Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #2 *ARREST*

[tayaway]

Was there any indication that they were already having problems in the marriage? Other than what the therapist has said? I haven't read anything about what her family has said about the investigation.

Problems? In a fairytale marriage? ...I don't think any of us have heard about what her family may have said in LE interviews.

 

[MsBetsy]

According to reports that are linked in this thread, Caroline didn't want to move to the location where the plot of land is but he bought it anyway. Not a fairytale

Society and media has a lot to answer for but that's for another thread

Do you remember which page this is posted on or at least the name of the article? Did it say why she didn't want to move to that location?

 

[Dotta]

Δικηγόρος ψυχολόγου Καρολάιν: Ο 32χρονος συναίνεσε να μιλήσει στα ΜΜΕ
Therapist - I've got written consent of B

She seems to cover all her bases

 

[Tortoise]

Do you remember which page this is posted on or at least the name of the article? Did it say why she didn't want to move to that location?

Two posts -

Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, May 11, 2021 Thread #2

Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, May 11, 2021 Thread #2

 

[MsBetsy]

Problems? In a fairytale marriage? ...I don't think any of us have heard about what her family may have said in LE interviews.

Yes, that is why I asked. Usually the first couple of years are the happiest, especially after a child is born. I was looking for any indication that there were problems but so far all I have read was that Caroline did not want to live in the location where they were building the home.

 

[tayaway]

She seems to cover all her bases

Except for that whole education, internships, and certification stuff.

 

[Lola68]

Why would you take your wedding off ever, or even sometimes? Here in Australia, that would be quite weird I think.

I know people who don't like to sleep with any jewellery on so remove rings and earrings before bed, so wouldn't necessarily read too much into it except what this particular jewellery symbolised (if they were in fact wedding rings - although why else would B single these rings out from the rest of the jewellery that was taken?) JIMO

 

[Dotta]

Except for that whole education, internships, and certification stuff.

Sure, but only now it all exploded - after how many years I ask?

 

[tayaway]

Sure, but only now it all exploded - after how many years I ask?

She's approximately 60 years old, so... decades?

 

[MsBetsy]

Two posts -

Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, May 11, 2021 Thread #2

Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, May 11, 2021 Thread #2

Thank you. So the journalist said they had different opinions over the plot of land because it was isolated. A little vague but at least it's something. It's hard to tell whether he got the information from LE, a friend, family member, or from Babis himself.

I'm surprised the family has not made any statements.

There was an interview with a woman who claimed to be Caroline's best friend but now I can't find it.

 

[Dotta]

She's approximately 60 years old, so... decades?

Business, politics etc All was well - but will it end well?

 

[tayaway]

Business, politics etc All was well - but will it end well?

No comment!

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Sounds a bit OCD to me.

Do you mean wearing it ALL the time? In bath, while cleaning, sleeping etc??? It is not healthy in my opinion - might damage blood flowing in your finger. Well, I hate wearing any rings haha

 

[Dotta]

Sounds a bit OCD to me.

Do you mean ME? LOL Thanks for a good laugh Do you recommend a therapy? I hope not a hypnosis

 

[everybodhi]

Yes, that is why I asked. Usually the first couple of years are the happiest, especially after a child is born. I was looking for any indication that there were problems but so far all I have read was that Caroline did not want to live in the location where they were building the home.

Eeek. The birth of a child is when the fairytale ends and reality sets in!

“While having a baby is often portrayed as a 'happy ever after' scenario in many romantic stories, the reality of becoming parents can put a huge strain on relationship. New research has found a fifth of couples break up during the 12 months after welcoming their new arrival.”
A fifth of parents break-up in the year after having a baby | GoodtoKnow

This news won’t shock many parents: Having a kid puts a sudden, drastic strain on a marriage, according to new research from the University of Denver.
For 90 percent of couples, marital bliss dives within a year after the birth of their first child.

