GUILTY Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, British, tortured and murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 *Appeal filed 2023* #5

[Kemug]

Just because B's brother dropped off clothes, etc for him, doesn't mean he saw him. Probably just dropped them at the front desk or whatever.

 

[Dotta]

Ανατροπή βόμβα με το έγκλημα στα Γλυκά Νερά: Τι συνέβη στους γονείς του Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλου, 4 μήνες μετά την δολοφονία | Pressing.gr
Police will know this week all the remaining answers (including phone calls). Why is it taking so long?

 

[tayaway]

Ανατροπή βόμβα με το έγκλημα στα Γλυκά Νερά: Τι συνέβη στους γονείς του Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλου, 4 μήνες μετά την δολοφονία | Pressing.gr
Police will know this week all the remaining answers (including phone calls). Why is it taking so long?

B/c B already confessed, so the case is no longer a priority? Maybe Grk LE are swamped dealing with other cases? ...Maybe they don't have the funding/staffing for tech forensics and have to outsource it?

 

[Dotta]

B/c B already confessed, so the case is no longer a priority? Maybe Grk LE are swamped dealing with other cases? ...Maybe they don't have the funding/staffing for tech forensics and have to outsource it?

Sure - as they say "manana attitude" is healthy.

 

[tayaway]

The Toc Sept 10

It appears that LE are on again about B having an after the fact accomplice?

Authorities appear to be one step closer to handcuffing a man from the very close family environment of the confessed murderer, the unfortunate mother's wife, Babi Anagnostopoulos.

In the last few hours, according to the OnTime newspaper, there is information that an arrest warrant will be issued against him in the coming days , as new facts regarding his involvement in the Freshwater case appear to emerge .

Οι Αρχές φαίνεται πως βρίσκονται ένα βήμα πριν περάσουν χειροπέδες σε άνθρωπο από το πολύ στενό συγγενικό περιβάλλον του καθ’ ομολογίαν δολοφόνου, συζύγου της άτυχης μητέρας, Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλου.

Τις τελευταίες ώρες, σύμφωνα με την εφημερίδα OnTime, υπάρχουν πληροφορίες ότι μέσα στις επόμενες ημέρες θα εκδοθεί εναντίον του ένταλμα σύλληψης, καθώς φαίνεται να προκύπτουν νέα στοιχεία αναφορικά με την εμπλοκή του στην υπόθεση των Γλυκών Νερών.

 

[Dotta]

The Toc Sept 10

It appears that LE are on again about B having an after the fact accomplice?

Authorities appear to be one step closer to handcuffing a man from the very close family environment of the confessed murderer, the unfortunate mother's wife, Babi Anagnostopoulos.

In the last few hours, according to the OnTime newspaper, there is information that an arrest warrant will be issued against him in the coming days , as new facts regarding his involvement in the Freshwater case appear to emerge .

Οι Αρχές φαίνεται πως βρίσκονται ένα βήμα πριν περάσουν χειροπέδες σε άνθρωπο από το πολύ στενό συγγενικό περιβάλλον του καθ’ ομολογίαν δολοφόνου, συζύγου της άτυχης μητέρας, Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλου.

Τις τελευταίες ώρες, σύμφωνα με την εφημερίδα OnTime, υπάρχουν πληροφορίες ότι μέσα στις επόμενες ημέρες θα εκδοθεί εναντίον του ένταλμα σύλληψης, καθώς φαίνεται να προκύπτουν νέα στοιχεία αναφορικά με την εμπλοκή του στην υπόθεση των Γλυκών Νερών.

Hmm... What a shame! Is my intuition failing me? Oh well, Im glad all culprits will get what they deserve. No mercy for the wicked!

 

[Dotta]

They write the accomplice is a person who was called for interrogations 3 times.
It was a brother.
Didnt he stay in C's parents' house to comfort them?
But then, B also hugged Caroline's Mum

 

[tayaway]

They write the accomplice is a person who was called for interrogations 3 times.
It was a brother.
Didnt he stay in C's parents' house to comfort them?
But then, B also hugged Caroline's Mum

Where does it say the accomplice was called in 3 times? Is that in a different article? I've reread this one and can't see it, but then again, I do miss bits.

There is a second Toc article (Aug 21) that links from that one, that does not imply his brother is a suspect. It reads:

Relatives of the confessed spouse killer are constantly called for deposits, in order to determine if the pilot had an accomplice. Among them is his brother , who has already passed the door of GADA three times.

"It makes sense for people from the social environment and the family in particular to testify. It is in the context of the investigative acts and is done by the chief investigator. It does not concern anything else," said Alexandros Papaioannidis, lawyer, speaking on Mega's "Live News" show. of the 33-year-old pre-trial detainee.

