzmo]

Maybe the received something from the specialists working on reviewing the information stored on LM's computer/cell phone. The part I found puzzling is knowing exactly where to go in the park....

 

[Mozzmo]

Knowing how fascinated LM was with the Moor murders...perhaps he had some sort of photo that marked the spot where the head could be found...even if taken without the head in sight. So like the Moor murders it could look like a benign landscape photo or posing benignly in the landscape, yet it was really a reminder of where a trophy was kept. Additionally, if it were photo images that led to finding the head, depending on the devise used it may have date/time stamps on it that fit the timeline of the crime and the dispensing of the parts. The Moor murders took place within rolling grassy hills and a riverbed area. The park would be the closest and most convenient wilderness for LM to mimic this if that was his plan.

 

[pannekoek]

Was the statement by police made in french or english?

 

[pannekoek]

That Mozzmo is excellent thinking!

 

[Shimmers]

I just heared this news this morning, before leaving for work. It's justs gets weirder and weirder.

How can a head be in/near a pond can be unnoticed for 4 weeks? Aren't there park cleaners or some sort? The smell of decomb get through bonemarrow. Even if it was dumped in the water, hidden in a bag, it would still float to the surface due to the decomb gasses after some time. Mostly human remains found in the water ( who have been there for 2-3 weeks ) are inflated like no other. If this was the case, then it could be why they cannot say it is a human head that was found for the fully 100%.
( sorry about being so graphic but someone i knew, worked for a funeral company and also picked up bodies from crime scenes and bodies found in the water )

Going to the excact location of the park is inside information, or perp knowledge ( as we say it here ). If this info comes from a third person, or info regarding a third person ( hmmm lets say an email or a text message ), then omg what kind of cesspool are we gonna get???

Still, there is another option which would be, ofcourse, the most likey one to believe.... it was Manny *dun dun*

 

[Tucarra]

ok this article (sorry again in french) so I'll paraphrase in English. It says it was information received that lead officers to this location. So it wasn't a physical find by someone walking the area which makes sense because it's so isolated. Someone may have called in a tip, imo.



http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/faitsdivers/archives/2012/07/20120701-191715.html

 

[matou]

I just heared this news this morning, before leaving for work. It's justs gets weirder and weirder.

How can a head be in/near a pond can be unnoticed for 4 weeks? Aren't there park cleaners or some sort? The smell of decomb get through bonemarrow. Even if it was dumped in the water, hidden in a bag, it would still float to the surface due to the decomb gasses after some time. Mostly human remains found in the water ( who have been there for 2-3 weeks ) are inflated like no other. If this was the case, then it could be why they cannot say it is a human head that was found for the fully 100%.
( sorry about being so graphic but someone i knew, worked for a funeral company and also picked up bodies from crime scenes and bodies found in the water )

Going to the excact location of the park is inside information, or perp knowledge ( as we say it here ). If this info comes from a third person, or info regarding a third person ( hmmm lets say an email or a text message ), then omg what kind of cesspool are we gonna get???

Still, there is another option which would be, ofcourse, the most likey one to believe.... it was Manny *dun dun*

I agree. An animal would have moved the head around if it was just there exposed for weeks. The stink in the heat would have been noticeable.

 

[Tucarra]

This is the only video I have seen that is directly from a police spokesperson, Const. Annie Lemieux. Her statement is in French. I am a native Montrealer, and although anglophone, I am bilingual. I would be hard-pressed to interpret her reference to "une information recu" (sorry French keyboard not set up atm) any other way than an actual tip was received. "Recu" = received, as opposed to "decouvert = discovered", "trouve" = "found", "a sorti" = "emerged" , etc....

Perhaps a bilingual francophone could offer a perspective...?

Or just wait for statement from Ian Lafraniere...

 

[matou]

TVA Nouvelles a appris que c'est bel et bien une tête humaine qui a été retrouvée, hier, dans le parc Angrignon, à Montréal. Il faudra toutefois attendre encore quelques jours pour savoir s'il s'agit de celle de Jun Lin, victime présumée de Luka Rocco Magnotta.

This is saying that TVA news has learned that it is in fact a human head that was found in the park. It will take some time to determine whether the head belongs to Lin Jun.

http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/faitsdivers/archives/2012/07/20120702-134247.html

 

[Channy]

Tucarra, you're right. She said that a tip was received and she even mentioned that the information was NOT given by someone who found the head.

 

[Cappuccino]

This is the only video I have seen that is directly from a police spokesperson, Const. Annie Lemieux. Her statement is in French. I am a native Montrealer, and although anglophone, I am bilingual. I would be hard-pressed to interpret her reference to "une information recu" (sorry French keyboard not set up atm) any other way than an actual tip was received. "Recu" = received, as opposed to "decouvert = discovered", "trouve" = "found", "a sorti" = "emerged" , etc....

Perhaps a bilingual francophone could offer a perspective...?

Or just wait for statement from Ian Lafraniere...

I'm another bilingual anglophone who interpreted the statement the same as yourself.

Maybe he blabbed to someone inside prison? Magnotta doesn't seem a very discreet type.

 

[Mbshafeena]

This is the only video I have seen that is directly from a police spokesperson, Const. Annie Lemieux. Her statement is in French. I am a native Montrealer, and although anglophone, I am bilingual. I would be hard-pressed to interpret her reference to "une information recu" (sorry French keyboard not set up atm) any other way than an actual tip was received. "Recu" = received, as opposed to "decouvert = discovered", "trouve" = "found", "a sorti" = "emerged" , etc....

Perhaps a bilingual francophone could offer a perspective...?

Or just wait for statement from Ian Lafraniere...

I am French, my first language, and it could mean that in the notes received in the boxes with the other body parts was something written that the police finally deciphered to be this specific location. I am not convinced that another individual knew where it was from the get go. Why would they wait all this time?