***GRAPHIC*** The Missing Head

[Channy]

I just heard on TV that LE confirmed that the remain found is actually a human head. They are performing tests to determine if it's JL's head.

 

[~n/t~]

This is the only video I have seen that is directly from a police spokesperson, Const. Annie Lemieux. Her statement is in French. I am a native Montrealer, and although anglophone, I am bilingual. I would be hard-pressed to interpret her reference to "une information recu" (sorry French keyboard not set up atm) any other way than an actual tip was received. "Recu" = received, as opposed to "decouvert = discovered", "trouve" = "found", "a sorti" = "emerged" , etc....

Perhaps a bilingual francophone could offer a perspective...?

Or just wait for statement from Ian Lafraniere...

Isn't that what I posted? :waitasec: Information "received". Not sure where your confusion is.

I'm fluently bilingual and from Montreal. When I posted that this morning we were trying to find out how they received this information? Tip? From information in his computer? A note sent with one of the earlier body parts? etc etc etc

 

[Sunday]

I am French, my first language, and it could mean that in the notes received in the boxes with the other body parts was something written that the police finally deciphered to be this specific location. I am not convinced that another individual knew where it was from the get go. Why would they wait all this time?

It's hard to say, but they did specify that the "tip was received on Sunday afternoon" which makes it sound like someone informed LE. If they uncovered anything during the normal investigation they would have probably said something like, "following up on a lead or development in the investigation."

Keep in mind that LE often words things to be intentionally vague and/or misleading because they are still gathering information in an ongoing investigation. Giving out accurate details can compromise an investigation.

 

[Sierra20]

I'm another bilingual anglophone who interpreted the statement the same as yourself.

Maybe he blabbed to someone inside prison? Magnotta doesn't seem a very discreet type.

I thought he is in solitary confinement... or he could still get the chance to blab to another prisoner?

 

[pannekoek]

Not sure where your confusion is.

The confusion was here. Tucara only clarified something

 

[~n/t~]

It's hard to say, but they did specify that the "tip was received on Sunday afternoon" which makes it sound like someone informed LE. If they uncovered anything during the normal investigation they would have probably said something like, "following up on a lead or development in the investigation."

Keep in mind that LE often words things to be intentionally vague and/or misleading because they are still gathering information in an ongoing investigation. Giving out accurate details can compromise an investigation.

I haven't seen it where it was specified a "tip was received Sunday afternoon". Do you have a link for that? I'm in and out today because of the holiday and would like to read it later.

Gotta go for now.

 

[Baudi Moovan]

So funny; I literally was just having this debate about 'received' vs 'found' elsewhere. Good stuff

 

[Sierra20]

Knowing how fascinated LM was with the Moor murders...perhaps he had some sort of photo that marked the spot where the head could be found...even if taken without the head in sight. So like the Moor murders it could look like a benign landscape photo or posing benignly in the landscape, yet it was really a reminder of where a trophy was kept. Additionally, if it were photo images that led to finding the head, depending on the devise used it may have date/time stamps on it that fit the timeline of the crime and the dispensing of the parts. The Moor murders took place within rolling grassy hills and a riverbed area. The park would be the closest and most convenient wilderness for LM to mimic this if that was his plan.

I don't agree with all this speculation it was considered a trophy. I think it is totally over-thinking. LM had to dispose of the head somewhere, to him it was something he had to get rid of before he went on the run. IMO

 

[matou]

I don't agree with all this speculation it was considered a trophy. I think it is totally over-thinking. LM had to dispose of the head somewhere, to him it was something he had to get rid of before he went on the run. IMO

But why not just dispose of it with the other garbage with the torso?

 

[Tucarra]

I am French, my first language, and it could mean that in the notes received in the boxes with the other body parts was something written that the police finally deciphered to be this specific location. I am not convinced that another individual knew where it was from the get go. Why would they wait all this time?

Along these same lines...and this may be a wild tangent, but as much of a presumable narcissist as he is, with a penchant for photo, film, drama, and shock.....find it difficult he'd 'relinquish' control to someone else to 'pass along' the message

Is it possible he mailed photos of the scene at the park somewhere ? perhaps time-delayed (to China, Russia, wherever?)....and the recipient then had to assess, interpret, solve , or forward to Montreal LE for interpretation ?

Crazy thinking, but this is crazy case...