Couples who were the most romantic before children got the “biggest jolt at baby time”

“Declines are somewhat normal in marriage,” Stanley said. “For those having children, they are going to be more concentrated around the time that you have children.”

Study: Marital bliss plummets after birth of first child

 

[MsBetsy]

I know people who don't like to sleep with any jewellery on so remove rings and earrings before bed, so wouldn't necessarily read too much into it except what this particular jewellery symbolised (if they were in fact wedding rings - although why else would B single these rings out from the rest of the jewellery that was taken?) JIMO

I hope some of the jewelry ends up at a pawn shop and LE can track down who sold it. I wonder if B was able to provide receipts for all the jewelry that was stolen.

 

[everybodhi]

Do you mean ME? LOL Thanks for a good laugh Do you recommend a therapy? I hope not a hypnosis

Well you may be onto something, a very respected and highly trained reiki practitioner told me the body’s energy, or qi, is unbalanced by wearing jewelry.

 

[Dotta]

Well you may be onto something, a very respected and highly trained reiki practitioner told me the body’s energy, or qi, is unbalanced by wearing jewelry.

I dont care about trinkets, wedding rings or any rings - if you want to express love to a husband, you do it by your devotion and loving treatment of him - certainly not by obssessively wearing a band of metal on your body. But everybody can do as she/he wishes. Live and let live is my motto.

 

[Tortoise]

Yes, that is why I asked. Usually the first couple of years are the happiest, especially after a child is born. I was looking for any indication that there were problems but so far all I have read was that Caroline did not want to live in the location where they were building the home.

Caroline apparently had depression, which seems to be being downplayed by her husband, and the woman who provided "treatment". I don't understand her repeated emphasis of Caroline's happiness. I would not describe a person with depression as happy, or place emphasis on it. From personal experience I can say that there is no test that can determine the origins of depression or differentiate between post-natal depression, and depression. I take the remarks of the "psychologist" with a grain of salt, because she thinks it was admirable that the couple attended all the sessions together and did not look behind that, or attempt to treat Caroline as an individual, and she professes to know that a wife always in the company of her husband, who arranged the consultations for her, most probably dependent on him, did not hide anything about her marriage. If Caroline was always smiling that could also be a sign that she masked her feelings.

Caroline was away from her familiar environment and her friends and family, and had reportedly expressed feelings about isolation. Her life had changed completely from teenager at school to being a mum and living in suburbia, and during lockdown with a husband who was out at work. The "psychologist" doesn't appear to have known about her (reported) feelings about the new plot of land.

I don't think the close proximity of the murder to the date the contract for the land was signed should be overlooked. It absolutely could have triggered a crisis point for Caroline feeling trapped, and she had a therapist who had seemingly bonded with her husband, IMO.



The psychologist had described Caroline as "a very happy girl" who was always accompanied to the sessions by her loving husband

She told local media that the couple had "no issues in their relationship."

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"They always came together. Caroline had no girlfriends, her friends were in Alonissos

She wanted my advice because she was a little anxious

Babis was very supportive at all and to continue her studies. They always came together and did not hide anything "

She had told me everything, she was talking about her happiness. She wanted to build her house, to house her happiness.

"Psychologists look behind the smiles and understand what is fake or true. Caroline had no problem, I say with complete certainty. She had no issue in her relationship with her husband."

Ψυχολόγος Καρολάιν: Μόνο τα καλύτερα έχω να πω για το ζευγάρι - Τι μου έλεγε η κοπέλα

• Officers have quizzed psychologist treating Caroline for post-natal depression

Caroline Crouch murder: Police quiz couple's psychologist | Daily Mail Online

 

[TootsieFootsie]

No, not you Dotta.
I meant people who have a ritual of removing their rings and putting them together in a saucer in their living room.

OCD. Obessive Compulsive Disorder. Even more so that both people do it and put the rings on the same saucer. It just seems odd to me.

Do you mean ME? LOL Thanks for a good laugh Do you recommend a therapy? I hope not a hypnosis