Συγγενικά πρόσωπα του καθ’ ομολογίαν συζυγοκτόνου καλούνται συνεχώς για καταθέσεις, προκειμένου να διαπιστωθεί αν ο πιλότος είχε συνεργό. Ανάμεσά τους και ο αδερφός του, ο οποίος έχει περάσει ήδη τρεις φορές την πόρτα της ΓΑΔΑ.

"Είναι λογικό και να καταθέσουν και άτομα του κοινωνικού περιγύρου και του οικογενειακού κυρίως. Είναι στα πλαίσια των ανακριτικών πράξεων και γίνονται από τον κύριο ανακριτή. Δεν αφορά κάτι άλλο" είπε, μιλώντας στην εκπομπή "Live News" του Mega ο Αλέξανδρος Παπαϊωαννίδης, συνήγορος του προφυλακισμένου 33χρονου.

 

[Kemug]

I do hope not the brother. However, it would have to be someone really close to B - if I were in that situation I wouldn't call just any old acquaintance.

 

[Kemug]

BTW, there is absolutely no humour in this case - but I must confess that I can't help a little twitch of the lips every time I read "the unfortunate Caroline". A phrase has been coined.

 

[tayaway]

BTW, there is absolutely no humour in this case - but I must confess that I can't help a little twitch of the lips every time I read "the unfortunate Caroline". A phrase has been coined.

Yes, it reminds me of one of those old Romantic era novels many of us in the western countries, especially Can Am, were assigned to read in high school. Let's say Jane Austen writes the first 2/3 of the book, but then Mary Shelley takes over for the final third. Jane can preach to the choir about how C's worry is how to marry before she hits the ripe old age of 18 and half a fortnight! Shelley can get fantastical with what B imagines is the reanimated corpse voice of C. Of course, we will turn it into a movie, with Scar Jo, infamous non-Asian, playing C's part, while B is of course, played by Jamie Dornan. ...

 

[Dotta]

Yes, it reminds me of one of those old Romantic era novels many of us in the western countries, especially Can Am, were assigned to read in high school. Let's say Jane Austen writes the first 2/3 of the book, but then Mary Shelley takes over for the final third. Jane can preach to the choir about how C's worry is how to marry before she hits the ripe old age of 18 and half a fortnight! Shelley can get fantastical with what B imagines is the reanimated corpse voice of C. Of course, we will turn it into a movie, with Scar Jo, infamous non-Asian, playing C's part, while B is of course, played by Jamie Dornan. ...

Leave Jamie D out of this mess please! Oh wait - he already played a serial killer...

 

[tayaway]

Leave Jamie D out of his mess please! Oh wait - he already played a serial killer...

...and a narcissistic, abusive BDSMer. Plus, as a bonus, he looks like B.

 

[Dotta]

...and a narcissistic, abusive BDSMer. Plus, as a bonus, he looks like B.

He is an actor!!! I was glued to tv watching "The Fall" much to my family's dismay.... hihi

 

[tayaway]

News Bomb Sept 11

The B/C visits with therapist EM are fleshed out. Warning: It's triggering, especially if you've survived a relationship where your partner controlled everything, including whether you're allowed to answer the phone or not.

 

[Dotta]

News Bomb Sept 11

The B/C visits with therapist EM are fleshed out. Warning: It's triggering, especially if you've survived a relationship where your partner controlled everything, including whether you're allowed to answer the phone or not.

Unfortunately my phone only translates the first, introductionary part of this article - well, info I already know by heart.

Ok - I managed to read the whole thing.
Although there is no new info here.
It was so sad.

 

[Estelle]

I read in that article above that the mental health counsellor did advise C properly that C should contact her family, tell them and then arrange to escape without telling B. If only she took that advice. However, C replied that C loved B even though she hated him (his character).

 

[Dotta]

I read in that article above that the mental health counsellor did advise C properly that C should contact her family, tell them and then arrange to escape without telling B. If only she took that advice. However, C replied that C loved B even though she hated him (his character).

Yes, she specifically warned C not to threaten B about leaving and taking the baby with her.
I dont get the issue with the phone - C had a mobile and used it freely. If she wanted to contact the therapist, she could.

 

[tayaway]

Yes, she specifically warned C not to threaten B about leaving and taking the baby with her.
I dont get the issue with the phone - C had a mobile and used it freely. If she wanted to contact the therapist, she could.

B had software on her phone that monitored everything she did on it which was then shown on his phone. There is no way she could call somebody in secret.

 

[Dotta]

B had software on her phone that monitored everything she did on it which was then shown on his phone. There is no way she could call somebody in secret.

Oh Yes, you are right. But C also monitored B. Her friend said they spied on each other through their phones. Oh, well.