 

[pannekoek]

I don't agree with all this speculation it was considered a trophy. I think it is totally over-thinking. LM had to dispose of the head somewhere, to him it was something he had to get rid of before he went on the run. IMO

If that was the fact, then why didnt he leave it with the rest of the 'garbage'
in the alley or just dump it in a garbage container?

 

[Baudi Moovan]

I don't think it was a trophy in the sense that it was something that he would cherish or visit (if he were free to do so). I think the information about the head was the trophy. The fact that he knew, and LE & General Public didn't. I think that's his trophy. Just another way for him to Troll everyone and be a jackass.

 

[katriana]

If that was the fact, then why didnt he leave it with the rest of the 'garbage'
in the alley or just dump it in a garbage container?

i think perhaps he separated the dump sites for identification purposes, to give him time to get out of dodge, so to speak...if the head was found with the torso, it would possibly be identified faster...thus luka would have been possibly captured while still in canada...just my opinion...

 

[Apple OC]

I haven't seen it where it was specified a "tip was received Sunday afternoon". Do you have a link for that? I'm in and out today because of the holiday and would like to read it later.

Gotta go for now.

this news article reported a "tip was received Sunday afternoon"

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/07/01/human-remains-montreal-angrignon-park_n_1641879.html?utm_hp_ref=canada

I do not think the tip came from LRM ... I would not be suprised to see another arrest soon.

 

[pannekoek]

i think perhaps he separated the dump sites for identification purposes, to give him time to get out of dodge, so to speak...if the head was found with the torso, it would possibly be identified faster...thus luka would have been possibly captured while still in canada...just my opinion...

That would have made sence if he hadnt put the kill video online.. IMO

 

[Sierra20]

But why not just dispose of it with the other garbage with the torso?

If that was the fact, then why didnt he leave it with the rest of the 'garbage'
in the alley or just dump it in a garbage container?

I think he was just trying to hide the body parts in order to evade capture and get out of Canada. I tend to think its that simple. Maybe he found it difficult to carry both the torso and the head to the park via the metro, would the head be lighter to carry than the torso? Or its just too heavy to carry both? So he thought he would just dispose of the torso with the garbage, and just take the head to the park...

 

[Mozzmo]

I don't agree with all this speculation it was considered a trophy. I think it is totally over-thinking. LM had to dispose of the head somewhere, to him it was something he had to get rid of before he went on the run. IMO

The head didn't technically have to be a trophy in order for LM to use it in a manner that copied the Moor murders. He knew that authorities would want the head in particular as well as the family. So why not continue the cat/mouse game which is his calling card, and do something with the head that left authorities hunting for it, or gave him a secret card to play at a later date. It's just a theory/possibility. If the head meant nothing to him as you assert, then why not just put it in the trash with the torso? Why go all the way to the park to dispose of it? It meant something different to LM because he treated it different.

 

[otto]

I haven't seen it where it was specified a "tip was received Sunday afternoon". Do you have a link for that? I'm in and out today because of the holiday and would like to read it later.

Gotta go for now.

In the few articles I've read, "information obtained during the investigation of Magnotta led investigators to the Montreal park" on Sunday afternoon. The park was closed and police used dogs to search. They found human remains and sent them for testing.

It would be pretty weird if they had the information a week ago and did nothing about it ... so it's obvious to me that they searched the park immediately after obtaining the information.

 

[otto]

Isn't that what I posted? :waitasec: Information "received". Not sure where your confusion is.

I'm fluently bilingual and from Montreal. When I posted that this morning we were trying to find out how they received this information? Tip? From information in his computer? A note sent with one of the earlier body parts? etc etc etc

Perhaps it should be "information obtained". 'Received' implies that it was delivered to them, 'obtained' implies that they discovered the information during the course of their investigation. By using terms that are obtuse, it's obvious that police do not want media and others interfering with the investigation by attempting to sleuth out the source of their information.

 

[Sigh Sister]

this news article reported a "tip was received Sunday afternoon"

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/07/01/human-remains-montreal-angrignon-park_n_1641879.html?utm_hp_ref=canada

I do not think the tip came from LRM ... I would not be suprised to see another arrest soon.

From your link:

"Montreal's Major Crime Squad cordoned off parts of the Angrignon Park in the city's west end after the discovery was made following a tip on Sunday."